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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Oct 24 2013)

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Melo, Bargnani an eyesore on defense (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 00:21:12 EDT)
    Mike Woodson said earlier this week that he wants to take a longer look at Carmelo Anthony and Andrea Bargnani playing together at power forward and center. Do you think he’s seen enough at this point?Bargnani and Anthony shared the floor for just over 11 minutes on Wednesday when no Knicks center was on the floor. The result wasn’t very pretty. The Knicks were outscored 33-22 in that span in a 105-95 loss to Milwaukee. The Bucks scored roughly three points per minute when Woodson paired Anthony and Bargnani together at power forward and center.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks nepotism? Woodson says JR’s bro has leg up (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 05:37:12 GMT)
    J.R. Smith is more than just a big brother to Chris Smith. He could be his ticket to the NBA. Mike Woodson revealed that Chris Smith’s hopes of earning one of the Knicks’ final roster spots is enhanced by being J.R. Smith’s younger brother.    

  • [New York Times] Clippers Hold Off Jazz for 103-99 Preseason Win (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 05:25:24 GMT)
    Darren Collison scored 14 of his 15 points in the fourth quarter and Blake Griffin had 15 points through the first three periods, helping the Los Angeles Clippers post a 103-99 preseason victory over the Utah Jazz on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Kings Edge Warriors in Preseason (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 04:48:53 GMT)
    Isaiah Thomas scored 21 points to help the Sacramento Kings rally in the fourth quarter and beat the Golden State Warriors 91-90 in a preseason game Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Bulls Beat Thunder in Preseason (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 04:25:23 GMT)
    Derrick Rose shook off poor shooting early to hit clutch shots late and Carlos Boozer had 20 points and 13 rebounds to lead the Chicago Bulls to a 104-95 preseason victory over the Oklahoma City Thunder on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Oden Returns as Heat Best Pelicans, 108-95 (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 04:10:14 GMT)
    For Greg Oden and his Miami Heat teammates, four minutes on an NBA court in a preseason game was cause for celebration.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: N.B.A. Finals Format Tweaked (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 03:49:35 GMT)
    N.B.A. owners unanimously voted Wednesday to scrap the 2-3-2 finals format and return to 2-2-1-1-1, believing the travel inconveniences teams faced 30 years ago no longer exist.    

  • [New York Times] Suns Rally Past Nuggets for 98-79 Win (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 03:43:23 GMT)
    Eric Bledsoe scored 21 points, including eight in the fourth quarter, and the Phoenix Suns pulled away to beat the Denver Nuggets 98-79 in a preseason game Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Mavs Get Preseason Win Over Hawks (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 03:07:02 GMT)
    Dirk Nowitzki scored 17 points, Monta Ellis added 15 and the Dallas Mavericks beat the short-handed Atlanta Hawks 98-88 in a preseason game Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Bucks Hold Off Knicks in Preseason (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 03:00:49 GMT)
    Caron Butler scored 24 points to lead the Milwaukee Bucks to a preseason victory, 105-95 over the Knicks in Green Bay.    

  • [New York Times] Pierce, Ex-Celtic and Current Net, Straddling Two Cities (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 02:37:09 GMT)
    Paul Pierce traveled with the Nets to Boston, his professional home of the previous 15 years, but he didn’t take part in Wednesday’s preseason game.    

  • [New York Times] Celtics Close Preseason With 101-97 Win Over Nets (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 02:01:09 GMT)
    Avery Bradley and Brandon Bass scored 16 points apiece and Vitor Faverani added 15 points and seven rebounds as the Boston Celtics closed out the preseason with a 101-97 victory over the short-handed Brooklyn Nets on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Barea, Love Lead T’wolves Over 76ers, 125-102 (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:42:53 GMT)
    J.J. Barea scored 22 points, Kevin Love added 19 and the Minnesota Timberwolves cruised past the Philadelphia 76ers 125-102 in a preseason game Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Raptors Rout Grizzlies in Preseason (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:36:47 GMT)
    DeMar DeRozan scored 21 points, Rudy Gay had 15 against his former team and the Toronto Raptors beat the Memphis Grizzlies 108-72 on Wednesday night, their fifth straight preseason win.    

  • [New York Times] Wizards Beat Cavaliers in Preseason (Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:27:54 GMT)
    Bradley Beal scored 21 points and Trevor Ariza added 19 as the Washington Wizards erased a 16-point third-quarter deficit before pulling away for a 101-82 preseason victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers on Wednesday night.    

  • 45 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Oct 24 2013)

    1. SeeWhyDee77

      *sits in the corner and rocks back and forth while laughing hysterically*
      Hahahahahaaaaaa!! Chris Smith could possibly make the roster over another big! Hahahahahaaaaaa! I’m a pretty little birdie! Bgok! Bgok! I can fly!!

    2. Owen

      “Melo, Bargnani an eyesore on defense”

      Quite the headline for a preseason game. And I got to say, unbelievable that the ESPN writer is throwing around per possession data so promiscuously.

      I’d love to be a fly on the wall of the executive suite when Andrea Bargnani takes his first turn as the primary interior defender for the Knicks.

    3. Hubert

      Chris Smith making the roster would really be the worst possible harbinger of doom for the next 5-6 years.

    4. Brian Cronin

      It seriously would. Combine that with JR Smith starting over Shump and you got yourself a pretty clear indication of how poorly this team is run.

    5. Brian Cronin

      That said, there’s still too much talent here for even a poorly run team to fuck things up too much, so I still think they win basically the same amount of games as last year. A lot of teams in the East have gotten worse, likely just as many as have gotten better.

    6. Frank

      Owen: Quite the headline for a preseason game. And I got to say, unbelievable that the ESPN writer is throwing around per possession data so promiscuously.

      So-called “Advanced Stats” are really quite mainstream nowadays. I think the statistical and “PPG = $$$” high-horses you and THCJ sit on probably expired about 2 years ago. The only people not talking about per-possession stats (or at least acknowledging their existence and usefulness) are probably Berman, Isola, and Stephen A.

      And re: the defense yesterday — obviously wasn’t great, but I didn’t actually think Bargnani played that badly on D. There were definitely some bad box-outs. But if you look at the shot chart, the Bucks shot 14/26 from mid-long range 2, with many of those (and 3 pointers) highly contested looks by Butler and Gary Neal. In fact, the Bucks only had 23 shots TOTAL in the paint and made only 12 of them.

      The major problem is still ALL THE FOULING. Bucks shot 36 free throws. Tyson Chandler had 6 fouls in 17 minutes. Guys, ESPECIALLY Shump, were getting blown by off the dribble, leading to breakdowns everywhere.

      Speaking of Shump — does it feel like he’s getting beaten much more off the dribble this year? It almost looks like he’s TRYING to let guys by him so he can steal the ball when they gather to shoot.

      Meanwhile, I’m glad that Aldrich got a fair amount of burn. The dude can definitely rebound. I’d still rather keep him than Diogu or Powell.

      And if we keep Chris Smith? SMH. I would actually hope that Stern and Silver tell Dolan that they will consider an investigation into cap circumvention for something like that. The guy obviously is barely a D-league player, much less an NBA player. Chris needs to go to the D-League or Europe and work on his game, then try to make a team without riding his brother’s coattails.

    7. lavor postell

      Frank:

      The major problem is still ALL THE FOULING.Bucks shot 36 free throws. Tyson Chandler had 6 fouls in 17 minutes. Guys, ESPECIALLY Shump, were getting blown by off the dribble, leading to breakdowns everywhere.

      I noticed that Chandler’s incessant bitching even after obvious fouls was in mid-season form yesterday. I’m continuing to believe that he is just not really giving much of an effort right now and conserving his energy for the preseason, but for all the bitching about Melo and Bargs’ lack of any defensive nous, the guy we gave a max contract for his skills on that end of the floor look like they have severely atrophied since the start of 2013.

    8. Frank

      That said – I’d still be pretty surprised if they kept Chris Smith. The guy has barely played in any of the preseason games and he’s been awful every time he plays. What kind of message does that send to the team (and future potential bench-player free agents and undrafted guys) if it becomes perceived that how you play has no bearing on if you make the team? Right now my feeling is that fringe FAs like coming to Knicks after seeing what happened with J-Lin, Novak, and Copeland (all 15th men!).

      I expect the Knicks to cut lil’ JR and then sign him to a D-League contract. That would do “right” by JR (as if they owe him anything!) and give Chris another chance to work on his game.

    9. stratomatic

      My biggest fear right now is that the Knicks may feel in some way committed to playing Bargnani for awhile because he was such a key move in the off season. Of course, the other possibility is that they are crazy enough to think he has value (a 2nd scorer with Melo, the ability to space the floor), and won’t realize how terrible he is in so many things you need from a C or PF.

      The Knicks do need spacing and another scorer, but if it’s coming from a C or PF, he better be a good rebounder, defender, decent shot blocker etc… Plus, it’s not even like Amare where you are trading some of that away because he’s such a monstrously efficient high volume scorer when healthy. Bargs is not even super efficient and you are trading away even more of it.

      The best thing that can happen to NY is for Bargs to get hurt and protect Woodson from himself.

    10. johnno

      Frank: In fact, the Bucks only had 23 shots TOTAL in the paint and made only 12 of them.

      Thanks for pointing this out. Do fast break layups count as shots in the paint? If so, the Bucks made 5 of those, which would mean that they only hit 7 shots in the paint in the half court set. Also, the Bucks’ 4′s and 5′s played a total of 77 minutes last night and scored a total of just 23 points. The problem last night was perimeter defense (the Bucks hit 10 of 16 3′s!), not interior defense. I think that AB is a much better defender than he is given credit for (meaning that he is maybe average as opposed to attrocious). I watched him closely last night and, while he doesn’t exactly move like a cat, he was usually (not ALWAYS, but usually) in pretty good position and did a very good job as a one on one defender. Even though he is a bad (okay, really bad) rebounder, he seems to usually do a good job boxing out. I’m curious if anyone has the stats re: how the Knicks rebounded as a team when AB was on the floor vs. off the floor. The Knicks starters played a total of 124 minutes and had 23 rebounds (including 8 offensive) while the Bucks starters played 143 minutes and had 23 rebounds (only 2 offensive), but this doesn’t take into account who was on the floor with whom. Shumpert and Melo had a lot of rebounds last night. Was that because AB was clearing space?

    11. DRed

      According to a source, Chris Smith, Toure’ Murry and Jeremy Tyler appear to have the inside track on winning the last three jobs. Under that scenario, the three forwards/centers that the Knicks invited to camp, Cole Aldrich, Ike Diogu and Josh Powell, will be released.

      Holy shitsnacks, that would be dumb. Tyler is out for two months. This is a recipe for ‘Andrea Bargnani, backup center’ and that’s a great way to lose a lot of basketball games.

    12. Hubert

      Frank:

      I expect the Knicks to cut lil’ JR and then sign him to a D-League contract. That would do “right” by JR (as if they owe him anything!)

      Isn’t it amazing how CAA seem to have convinced Dolan that JR did him a favor by accepting the highest offer he received in the market two years in a row?

      The guy hasn’t had a second suitor since the Clippers tried to sign him when he came back from China (at least not one that made their interest public), and Jimmy Straight Shot thinks he’s playing here for less money.

    13. Frank

      johnno: Thanks for pointing this out. Do fast break layups count as shots in the paint? If so, the Bucks made 5 of those, which would mean that they only hit 7 shots in the paint in the half court set. Also, the Bucks’ 4?s and 5?s played a total of 77 minutes last night and scored a total of just 23 points.

      To be fair, the reason their paint attempts look so low it probably because of all the fouling.

    14. Hubert

      DRed:

      Holy shitsnacks, that would be dumb.Tyler is out for two months.This is a recipe for ‘Andrea Bargnani, backup center’ and that’s a great way to lose a lot of basketball games.

      We’d still use Martin as the backup center until he gets hurt, and I don’t think Jeremy Tyler, backup center would yield better results than Andrea Bargnani, backup center.

      But yeah, if Cole Aldrich doesn’t make this team, we should all be pretty pissed off.

    15. DRed

      Kenyon has been recovering from an ankle sprain for six months. Six months. He’s not playing more than 40 games, and he’s not really a center to begin with.

    16. lavor postell

      I’m praying Chris Smith tears his ACL again to save the Knicks from themselves. We’ve made an extraordinary amount of stupid personnel moves over the years, but keeping Lil’ Pipe would actually take the cake considering that he has no business sniffing an NBA roster and certainly not one with hopes of being an Eastern Conference contender. Seems like Tyler is getting a spot in spite of his absence due to injury and I’d give the other two to Murry and Aldrich without any hesitation.

    17. ephus

      If Chris Smith is on the Knicks roster for Game 1, do not worry about the Knicks 2015 First Round draft pick, because I fully expect it would be forfeited for violation of the CBA rule against circumvention. Chris Smith was barely a D-I player. He could not hold his own in the D League. He does not belong on an NBA roster.

      PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS STUPID THING.

    18. Hubert

      Let’s just pray this is Woodson doing JR and his agency a favor by making it seem like it was a hard decision to cut this guy so that another team might give him a look.

      That has to be it, right? I’d like to think they are stupid enough to think that might work, but no so stupid to actually let him make the team.

    19. thenamestsam

      It’s not a sentence a Knicks fan gets to say often, but: I really don’t think they’re this dumb. Seriously not only do they not owe JR shit (call me old-fashioned but I feel like the guy who repaid an org. that put a lot of faith in him with night-before-postseason-game-partying and offseason-drugtest-failing might be in the position of ower, not owee) but Lil’ Pipe is not close to making this team on merit. If it was a borderline case, sure, I think they might do JR a solid. But this is not a borderline case.

      Plus it’s just not good business. Even if they somehow didn’t get busted, bending over backwards in this way for a guy as unremarkable as JR is insane. What do they do next year if Melo demands a roster spot for Lala?

      There’s 100 good reasons not to do this and 0 to do it. Even Jimmy Dolan can’t blow this one.

    20. johnno

      Frank: To be fair, the reason their paint attempts look so low it probably because of all the fouling.

      Maybe, but that’s not on Bargnani since he only committed two of them. So, he didn’t give up many points in the paint and he didn’t commit fouls trying to stop points in the paint. Plus, the Bucks’ big guys combined to score at a rate of about 10 points per 36 minutes. What about last night’s bad defense falls on Bargnani? By the way, I don’t think that, overall, the defense was that bad. The Bucks hit a lot of contested jump shots that they wouldn’t normally hit.

    21. er

      johnno: Maybe, but that’s not on Bargnani since he only committed two of them.So, he didn’t give up many points in the paint and he didn’t commit fouls trying to stop points in the paint.Plus, the Bucks’ big guys combined to score at a rate of about 10 points per 36 minutes.What about last night’s bad defense falls on Bargnani?By the way, I don’t think that, overall, the defense was that bad.The Bucks hit a lot of contested jump shots that they wouldn’t normally hit.

      I agree, my man Caron was en fuego all night and Mayo beat shump like a drum repeatedly. It really wasnt bargs

    22. lavor postell

      johnno: Maybe, but that’s not on Bargnani since he only committed two of them.So, he didn’t give up many points in the paint and he didn’t commit fouls trying to stop points in the paint.Plus, the Bucks’ big guys combined to score at a rate of about 10 points per 36 minutes.What about last night’s bad defense falls on Bargnani?By the way, I don’t think that, overall, the defense was that bad.The Bucks hit a lot of contested jump shots that they wouldn’t normally hit.

      Ridnour and Neal also hit a fair share of absurd shots. Neal hit one from like 5 feet beyond the arc.

    23. er

      lavor postell: Ridnour and Neal also hit a fair share of absurd shots.Neal hit one from like 5 feet beyond the arc.

      those four guys: mayo,caron, ridenour and neal were a combined. 29-48 fg and 9-15 from 3

    24. johnno

      ephus: If Chris Smith is on the Knicks roster for Game 1, do not worry about the Knicks 2015 First Round draft pick, because I fully expect it would be forfeited for violation of the CBA rule against circumvention. Chris Smith was barely a D-I player. He could not hold his own in the D League. He does not belong on an NBA roster.
      PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS STUPID THING.

      Since you are a lawyer, I am sure that you realize that giving Chris Smith a roster spot is not the dumbest thing that they can do. What would be even dumber would be to give him a roster spot so that he’s on the team to start the season and, under the unique terms of his deal, his salary would be immediately guaranteed for the year. Then, after he’s guaranteed a cool $500K, cut him next week and give the roster spot to someone who deserves it. Now THAT would be a cut and dried case of circumvention.

    25. ephus

      johnno: Since you are a lawyer, I am sure that you realize that giving Chris Smith a roster spot is not the dumbest thing that they can do.What would be even dumber would be to give him a roster spot so that he’s on the team to start the season and, under the unique terms of his deal, his salary would be immediately guaranteed for the year.Then, after he’s guaranteed a cool $500K, cut him next week and give the roster spot to someone who deserves it.Now THAT would be a cut and dried case of circumvention.

      +1

      I am just conspiratorial enough to wonder whether this scenario is related to the puzzling dismissal of Glen Grunwald.

    26. Frank

      you have to think that Stern and Silver would tell Dolan off the record that they would investigate this as cap circumvention. the last thing Stern wants as his career comes to an end is to penalize one of the marquee franchises over Chris Smith of all people. And my feeling is that this is not a precedent that Stern wants to allow. Lots of NBA players have brothers that play basketball – would be ridiculous if everyone’s kid brothers started getting valuable roster spots. One would think the player’s association would be against it too. The last thing they want would be guys totally undeserving of NBA roster spots to push out veterans trying to hang in the league.

    27. ephus

      To steal a Bill Simmons’ neologism, Dolan has entered the “Tyson Zone” where I no longer will be surprised by anything that he does.

      So, while I agree that Stern and Silver may have told Dolan off the record that they would investigate a contract to Chris Smith as cap circumvention, I do not credit Dolan with the intelligence to understand or comply with such a warning.

      I really hope the Knicks do not do this stupid thing and are talking up Chris Smith only to help him sign on with a European/Chinese team when he is cut.

    28. Brian Cronin

      Remember, Dolan tried to re-hire Isiah!! So yeah, I think he is this dumb. Then again, maybe Steve Mills’ expertise in advanced stats say that Half Pipe (I know Lil’ Pipe had the inside track on his nickname, but someone said Half Pipe and I think that that is the better choice) is really good.

      I can’t believe how invested I am in a 15th man not making the team.

    29. stratomatic

      At the risk of sounding racist, it appears that Dolan has an affinity for people that are the product of a bad environment and rough upbringing.

      Most rational coaches, GMs, owners etc… value intelligence, emotional stability, maturity, good social skills, etc… and all else being equal try to avoid the opposite.

      They want the Grant Hills of the black community.

      Dolan has been attracted to guys like Marbury, Isiah, JR Smith and his brother, MWP, Kenyon Martin etc… The more unstable, immature, the longer the rap sheet, the greater the drug use, and the worse the overall reputation the more he likes them.

    30. Hubert

      I think you’re imagining that. For one thing, JR Smith had a pretty straightforward upbringing and most people project a false history on him based on his appearance. Besides that, I reckon the two Knicks he has the most affinity for are Herb Williams and Allan Houston, neither of whom fit the bill.

    31. stratomatic

      Hubert:
      I think you’re imagining that.For one thing, JR Smith had a pretty straightforward upbringing and most people project a false history on him based on his appearance.Besides that, I reckon the two Knicks he has the most affinity for are Herb Williams and Allan Houston, neither of whom fit the bill.

      OK, so perhaps JR’s upbringing didn’t contribute to his emotional instability, immaturity, drug use, attitude, and rap sheet. He turned out that way on his own. lol But he’s still on the Knicks behaving like a moron after a history of such behavior and was rewarded with another contract.

      I have to admit, Allan Houston is an exception, but clearly Dolan is attracted to troubled individuals otherwise he would have cut a number of these guys loose LONG ago.

    32. KnickfaninNJ

      I’m not sure what you say is true, but if it was, I wouldn’t hold it against Dolan that he gives first or second chances to people that have difficult backgrounds or history. In the list of people you cited, at least half of them seem to have been good hires.

    33. BigBlueAL

      Keeping Chris Smith would be dumber than any move Isiah ever made as Knicks GM. Thats how freaking awful a move it would be.

    34. Brian Cronin

      Keeping Chris Smith would be dumber than any move Isiah ever made as Knicks GM. Thats how freaking awful a move it would be.

      I wouldn’t go that far at all. It is a very, very dumb move and moreover, the issue is that it speaks to a general dysfunction about the team as a whole, but just as a single move, how could it possibly be dumber than the Curry trade?

    35. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin: I wouldn’t go that far at all. It is a very, very dumb move and moreover, the issue is that it speaks to a general dysfunction about the team as a whole, but just as a single move, how could it possibly be dumber than the Curry trade?

      As a single move it is relatively meaningless because we are talking about the 15th man but as you mentioned it would speak horribly about management and the way the team is being run.

      Isiah made stupid moves but hell even he wasnt dumb enough to keep a brother of a player on the team (not even the best player mind you) who shouldnt even be on an NBDL roster. Its one thing to keep Herb Williams and David Wingate around to keep Ewing happy, its another thing to keep JR Smith’s awful younger brother on the roster.

    36. Brian Cronin

      But JR Smith took a pay cut to stay a Knick!

      What’s that? He didn’t take a pay cut at all?

      Okay, then but JR Smith hangs out with James Dolan!

    37. ephus

      Brian Cronin: I wouldn’t go that far at all. It is a very, very dumb move and moreover, the issue is that it speaks to a general dysfunction about the team as a whole, but just as a single move, how could it possibly be dumber than the Curry trade?

      Because the Eddy Curry trade, as horrible as it was, did not lead to the imposition of sanctions on the Knicks (other than having Eddy Curry). If the Knicks sign Chris Smith, I would expect:

      1. The current GM to be suspended for a year;
      2. The Knicks to pay a multi-million fine;
      3. The JR Smith contract to be voided;
      4. The Chris Smith contract to be voided; and
      5. The Knicks to forfeit their 2015 First Round Pick.

      With Eddy Curry, there was at least a possible upside. Eddy Curry, if he kept his head on straight, could have been a bigger Al Jefferson. But there is no upside to signing Chris Smith, only pain.

    38. BigBlueAL

      Im trying to stay optimistic that Mills knows what he is doing and wont be a disaster. Keeping Chris Smith will end any sense of optimism I have lol.

    39. Brian Cronin

      Because the Eddy Curry trade, as horrible as it was, did not lead to the imposition of sanctions on the Knicks (other than having Eddy Curry). If the Knicks sign Chris Smith, I would expect:

      1. The current GM to be suspended for a year;
      2. The Knicks to pay a multi-million fine;
      3. The JR Smith contract to be voided;
      4. The Chris Smith contract to be voided; and
      5. The Knicks to forfeit their 2015 First Round Pick.

      With Eddy Curry, there was at least a possible upside. Eddy Curry, if he kept his head on straight, could have been a bigger Al Jefferson. But there is no upside to signing Chris Smith, only pain.

      I know you keep banging that drum, but the fact that not a single story has been written out there about the league having issue with Chris Smith making the team despite the plentiful articles out there about Woody saying Chris Smith has a very good chance of making the team suggests to me that the league just doesn’t care about this issue.

    40. Brian Cronin

      Hell, Chris Herring just wrote an article quoting former GM John Nash saying that taking the brother of another player is a normal strategy for teams.

      http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304682504579153892512399708

      “That absolutely happens,” said John Nash, a former Nets and 76ers general manager. “Players might ask a team to sign his brother. And sometimes agents, when they have a big-name player looking to sign somewhere, will ask a team to take one of his lower-level clients.”

    41. ephus

      Just because John Nash said it does not make it true. In fact, there have only been five brother combos who have played for the same team in NBA history, and it has never been close to an attempt to pay the better brother more by bringing in the less talented brother.

      1. Tyler & Ben Hansbrough – brief time together on the Pacers.
      2. Dominique and Gerald Wilkins – both at the end of their career with Orlando
      3. Brent & Mark Price – one season in DC when both were late in career.
      4. Dick & Tom Van Arsdale – Pre-Salary cap.
      5. Marcus & Markieff Morris – Both still on rookie deals.

      http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/284227-nba-brothers-who-played-on-same-team

      It is certainly true that players often have a buddy who fills the end of the bench. But in none of those cases is their history of the “star” having been the financial support for the scrub. JR Smith has supported Chris Smith – including paying his way to Louisville so that he could give up his scholarship to bring in another player. Every dollar that Chris Smith gets is a dollar that JR Smith does not have to pay to support him.

    42. Brian Cronin

      But again, no one seems to care. If Chris Smith hadn’t played college ball, then yeah, they’d be all over this, but if the Knicks can make a prima facie case that Chris Smith can play professional basketball (and him being on the Knicks Summer League squad in multiple seasons would do that), I don’t think the league will get involved. I’ll ask Herring what he thinks, though.

    43. ephus

      And, to be clear, the Knicks gave JR Smith the maximum deal that they could under the CBA. Because the only had Early Bird Rights to JR Smith, they could not give him more than the MLE. The Early Bird Rights meant that they did not have to use the MLE to give that contract. But they could not have increased his per year salary by $1.

      Getting $500k to JR Smith’s little brother (who belonged nowhere near an NBA team) absolutely would look like circumvention.

    44. KnickfaninNJ

      I don’t think the league will do anything about it, even though hiring a relative of a player definitely can be a classic case of circumvention. The reason is that the rule is designed to prevent teams from getting a competitive advantage. If you hire someone’s wife to be a secretary at a huge salary, you are clearly able to pay more than you should have been able to and it’s hard to make an argument that it was anything else. In this case, since roster spots are precious, the Knicks can argue that Woody’s job is on the line based on how the Knicks do this year so he his decisions are surely basketball based. And who knows, maybe JR actually behaves better and works harder when he knows his little brother is watching. If that’s the case, it might even be worth hiring Chris Smith.

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