The Honorable Cock Jowles: If they did, they wouldn’t have gotten Carmelo, because he needs a great point guard to be effective. But he’s also a “shot creator,” so he doesn’t need anyone else to make the tough shots. But he needs good teammates to be All-NBA good. But he makes everyone around him better because sometimes he takes difficult shots. But he takes difficult shots because his teammates aren’t as good as him. But his teammates aren’t as good as him because they don’t exploit his talents effectively. But he can’t exploit his talents effectively for them except when he does, which is inherent in his game.

sadly, this is hilarious and true. . . . . . . . . . .

The Honorable Cock Jowles: If they did, they wouldn’t have gotten Carmelo, because he needs a great point guard to be effective. But he’s also a “shot creator,” so he doesn’t need anyone else to make the tough shots. But he needs good teammates to be All-NBA good. But he makes everyone around him better because sometimes he takes difficult shots. But he takes difficult shots because his teammates aren’t as good as him. But his teammates aren’t as good as him because they don’t exploit his talents effectively. But he can’t exploit his talents effectively for them except when he does, which is inherent in his game.

The Honorable Cock Jowles: If they did, they wouldn’t have gotten Carmelo, because he needs a great point guard to be effective. But he’s also a “shot creator,” so he doesn’t need anyone else to make the tough shots. But he needs good teammates to be All-NBA good. But he makes everyone around him better because sometimes he takes difficult shots. But he takes difficult shots because his teammates aren’t as good as him. But his teammates aren’t as good as him because they don’t exploit his talents effectively. But he can’t exploit his talents effectively for them except when he does, which is inherent in his game.

that’s great. one of the best laughs I got in this forum.

hoolahoop: Since when do the knicks consider how players will fit in with each other?

If they did, they wouldn’t have gotten Carmelo, because he needs a great point guard to be effective. But he’s also a “shot creator,” so he doesn’t need anyone else to make the tough shots. But he needs good teammates to be All-NBA good. But he makes everyone around him better because sometimes he takes difficult shots. But he takes difficult shots because his teammates aren’t as good as him. But his teammates aren’t as good as him because they don’t exploit his talents effectively. But he can’t exploit his talents effectively for them except when he does, which is inherent in his game.

Owen: Yes, the “great threat” argument. Never understood it. There are a lot of players in the nba who are considered greater threats than others despite the fact they are far less efficient on similar usage. Usually that distinction boils down I think to making higher degree of difficulty shots more frequently, which is a bad thing, in that you should avoid such shots if at all if possible, but which looks like a great thing to the casual fan, since you are salvaging possessions which seemed lost, and you are watching it on sports center.

Great point, but I’d go further. Even die hard fans don’t get it.

Matt Smith:
So Odom wants to come to NY – might be worth the MLE if he’ll take it. I think it’s fair to say his drop in production last year came mostly from hating where he was.

But I haven’t really thought of how he’d fit in with our current set up.

Since when do the knicks consider how players will fit in with each other?

bobneptune: zelmo beatty……

I went to the university of utah in the early 70?s and the utah stars flew commercial at the time. I changed planes in indianapolis one day and i walk to my seat which is right in front of zelmo beatty, willie wise and ron boone sitting 3 abreast in coach. about the funniest thing i ever saw.

The stars had the last few rows in the back of the plane booked for the flight back to salt lake.

…
My oh my how times have changed

J. Lin, as an NBA player sent down to the D-league, was given first class seats on the chartered plane (which he often gave away to teammates).

bobneptune: zelmo beatty……

I went to the university of utah in the early 70?s and the utah stars flew commercial at the time. I changed planes in indianapolis one day and i walk to my seat which is right in front of zelmo beatty, willie wise and ron boone sitting 3 abreast in coach. about the funniest thing i ever saw.

The stars had the last few rows in the back of the plane booked for the flight back to salt lake.

they had a really good team back then but had trouble getting past indiana with mel daniels, george mc ginnis and roger brown.

My oh my how times have changed

Owen:
If he were to put up a .200 ws.48 I would be happy and if he put up a .225 I would be incoherently delighted. That’s the standard generally for a top 10 season every year.

How about we say 15 win shares? It’s been done 119 times in NBA history, including by Zelmo Beatty.

That would be fantastic….

zelmo beatty……

I went to the university of utah in the early 70′s and the utah stars flew commercial at the time. I changed planes in indianapolis one day and i walk to my seat which is right in front of zelmo beatty, willie wise and ron boone sitting 3 abreast in coach. about the funniest thing i ever saw.

The stars had the last few rows in the back of the plane booked for the flight back to salt lake.

they had a really good team back then but had trouble getting past indiana with mel daniels, george mc ginnis and roger brown.

My oh my how times have changed