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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Nov 08 2012)

  • [New York Times] Foye, Jazz Drop Lakers to 1-4 Start (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:04:16 GMT)
    Before their game Wednesday, Los Angeles Lakers coach Mike Brown remarked how easily Kobe Bryant had been scoring and in so many different ways.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Crushed by Clippers in First Loss of Season (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 07:52:04 GMT)
    Four-time NBA champions San Antonio Spurs crashed to their first defeat of the season as the Los Angeles Clippers dazzled with high-flying dunks and tight defense on the way to a crushing 106-84 win on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Send Spurs to 1st Loss, 106-84 (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 07:13:23 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Clippers played with a chip on their shoulder, coming out amped up at the prospect of exacting a little revenge on the San Antonio Spurs.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Outlast Undermanned Cavs, 106-96 (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 07:07:17 GMT)
    David Lee logged 38 more minutes than he thought he would Wednesday night after constantly vomiting and fighting a fever, dizziness and dehydration â?? “just about anything you can think of,” he said â?? from all the fluids lost.

  • [New York Times] Cousins Helps Kings Beat Winless Pistons 105-103 (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 06:10:31 GMT)
    DeMarcus Cousins had 21 points and 11 rebounds to help the Sacramento Kings hold off the winless Detroit Pistons for a 105-103 victory Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat 103, Nets 73: Miami Heat Routs the Nets (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 05:59:14 GMT)
    LeBron James had 20 points, 12 rebounds and 8 assists in just 30 minutes as the Heat handed the Nets their worst loss of the season.

  • [New York Times] After Their Fast Start, Knicks Have Plenty of Idle Time (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 05:57:17 GMT)
    The Knicks are 3-0 for the first time since 1999, but over the next 10 days, the team will be resting and practicing far more often than playing games.

  • [New York Times] Heat Scorch Nets in 30-Point Win (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 05:22:00 GMT)
    The defending NBA champion Miami Heat blew away their second successive opponent in a 103-73 rout over Brooklyn on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Sixers Hold Hornets to Franchise Low in 77-62 Win (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 05:04:39 GMT)
    Jrue Holiday and the Philadelphia 76ers figured they deserved a tongue-lashing from coach Doug Collins after a sloppy, turnover-filled first half against undermanned New Orleans.

  • [New York Times] Mayo, Kaman Lead Mavericks Past Raptors 109-104 (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 04:49:37 GMT)
    O.J. Mayo and Chris Kaman each scored 22 points as the short-handed Dallas Mavericks won their third straight game, beating the Toronto Raptors 109-104 Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Wade, James Lift Heat Past Nets, 103-73 (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 04:40:10 GMT)
    In 25 seasons of Miami Heat basketball, the club had never won its first four home games of any season.

  • [New York Times] Randolph Leads Grizzlies to 108-90 Win Over Bucks (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 04:01:41 GMT)
    Zach Randolph had 18 points and 13 rebounds, and the Memphis Grizzlies shot 53 percent from the floor in a 108-90 victory over the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Bass and Garnett Help Celtics Over Wizards in OT (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 04:01:34 GMT)
    Brandon Bass scored five straight points in overtime, helping the Boston Celtics pull out a 100-94 win over the Washington Wizards on the back end of a home-and-home Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Slow Harden in 93-87 Win Over Rockets (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 03:55:48 GMT)
    Ty Lawson scored 21 points and Kenneth Faried had 16 points and 16 rebounds to help the Denver Nuggets to a 93-87 victory over the Houston Rockets on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat Scorch Nets in 30-Point Win (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 03:42:58 GMT)
    The defending NBA champion Miami Heat blew away their second successive opponent in a 103-73 rout over Brooklyn on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Balanced Wolves Drill Magic, 90-75 (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 03:31:33 GMT)
    Luke Ridnour had 19 points and five rebounds, and Greg Stiemsma got the rout started with six straight points to end the third quarter in a 90-75 victory over the Orlando Magic on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Korver, Hawks Rally Late to Beat Pacers, 89-86 (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 03:13:47 GMT)
    Kyle Korver scored eight straight points in a late 18-0 run for Atlanta and the Hawks, who trailed by 14 points early in the fourth quarter, beat the Indiana Pacers 89-86 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Brown’s 3-Pointers Lift Suns Over Bobcats 117-110 (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 03:07:35 GMT)
    Shannon Brown hit six 3-pointers in the fourth quarter and finished with 24 points to lead the Phoenix Suns over the Charlotte Bobcats 117-110 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Kidd’s departure not so Mav-elou (Thu, 08 Nov 2012 01:24:20 GMT)
    Jason Kidd didn’t help his case for having his No. 2 retired by the Mavs when he broke an agreement he had with the team to re-sign last summer, only to change his mind and decide to come to the Knicks.

  • 32 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Nov 08 2012)

    1. njasdjdh

      ruru,

      Continuing the discussion from the previous post, I watched DEN-HOU last night and while I agree with some of what you said, I also felt that the refs let a lot of contact go in the basket area, which lead to weird finishes/missed shots by guys on both sides.

    2. njasdjdh

      This is obviously entirely subjective, but a week into the season it seems like the NBA’s emphasis on stopping the flop has extended into refs just generally making less foul calls. Not sure if I’m alone in seeing/thinking this.

    3. Juany8

      njasdjdh:
      This is obviously entirely subjective, but a week into the season it seems like the NBA’s emphasis on stopping the flop has extended into refs just generally making less foul calls. Not sure if I’m alone in seeing/thinking this.

      I’d agree with this, at least as it pertains to last night’s game, when Harden wasn’t getting calls he’s been used to getting (partly because his go to move to get fouled is basically an extended rip through that the refs aren’t consistently buying anymore) As long as it’s consistent I actually kind of like it, the games are more physical and fun to watch, you don’t see teams like OKC and Miami just getting paraded to the line for any slight breeze from the opposition.

    4. JC Knickfan

      I watch QT of that game offense ugly watch for both teams.
      Houston shot 23 FT and Denver shot 21 so call seem be about even but Ref letting too much slide. There was slow-mo replay on one Harden drive and Lawson reach, miss the ball, got his forearm and did rip motion. I can’t believe they didn’t call that.

      Honestly watching 3 games Knicks I don’t remember allow this much contact. I say all official should be consistent with calls not one crew allows more contact and next game a different crew doesn’t. Ref should not altering gameplay from game to game.
      We already had Tim Donaghy incident so I hope official have consistently review process.

    5. Frank

      RE: the Lakers – I think they’ll eventually be fine, especially by playoff time, but they could easily fall to a 5-8 seed with their bench playing like it is. Look at the +/-s for the bench last night:

      http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400277782

      that bench basically averaged a -1 per minute. That’s just unsustainable. And other than the Detroit blowout (in which their bench got extended minutes and was basically a wash in terms of +/-), the only bench player with any positive +/- in any game is Steve Blake in the Clippers game with a +3 in 28 minutes. Every other Laker bench player has had a (-) number in every single game. Just horrible.

      In the playoffs, Nash/Kobe/Pau/Howard can play 35-40 minutes/game and so that effect will be blunted, but still – even 10 minutes of bench play could lead to a game-swinging advantage, and I’m not sure that that starting 5 is really going to be good enough defensively to build enough of a lead that their bench won’t give up. I’m sure I’ll eat my words in May and June but I’d be pretty worried in Lakerland.

    6. Juany8

      Frank, this can all be fixed pretty easily if Mike Brown is actually willing to coach properly and staggers lineups so that the bench isn’t out there playing big minutes. Miami never had a problem with lack of depth because they always had one of Wade or Lebron in the game dominating the offense. It shouldn’t be hard to get Nash minutes with some of the bench players to get them going while Kobe and Pau can run a lot of the offense when they are in the game. Dwight Howard could also be out there with some bench heavy units to keep up a solid defense while mostly just throwing the ball to him in the post. Of course without Nash, you’re going to have significant minutes where Steve Blake is the best ball handler in the game, and that’s just unacceptable. When you only have 4 good players you need all 4 to play well, just look at the Heat without Bosh last year.

    7. thenamestsam

      Juany,

      I think you’re right that Mike Brown has to be better with his rotations. Even when Nash was healthy there were times when he had 3 of his big 4 on the bench simultaneously. That doesn’t make much sense.

      However, I think it’s worth pointing out that Miami actually did have a problem with a lack of depth two years ago. I will forever believe that part of Lebron’s issues in those finals was being ridden too hard in the previous rounds. Not all of it maybe, but I do think that pure exhaustion was a big part of it. That team had serious depth issues. Chalmers wasn’t nearly the player he is now, and Bibby, Eddie House, broken Udonis Haslem, and broken Mike Miller were all important pieces. They were able to mitigate those issues enough to make it to the finals, but it did catch up with them eventually.

      My point is that Frank and others seem to be comfortable with the assumption that come playoff time they’ll just throw all those guys out their for 40+ a night and that will cure all their bench issues. I’m not sure you can realistically play them that many minutes for a month straight and still expect them to be going strong by the end of it.

    8. johnno

      Juany8: It shouldn’t be hard to get Nash minutes

      I think that everyone is downplaying Nash’s injury way too much. He has a fracture in his leg. Fractures, no matter how small, don’t heal in a week — especially since it’s in his leg, which means that he can’t possibly avoid putting stress on it. If he comes back too soon, he will be in constant pain and will run the risk of getting more seriously hurt. If he is out for any extended period of time, their point guard situation is pretty horrible. It is going to be interesting to watch.

      On another note, it is pretty funny for me to hear my nine year-old daughter saying, in her deepest voice possible, “Wanna play a li’l bit Rasheed? Wanna play some? Les go.”

    9. massive

      Mike Brown won’t be around for the playoffs. They are going to fire him for the team’s terrible start.

    10. Z-man

      First 10-15 games of a season where lots of new players are trying to mesh and players are coming off injury don’t mean much. Once Nash comes back, the Lakers will be fine. Not a lock for the finals, but certainly a contender.

    11. massive

      The LA Lakers’ problem is not offense; they have the 7th O-Rating in the league. The defense is 25th in the league, and that’s why they’re losing games. Mike Brown and Dwight Howard are known for their defensive acumen, so it appears that the early season struggles fall on them.

    12. Frank

      Best indication so far that box score stats are not super-comprehensive – Melo has a career low assist #s so far (by a lot), but I think it’s fair to say he’s never moved and passed the ball more or better.

    13. Kurt

      Great point Frank. In fact, I think there might even be a causal relationship. Someone should check this on Synergy, but I believe a good portion of Melo’s assists came after he was dribbling/holding the ball, and was serving as playmaker.
      Since “hockey assists” aren’t counted, he’s numerically lower on assists than he was when dominating the ball, even though he’s moving the ball better. Perfect example: even if Melo’s assist numbers are down, the percentage of assisted baskets are WAY up.

    14. Kurt

      In fact, i wish there was a stat for percentage of assisted baskets by a team when particular players are on the floor (if there isn’t one already).

    15. Juany8

      Kurt:
      In fact, i wish there was a stat for percentage of assisted baskets by a team when particular players are on the floor (if there isn’t one already).

      After the preseason, Morey came out and said that Scott Machado had led the preseason in Assists per Field goal Made and some other kind of assists. I think these kinds of stats DO exist (wouldn’t be super hard to track how many times a player gets doubled for instance) they’re just not public and unfortunately sites like hoopdata and 82games don’t keep track of things like hockey assists. Maybe as those new cameras become more prevalent it’ll help shed some light on new analytical ways to evaluate defense and offense.

    16. KnickFanInCelticLand

      johnno: I think that everyone is downplaying Nash’s injury way too much.He has a fracture in his leg.Fractures, no matter how small, don’t heal in a week — especially since it’s in his leg, which means that he can’t possibly avoid putting stress on it.If he comes back too soon, he will be in constant pain and will run the risk of getting more seriously hurt.If he is out for any extended period of time, their point guard situation is pretty horrible.It is going to be interesting to watch.

      The fibula is a non-weightbearing bone (al weight forces transmitted through Tibia). Its major importance is stability forming the outside of a normal functioning ankle joint. According to the media report I heard, it is a non-displaced fracture at the other end of the bone (near the knee). He will probably wear some kind of shield over the injured area until it heals to prevent further blows that could displace the two pieces. The only way this injury is being downplayed is if imaging and the physician missed another injury.

    17. johnno

      KnickFanInCelticLand: The fibula is a non-weightbearing bone (al weight forces transmitted through Tibia). Its major importance is stability forming the outside of a normal functioning ankle joint. According to the media report I heard, it is a non-displaced fracture at the other end of the bone (near the knee).

      Just because it is non-weight bearing doesn’t mean it doesn’t get stressed when you cut, turn, jump, etc., even if it is nowhere near the ankle. I might be wrong, but I will be very surprised if he is totally unaffected by it when he plays next week.

    18. Juany8

      I’m starting to realize that the Knicks could win their next 2-3 games by the same margin and they’ll still continue to be treated like a laughingstock. Everyone agrees that this level of play won’t continue, but most people are taking it for granted that the Knicks will just go right back to being mediocre, even after they were one of the best teams in the league after Woodson came in last year. The Knicks will eventually slow down on offense, but the defense is legit, and I think the Knicks will be in the top 3 in defense at the end of the season, even if Chandler misses a few games.

    19. yellowboy90

      Juany8:
      I’m starting to realize that the Knicks could win their next 2-3 games by the same margin and they’ll still continue to be treated like a laughingstock. Everyone agrees that this level of play won’t continue, but most people are taking it for granted that the Knicks will just go right back to being mediocre, even after they were one of the best teams in the league after Woodson came in last year. The Knicks will eventually slow down on offense, but the defense is legit, and I think the Knicks will be in the top 3 in defense at the end of the season, even if Chandler misses a few games.

      I always like the teams I root for to be under the radar or doubted. It makes the wins seem better to me for some strange reason. By all-star break everyone will see and hopefully the Knicks will be one of the best teams.

    20. jon abbey

      I don’t think anyone is treating them like a laughingstock, just not a genuine title contender. SI had them losing in the Conference Finals coming into the season, and the majority of opinions I’ve seen on this starts (besides Mike K, heh) seem to regard it as pretty legit.

    21. ruruland

      jon abbey:
      I don’t think anyone is treating them like a laughingstock, just not a genuine title contender. SI had them losing in the Conference Finals coming into the season, and the majority of opinions I’ve seen on this starts (besides Mike K, heh) seem to regard it as pretty legit.

      Go read NBA.com’s piece. No one I’ve read is buying the Knicks start as an indicator of its potential. It’s a fluke.

    22. Juany8

      Lol, the Knicks can maybe contend for home court advantage? The Pacers got worse, Atlanta stayed the same at best, and Brooklyn was never good to begin with. Let’s keep in mind that Philly and Miami have won every game they’ve played, and that the “terrible” Sixers team blew out the Nuggets and Magic. I also have little doubt that the Knicks can generate a passable offense even when the jump shots aren;t falling, they can actually run on the break now and can still just give the ball to Anthony when all else fails. Of course if nobody can even come close to contesting your 3 point shooting, why stop? Certainly hasn’t hurt the Spurs, and it didn’t hurt the Mavericks 2 years ago lol. This team (without Amar’e) is pretty much the exact same team as those Mavericks, except for the fact that I don’t think Melo will go god mode the way Dirk did when they won it all lol.

    23. jon abbey

      I mean, it’s pretty easy to take the other side of that:

      the Knicks beat a Miami team that clearly wasn’t fully motivated and then a Sixers team missing their best and maybe their second best player. Miami, Boston, Chicago (Thibodeau doesn’t seem to actually need players to win games), whoever emerges as the best of the rest, a top 4 finish is hardly a gimme at this point. again, let’s see it for a few more weeks and I’ll be a lot more impressed.

    24. jon abbey

      back to Harden briefly:

      unsurprisingly his turnovers are way up as the primary option, 20 total in the first 4 games. last year he didn’t have his 20th turnover of the year until his 13th game.

    25. massive

      On the other side of that coin:
      Russell Westbrook through 5 games: 45.3 TS%, 97 FGA, 13 TOs, .124 WS/48
      Kevin Durant through 5 games: 57.2 TS%, 79 FGA, 26 TOs, .163 WS/48
      James Harden through 4 games: 60.1 TS%, 83 FGA, 20 TOs, .232 WS/48

      Harden has played the best basketball out of all 3 so far, even with his 20 TOs per game. There are still 75+ games left to play, but I think Harden’s stats are going to crush Westbrook’s this season and for the rest of their careers.

    26. Juany8

      massive:
      On the other side of that coin:
      Russell Westbrook through 5 games: 45.3 TS%, 97 FGA, 13 TOs, .124 WS/48
      Kevin Durant through 5 games: 57.2 TS%, 79 FGA, 26 TOs, .163 WS/48
      James Harden through 4 games: 60.1 TS%, 83 FGA, 20 TOs, .232 WS/48

      Harden has played the best basketball out of all 3 so far, even with his 20 TOs per game. There are still 75+ games left to play, but I think Harden’s stats are going to crush Westbrook’s this season and for the rest of their careers.

      Kevin Martin through 5 games: 76.6 TS%, 46 FGA 11 TOs, .313 WS/48

      Guess OKC won the trade then.

      Why even bring up early season averages when Harden has 2 clear outlier games out of his 4? So far in this season he’s had 2 amazing games and 2 bad games, if that ratio keeps up the Rockets will be lucky to get to .500, it’s not like the extra points from Harden’s 40 point destruction is going to get transferred over to the next game. I will agree that Harden will be noticeably more efficient than Westbrook for the rest of his career, I just don’t think it’ll mean anything if he’s getting shut down by elite defenders one on one, while Westbrook requires an entire team working together to stop (when he’s not stopping himself lmao!)

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