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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Oct 04 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] ‘Sheed: I came back to win it all (Thu, 04 Oct 2012 04:15:26 GMT)
    James Dolan has no use for Larry Brown, who lasted only one season in the Garden and made off with close to $20 million of Dolan’s money in a settlement. But Rasheed Wallace still has a soft spot in his heart for his former Detroit Pistons coach.

  • 17 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Oct 04 2012)

    1. Jafa

      Sheed – if you really came back to win it all, you probably joined the wrong team. Did Miami, OKC, Boston, San Antonio and LA not return your phone calls?

    2. thenamestsam

      Las Vegas Hilton became the first casino to post their regular season win totals, and they do not seem fond of the Knicks. If 55 is a worst case scenario (as Ruru has argued for example) there is a lot of free money out there for anyone who wants to drive to Vegas.

      OKC/Miami 60.5
      Lakers 59.5
      Spurs 55.5
      Pacers/Celts 51.5
      Nuggets 49.5
      Grizz/Clips 48.5
      Sixers/Bulls 47.5
      Knicks/Mavs 45.5

      So basically tied for the 12th best team in the league, and 6th in the East. Vegas is usually pretty damn good.

    3. H20

      Jafa:
      Sheed – if you really came back to win it all, you probably joined the wrong team.Did Miami, OKC, Boston, San Antonio and LA not return your phone calls?

      According to Sheeds interview yesterday Woodson called him up and invited him to come in for a workout since they were on the Det championship team. Last year the Lakers tried to sign him but the deal fell through, I believe its a non guranteed contract so he will be fighting Copeland,Sims,Shurna and Bellefield for the last two roster spots.

    4. jon abbey

      thenamestsam:
      Las Vegas Hilton became the first casino to post their regular season win totals, and they do not seem fond of the Knicks. If 55 is a worst case scenario (as Ruru has argued for example) there is a lot of free money out there for anyone who wants to drive to Vegas.

      OKC/Miami 60.5
      Lakers 59.5
      Spurs 55.5
      Pacers/Celts 51.5
      Nuggets 49.5
      Grizz/Clips 48.5
      Sixers/Bulls 47.5
      Knicks/Mavs 45.5

      So basically tied for the 12th best team in the league, and 6th in the East. Vegas is usually pretty damn good.

      now ruru knows an easy way to get rich at least. :)

      I’d put NY’s a bit higher, maybe 48, but as I keep saying, it remains to be seen how these pieces fit together.

    5. flossy

      I continue to be mystified as to why people think the Pacers are so good. The Knicks have issues, but is there any position where we’re not better? SG, maybe? But a core of Hibbert, West, Granger, George and DJ Augustine really doesn’t scare me, and we owned them last year. I predict they come back to earth this season.

    6. d-mar

      flossy:
      I continue to be mystified as to why people think the Pacers are so good.The Knicks have issues, but is there any position where we’re not better?SG, maybe?But a core of Hibbert, West, Granger, George and DJ Augustine really doesn’t scare me, and we owned them last year.I predict they come back to earth this season.

      Agreed, they were everyone’s darling last year for putting a scare into the Heat but losing Collison definitely sets them back.

      Also, the Bulls at 47.5? I guess they’re assuming they can tread water until Rose comes back, but they lost a lot of pieces this offseason, and could find themselves well under .500 before he returns.

    7. er

      Well theres this also: http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/

      Odds to win the 2012-13 NBA Championship
      Team Odds
      Los Angeles Lakers 11/5
      Miami Heat 9/4
      Oklahoma City Thunder 9/2
      Chicago Bulls 10/1
      San Antonio Spurs 12/1
      Boston Celtics 20/1
      Indiana Pacers 25/1
      Los Angeles Clippers 30/1
      Memphis Grizzlies 30/1
      New York Knicks 30/1
      Philadelphia 76ers 30/1
      Denver Nuggets 40/1
      Dallas Mavericks 40/1
      Brooklyn Nets 40/1

    8. er

      i am mystified by the love for the bulls around the nba

      they lose asik, watson, Brewer and rose for most of the year and people still think they will be good

    9. H20

      flossy:
      I continue to be mystified as to why people think the Pacers are so good.The Knicks have issues, but is there any position where we’re not better?SG, maybe?But a core of Hibbert, West, Granger, George and DJ Augustine really doesn’t scare me, and we owned them last year.I predict they come back to earth this season.

      Same feeling here, they got lucky with the Bosh Injury so they looked like the “Heat killas” because they stole 2 games from them. Im still waiting for them to trade Granger to let paul george become the sf.

    10. Juany8

      Actually the easiest money seems to be at the very top. Miami seems to care less about the regular season this year, yet they’re supposed to do better than ever? How the hell is OKC supposed to get to 61 wins after the West noticeably improved this offseason (pretty much every playoff team from last year has improved, while teams like Minnesota and Golden State are pretty intriguing as challengers? New Orleans should also be more of a challenge this year after being the worst team in the west a year ago. I think expecting the Knicks to get more than 46 wins is a pretty good bet, although with so many injury prone and old players, the Knicks certainly have alot of questions going forward.

    11. Brian Cronin

      Actually the easiest money seems to be at the very top. Miami seems to care less about the regular season this year, yet they’re supposed to do better than ever? How the hell is OKC supposed to get to 61 wins after the West noticeably improved this offseason (pretty much every playoff team from last year has improved, while teams like Minnesota and Golden State are pretty intriguing as challengers? New Orleans should also be more of a challenge this year after being the worst team in the west a year ago. I think expecting the Knicks to get more than 46 wins is a pretty good bet, although with so many injury prone and old players, the Knicks certainly have alot of questions going forward.

      Yeah, I think Vegas is doing a fair job weighing all the possible question marks about the Knicks this season. However, I agree that that they seem like a good bet to beat that figure.

    12. ruruland

      thenamestsam: Las Vegas Hilton became the first casino to post their regular season win totals, and they do not seem fond of the Knicks. If 55 is a worst case scenario (as Ruru has argued for example) there is a lot of free money out there for anyone who wants to drive to Vegas.OKC/Miami 60.5Lakers 59.5Spurs 55.5Pacers/Celts 51.5Nuggets 49.5Grizz/Clips 48.5Sixers/Bulls 47.5Knicks/Mavs 45.5So basically tied for the 12th best team in the league, and 6th in the East. Vegas is usually pretty damn good.

      That’s not what I’ve argued.

    13. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      39 wins for the Timberwolves? God I would take that bet. I would put big money on them winning 40.

    14. mokers

      I’ve always thought Vegas did better with individual game lines than their season predictions, especially when guessing point totals. They also make a lot of their predictions based on what they think the betting is going to be like, not necessarily how good the teams are. Besides, these are just starting odds and they will move as the betting comes starts.

    15. JoMo

      If you check out today’s Kurt Thomas interview on knicksnow.com at the 1:55 mark you’ll notice a dude with a serious flat-top throwing down a 2-handed dunk. I tore my ACL back in the day, and I would say he is ahead of schedule. Very promising, although I hope his impatience doesn’t cause a set-back.

      I’m not a big NFL guy anymore, but I’m hearing word that Adrien Peterson is getting back to form to start the year, but I’m curious to hear if his lateral quickness and ability to cut is still noticeable intact. Any word on that from any of you’s?

    16. daJudge

      ‘Why I would bet the over with Vegas.’ I’m kind of bad with stats, which probably offends some of you guys. But I have been looking at point differential since I was a boy—a long, long time ago. I don’t look at it in the NFL at all (see, NY Giants) for many reasons. So, the Knicks were plus 3 last year, the heat were plus 6 (lower case intended annoyingly—sorry, I know I’m better than that). Chi Town, plus 8—tops. I think our boyos can knock 2 points off on defense with this squad if Stat simply plays average strategic defense and hears our coach. Even w/o Shump, we can knock the number down through sheer effort by two points over 82. Next, we should be able to add a point to our offensive numbers if our Ones play up to their level, which means to me, simply competently, w/o injury. I am not asking for more. We did not have competent point guards for most of the year—please, no argument. With competent point guards, we have more than enough fire power to score an extra point per game, particularly with the same coach all year and a real camp. The three stinking points makes a huge difference and should yield 50 wins. I’m in on the over and like most of you, I’m never wrong.

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