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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Nov 15 2012)

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Woodson high on hot-shot J.R. (Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:49:59 -0500)
    SAN ANTONIO â?? Knicks coach Mike Woodson vowed last season to make J.R. Smith “more professional” and a better player and better person. Mission accomplished.
    Woodson said Smith is surging in all areas. Last spring, Woodson got on Smith about wearing his “sagging” jeans â?? a hip-hop look in which his…

  • [New York Post] Against Spurs, Knicks can find out if they’re really championship worthy (Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:13:23 -0500)
    SAN ANTONIO â?? Are the Knicks for real? Tune in Thursday night to find out. Coach Mike Woodson would like more evidence his scorching team is serious about snapping the franchise’s 40-year championship drought.
    It’s showdown time in Alamo City as the NBA’s lone unbeaten team, the 5-0…

  • [New York Post] Grunwald glad D’Antoni landed Lakers’ job (Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:03:16 -0500)
    SAN ANTONIO â?? Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald, who rarely speaks to the media, made an exception when it came to his friend, Mike D’Antoni, the Lakers’ new coach.
    When asked about the Lakers hiring, Grunwald beamed.
    “Everybody’s a winner,” he told The Post.
    D’Antoni, who is expected…

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks face toughest challenge so far this season in Spurs (Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:17:04 EST)
    The Knicks, like most teams, are trying to match the Spurs' level of consistent success. But the Knicks are in the building process and would settle right now for beating the Spurs Thursday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Undefeated Knicks face Texas showdown (Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:15:17 GMT)
    Undefeated, but largely untested: That’s the Knicks through five games, and that’s exactly why Mike Woodson wants to see how his team stacks up against the one with the second-best record in the NBA.

  • 37 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Nov 15 2012)

    1. Z-man

      This is a great measuring stick game. Even Miami could accept a road defeat to the Spurs as one of their 20-25 losses on the year, so I wouldn’t be that upset with a competitive loss. You could argue that we caught Miami with their pants down and that none of the wins after that were vs. especially impressive opponents. We need to be in this game in the fourth quarter; an end-to-end blowout loss could throw a lot of cold water on things, although having a veteran team would help put it in the rear view mirror should it happen.

      I’d be happy with a split of these two games, estatic about a sweep, and disappointed with but accepting of two competitive losses. No blowouts, please.

    2. Juany8

      I’m still sticking with my assessment that Miami is just not trying that hard on defense right now, Lebron seems happy to average a near triple double and jack up 3’s right now but he’s not playing the monster defense that made him the clear cut best player in the playoffs. I don’t think any of this should worry Miami, I really don’t see why they’d care about anything besides making the playoffs, but it does mean that they are very, VERY vulnerable to strong pick and roll big men, and kick outs from the post. Of course nobody scores in the post against them, they double instantly, and any smart post up player will quickly pass and a dumb one will take a terrible shot. Still, everyone is killing them inside, and that includes the Knicks with Tyson Chandler. The first game was not a fluke or a Miami shrug off at all, that’s simply how they play in the regular season right now.

      Miami’s wins in the last 2 round of the playoffs came against Perkins and Garnett at centers. Now Garnett is a fine defensive player, but a jump shooter on offense and he won’t roll all that hard when playing the pick and roll. The less said about Perkins’ offense the better. There is a chance Miami overestimated how well it’s defense and rebounding would hold up against legit big men combos who could hurt them inside, especially since Lebron is being a bigger baby than Melo and refusing to guard PF’s (that’s a joke, why would he not save his body for when it matters?)

    3. JC Knickfan

      @1
      Concur –

      2 win = psyched will become believer that this team is top 2 seed.
      1-1 = Satisfied
      0-2 (close loses) = Look at minor adjustment
      0-2 (8pt more loses) = Look at big adjustment

    4. njasdjdh

      For those on this board who keep stating that MIA is not trying on defense (From before last night’s game):

      “The dirty little secret is that the Heat’s starting lineup has been terrific defensively. According to NBA.com/stats, the starting lineup of Wade, James, Battier, Mario Chalmers and Chris Bosh has held opponents to 94.0 points per 100 possessions in 104 minutes of playing time. For reference, the Knicks lead the NBA in defensive efficiency at 93.6 points per 100 possessions. Moreover, as Couper Moorhead of HEAT.com pointed out recently, Battier has been scored on once in the 11 post-ups that he has defended.

      The starting lineup has not been the problem. If we’re going to diagnose the ills of the Heat’s defense so far, you have to look at the bench. More specifically, you have to look at [Ray Allen.]”

      http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/15814/diagnosing-miamis

    5. Juany8

      njasdjdh:
      For those on this board who keep stating that MIA is not trying on defense (From before last night’s game):

      “The dirty little secret is that the Heat’s starting lineup has been terrific defensively. According to NBA.com/stats, the starting lineup of Wade, James, Battier, Mario Chalmers and Chris Bosh has held opponents to 94.0 points per 100 possessions in 104 minutes of playing time. For reference, the Knicks lead the NBA in defensive efficiency at 93.6 points per 100 possessions. Moreover, as Couper Moorhead of HEAT.com pointed out recently, Battier has been scored on once in the 11 post-ups that he has defended.

      The starting lineup has not been the problem. If we’re going to diagnose the ills of the Heat’s defense so far, you have to look at the bench. More specifically, you have to look at [Ray Allen.]”

      http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/15814/diagnosing-miamis

      They’re like 27th in the league overall. So Ray Allen is destroying the defense by himself? And he’s playing so many minutes that the Heat defense plummets to Pistons levels overall? Boston was number 1 overall in defense last year and I seem to recall Ray Allen playing a bit for them. Oh and if the Heat ARE really trying on D, that is a fantastic sign! It means the Heat have no chance of repeating unless Lebron plays 45 minutes a game full throttle and they have favorable matchups throughout the playoffs again. The Knicks are NOT a favorable matchup for the Heat by the way, and I would not be the least bit surprised to see another blowout during the regular season series

    6. Juany8

      I don’t get why people are trying to defend the Heat’s effort level by the way. The last 4 teams to make 2 Finals in a row had a significantly worse regular season the third year. MJ’s first Bulls 3-peat had a 57 win 3rd year after averaging 64 the 2 years prior. MJ’s second 3-peat had a third year record of 62 after averaging 70(!!!) wins the previous 2 seasons. The Shaq and Kobe Lakers started earlier, after winning 67 the first year they averaged 57 wins the next 2 years, only to follow that by losing 5 games over the playoffs, including a 15-1 record their 56 win season. The Kobe-Gasol Lakers started late their first year (trade was mid season), and so only won 57, but they followed it up with 65 wins the next season.. followed by 57 again, which still netted them a championship.

      Now keep in mind that the Heat haven’t actually won 60 games in a season yet. Every other team that has recently made 3 finals had a huge drop the third year from their peak, and Miami’s peak wasn’t as high as those other teams. They’re simply not going to be that impressive during the regular season, and anyone who takes that as an indication of how they’ll do in the playoffs simply hasn’t payed much attention to history being a defending champion is like being spotted a free +5 point differential per game for the season in terms of predicting the outcome of the playoffs

    7. Brian Cronin

      All I know about the Heat is what I’ve gathered from watching them play in four games this year. In all four of them they looked like they were half-assing it most of the game. Perhaps that’s not accurate, but it sure looks that way and the game results sure bear it out, as well.

      And yes, I expect them to dominate when the playoffs come around, but regular season-wise, they don’t seem like they’ll be a dominant team. They’ll likely still do enough to get the #1 seed, but the Knicks can hopefully make that interesting.

      Meanwhile, the Bobcats’ run for home court in the first round of the playoffs will be the other big story of this season, I am sure. ;)

    8. njasdjdh

      Juany8: They’re like 27th in the league overall. So Ray Allen is destroying the defense by himself? And he’s playing so many minutes that the Heat defense plummets to Pistons levels overall? Boston was number 1 overall in defense last year and I seem to recall Ray Allen playing a bit for them. Oh and if the Heat ARE really trying on D, that is a fantastic sign! It means the Heat have no chance of repeating unless Lebron plays 45 minutes a game full throttle and they have favorable matchups throughout the playoffs again. The Knicks are NOT a favorable matchup for the Heat by the way, and I would not be the least bit surprised to see another blowout during the regular season series

      You’re missing the point. Through the games before yesterday, the units with Allen on the court were, in fact, that bad. The article goes on to explain that there are clear reasons why this may be the case, namely, Allen is learning a new defensive system while playing on a bad ankle.

    9. johnlocke

      Color me unimpressed by the Spurs’ 7-1 start. If this were a home game, I’d favor us to win, since it’s on the road, I think we have a good shot of winning. The Spurs have only blown out won team so far (the lowly 3-6 Pacers w/o Granger and with their highest scorer having 15 points). They lost by 22 points to the Clippers…and besides the Pacers have only beat two other teams by double digits- the Kings and Utah). Of their 7 wins, only 1 was against a .500+ team (OKC by 2 points). I think Memphis will be a tougher test…

    10. Juany8

      njasdjdh: You’re missing the point. Through the games before yesterday, the units with Allen on the court were, in fact, that bad. The article goes on to explain that there are clear reasons why this may be the case, namely, Allen is learning a new defensive system while playing on a bad ankle.

      I agree that factually, the Ray Allen units are that bad. I just don’t think subbing Chalmers for Ray Allen would cripple the Heat’s defense unless the other players weren’t playing as hard either, it’s not like he was the only player out there and he’s been a part of some very impressive defenses in recent years. There is simply no way 1 guard makes that much of a difference on the defensive end, and if he did it would most likely mean he wasn’t trying to play defense at all. It would be one thing if the Heat defense fell apart only when Lebron was off the floor, but some of the Heat’s worse defensive units still have him playing.

    11. johnlocke

      The Heat play an aggressive trapping, helping, closing out defense. If one cog is off, it throws the entire system off. We’ll have our own little experiment on that point, once Amare re-joins the lineup.

      Juany8: I agree that factually, the Ray Allen units are that bad. I just don’t think subbing Chalmers for Ray Allen would cripple the Heat’s defense unless the other players weren’t playing as hard either, it’s not like he was the only player out there and he’s been a part of some very impressive defenses in recent years. There is simply no way 1 guard makes that much of a difference on the defensive end, and if he did it would most likely mean he wasn’t trying to play defense at all. It would be one thing if the Heat defense fell apart only when Lebron was off the floor, but some of the Heat’s worse defensive units still have him playing.

    12. Juany8

      So while looking up some lineups data, I came across an interesting fact. Miami’s second most used lineup this season is Cole-Wade-Allen-Lewis-Haslem. D-Wade, who has been injured, is the only starter present. That lineup, Miami’s second most used after the starting lineup, has a defensive efficiency of 90 points per possession, which is BETTER than the Heat’s starting lineup, and they have the exact same offensive rating. Ray Allen is part of Miami’s best defensive lineup that has played more than 10 minutes together this season, and it’s the lineup with all the worst defenders out there. I don’t think he’s been the problem…

    13. JC Knickfan

      @14
      Miami played 9 games beside Knicks game just wondering how many of their games have you watch to make any assessment on their effort?
      Are any player visible dogging it on defense.

    14. Juany8

      I watched the Celtics game, Knicks game, Rockets game, and good chunks of the Clippers and Grizzlies game. Now the players are actually not outright dogging it, but they’re not playing at anywhere near the level they were at in the playoffs. This applies to most teams but Miami’s problem was that they NEEDED that level of effort and jumping around the court to be a good defensive team. They have no natural interior defense, everything comes from Wade and Lebron crashing the paint and being able to get back to shooters. Simply put, they aren’t doing that. It’s not like watching Amar’e stand there on defense, more like watching a team go through an intense practice where the players simply aren’t motivated enough to run around like demons.

      Lebron has made lazy rotations quite often, and Wade is simply not getting back in transition… like at all. It’s not glaring holes, just little things like the defense being inconsistent about trapping pick and rolls and Lebron sticking to guarding crappy small forwards on the perimeter instead of taking over for Battier against someone like Griffin or Randolph. Nothing happening right now is a red flag in the playoffs, other than perhaps the weakness to good roll men (Hello Tyson Chandler!) On the other hand, if Allen and Wade can’t get healthy by then, they aren’t going to be the clear cut favorites everyone assumed before the season.

    15. chrisk06811

      johnlocke:
      …and four of our five wins have been against +500 teams (injuries or no injuries)…

      I hate when someone mentions we are playing teams w/ injuries. We are playing without 2 of our top 6 guys, and played 2 games without camby. we are as banged up as anyone else is.

    16. kng94

      I think these two games are gonna be the true test of Melo’s defensive dedication. He can match most decent PFs but when he has to go against monsters like Tim Duncan or Zach Randolph, we’ll see how he fares against their size. There’s always Tyson but when they face multiple big men like Gasol-Randolph, Melo’s gonna need to really put his effort into it.

    17. jon abbey

      I think we lose a close one tonight and a less close one tomorrow and go home 5-2, still a very nice start. a split in these games would really impress me.

    18. johnlocke

      My prediction, is that we win our first game by single digits tonight…but then run out of gas in Memphis tomorrow. 6-1 to start.

      jon abbey:
      I think we lose a close one tonight and a less close one tomorrow and go home 5-2, still a very nice start. a split in these games would really impress me.

    19. JC Knickfan

      Let see how Woody does rotation tonight – we got enough people on bench to warrant less minutes for starter. Way too early in season for deep veteran to run out of gas on back to back.

      Big thing I definitely paying attention too is if Melo will guarding Duncan and how he does.

    20. EB

      According to Basketball Reference we have played the 8th toughest schedule (obviously it is a small sample) but before the last game we had played the 2nd toughest for a time. The first was the 76ers namely because they had played us twice. So maybe the teams aren’t good but they have been winning games.

    21. yellowboy90

      kng94:
      I think these two games are gonna be the true test of Melo’s defensive dedication. He can match most decent PFs but when he has to go against monsters like Tim Duncan or Zach Randolph, we’ll see how he fares against their size. There’s always Tyson but when they face multiple big men like Gasol-Randolph, Melo’s gonna need to really put his effort into it.

      I think Tyson would take Duncan and Melo will take Diaw. Against Memphis I wouldn’t mind seeing Thomas or Wallace start at the 4 and then Melo rotate back to the 4 when Speights comes in.

    22. johnlocke

      Our former starting 2 guard – stats:
      21% shooting from the field, 0% shooting from three, and 67% from the line and a whopping 3 rebounds per game in 21 minutes.

      I knew it was a good idea to not match him….but WOW. Our overall backcourt has had a SERIOUS upgrade from last year.

    23. johnlocke

      Lin is doing a little bit better than Fields wrt shooting: 35% from the field, 28% from three, 90% from the line on 10.9 ppg….still early but interesting

    24. Shad0wF0x

      Hey guys. Gonna sleep soon since I have work tonight. What radio station broadcasts Knicks games (So I can listen to it while I drive)?

    25. Nick C.

      johnlocke:
      Our former starting 2 guard – stats:
      21% shooting from the field, 0% shooting from three, and 67% from the line and a whopping 3 rebounds per game in 21 minutes.

      I knew it was a good idea to not match him….but WOW. Our overall backcourt has had a SERIOUS upgrade from last year.

      The former 2 guard is either hurt, DNP-CD or not even being on the active roster for the past week.

    26. Juany8

      johnlocke:
      Our former starting 2 guard – stats:
      21% shooting from the field, 0% shooting from three, and 67% from the line and a whopping 3 rebounds per game in 21 minutes.

      I knew it was a good idea to not match him….but WOW. Our overall backcourt has had a SERIOUS upgrade from last year.

      You forgot about Bill Walker!!! Lol….

    27. johnlocke

      LOL. That explains the shooting numbers?

      Nick C.: The former 2 guard is either hurt, DNP-CD or not even being on the active roster for the past week.

    28. johnlocke

      No I didn’t I erased his memory from record: along with DWTDD & Eddie Extra Curry Please

      Juany8: You forgot about Bill Walker!!! Lol….

    29. Nick C.

      johnlocke:
      LOL. That explains the shooting numbers?

      I just looked he underwent ulnar nerve transposition surgery yesterday. It sure seems like most of last years roster has dropped off the face of the NBA map. Bibby, Davis, Walker, while guys like Jorts and Jefferies are 13-15th men (as is the great Earl Barron).

    30. BigBlueAL

      I think the NBA should suspend Zach Randolph for tomorrow night’s game for his apparent post-game altercation with Perkins last night :-)

    31. Juany8

      Nick C.: I just looked he underwent ulnar nerve transposition surgery yesterday. It sure seems like most of last years roster has dropped off the face of the NBA map. Bibby, Davis, Walker, while guys like Jorts and Jefferies are 13-15th men (as is the great Earl Barron).

      Somehow Toney Douglas has managed to remain a backup point guard after being the worst out of all those players last year. Him and Fields are the only castoffs getting serious minutes, and they have somehow been worse than last year. Brewer and Prigs have been such massive upgrades that it doesn’t seem real that the Knicks got them for nothing. A 35 year old rookie and a veteran who retired 2 years ago (and was washed up for 4) have been giving the Knicks productive minutes this season. If Grunwald doesn’t win exec of the year (unless Houston makes the playoffs behind Harden and Lin) then this year is a total farce

    32. nicos

      johnlocke:
      The Heat play an aggressive trapping, helping, closing out defense. If one cog is off, it throws the entire system off.We’ll have our own little experiment on that point, once Amare re-joins the lineup.

      Well, we’re already conducting that experiment with Novak whose rotations have been every bit as bad as Amar’e’s have ever been- and at least Amar’e bumbles his way into a blocked shot and grabs a rebound every now and then. Novak’s man defense (like Amar’e’s) is actually okay but as a helper he’s nonexistent.

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