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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Dec 04 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks road to Miami has Charlotte speed bump (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:39:25 GMT)
    Another showdown in Miami â?? one that has a chance to be for the early top spot in the Eastern Conference â?? awaits the Knicks. But first they must make a stop Wednesday in Charlotte, where the Bobcats (7-8) already have matched their win total from all of last season.

  • [New York Times] Nets’ Avery Johnson Is Named East Coach of the Month (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:10:05 GMT)
    With a 11-4 record in November, Nets Coach Avery Johnson was selected as the Eastern Conference coach of the month.

  • [New York Times] Story of Knicks’ Success Begins at Home (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 06:39:05 GMT)
    Under Mike Woodson, both as the interim coach last season and as the permanent coach now, the Knicks have gone 18-1 in regular-season games at Madison Square Garden.

  • [New York Times] Davis Helps Magic Outlast Warriors 102-94 (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 06:14:32 GMT)
    Glen Davis and Arron Afflalo scored 24 points apiece, and the Orlando Magic outlasted the Golden State Warriors 102-94 on Monday night for their second straight victory.

  • [New York Times] Lopez Helps Hornets Sting Bucks for Much-Needed Win (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 05:56:26 GMT)
    New Orleans’ Robin Lopez ran off 11 straight points in the third quarter to spark the Hornets to a much needed 102-81 victory over the visiting Milwaukee Bucks on Monday.

  • [New York Times] Griffin Scores 30, Clippers Beat Jazz 105-104 (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 05:23:40 GMT)
    Blake Griffin scored 30 points, Jamal Crawford added 20 off the bench and the Los Angeles Clippers defeated Utah 105-104 on Monday night to hand the Jazz their first loss at home this season.

  • [New York Times] Brewer Leads Nuggets Past Raptors 113-110 (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 04:50:48 GMT)
    Corey Brewer scored 19 points, JaVale McGee had 17 points and five blocks, and the Denver Nuggets withstood a late rally to beat the Toronto Raptors 113-110 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Lopez Helps Hornets Sting Bucks for Much-Needed Win (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:59:27 GMT)
    New Orleans’ Robin Lopez ran off 11 straight points in the third quarter to spark the Hornets to a much needed 102-81 victory over the visiting Milwaukee Bucks on Monday.

  • [New York Times] Hornets Break Out of Slump, Rout Bucks 102-81 (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:53:45 GMT)
    Ryan Anderson scored 22 points, Robin Lopez added 21 and the New Orleans Hornets won for only the second time in 11 games, 102-81 over the Milwaukee Bucks on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Blazers Storm Back to Beat Bobcats 118-112 in OT (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:11:51 GMT)
    LaMarcus Aldridge had 25 points and 13 rebounds, Luke Babbitt hit a pair of clutch 3-pointers and the Portland Trail Blazers overcame an 18-point fourth-quarter deficit to beat the Charlotte Bobcats 118-112 in overtime Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Pistons Beat Cavs 89-79 for 5th Straight Home Win (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:11:47 GMT)
    Brandon Knight scored 17 points, Kyle Singler and Tayshaun Prince had 15 apiece and the Detroit Pistons beat the Cleveland Cavaliers 89-79 on Monday night for their fifth straight home win.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 106, Suns 99: Routine Win for Knicks, Except for Ejection of Rasheed Wallace (Tue, 04 Dec 2012 00:28:50 GMT)
    Another victory for the Knicks, this time against Phoenix, was memorable because they moved to 7-0 at the Garden, but mostly because Rasheed Wallace was ejected after playing only 1 minute 25 seconds.

  • 52 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Dec 04 2012)

    1. Juany8

      I somehow stumbled into tickets for the Rockets-Lakers game tonight! Should be fun trying to see if Kobe is any better at being point-wing than Melo and if Gasol is any better at being a floor spacer than Amar’e. I find it really amusing that the Lakers have basically become last year’s Knicks, there’s even the same “PG who will come in and save the day” hope for both teams. Wonder how Kobe will react to being told he has to stand in the corner and shoot 3′s when Nash comes back

    2. Z-man

      Juany8:
      I somehow stumbled into tickets for the Rockets-Lakers game tonight! Should be fun trying to see if Kobe is any better at being point-wing than Melo and if Gasol is any better at being a floor spacer than Amar’e. I find it really amusing that the Lakers have basically become last year’s Knicks, there’s even the same “PG who will come in and save the day” hope for both teams. Wonder how Kobe will react to being told he has to stand in the corner and shoot 3?s when Nash comes back

      Enjoy, dude!

    3. Z-man

      WoW faves Harden and Lin had a rough first half vs. Lakers at home, Juany, we expect detailed analysis!

    4. Z-man

      Mostly super-strong guys: Howard, Wilt, Ben Wallace, Chris Dudley, etc. Must be that the ball feels like a volleyball to them. Still…

    5. cgreene

      i’d be lying if i said that i wasn’t enjoying watching dantoni screw up the lakers with his dogmatic my way or highway approach and not coaching the players he has. systems dont win. players do. and AND he’s forcing the lakers to trade gasol for $.50 on the $1.00. god bless jimmy buss.

    6. ruruland

      How do you lose to the Rockets, a pretty poor defensive team, when Hadren, Lin and Parsons go 10-54? How do you guve up 21 offensive rebounds when Asik plays 24 minutes and grabs just 4?

    7. Brian Cronin

      Mostly super-strong guys: Howard, Wilt, Ben Wallace, Chris Dudley, etc. Must be that the ball feels like a volleyball to them. Still…

      I guess that’s it. It sure is weird, though, right?

    8. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      ruruland:
      How do you lose to the Rockets, a pretty poor defensive team, when Hadren, Lin and Parsons go 10-54? How do you guve up 21 offensive rebounds when Asik plays 24 minutes and grabs just 4?

      Offensive rebounds don’t matter because they create fast break opportunities for the other team.

    9. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Brian Cronin:
      I really don’t get how you can’t hit a free throw as an NBA player.

      8-16 tonight and 9-21 last game for Howard.

      I hit seven or right in a row the other night and thought to myself, “So I’m better than Dwight Howard at something.”

      Still trying to figure out what I’m better at than ruruland. Definitely not independent, original thoughts, though. That dude has a monopoly on the shit.

    10. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Offensive rebounds don’t matter because they create fast break opportunities for the other team.

      When you truncate an argument that severly, and then have the audacity to question the intellectual integrity of those who you think you’re debating, you lose all respect.

      You know that’s not exactly how the argument went. The idea is that the your strategy in regards to getting back and transition and offensive rebounding is dependent on your personnel.

      How do you argue with how the Spurs and Celtics have played over the years?

    11. lavor postell

      Lin looked like a disaster out there tonight. I mean the Lakers have been volunteering to give up huge nights to opposing point guards. Douglas looked like he was back playing in the first half of 2010-11.

      I know Howard isn’t 100%, Nash isn’t back and they just inserted D’Antoni as the head coach, but this Lakers team is not a championship contender. Athletically they can be exposed particularly now that they are trying to push the tempo a bit more.

      Their biggest problem is depth and just to get a top-4 seed they’ll probably have to play Nash, Kobe, Pau and Howard just 35 mpg+ to get there. Their best bet is still to try and move Gasol to get more athletic and add a bit more shooting offensively, but that will not cure any of their defensive ails.

      Their perimeter defense is atrocious and the penetration simply causes chaos (Kobe’s continued presence on the All-Defense Team is a joke). Howard will not be able to erase all the mistakes when he’s healthy simply by being there. People need to recognize that while Howard is great SVG game planned defensively according to his strength rarely allowing him to play outside of the paint.

      D’Antoni on the other hand we know what his defensive strategy will be; Switch on every pick and roll and rotate without any real rhyme or reason as soon as the ball starts moving.

      To be fair to D’Antoni this roster was going to be a challenge to mold into an effective defensive unit with it’s athletic limitations, but his insistence on an uptempo style will only hinder it, exposing the Lakers to transition opportunities. Sure they can get on a roll because they have such overwhelming top level talent, but their supporting cast’s failures mean their top guns have to play at peak performance against all elite opponents to give the Lakers even a chance to win.

    12. StatsTeacher

      Not only was it one of Lin’s worst games, Parsons + Asik were terrible as well. That’s really the first time I have seen Asik look that bad. Harden was 2-19 I think, at one point. Sampson is an interesting coach, plays it like college. You make a shot you stay in. The only guy immune to gettin’ pulled is Harden, and I actually thought he needed to be at one point, except Parsons was terrible and Delfino was already on the floor. You’d be going to Cook if you take out Harden at that point, and Sampson has his limits. Friday the Rockets are at SAS. Probably gonna be ugly.

    13. ruruland

      StatsTeacher: Not only was it one of Lin’s worst games, Parsons + Asik were terrible as well. That’s really the first time I have seen Asik look that bad. Harden was 2-19 I think, at one point. Sampson is an interesting coach, plays it like college. You make a shot you stay in. The only guy immune to gettin’ pulled is Harden, and I actually thought he needed to be at one point, except Parsons was terrible and Delfino was already on the floor. You’d be going to Cook if you take out Harden at that point, and Sampson has his limits. Friday the Rockets are at SAS. Probably gonna be ugly.

      Even when Harden ican;t make anything anywhere, the Lakers continued to help off their defender on his drives, and he was creating a good amount of their shots.

      Lin did some good things as he does every game, he’s not completely horrible, but you really can’t be a starter in this league if you can’t shoot jump-shots and don’t finish at the rim at a high rate.

      Honestly, who would have imagined that Lin would be among the worst and least efficient scoring guards in the league.

      I’m going to see if there is anyone in the NBA who scores less, at his efficiency range per 36 minutes.

    14. jon abbey

      lavor postell:

      Their biggest problem is depth and just to get a top-4 seed they’ll probably have to play Nash, Kobe, Pau and Howard just 35 mpg+ to get there.

      and this is another terrible fit with D’Antoni in a way, since one of his biggest flaws is overplaying his main guys until they break down.

    15. ruruland

      Another good post by Lavor. I would only add that the Lakers aren’t switching very much, if it all. They are playing straight-up, and teams are taking Howard out of the paint on the pnr.

      They just look like a team that hasn’t spent much time on the second and third rotations (shocker). You can score off them almost every time after the first or second pass.

      But yeah, their perimeter point of attack defense is horrible and will certainly get worse when Nash gets back.

      Kobe’s been an overrated defender for quite some time. Artest is still a good defender, but is prone to getting lost in stagger screens and cuts because he overplays everything.

      of course, the biggest crime in all of this is that MDA refuses to go away from his system with sets that force feed Howard.

      I honestly think the Lakers will be worse than they were last year, even with nash back.

      Why?

      At least Mike Brown was smart enough to feature Howard and Gasol. When you take away Howard’s intentional free throw shots, his usage is way way down, well below what Bynum’s was.

      MDA makes them ancillary players in role where they aren’t all that great, which will ultimately end up in a tug of war between Nash and Kobe.

      I honestly this thing could turn into one of the all-time disasters. They are going to get destroyed by OKC on Friday, and if you’ve followed Kobe the last few years, he really wears down on long road trips — that’s where he really shoots his team out of games.

      They haven’t started playing road games yet.

    16. Juany8

      Guys I have some very important analysis about the Rockets-Lakers game from watching it in person.

      TONEY DOUGLAS DOES WHAT TONEY DOUGLAS MOTHERFUCKING DOES

    17. DRed

      Not sure what’s more shocking: the Wiz beating the Heat, or Toney fucking Douglas sticking it to D’Anotni.

    18. Juany8

      On to a more serious note, I have some observations:

      1. Toney Douglas (I know but still)

      2. Dwight Howard is either still very injured or just stopped giving a shit, his defense was ATROCIOUS tonight. Constantly going for blocks, giving up rebounds left and right, just being lost and out of position. Some of it is MDA and Jamison playing (also a horrendous defender, but he was seriously hustling more)

      3. MDA is a fucking moron. When the Rockets were barely hanging on in the second half, what did the team start doing? Running constant high pick and rolls with Chris freaking Duhon and Kobe in the corner. As a fan of good basketball, I was dumbfounded, although it was nice having it lead to our comeback.

      4. On that note, Kobe Bryant is an incredible offensive player. Until we figure out a proper way to even remotely assess the effect passing has on a team, any talk of efficiency stats and high assists is…. amateurish. That guy just sees the floor on another level, and he hasn’t had a second credible ball handler on that team in years. As Knicks fans should know, sometimes Kobe/Melo going one on one is better than seeing if Fields/Artest can finally hit that open corner 3.
      Not very good at defense though lol.

      5. I’m worried about Asik, it’s not just that he looked bad, he looked totally exhausted and slow. Hope it’s nothing serious, but I don’t think it was simply a bad game.

      6. Lin and Harden… yikes. Delfino and Greg Smith (and of course TDDWTDD) of all people were the stars of the night, Delfino by having a unique brand of shot creation where he basically just shoots with a defender nearby, as opposed to any attempt to get by him. Somehow it works, and I love him, the Knicks should have picked him up instead of Novak for the money (dead serious)

      7. At least the Knicks give the Lakers hope for what comes after MDA

      8. The Hack a player strategy needs to be banned, it’s the worst fucking thing in the world to watch

    19. jon abbey

      Zach Lowe dropping some science on the Faried-lovers earlier today:

      “George Karl is still trying to find a comfort zone with his big-man rotation, but using Faried at center doesn’t appear to be a workable solution. The two most common such lineups have allowed 115.2 and 123.8 points per 100 possessions, respectively, per NBA.com; the Hornets’ league-worst defense has allowed 107.5.

      You can understand what Karl is chasing. Pairing Faried with a center cramps the spacing for Denver’s perimeter players so tightly even Ty Lawson can’t squeeze all the way to the rim, and pairing Faried with a second unreliable defender in JaVale McGee has been a disaster; the Nuggets have allowed 112.2 points per 100 possessions when those two play together. But the Nuggets with Faried as the nominal center just don’t have the size to compete for long stretches. The uncertain big-man rotation is the biggest issue separating Denver from the Western Conference heavies.”

    20. jon abbey

      FWIW, Melo hasn’t had a single shooting game as bad as 3-19 since he had two 3-20s in his 19 year old rookie season. tell us more about how much better Harden is than Melo, or have we given up on that argument already?

    21. Juany8

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400277972

      The Heat choose when they want to play hard, right? LeBron with 43 MP against the Wizards.

      You’re right, Washington won because Bradley Beal, Kevin Seraphin, and Jordan Crawford are studs that can take down any defense.

      The weird thing is that if you’re right, and the Heat simply do just suck as opposed to being in cruise control, suddenly the East doesn’t look as closed off as it was before does it?

    22. DRed

      I know it looks like D’Antoni has done a terrible job, but it also looked like Brown did a terrible job. They’re wildly different as coaches. Maybe the Lakers just aren’t very good? Howard seems like he’s not healthy, Gasol has nagging injuries and their bench is just awful.

    23. Juany8

      jon abbey:
      FWIW, Melo hasn’t had a single shooting game as bad as 3-19 since he had two 3-20s in his 19 year old rookie season. tell us more about how much better Harden is than Melo, or have we given up on that argument already?

      Oh right I forgot, I would really appreciate it if Harden’s super efficiency had translated better, this isn’t the first time where he’s had more turnovers than made field goals during the competitive portions of the game. I still like him and believe he’s worth the contract (as I always believed Melo was) but he is simply not a very good first option. He can run pick and rolls and move off the ball incredibly well, but the Rockets don’t have great spacing or a great roll man, and Harden just sucks at going one on one against a competent defender. He seriously needs a player who can take defensive attention away from him, unfortunately Durant and Westbrook can’t bring their magical ability to create super efficient shooting guards to Houston and Lin…….

      Still, Toney Douglas is obviously a stud so who cares.

    24. Juany8

      DRed:
      I know it looks like D’Antoni has done a terrible job, but it also looked like Brown did a terrible job.They’re wildly different as coaches.Maybe the Lakers just aren’t very good?Howard seems like he’s not healthy, Gasol has nagging injuries and their bench is just awful.

      The problem is they can’t get the players to even try hard on defense. The Lakers have actually been solid defensively according to efficiency, but are a lot like the Knicks last year in that they’re completely undisciplined and very vulnerable to smart adjustments, like Amar’e getting put in a pick and roll every time down the floor last year. Neither Mike Brown or Mike D’Antoni is very good at making those kinds of offensive and defensive adjustments, it’s not like the Lakers were very good last year either. Of course this all needs to wait until all the players are healthy to make any final judgements, nobody would have been excited about the Lakers if they had simply swapped Bynum for a Dwight coming off back surgery right? Pau Gasol might not fight the D’antoni system but is still better than Jamison lol

    25. jon abbey

      it’s crazy how bad the Lakers bench is when you look at how NY and Brooklyn both assembled numerous valuable bench players just this offseason. terrible talent evaluation by Kupchak…

    26. jon abbey

      very tough week coming up, four games in five nights, let’s see how they get through that, especially with some hurting personnel.

    27. iserp

      jon abbey:
      very tough week coming up, four games in five nights, let’s see how they get through that, especially with some hurting personnel.

      The lakers are paying the cost-cutting moves they did the 2 seasons before this one.

    28. d-mar

      Brian Cronin:
      The New Orleans freakin’ PELICANS?!?! Are they for serious?! Well, at least Charlotte will likely get the Hornets name back.

      I saw that, not exactly a name that will inspire fear in other teams.

      “Watch out Hornets opponents, or the Pelicans will scoop you up like so many fish and swallow you whole!”

    29. johnno

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: It might be hand size, though. All those dudes have huge hands

      There’s a cool exhibit at the United Center in Chicago where they have guys’ handprints in basketballs mounted on the wall. You can compare your hand with the hands of numerous NBA players. Shaq’s hands are weird — the palm is humongous and his fingers are relatively short. Scottie Pippen and Dr. J have relatively small palms, but long skinny fingers like tentacles. The one that surprised me the most was Hakeem — he has pretty small hands for a guy his size. Believe it or not, they are only slightly bigger than Muggsy Bogues’s hands.

    30. Frank

      ruruland: The Honorable Cock Jowles: Offensive rebounds don’t matter because they create fast break opportunities for the other team.

      When you truncate an argument that severely, and then have the audacity to question the intellectual integrity of those who you think you’re debating, you lose all respect.

      That’s exactly the problem with arguing with THCJ. He takes the complex and tries to distill it into catchphrases. It’s like talking to Karl Rove.

      ruruland: Kobe’s been an overrated defender for quite some time. Artest is still a good defender.

      What does it tell you when on the most important possession of the game, Artest (a PF by this stage of his career) is guarding the only competent penetration threat? Not sure if it tells you something about Kobe or about MDA. Either way it’s not good. And say what you want about Harden, but he looked like he was shot out of a cannon on that last drive. He was past Artest before Artest even reacted. I didn’t see what the defensive setup looked like behind Artest, but how do you let Harden go to his strong hand so easily there?

      jon abbey: it’s crazy how bad the Lakers bench is when you look at how NY and Brooklyn both assembled numerous valuable bench players just this offseason. terrible talent evaluation by Kupchak…

      +1111111. Huge props to Grunwald and I guess to Billy King also (although I don’t think the Nets are anywhere close to contending).

      And re: Harden – his efficiency isn’t superhuman anymore but it’s still pretty good considering he really has zero help on that team. A TS 56+ on a usage near 30 is still pretty good.

    31. Frank

      And interesting that Harden’s winning play (pass-off to Smith for winning FTs) is completely lost in the boxscore for Harden even though he blew by Artest causing the defense to collapse, creating room for Greg Smith to cut and get fouled.

      And last thing re: Dwight Howard — boy does SVG come out smelling like roses so far. Dwight looks lost (for him) on defense – some of that might be health, but I’m pretty sure scheme has something to do with it — and I’m pretty sure the scheme is not getting much better anytime soon with MDA at the helm. Can’t really blame the other players on the Lakers too — seriously, DH12 was covering for Turkoglu, Quentin Richardson, Redick, Rashard Lewis, etc and dominating in Orlando, and he has at least 3 competent defenders in LA with Pau, Kobe, and Artest.

    32. Juany8

      Frank:
      And interesting that Harden’s winning play (pass-off to Smith for winning FTs) is completely lost in the boxscore for Harden even though he blew by Artest causing the defense to collapse, creating room for Greg Smith to cut and get fouled.

      And last thing re: Dwight Howard — boy does SVG come out smelling like roses so far.Dwight looks lost (for him) on defense – some of that might be health, but I’m pretty sure scheme has something to do with it — and I’m pretty sure the scheme is not getting much better anytime soon with MDA at the helm.Can’t really blame the other players on the Lakers too — seriously, DH12 was covering for Turkoglu, Quentin Richardson, Redick, Rashard Lewis, etc and dominating in Orlando, and he has at least 3 competent defenders in LA with Pau, Kobe, and Artest.

      The year Orlando went to the finals, the starters were Rashard Lweis, Hedo, a rookie Courtney Lee, and Rafer Alston. Not one of those guys was an above average defender. Their bench was better, but Stan Van Gundy just totally outclasses MDA as a coach, I’d love it if Houston would get him, he’d turn Asik into a stud and find some way to get Lin going.

    33. Frank

      Juany8: I’d love it if Houston would get him, he’d turn Asik into a stud and find some way to get Lin going.

      Amazing how Houston goes from the perenially underrated but awesome coach in Adelman to McHale of all people. I would love to see what metrics Morey used to suggest that that would be an upgrade or even a lateral move.

      Re: trading Gasol – who wants that guy? Huge contract x 2 more years. Trade value plummeting. Minnesota? Adelman would love Gasol, but not sure you give up Pekovic to get him. Derrick Williams? There’s no easy 2 team trade there.

    34. jon abbey

      one extreme example in the ongoing offensive rebound debate: the Nets had 16 last night to OKC’s 2, yet still lost at home.

    35. Juany8

      jon abbey:
      one extreme example in the ongoing offensive rebound debate: the Nets had 16 last night to OKC’s 2, yet still lost at home.

      One interesting thing to keep in mind: Even though offensive rebounds are good, they are a symptom that your team is missing shots too. Even if you have good offensive rebounders, I’d rather just make the shot than get an offensive rebound, which is why I’m still sticking to my model that treats an offensive rebound as a way to erase a missed shot.

      Think about it, every time you get an offensive rebound you are making up for a missed shot, the possession is basically being reset and your team is in a similar position to the one they were in before the shot went up. From a team perspective, getting back a missed shot isn’t much different than throwing a bad pass that gets tipped but ends up being recovered by your teammate. Either way you very nearly lost the ball to the other team without scoring, but you didn’t, and so essentially nothing happened to create value

    36. Nick C.

      Juan – more or less, but the benefit of the O-Board vs. the deflection is the (almost always) new 24.

    37. Juany8

      Nick C.:
      Juan – more or less, but the benefit of the O-Board vs. the deflection is the (almost always) new 24.

      That certainly has some extra benefit, and so recovering a miss vs. recovering a deflection could be worth a little bit more, but it’s not drastically different, and there’s also the fact that turnovers are usually easier to score off of than defensive rebounds, so saving the turnover might also mean saving an easy two points the other way. Either way, that kind of value is not consistently applied, how is there not some stat for a player saving a ball by diving out of bounds? That’s a surefire turnover, should we simply give the give who made the bad pass a turnover and then give the guy who hustled and got the ball back credit for “saving” the possession?

    38. Nick C.

      It’s all very complicated and convoluted to parcel out “points” isn’t it? To use Jon Abbey’s “missed shot” conversion. Penetrator who misses gets a missed shot. Screeneer or boxer outer gets nothing. Rebound putback guy gets credit for rebound and made shot.

    39. Juany8

      Nick C.:
      It’s all very complicated and convoluted to parcel out “points” isn’t it? To use Jon Abbey’s “missed shot” conversion. Penetrator who misses gets a missed shot. Screeneer or boxer outer gets nothing. Rebound putback guy gets credit for rebound and made shot.

      Yea that’s the problem with all of this analysis, everything is related to everything else, it’s a massive optimization problem that doesn’t have one easy answer. I do think everything should be tied back to how likely it is to increase your chances of winning, which means I think a good shot that rims out is a better indicator of future success than bad shot that happens to bank in. I would literally ignore the results of the shots and start paying attention to the type of shot occurring.

      The ideal is to either get an uncontested open layup or corner 3, so I would first find players than can improve my chances of getting those types of looks on a team scale. That’s not Novak and Camby, it’s Melo and Kobe (although someone like Chandler plays an important part with his screening. So does Perkins though). Once I find players that can allow be to run an offense that gets good looks, I go out and find players that can finish those good looks. All the open 3′s in the world mean nothing if you have Landry Fields and Chris Duhon shooting them, and Asik has shown me this year that an open path to the rim means very little if your big man can’t freaking catch the ball on the move.

      Still, this isn’t a chicken-egg problem, you very clearly benefit from creating space more so than from good finishers since even Artest will eventually start hitting wide open 3′s, and even Perkins can shoot over 70% at the rim. That’s why the Spurs are so successful, they have players elite at creating space for open looks and can just plug in efficient specialists every year

    40. Hubert Davis

      Frank:
      Re: trading Gasol – who wants that guy? Huge contract x 2 more years. Trade value plummeting.

      I’d trade Amar’e for him all day! And I’m bullish on Stoudemire. But I don’t think his value has plummeted that much, has it?

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