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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Oct 03 2013)

  • [New York Times] Kidd’s Task: Show Stars the Rewards of Resting (Thu, 03 Oct 2013 02:39:16 GMT)
    Nets Coach Jason Kidd will draw from his experience as a player when he juggles the minutes of veterans like Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce.    

  • [New York Times] Chandler Seeking Progress With a Few Steps Back (Thu, 03 Oct 2013 02:27:33 GMT)
    Tyson Chandler was beat up at the end of last season’s N.B.A. playoffs for the Knicks, but he used the off-season to rest, bulk up and work on his midrange shooting.    

  • [New York Daily News] Bondy: Knicks to again lean on defense (Thu, 03 Oct 2013 02:46:52 GMT)
    Tyson Chandler stayed late on the practice court in Greenburgh to practice mid-range jumpers on Wednesday, hoping to add a weapon to his offensive arsenal and thereby avoid remaining just another Knick specialist.    

  • 17 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Oct 03 2013)

    1. SeeWhyDee77

      I don’t wanna jump the gun..but if Tyson can keep his mobility at 253 and knock down at least 55-60% of his midrange shots..maaaan listen- this team is gonna be no less than a second seed. Provided that everyone stays healthy. We could potentially run 10 deep and have 2 really good offensive players matched with 3 good defensive players at all times on the court. That’s the kind of balance coaches dream of. Chandler-Bargnani-Melo-Shumpert-Felton..then Kmart-STAT-MWP-JR-Prigioni..with possibly Aldrich and definitely Udrih filling in often. Everyone keeps talking about a Felton-Prigioni backcourt, and rightfully so- they did really well together last season. But a Prigioni-Udrih pairing really intrigues me. We’ve got a lot to look forward to with this roster. Our most valuable players could get lots of rest this season if the substitutions work out. Theoretically, we’ve got guys who can play well enough to be out there for more than just a few minutes at a time. Of course Woodson would need to do a helluva job coaching and selling the players on their roles. And a few guys would really have to buy in and see the potential in this roster. But that all probably falls second in line to health. Good luck training staff..we may need every last drop of your expertise.

    2. ephus

      If Tyson Chandler makes himself a catch & shoot scoring threat from the foul line, elbow and short wing, he will really open up the Knicks offense. For the last two years, teams have been able to sag off of TC when he was at the foul line or short baseline. That has made it more difficult for penetrating Knicks to get all the way to the rim. It has also meant that TC picked up a lot of offensive fouls when he caught the ball outside of the lane, because opponents knew he was taking the ball all the way to the rim and set up to draw the charge. I literally cannot recall any team ever closing out hard on TC.

      But it seems unlikely that TC is going to animate his jump shooting. According to Hoopdata (http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Tyson%20Chandler), Chandler has taken 8 or fewer shots per year from 10 – 15 feet every year since 2009. TC has not attempted more than .8 shots/game from 3-9 feet since 2009 either.

    3. d-mar

      I don’t care if Chandler attempts zero jump shots this season, I just want him to be 100% healthy come playoff time. I’m so tired of the flu, the neck, the weight loss, etc. I would think if we face the Pacers again in the playoffs, Tyson would be HIGHLY motivated after Hibbert treated him like a traffic cone last year.

    4. massive

      Yeah, Tyson doesn’t really need a jumper or anything like that. He only needs to maintain his health over the course of an 82 game season.

      I honestly see no reason for anyone on this team not named Hardaway, Leslie, or Shumpert to work on their games. We stay healthy and we win a championship. I believe that 1000%.

    5. DRed

      We were 3rd in the NBA in offensive efficiency last season. I don’t think Tyson’s inability to hit a jumper was the problem. Now, his inability to get to the playoffs healthy-that’s a problem.

    6. Frank

      Owen:
      “knock down at least 55-60% of his midrange shots”

      No one in the NBA hits at that rate. Carmelo is below 45%. League average on midrange shots is less than 40%. The top midrange shooter with over 350 attempts in the NBA last year was Luke Ridnour, who hit 49% of his shots, according to Goldsberry.

      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/68456/the-2012-13-courtvision-awards-the-best-shooters

      Those stats are highly misleading. What do you think Dirk or Durant would shoot on midrange shots if they were left as wide open as Tyson is?

      He just has to hit often enough that opposing bigs feel like they should respect him, which will pull bigs away from the basket and presumably make life easier on others. I’m not sure what the break point is for that is, but even if he hits 45% on 2-3 shots/game, I’d be ecstatic.

    7. ephus

      If Tyson Chandler starts taking around 2 or 3 uncontested midrange jumpers per game, and makes more than 33% of them, he will no longer be unguarded at the free throw line or in the short baseline. The Knicks offense will be more efficient if Tyson Chandler is perceived as a threat to do things other than (1) dive on the PNR, (2) convert the alley-oop, and (3) grab (or tap out) offensive rebounds. This is true even though the Knicks had one of the best offensive efficiency scores last year.

    8. DRed

      How much more efficient will the offense be? Will Tyson miss out on offense rebounds or lob attempts because he’s loitering at the free throw line looking to take inefficient jumpers?

    9. ruruland

      DRed:
      How much more efficient will the offense be?Will Tyson miss out on offense rebounds or lob attempts because he’s loitering at the free throw line looking to take inefficient jumpers?

      Vast majority of lob attempts come on pnr and I don’t think he turns into pick and pop guy now.

      But I there is definitely validity to the off.rebound position vs making open mid-range shots.

      Randolph, Noah, Cousins, Camby, Love even Hibbert dominate the offensive glass and hit open jumpers.

      So I think we’re basically looking at two distinct events.

    10. thenamestsam

      I really can’t see Tyson shooting 55% on 2-3 midrange shots a game. That would make him one of the better midrange shooters in the league…not going to happen. But if he can make even 45 or 50% of the ones where he’s completely unguarded, even 1 every night or every couple of nights, teams will start to guard him there after a while and that would be am positive step for the offense. Specifically while the offense was obviously really good in the regular season we did see that teams were able to gum it up in the postseason. Granted those were very good defensive teams we faced but if you look at teams who struggle offensively in the playoffs it seems to me they tend to be teams with a lack of diversity in their offense.

      A little more range from Tyson even if it’s more of a threat than something he uses often would help alleviate those concerns.

    11. Owen

      Ibaka converted 49% this year. And that made him one of the very best midrange shooters in the NBA. And that was on limited attempts. Curry, Durant, Dirk? None of them converted at 50%+. And league average ts% is well above that.

      It’s the least efficient shot in basketball. I have come to appreciate the fact that you can’t run an NBA offense without it. You also can’t stay healthy trying to take every shot in the paint.

      But I think mid-range shooting remains very overrated in general, perhaps a relic of how the game was once played.

      I don’t think Tyson’s ability to hit the midrange jumper matters at all. Now Carmelo’s ability, that’s another story….

      Frank: Those stats are highly misleading. What do you think Dirk or Durant would shoot on midrange shots if they were left as wide open as Tyson is?

      He just has to hit often enough that opposing bigs feel like they should respect him, which will pull bigs away from the basket and presumably make life easier on others. I’m not sure what the break point is for that is, but even if he hits 45% on 2-3 shots/game, I’d be ecstatic.

    12. SeeWhyDee77

      Owen: “knock down at least 55-60% of his midrange shots”

      No one in the NBA hits at that rate. Carmelo is below 45%. League average on midrange shots is less than 40%. The top midrange shooter with over 350 attempts in the NBA last year was Luke Ridnour, who hit 49% of his shots, according to Goldsberry.

      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/68456/the-2012-13-courtvision-awards-the-best-shooters

      Right..I realize that. I’m sorry, I should have went more into detail. I was thinkin if he took 2 or 3 of those shots a game and converted at that rate since he’s normally open out there. My bad.

    13. Frank

      Owen: Ibaka converted 49% this year. And that made him one of the very best midrange shooters in the NBA. And that was on limited attempts. Curry, Durant, Dirk? None of them converted at 50%+. And league average ts% is well above that.

      You completely missed the point of my post which was:

      Frank: What do you think Dirk or Durant would shoot on midrange shots if they were left as wide open as Tyson is?

      I feel pretty comfortable guaranteeing you that if you give Dirk, Durant, or Steph Curry time to set their feet and 8 feet of space (which is what people give Tyson), they’ll shoot upwards of 65-70% from 15-18 feet. Or higher. The reason those great shooters don’t shoot a higher percentage from there is because they’re guarded tightly or are shooting in a non-optimal situation (ie. off the dribble, with hands in their face, etc.). Standstill jump shot from 18 with no one around? That’s automatic for a very good shooter.

      No one is saying Tyson is going to be a shooter like those guys. But left wide open? I should hope he could/should hit 45% of those, which might be / probably is a better percentage than a Carmelo pull-up in isolation. And as soon as Roy Hibbert needs to come out and guard Tyson, he’s not standing under the hoop to block or challenge everyone’s shot.

    14. ephus

      Frank: No one is saying Tyson is going to be a shooter like those guys. But left wide open? I should hope he could/should hit 45% of those, which might be / probably is a better percentage than a Carmelo pull-up in isolation. And as soon as Roy Hibbert needs to come out and guard Tyson, he’s not standing under the hoop to block or challenge everyone’s shot.

      +1

      If Tyson Chandler can make himself a threat from 9 – 15 feet, he helps to open up the lane for others.

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