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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, May 16 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] J.R. has lost his shot, but not his confidence (Thu, 16 May 2013 07:16:50 GMT)
    J.R. Smith, who hasn’t been able to explain his shooting woes and erratic play since he served a one-game suspension against Boston, is now answering for all of the team’s problems.    

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: Paranoid Knicks brass in radio daze (Thu, 16 May 2013 04:42:08 GMT)
    The Gulag playbook is never hard to decipher. It often reads like a comic book. The latest chapter went something like this: Knicks get drilled by Indiana Tuesday night to go down 3-1 in the series. They are getting fried in a variety of media precincts, including the Valley of the Stupid.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Woodson keeps faith in J-Kidd (Thu, 16 May 2013 04:31:18 GMT)
    The Knicks are having trouble scoring, and Jason Kidd has been no help. The 40-year-old guard is in an epic slump, scoreless in the Eastern Conference semifinals against the Pacers and without a point since Game 2 of the series against Boston. It’s a stretch of about 160 minutes and he is 0-for-16.    

  • [New York Daily News] Bondy: If Knicks can’t sink shots, Woodson goes down with ship (Thu, 16 May 2013 04:13:53 GMT)
    It was the ultimate Knick-mare scene Wednesday at the Greenburgh training center: John Starks patiently sat and chatted with J.R. Smith after practice, telling him how to shoot his way out of a slump in a must-win playoff game on Thursday at the Garden.    

  • [New York Daily News] To survive, Knicks must play big (Thu, 16 May 2013 04:02:08 GMT)
    The big lineup experiment was a failure. And besides that, the time for trying new ideas is over. The Knicks are facing elimination on Thursday night when they meet the Pacers in Game 5 of the Eastern Conference semifinals at the Garden.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Go From Uncertain Future to West Finals (Thu, 16 May 2013 07:21:11 GMT)
    Midway through the season, the Memphis Grizzlies came through Oklahoma City and left with questions swirling about the franchise’s future after leading scorer Rudy Gay was traded away in the club’s second big deal in just over a week.    

  • [New York Times] Heat Rally Past Bulls to Advance, 94-91 (Thu, 16 May 2013 07:14:34 GMT)
    The tape around Dwyane Wade’s right knee was soaked with sweat and beginning to loosen, so he headed to the locker room to get the joint re-wrapped during the fourth quarter.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Strike Down Thunder to Reach First Conference Final (Thu, 16 May 2013 06:08:03 GMT)
    The Memphis Grizzlies stunned Oklahoma City 88-84 on Wednesday to eliminate the Thunder from the NBA playoffs and reach their first Western Conference final.    

  • [New York Times] Heat Beat Brave Bulls to Reach Eastern Final (Thu, 16 May 2013 06:05:00 GMT)
    The Miami Heat reached their third straight Eastern Conference final after a 94-91 win over Chicago on Wednesday secured a 4-1 series victory for the defending NBA champions.    

  • [New York Times] NBA Denies Bid to Move Sacramento Kings Basketball Team to Seattle (Thu, 16 May 2013 06:02:04 GMT)
    The National Basketball Association denied a proposal on Wednesday to move the Sacramento Kings to Seattle following months of bitter wrangling among potential suitors, and strongly urged the team’s owners to negotiate with a group fighting to keep the team in Sacramento.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Edge Thunder 88-84, Reach 1st West Final (Thu, 16 May 2013 05:47:22 GMT)
    With their trademark grit-and-grind mentality, the Memphis Grizzlies are making history for a franchise with little prior postseason success.    

  • [New York Times] Game 5: Grizzlies 88, Thunder 84: Grizzlies Oust Thunder and Advance to Western Conference Finals (Thu, 16 May 2013 05:43:44 GMT)
    Zach Randolph had 28 points and 14 rebounds, and Memphis defeated Oklahoma City, four games to one, to reach the Western Conference finals for the first time in franchise history.    

  • [New York Times] Game 5: Heat 94, Bulls 91: Heat Eliminate the Bulls (Thu, 16 May 2013 03:31:07 GMT)
    The Heat made their best defensive stand at the end of the game to preserve the win in Game 5 and advance to the Eastern Conference finals.    

  • [New York Times] Game 5: Heat 94, Bulls 91: Heat Rally Past Bulls to Advance (Thu, 16 May 2013 02:38:21 GMT)
    LeBron James scored 23 points, Dwyane Wade added 18 and the Heat rallied from an 11-point second-half deficit to beat the Bulls and close out their second-round series in five games.    

  • [New York Times] NBA Denies Bid to Move Sacramento Kings Basketball Team to Seattle (Thu, 16 May 2013 02:38:03 GMT)
    The National Basketball Association denied a proposal on Wednesday to move the Sacramento Kings to Seattle following months of bitter wrangling among potential suitors, and strongly urged the team’s owners to negotiate with a group fighting to keep the team in Sacramento.    

  • [New York Times] Heat Beat Bulls to Reach Eastern Conference Final (Thu, 16 May 2013 02:17:01 GMT)
    The Miami Heat reached their third straight Eastern Conference final after a 94-91 win over Chicago on Wednesday secured a 4-1 series victory for the defending NBA champions.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Owners Reject Sacramento Kings Move to Seattle (Thu, 16 May 2013 02:05:33 GMT)
    N.B.A. owners voted Wednesday to reject the Sacramento Kings’ proposed move to Seattle, the latest in a long line of cities that have tried to land the franchise.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks Face Elimination (Thu, 16 May 2013 00:53:18 GMT)
    William C. Rhoden of The Times talks with Knicks Coach Mike Woodson about Game 5 — an elimination game for the Knicks — against the Pacers on Thursday.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Suddenly, Knicks’ Problems Are Woodson’s Fault (Thu, 16 May 2013 00:22:47 GMT)
    The Knicks face a daunting 3-1 deficit in their series against the Pacers, and Coach Mike Woodson faces blistering criticism for the first time since he assumed the job 14 months ago.    

  • [New York Post] Time running out for Knicks to rise from dead (Thu, 16 May 2013 05:14:09 -0500)
    The Garden has seen enough calamity, enough slapstick basketball across the last 13 seasons to last a lifetime. And then finally, a team that looked to all New York as an oasis in the desert of despair, with Carmelo Anthony starring as The Straw That Stirred The Drink.
    Finally, a…

  • [New York Post] Kidd’s scoring skid hits record low (Thu, 16 May 2013 05:13:53 -0500)
    The scoring rut Jason Kidd is mired in ranks as the worst in NBA playoff history.
    Kidd enters tonight’s do-or-die Game 5 against the Pacers at the Garden scoreless in the Knicks’ past eight games — having missed all 16 of his shots during that span, including 10 attempts from…

  • [New York Post] J.R. vows he is confident in what could be his Knick swan song (Thu, 16 May 2013 05:13:18 -0500)
    Off to the side of the Knicks’ practice court yesterday, standing in a corner outside the locker room, J.R. Smith was talking to reporters when assistant coach Darrell Walker chimed in.
    “Got your back to the corner, huh, young fella?” Walker said. “You know what happens when they back…

  • [New York Post] For Knicks, it’s play their way or hit the highway as team fights for season (Thu, 16 May 2013 05:07:45 -0500)
    The urge, always, is to tinker. It’s what coaches do. Adjust here. Fine-tune there. Sometimes it pays huge dividends. More often, things that seem like good ideas in the darkened cocoon of a film room fail spectacularly when the X’s and the O’s are transferred to sweat…

  • [New York Post] With season on line, Knicks coach set to dump ill-fated big lineup (Thu, 16 May 2013 05:11:46 -0500)
    The Knicks went big in Indianapolis — and lost big. Now embattled coach Mike Woodson is ready to admit his mistake.
    The Knicks are expected to go back to small-ball tonight in looking for their season’s most giant victory in do-or-die Game 5 at the Garden. Carmelo Anthony will head…

  • [New York Post] Closing time for Pacers (Thu, 16 May 2013 02:59:15 -0500)
    To label the Garden environment that awaits the Pacers Thursday night as “hostile” might be the mother of all understatements. The Knicks will be fighting for their playoff lives, aiming to avoid extinction. Suffice to say the crowd won’t shower the Pacers with bouquets.
    Spit and cusses, maybe. Bouquets…

  • [New York Post] K-Mart nursing wrist (Thu, 16 May 2013 05:07:28 -0500)
    Kenyon Martin didn’t join his teammates in shooting practice Wednesday because of an apparent new wrist injury.
    Tuesday night in the visitor’s locker room in Indianapolis, Martin sported either a black soft cast or wrap on his right wrist. Martin, who also has the flu, was nowhere to…

  • 127 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, May 16 2013)

    1. Hubert Davis

      Normally by now I’ve regained my confidence after an inspirational visit from RuRu, but I can’t do it today.

      RuRu mentioned a huge banner in Denver that said WE BELIEVE at the arena before they came back in 94. Well I feel Coach Woodson hung a huge banner in the locker room Tuesday night that said I DON’T BELIEVE.

      He doesn’t believe in the small ball, shooting lineups that got us here. He doesn’t believe in Pablo Prigioni, Iman Shumpert, and Chris Copeland.

      He believes in Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd, and JR Smith, to the point that he will let them bring us all down.

      And he cast his lot with Charles Barkley to worship at the altar of rebounding and You-Can’t-Win-Shooting-Three’s.

      There’s no coming back from giving up who you are. Once another team breaks you like that, it’s over. Woodson basically batted Arod 8th on Tuesday, and there is no coming back from that.

      The Knicks don’t even know who’s playing tonight, other than JR and Kidd, who they know will be playing over them no matter how ineffective they are.

      I think the Knicks try hard tonight but go down to the team that has more self-confidence. They will exit the Garden to a polite round of applause for giving us a fine season but it won’t be overwhelming because we’re all a little disappointed that they lost faith.

      Hopefully Coach learns from his mistake next year.

    2. Hubert

      Also, I do think the crowd tonight will bring it. Some of the things I said yesterday about booing Kidd and Fire Woodson were obviously out of morning after rage. That’s no way to get behind a team and I don’t expect it to go that way.

    3. Mike Kurylo Post author

      There’s only one thing Knick fans can do to help their team. Tonight, every Knick fan should be dead silent during the player intros, until they announce Pablo Prigioni.

      That could help.

    4. d-mar

      One thing that gives me a shred of hope is that this isn’t a 6 or 7 seed trying to come back against a 3 or 2 seed, so to come back from down 3-1 wouldn’t be completely earth shattering. I know we’ve seen nothing in the last 2 games to indicate it will turn around, but one good performance (and JR hitting more than 20% of his shots) could change the whole tone of this series.

      Hey I can dream, can’t I?

    5. Hubert

      I do think Kidd will hear some boos when he comes in. I don’t think that’s fair to him, but it is what it is.

      I don’t think New Yorkers boo for the same reasons other people do. I think they boo as a way to affect change.

      No one’s really mad at Jason Kidd for being a corpse right now. We get that you’re old and you’ve done all you can. But hell if we don’t boo the shit out of you tonight Coach might play you for 30 minutes and then we’re fucked.

      If anyone should get booed, it’s Tyson Chandler for publicly throwing Melo under the bus and being so soft in this series that we’ve had to deviate from our successful lineups to give him help handling Roy Friggin’ Hibbert.

      I wouldn’t mind hearing some boos in the Former T-Bot’s direction, I ain’t gonna lie.

    6. ephus

      Given the dreck Knick fans have endured for a decade, now is the time to be in full support. I want to see ‘Melo, Chandler, Amar’e, Shumpert, Felton and especially JR Smith (my separated at birth twin) light it up tonight.

      This can be a great time to be a Knick fan. It all starts with a win tonight.

    7. flossy

      Call me crazy, but I think we will win tonight. Games 3 and 4 make me highly doubt we can take this series to game 7, but at the same time I would honestly be surprised if we lost 3 straight games, and lost 2/3 home games in this series to a team that was below .500 on the road all season.

    8. Juany8

      flossy:
      Call me crazy, but I think we will win tonight.Games 3 and 4 make me highly doubt we can take this series to game 7, but at the same time I would honestly be surprised if we lost 3 straight games, and lost 2/3 home games in this series to a team that was below .500 on the road all season.

      Strangely I’d be more optimistic about a game 6 in Indiana than I am for tonight’s game. I think the Knicks are on the verge of unraveling, but if they do make it out alive I think they have an excellent chance of winning this series. It would really help if someone other than Melo and Felton would show up too

    9. Hubert

      Juany8: Strangely I’d be more optimistic about a game 6 in Indiana than I am for tonight’s game. I think the Knicks are on the verge of unraveling, but if they do make it out alive I think they have an excellent chance of winning this series. It would really help if someone other than Melo and Felton would show up too

      I agree with this.

      If we are able to get anything going, I think we could sustain it in game 6.

      I just think there is blood in the water tonight and I don’t see us reversing postseason-long trends.

    10. nyk8806

      Hubert: Also, I wish Kurt Thomas were here.

      I wish John Starks were here so he could headbutt Reggie into the stands tonight.

    11. d-mar

      Hubert: I agree with this.

      If we are able to get anything going, I think we could sustain it in game 6.

      I just think there is blood in the water tonight and I don’t see us reversing postseason-long trends.

      Well, Indiana really hasn’t been pushed at all in this series, except for one quarter of one game. It’s a lot easier for Lance Stephenson or George Hill to hit a 3 pointer when their team is up 10 than when their team is down 5 or 6 with 3 minutes left in a game.

      I just want to see Indiana sweat a little before this series is over.

    12. flossy

      Juany8: Strangely I’d be more optimistic about a game 6 in Indiana than I am for tonight’s game. I think the Knicks are on the verge of unraveling, but if they do make it out alive I think they have an excellent chance of winning this series. It would really help if someone other than Melo and Felton would show up too

      Yeah, hard to tell if it’s a slump that can be shaken (provided the player rotations aren’t moronic) or just a death spiral. If we go down 4-1 in the 2nd round, it’s going to be a long and unpleasant summer for the whole team, so hopefully they can at least push this series to 6.

    13. thenamestsam

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      http://deadspin.com/kendrick-perkins-had-a-historically-bad-playoff-run-507518143

      How can you look at those numbers and think that Westbrook’s injury is responsible for them?

      So in your opinion the difference between this year’s Thunder and last year’s Thunder was that Kendrick Perkins powered them to the finals last year with his mighty 8.0 PER and this year he just couldn’t do it? Nothing to see here with regards to Westbrook’s injury?

    14. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      flossy: Boy, Perkins makes Jason Kidd’s 5.4 PER and .020 WS/48 look sterling in comparison.

      Trading away Jeff Green and James Harden is looking dumber and dumber when you consider the Thunder paid Kevin Martin and Perkins more than $20 million this year.

      Martin played really well until recently. Perkins is the big one.

      thenamestsam,

      I can’t believe that you actually think Westbrook’s absence is somehow responsible for that kind of drop in productivity.

    15. DRed

      westbrook is a nice player. He has terrible backups. Losing Westbrook definitely was not a positive for Oaklahoma. But it’s not the only reason they lost to the Grizzle

    16. d-mar

      I just don’t understand why Durant isn’t getting roasted by the sports media. He came up incredibly small in the last 2 games of this series, and if the excuse is “well, he didn’t have Westbrook so Memphis could load up on him” then Melo should get the same free pass, because who exactly is his wingman?

    17. thenamestsam

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:

      I can’t believe that you actually think Westbrook’s absence is somehow responsible for that kind of drop in productivity.

      Didn’t say that though, did I? Perkins was terrible last year. He was even worse this year. I don’t know how much of that has to do with Westbrook, but I also don’t think it matters much. I asked whether you think that Perkins falling off from horrible to abysmal was really the big difference between this year’s Thunder and last year’s.

    18. flossy

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Martin played really well until recently. Perkins is the big one.

      thenamestsam,

      I can’t believe that you actually think Westbrook’s absence is somehow responsible for that kind of drop in productivity.

      Kendrick Perkins sucks with or without Russell Westbrook. His sucking should not be taken as a reflection of Westbrook’s influence. However it should be perfectly obvious that OKC’s team-wide underperformance in the playoffs had everything to do with not having Westbrook (and having Martin in place of Harden).

      Kevin Martin plays well–or rather, scores efficiently–when he has someone like Westbrook to do the heavy lifting for him and set him up for lightly contested jump shots. It’s no coincidence that his scoring efficiency tanked once Westbrook got injured. Unlike Harden, he’s not the kind of player who can increase his usage and shoulder a larger shot creation burden while still scoring efficiently and creating scoring opportunities for others. He’s a finisher–and a good one, but not a creator on offense. Even Durant, superhumanly talented as he is, saw his play diminish once he had to do all the shot creation for himself.

      I 110% guarantee you that Scott Brooks would have killed to have Harden back once Westbrook went down, and he (and any other coach) would trade Reggie Jackson and his .580 TS% in the playoffs for Russell Westbrook in a heartbeat.

    19. thenamestsam

      DRed:
      westbrook is a nice player.He has terrible backups.Losing Westbrook definitely was not a positive for Oaklahoma.But it’s not the only reason they lost to the Grizzle

      Reggie Jackson is a terrible backup?

      d-mar:
      I just don’t understand why Durant isn’t getting roasted by the sports media. He came up incredibly small in the last 2 games of this series, and if the excuse is “well, he didn’t have Westbrook so Memphis could load up on him” then Melo should get the same free pass, because who exactly is his wingman?

      A. He’s much younger than Melo
      B. He made it to the finals last year
      C. He has a history of big shots in the playoffs, including in this playoffs and in this series
      D. His overall stats for these playoffs were still very good, even if not up to his standards

      Not saying it’s right or wrong, but there’s a lot of reasons he’s getting a soft hands treatment. Also I think it’s worth pointing out that for as much as we all complain about Melo’s treatment by the media, he actually isn’t getting torched right now. Despite his overall extremely mediocre play the talk has been much more focused on Woodson, JR, Kidd, Tyson, etc. Lets complain when Melo gets a bad rap, but complaining when he’s getting a fair shake doesn’t help anything.

    20. flossy

      d-mar:
      I just don’t understand why Durant isn’t getting roasted by the sports media. He came up incredibly small in the last 2 games of this series, and if the excuse is “well, he didn’t have Westbrook so Memphis could load up on him” then Melo should get the same free pass, because who exactly is his wingman?

      Probably because overall Durant played incredibly well in the playoffs (much better than Melo)?

      Honestly, I’m surprised Melo hasn’t gotten more heat in the media for scoring 0 total FGs in the 4th quarter of the last two games and basically ejecting himself from game 4 by blatantly shoving someone out of bounds to pick up foul #6 with a few minutes left in game 4.

    21. Nick C.

      He gets the same pass Melo got for several years, Garnett had and Paul has. Paul may have been given a lifetime pass as a dispensation for the Hornets fiasco. I don’t see why (well I do) every time Durant or Harden farts it has to bounce back onto Melo. Is it too much to let them all stand or fall on their own merits or lack thereof?

      d-mar:
      I just don’t understand why Durant isn’t getting roasted by the sports media. He came up incredibly small in the last 2 games of this series, and if the excuse is “well, he didn’t have Westbrook so Memphis could load up on him” then Melo should get the same free pass, because who exactly is his wingman?

    22. nicos

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Martin played really well until recently. Perkins is the big one.

      I can’t believe that you actually think Westbrook’s absence is somehow responsible for that kind of drop in productivity.

      But both Collison and Ibaka suffered huge drops in TS% as well- some of that is certainly due to Memphis’s defense but you have to think Westbrook’s absence played a pretty big part. His replacements (Fisher and Jackson) shot better than Westbrook would have yet the offense certainly suffered without his playmaking/pushing the ball skills. Of course I don’t think anyone ever thought they’d be better off just waiving Westbrook, just that if you could keep either him or Harden that Harden would have been the better choice.

    23. Bison

      d-mar:
      I just don’t understand why Durant isn’t getting roasted by the sports media. He came up incredibly small in the last 2 games of this series, and if the excuse is “well, he didn’t have Westbrook so Memphis could load up on him” then Melo should get the same free pass, because who exactly is his wingman?

      Last season Lin was the team’s second strong scoring and playmaking option. The 18/7 guy isn’t here now, and that is why Melo will be getting a lot of grief this summer if the Knicks don’t reach the ECF: because he was a big reason why Lin was pushed off the team.

    24. d-mar

      flossy: Probably because overall Durant played incredibly well in the playoffs (much better than Melo)?

      Honestly, I’m surprised Melo hasn’t gotten more heat in the media for scoring 0 total FGs in the 4th quarter of the last two games and basically ejecting himself from game 4 by blatantly shoving someone out of bounds to pick up foul #6 with a few minutes left in game 4.

      He has played well in the playoffs in his career, but when he didn’t have Westbrook out there, his performance was pretty awful for the supposed second best player in the NBA.

    25. Juany8

      Bison: Last season Lin was the team’s second strong scoring and playmaking option.The 18/7 guy isn’t here now, and that is why Melo will be getting a lot of grief this summer if the Knicks don’t reach the ECF: because he was a big reason why Lin was pushed off the team.

      Lol it’s a damn shame the Rockets can’t somehow amnesty Jeremy Lin, I’m actually more comfortable with a lineup of Beverly and brooks going forward. The Rockets would have had a chance to push OKC if McHale hadn’t tried to play Lin for a few minutes in game 5

    26. Hubert

      Bison: that is why Melo will be getting a lot of grief this summer if the Knicks don’t reach the ECF: because he was a big reason why Lin was pushed off the team.

      I don’t think that’s going to happen.

    27. flossy

      d-mar: He has played well in the playoffs in his career, but when he didn’t have Westbrook out there, his performance was pretty awful for the supposed second best player in the NBA.

      I mean he definitely didn’t come up big in the 4th quarter of the last couple games, but again, you could say the same for Melo.

      But if 30.8 points, 9 rebounds and 6.3 assists per game with a TS% of .574, a usage of 32% and an AST% of 29 is “pretty awful,” well… sign me up for more of that kind of suck.

      That may be a bit off his normal numbers but it still blows Melo (.488 TS%, usage of 37, AST% 10) out of the water.

    28. Frank O.

      If you’re going down, do it with guns blazing.
      Start bombing and keep bombing.
      They have nothing to lose now. See if they can’t rock the Pacers back on their heels.

    29. Bison

      Juany8: Lol it’s a damn shame the Rockets can’t somehow amnesty Jeremy Lin, I’m actually more comfortable with a lineup of Beverly and brooks going forward. The Rockets would have had a chance to push OKC if McHale hadn’t tried to play Lin for a few minutes in game 5

      According to Daryl Morey, the Rockets GM, Lin was the fifth best PnR player in the whole NBA this season, and the team wouldn’t even have been in the playoffs without him.

      Laugh all you want, but a player who finished the season on an 18/7 tear (per 36 minutes, over the last two months) is not negligible. Remember that we kicked the Pacers’ butts — back to back! — last season when Lin was running the show.

    30. d-mar

      flossy: I mean he definitely didn’t come up big in the 4th quarter of the last couple games, but again, you could say the same for Melo.

      But if 30.8 points, 9 rebounds and 6.3 assists per game with a TS% of .574, a usage of 32% and an AST% of 29 is “pretty awful,” well… sign me up for more of that kind of suck.

      That may be a bit off his normal numbers but it still blows Melo (.488 TS%, usage of 37, AST% 10) out of the water.

      Ok, look, Durant is a better overall player than Melo, there’s no argument there. But we always hear “There’s LeBron and Durant and then everyone else is a notch below” So that’s a pretty high standard.

      I just think he was somewhat exposed in this playoffs when he was asked to be the main guy. And despite the statistics you quoted, you have to judge elite level superstars on their ability to deliver at the end of playoff games, and he came up way short in that regard.

    31. flossy

      d-mar: Ok, look, Durant is a better overall player than Melo, there’s no argument there. But we always hear “There’s LeBron and Durant and then everyone else is a notch below” So that’s a pretty high standard.

      I just think he was somewhat exposed in this playoffs when he was asked to be the main guy. And despite the statistics you quoted, you have to judge elite level superstars on their ability to deliver at the end of playoff games, and he came up way short in that regard.

      If that’s the case, what does it say about our own star?

      I don’t think Durant got “exposed” unless you were among the few who actually thought that Russell Westbrook was a detriment to the Thunder’s offense. For a player who was forced to be the sole source of shot creation for his entire team (he used 30% of OKC’s possessions and assisted on 30% of his team’s baskets–crazy!), for the first time since his rookie year, I think he held his own. Really, you have to wonder why he was the only player on OKC who stepped his game up at all when Ibaka, Martin and Perkins all wilted without Westbrook.

      Really, aside from LeBron, could anyone else have played as well as Durant under those circumstances? Faced with a group of teammates who are similarly coming up small in the playoffs, Melo has played horribly relative to Durant. If Durant were using 36% of his team’s possessions and only scoring with a .488 TS% I doubt OKC would have even made it to the 2nd round at all.

    32. Bison

      d-mar: Ok, look, Durant is a better overall player than Melo, there’s no argument there. But we always hear “There’s LeBron and Durant and then everyone else is a notch below” So that’s a pretty high standard.

      I just think he was somewhat exposed in this playoffs when he was asked to be the main guy. And despite the statistics you quoted, you have to judge elite level superstars on their ability to deliver at the end of playoff games, and he came up way short in that regard.

      I’m inclined to cut Durant some slack. You can’t go far if you’re playing 1 vs 5 on offense. MIchael Jordan learned that, and so did Lebron.

    33. Hubert

      Bison: You think people have forgotten Linsanity?

      I mean no disrespect to Jeremy, but Carmelo Anthony did enough this year to ensure that no one is going to give him grief for not clamoring for Jeremy to return.

    34. mcliff05

      From ESPN – Woody on Cope:

      “Chris Copeland will play early tonight. We still stick him in there,” he said. “He was in that second unit when we anchored the second game, and we’re going to go back to some of that.”

      AMEN!

    35. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      thenamestsam: Didn’t say that though, did I? Perkins was terrible last year. He was even worse this year. I don’t know how much of that has to do with Westbrook, but I also don’t think it matters much. I asked whether you think that Perkins falling off from horrible to abysmal was really the big difference between this year’s Thunder and last year’s.

      When your starting center has as many rebounds as personal fouls, yes, that is the significant difference. His play would sink any team. He was actively bad. Not just throwing up goose eggs, but being terrible.

    36. d-mar

      Bison: I’m inclined to cut Durant some slack.You can’t go far if you’re playing 1 vs 5 on offense.MIchael Jordan learned that, and so did Lebron.

      Missing open shots and critical free throws has nothing to do with going 1 on 5, it’s about not coming through down the stretch of close games

    37. Jafa

      Hi Knicks fans,

      Just checking in a year after switching sides to see how my good old Knicks fans are doing. Hang in the Mike and the crew. I see rough waters ahead for a few years.

      But I haven’t seen any ruruland posts anywhere. Where did he go? I found my last correspondence with him before I stopped posting and checking in, back in October.

      http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-exercise-option-on-shumpert/

      I see I was right about almost everything, but especially satisfying to be right about Felton this year:

      - took 13 shots to get 14 points. Before this season, he took 12 shots to get 13 points over his career.
      - TS% of 0.505. Right around his career average of 0.498 at the time
      - AST% of 27, worse than 32.1 for his career at the time
      - Not better than Jeremy Lin (TS% = 0.538, AST% = 29.4) or Pablo Prigioni (TS% = 0.595, AST% = 27.5)

      Ah Felton. Thank you for being perfectly predictable.

    38. nyk8806

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: When your starting center has as many rebounds as personal fouls, yes, that is the significant difference. His play would sink any team. He was actively bad. Not just throwing up goose eggs, but being terrible.

      What happens when your “backup” SG is eating up a quarter to a third of your possessions, and has posted a negative WS in the playoffs the past 3 seasons? Believe it or not, JR is playing better in the playoffs this year than last (.426 TS .391 eFG, -.013 WS/48 vs. .384/.349/-.097).

    39. Bison

      d-mar: Missing open shots and critical free throws has nothing to do with going 1 on 5, it’s about not coming through down the stretch of close games

      It’s about being tired after going 1 vs 5 all series. No one can keep making shots at high efficiency for long, as Jordan and Lebron have learned to their cost. Melo will have this lesson shoved down his throat pretty soon.

    40. Bison

      Bison: It’s about being tired after going 1 vs 5 all series.No one can keep making shots at high efficiency for long in that situation, as Jordan and Lebron have learned to their cost.Melo will have this lesson shoved down his throat pretty soon.

      Fixed.

    41. Bison

      Hubert: I mean no disrespect to Jeremy, but Carmelo Anthony did enough this year to ensure that no one is going to give him grief for not clamoring for Jeremy to return.

      People will be mentioning how easily we whipped the Pacers last season when Lin was running the show, count on it.

    42. Nick C.

      Bison: People will be mentioning how easily we whipped the Pacers last season when Lin was running the show, count on it.

      I forgot about that. At any rate we have a whipping of the Pacers from weeks ago (or is it months with how the playoffs drag) with Copeland featuring prominently to reminisce about.

    43. Hubert

      mcliff05:
      From ESPN – Woody on Cope:

      “Chris Copeland will play early tonight. We still stick him in there,” he said. “He was in that second unit when we anchored the second game, and we’re going to go back to some of that.”

      AMEN!

      Now I kind of feel like Mike K did before game 4, that now that we’re all clamoring for him he will do nothing.

      The key to using Copeland, IMO, is not just playing him but playing him at the 5 with Melo at the 4 so George has to actually defend him alone and can’t benefit from Hibbert’s shading.

      This should, in theory, give Melo the spacing he needs.

      If you think Roy Hibbert will dominate Copeland down low, so be it. I’ll take my chances with Carmelo Anthony vs Roy Hibbert in a scoring duel all day.

    44. Hubert

      Jafa:
      Hi Knicks fans,

      Just checking in a year after switching sides to see how my good old Knicks fans are doing.

      Who did you switch to? I hope it was someone good and not the Nets.

    45. mcliff05

      If you switch teams for any reason other than your family member is playing/working for a different team, then you lose credibility with me.

    46. mcliff05

      P>If you think Roy Hibbert will dominate Copeland down low, so be it. I’ll take my chances with Carmelo Anthony vs Roy Hibbert in a scoring duel all day.

      Exactly, we’re going to lose the rebound margin no matter what, we need to outscore them. Hibbert is also not getting into foul trouble becuase he hasnt had to guard a resonable offensive threat one-on-one. He looks like Deke out there becuase he’s a good help defender in the lane. Make him move his feet and watch him rack up the fouls.

    47. Bison

      Nick C.: I forgot about that. At any rate we have a whipping of the Pacers from weeks ago (or is it months with how the playoffs drag) with Copeland featuring prominently to reminisce about.

      Don’t worry, if the Knicks flame out against the Pacers, the NY media will remind everyone.

      To avoid that depressing outcome, let’s hope that Copesanity happens again tonight. Any bets that it will?

      Whereas Linsanity overwhelmed the Pacers twice in a back-to-back, which is much more like a playoff series. We won by 15 points in the first game. In the second game, at their stadium, when they were presumably ready for us, we still won by 14 points. We kicked their butts!

    48. Hubert

      We can effectively limit the rebounding advantage just by staying home.

      I think the tell tale sign tonight is if we’re doubling Hibbert early and often. That just has to stop. He’s not going to score 40 if you leave him single covered.

      That, IMO, is a MUCH bigger adjustment that needs to be made than the Copeland one.

    49. ruruland

      Jafa:
      Hi Knicks fans,

      Just checking in a year after switching sides to see how my good old Knicks fans are doing.Hang in the Mike and the crew.I see rough waters ahead for a few years.

      But I haven’t seen any ruruland posts anywhere.Where did he go?I found my last correspondence with him before I stopped posting and checking in, back in October.

      http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-exercise-option-on-shumpert/

      I see I was right about almost everything, but especially satisfying to be right about Felton this year:

      - took 13 shots to get 14 points.Before this season, he took 12 shots to get 13 points over his career.
      - TS% of 0.505.Right around his career average of 0.498 at the time
      - AST% of 27, worse than 32.1 for his career at the time
      - Not better than Jeremy Lin (TS% = 0.538, AST% = 29.4) or Pablo Prigioni (TS% = 0.595, AST% = 27.5)

      Ah Felton.Thank you for being perfectly predictable.

      Scum. Banhammer.

    50. BigBlueAL

      It took going down 3-1 in the 2nd round to the Pacers for Jeremy Lin lovers to return and somehow gloat. lol

    51. Nick C.

      Yeah I was as dismayed as anyone but it’s over and done. I am almost to the point of rooting against Lin b/c the drop-ins are so peculiar. As for the game maybe it’s a simple as the Knicks make most of their makeable shots and the Pacers miss.

    52. Robtachi

      It’s not gloating, it’s bemoaning the propensity for stupid moves that will always pervade Knicks management as long as Jim Dolan owns the team. And we don’t need an occasion for that, either.

    53. stratomatic

      1. Our coach has no idea what he’s doing. He’s throwing darts at a board. It’s one thing to make small adjustments either during the game or as a series progresses. It’s another to swing from one extreme of style to another, start players then don’t play them at all, etc.. often without any relationship to the previous results on the court etc..

      2. Yes, Durant struggled a little more without Westbrook and against a tougher defense. So players like Melo also deserve to be cut a little slack in similar circumstances. But there is one huge difference.

      A lot of the tough shots Melo takes are self inflicted. Durant literally had no help and HAD to shoot. Melo often chooses to hold the ball, dribble, and then is forced to take a tough shoot. And of course Durant’s bottom is better than Melo’s top.

      3. The fat lady is not singing, but she’s doing scale exercises. If they don’t have enough pride to win this game (and they should because they are the slightly better team and home), then the situation is even worse than I thought going forward. Win tonight and then worry about game 6.

    54. Robtachi

      By the way, I don’t understand how as time has gone on, history of last summer has seemingly been rewritten as if it were some choice between Lin and Felton. It was never a choice the Knicks were forced to make; if they wanted to, they could have just kept both of them and perhaps had that much more in the way of assets, but they didn’t. Aside from girlfriends/wives, I honestly can’t think of any situation in life where it’s wise to close yourself off from more options down the road.

    55. Hubert

      Robtachi:
      Aside from girlfriends/wives, I honestly can’t think of any situation in lifewhere it’s wise to close yourself off from more options down the road.

      Even in the situation you cited I don’t think it’s wise.

    56. nyk8806

      No need to banhammer anyone who comes on and gloats. Be a Knicks fan long enough and you’ll develop thick skin, unless you’re an idiot and switch to root for brooook-lyyyyyn. I hated the Lin move not because I thought he would be a better player than Felton/Kidd, much less that he would be worth the tax $, but because of the inept way that the team/Dolan handled it. If Dolan walked in front of a bus tomorrow I would probably be ruru-level optimistic about the team.

      We’ll never know what this team might have done if Lin had stayed (or we managed to get more than jack shit for him), and throwing up a few apples to oranges stats from this season won’t change that fact one way or the other.

      The Woody quotes make me feel much better about our chances tonight. Nothing is more frustrating than feeling your team is losing largely because you’re getting badly outcoached. 1 game at a time–GO KNICKS!

    57. d-mar

      BigBlueAL:
      It took going down 3-1 in the 2nd round to the Pacers for Jeremy Lin lovers to return and somehow gloat.lol

      It is unbelievable that we’re talking about Jeremy freaking Lin on the eve of probably the Knicks biggest game of the season.

      Next up: why did we make that damn Carmelo trade?

    58. ruruland

      stratomatic:
      1.Our coach has no idea what he’s doing. He’s throwing darts at a board.It’s one thing to make small adjustments either during the game or as a series progresses. It’s another to swing from one extreme of style to another, start players then don’t play them at all, etc.. often without any relationship to the previous results on the court etc..

      2.Yes, Durant struggled a little more without Westbrook and against a tougher defense.So players like Melo also deserve to be cut a little slack in similar circumstances. But there is one huge difference.

      A lot of the tough shots Melo takes are self inflicted.Durant literally had no help and HAD to shoot.Melo often chooses to hold the ball, dribble, and then is forced to take a tough shoot.And of course Durant’s bottom is better than Melo’s top.

      3. The fat lady is not singing, but she’s doing scale exercises.If they don’t have enough pride to win this game (and they should because they are the slightly better team and home), then the situation is even worse than I thought going forward.Win tonight and then worry about game 6.

      Show us your formulas.

    59. ruruland

      nyk8806:
      No need to banhammer anyone who comes on and gloats.Be a Knicks fan long enough and you’ll develop thick skin, unless you’re an idiot and switch to root for brooook-lyyyyyn.I hated the Lin move not because I thought he would be a better player than Felton/Kidd, much less that he would be worth the tax $, but because of the inept way that the team/Dolan handled it.If Dolan walked in front of a bus tomorrow I would probably be ruru-level optimistic about the team.

      We’ll never know what this team might have done if Lin had stayed (or we managed to get more than jack shit for him), and throwing up a few apples to oranges stats from this season won’t change that fact one way or the other.

      The Woody quotes make me feel much better about our chances tonight.Nothing is more frustrating than feeling your team is losing largely because you’re getting badly outcoached.1 game at a time–GO KNICKS!

      right, he’s a brooklyn fan

    60. Jafa

      ruruland: Scum. Banhammer.

      Wow ruruland! This is how you respond to posts now? No more factual evidence and statistical analysis? Just cheap shots? I guess losing brings out the worst in everyone!

    61. stratomatic

      ruruland: Show us your formulas.

      If you think I’m going to give away years of research that I use for gambling you are crazy.

      But that’s neither here or there.

      You’ve been arguing how wrong I was about Melo, how JR was a changed player, etc…

      It’s pretty hard to be more wrong than you. So instead of asking me for my data (which has been right), perhaps you should review your own.

    62. Kikuchiyo

      d-mar: It is unbelievable that we’re talking about Jeremy freaking Lin on the eve of probably the Knicks biggest game of the season.

      Next up: why did we make that damn Carmelo trade?

      And why do we have Amar’e when we could have David Lee? Just imagine this team with Lee (and Robinson)!

    63. jon abbey

      this thread is as sad as the state of the Knicks.

      and Jeremy Lin is fucking awful, the next good playoff game he plays will be his first.

    64. ruruland

      stratomatic: If you think I’m going to give away years of research that I use for gambling you are crazy.

      But that’s neither here or there.

      You’ve been arguing how wrong I was about Melo, how JR was a changed player, etc…

      It’s pretty hard to be more wrong than you. So instead of asking me for my data (which has been right), perhaps you should review your own.

      silly.

    65. ruruland

      Jafa: Wow ruruland!This is how you respond to posts now? No more factual evidence and statistical analysis? Just cheap shots?I guess losing brings out the worst in everyone!

      You’re a Nets fan now!!!

    66. stratomatic

      The one rational reason for reviewing old trades and FA signings like Lin, Amare, Melo, Kidd etc… is to see what we did right and what we did wrong so we stop making the same mistakes year after year. Without understanding what went wrong and why, you are doomed to continue using the same flawed mental model that got you into in a mess to begin with.

      With the Knicks it’s fairly easy.

      1. They over value the short term and under value the long term

      2. They over value volume scoring

      3. They over value “star” and “name” power (which may be a function of making money and not basketball)

      4. Except for the initial period under Walsh/D’Antoni when they cleaned house, they undervalue the positive impact of high basketball IQ and character on the locker room, player improvement, team stability etc…

    67. mcliff05

      jon abbey: this thread is as sad as the state of the Knicks. and Jeremy Lin is fucking awful, the next good playoff game he plays will be his first.

      +1 on the first comment
      +0.5 on the second

    68. ruruland

      jon abbey:
      this thread is as sad as the state of the Knicks.

      and Jeremy Lin is fucking awful, the next good playoff game he plays will be his first.

      A few roaches scurrying in the daylight. A lot more where they came from.

      Crunch.

    69. Jafa

      ruruland: You’re a Nets fan now!!!

      And I like her better than my long time ex-girlfriend. That doesn’t mean I lose my manners. Who peed in your Cheerios?

    70. Jafa

      nyk8806:
      No need to banhammer anyone who comes on and gloats.Be a Knicks fan long enough and you’ll develop thick skin, unless you’re an idiot and switch to root for brooook-lyyyyyn.I hated the Lin move not because I thought he would be a better player than Felton/Kidd, much less that he would be worth the tax $, but because of the inept way that the team/Dolan handled it.If Dolan walked in front of a bus tomorrow I would probably be ruru-level optimistic about the team.

      We’ll never know what this team might have done if Lin had stayed (or we managed to get more than jack shit for him), and throwing up a few apples to oranges stats from this season won’t change that fact one way or the other.

      The Woody quotes make me feel much better about our chances tonight.Nothing is more frustrating than feeling your team is losing largely because you’re getting badly outcoached.1 game at a time–GO KNICKS!

      Much better to spend our tax dollars on Felton and old semi-retired players right?

    71. Jafa

      BigBlueAL:
      It took going down 3-1 in the 2nd round to the Pacers for Jeremy Lin lovers to return and somehow gloat.lol

      To be fair, we don’t all “love” Lin, we just like him better than Felton.

    72. Z

      May 17th, 1995

      Returning home from being battered in Indiana, the 55-win Knicks have their backs to the wall in Round 2. It’s win or go home and face a long summer of questions about age, heart, and composition. Franchise star Patrick Ewing, playing in his 10th ring-less season, has been punished by Rik Smits all series long.

      With the anxious Garden crowd sweating bullets, Smits opens the game 8-9, racking up 28 points over the first three quarters. With defeat in the air, the Knicks clamp down, holding Smits scoreless in the 4th while building up a seven point lead with 53 seconds to play. Hope!

      But an 8-0 run, capped by a 28-foot bomb by Byron Scott, put the Knicks down one with just a few seconds left…

      And the rest you all know, so I’ll end this little flashback here. But the oracle has spoken: look for Anthony to hit a game winner to send it back to Indy…

    73. johnlocke

      But then there’s this:

      “I will never kick J-Kidd to the curb, man,” he said. “Kidd has been a positive for our club, our franchise, these players that play around him, and we all still believe in Kidd. He still does some of the intangibles that might not show up in terms of scoring the ball to help you win.”

      mcliff05:
      From ESPN – Woody on Cope:

      “Chris Copeland will play early tonight. We still stick him in there,” he said. “He was in that second unit when we anchored the second game, and we’re going to go back to some of that.”

      AMEN!

    74. Juany8

      I find it pretty funny that actual Rockets fans all wish the team could get rid of Lin, and here people actually wish they had a guy who crapped the bed in the playoffs… in order to improve their playoff chances. Don’t know that Lin would even have been an improvement over Jason Kidd for this series….

    75. Bison

      stratomatic:
      1.Our coach has no idea what he’s doing. He’s throwing darts at a board.

      I think it’s more like he’s nearly out of options. As Robtachi mentioned, we seriously limited our choices in the summer by dumping a great young talent for nothing and going really, really old. The senior citizens predictably geezered out, and we have few alternatives left.

      2.Yes, Durant struggled a little more without Westbrook and against a tougher defense. So players like Melo also deserve to be cut a little slack in similar circumstances. But there is one huge difference.

      A lot of the tough shots Melo takes are self inflicted. Durant literally had no help and HAD to shoot. Melo often chooses to hold the ball, dribble, and then is forced to take a tough shoot. And of course Durant’s bottom is better than Melo’s top.

      Agreed.

    76. nyk8806

      Jafa: Much better to spend our tax dollars on Felton and old semi-retired players right?

      I hated the geezer-squad strategy (and have complained about it here many times), but “our” tax dollars? As much as I hate Jimmy D, it’s still his money (and I actually don’t think the Lin decision was a mostly a financial one, but we’ll never know). BTW, congrats on becoming a fan of the only NBA team owned by someone that is more of a dbag than Dolan!

    77. Brian Cronin

      It took going down 3-1 in the 2nd round to the Pacers for Jeremy Lin lovers to return and somehow gloat. lol

      The stupidest aspect of it all is that, what, if the Knicks win this series in Game 7 does that suddenly mean that it was a good idea to let Lin go?

      Only popping up to make arguments when their “opponent”‘s position is at its lowest is just lame. I mean, don’t get me wrong, it happens all the time here, on all sides of any argument, but it is still pretty damn lame.

    78. Z

      Jafa: Someone good! The Nets!

      Hey Jafa– I too have been “off the Knicks” this season. Figured I had company, but haven’t been around much to know who was similarly fed up enough with Dolan & co to not invest anymore in their product. When I saw the Knicks and Pacers were playing in the second round it brought back a bunch of memories I’d like to “Spotless Mind”. Figured since I can’t delete them I may as well post them! (it’s therapeutic, ya know).

      Anyway, probably best to let the good folks (and the more annoying folks too) at KB enjoy the playoff run. They’ve waited a long time for relevant hoops in mid-may. There’s time to fire-up the Stockholm Syndrome meme when (if?) it all flames out…

    79. BigBlueAL

      stratomatic:
      The one rational reason for reviewing old trades and FA signings like Lin, Amare, Melo, Kidd etc… is to see what we did right and what we did wrong so we stop making the same mistakes year after year. Without understanding what went wrong and why, you are doomed to continue using the same flawed mental model that got you into in a mess to begin with.

      With the Knicks it’s fairly easy.

      1. They over value the short term and under value the long term

      2. They over value volume scoring

      3. They over value “star” and “name” power (which may be a function of making money and not basketball)

      4. Except for the initial period under Walsh/D’Antoni when they cleaned house, they undervalue the positive impact of high basketball IQ and character on the locker room, player improvement, team stability etc…

      The Knicks front office in the past couple of years have made some mistakes but shit they have put together a 54 win team.

      I get the frustration about this series but I dont get the continued doom and gloom of the future and past failures. The problem I see is the people who hated the Melo trade and letting Lin leave want this team to fail that even winning 54 freaking games and being in the 2nd round is viewed as a failure because if they wouldve followed some hypothetical, unrealistic plan they would be right on par with the Heat right now.

      All the complaints people had before the season about this team being a mediocre team were well off so now that they will probably lose in the 2nd round it justifies their pre-season belief somehow. Gimme a break. Anything short of winning 60 games and a trip to the NBA Finals isnt enough to some people.

    80. Jafa

      Brian Cronin: The stupidest aspect of it all is that, what, if the Knicks win this series in Game 7 does that suddenly mean that it was a good idea to let Lin go?

      Only popping up to make arguments when their “opponent”‘s position is at its lowest is just lame. I mean, don’t get me wrong, it happens all the time here, on all sides of any argument, but it is still pretty damn lame.

      Good to read your posts again Brian. For the record, I made that argument in October, as referenced in my post. And I popped up because I just thought about this site today after a long time of not visiting, not to take advantage of your low position at this time. After all, the team I now root for lost a Game 7 on its own floor in the 1st round, doesn’t have a coach or a starting PF and is capped out. Not exactly the same perch a Heat fan might have now.

    81. Jafa

      Z: Hey Jafa– I too have been “off the Knicks” this season. Figured I had company, but haven’t been around much to know who was similarly fed up enough with Dolan & co to not invest anymore in their product. When I saw the Knicks and Pacers were playing in the second round it brought back a bunch of memories I’d like to “Spotless Mind”. Figured since I can’t delete them I may as well post them! (it’s therapeutic, ya know).

      Anyway, probably best to let the good folks (and the more annoying folks too) at KB enjoy the playoff run. They’ve waited a long time for relevant hoops in mid-may. There’s time to fire-up the Stockholm Syndrome meme when (if?) it all flames out…

      Fair enough Z. I’ll return in a week with a keg of beer to cheer their spirits.

    82. Bison

      BigBlueAL:
      It took going down 3-1 in the 2nd round to the Pacers for Jeremy Lin lovers to return and somehow gloat.lol

      Nope. I’ve been watching both the Knicks and Rockets, so I had no time for this site. When the Rockets got knocked out, I had more spare time but needed a few days to catch up here. The playoff situation of the Knicks was irrelevant to my return.

    83. Brian Cronin

      As Z notes, better to wait until the season is over for discussions like this.

    84. Juany8

      BigBlueAL: The Knicks front office in the past couple of years have made some mistakes but shit they have put together a 54 win team.

      I get the frustration about this series but I dont get the continued doom and gloom of the future and past failures.The problem I see is the people who hated the Melo trade and letting Lin leave want this team to fail that even winning 54 freaking games and being in the 2nd round is viewed as a failure because if they wouldve followed some hypothetical, unrealistic plan they would be right on par with the Heat right now.

      All the complaints people had before the season about this team being a mediocre team were well off so now that they will probably lose in the 2nd round it justifies their pre-season belief somehow.Gimme a break.Anything short of winning 60 games and a trip to the NBA Finals isnt enough to some people.

      Nice post. The Knicks still had a better season than all but 4-5 teams, and it’s silly to start giving the players shit when Melo is playing with a dislocated shoulder and Chandler’s neck has turned him into a statue. Those 2 and Amar’e are taking up pretty much all the cap space, and Melo has played MILES beyond our other highly paid players the last 2 years in the postseason. If anything people should be bitching at the medical staff….

    85. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin:
      As Z notes, better to wait until the season is over for discussions like this.

      Brian I think we all know how these “discussions” will go lol. Probably will be good to avoid this site for the most part until the draft approaches since at least the Knicks have a 1st round pick this year. Of course hopefully the Knicks can put off discussions about the off-season for another few days at the least.

    86. BigBlueAL

      I will just lastly say this, these Knicks are a very good team. Losing to the Pacers doesnt change that. The Pacers themselves are a very good team and have been for 2 seasons in a row now. They are also a pretty tough matchup for the Knicks. Yes I think the Knicks are better and will be disappointed if they lose to them. But again that doesnt change the fact the Knicks are still a very good team who should still be very good next season.

    87. ruruland

      Hibbert has twice as many offensive rebs (22) in the series as Chandler has defensive rebs (11).

    88. Juany8

      Bison: Nope.I’ve been watching both the Knicks and Rockets, so I had no time for this site.When the Rockets got knocked out, I had more spare time but needed a few days to catch up here.The playoff situation of the Knicks was irrelevant to my return.

      How on earth is it possible that you watched the Rockets series and came away with the impression that Lin would help? The Rockets were well on their way to making a comeback and playing a game 7 at OKC before Lin came back from his injury and fucked it all up. There was an almost direct correlation between how much time Lin was playing and how many points the Thunder were going up by. They won the 2 games where he didn’t play a single minute.

      Look I said before the season that signing Lin was a no brainer from a basketball perspective because I assumed that:

      1. A famous name would always add more trade value to a player than he actually has.

      2. Lin was going to be an average point guard at worst.

      3. Prigioni was a 34 year old rookie and it was tough to expect him to be good.

      Number 1 turned out to be wrong, teams seem to relish the chance to prove that Lin was just as bad as they evaluated him before the draft (turns out people don’t like admitting they’re wrong, who knew?) Number 2 is iffy, he certainly had some nice moments, but he also got benched for Toney Douglas and Patrick Beverly late in games and was an obviously terrible fit next to Harden. In the playoffs he played worse than pretty much anyone else in the league. Not a dude you want to count on being good. As for number 3, Prigs has blown away pretty much everyone’s expectations, to the point that people seem to forget that he spent most of the season afraid to take shots and are calling him better than Felton. Jason Kidd turned out to bomb right now of course, but he was incredible early on and has been playing mostly off the…

    89. Brian Cronin

      Brian I think we all know how these “discussions” will go lol.

      Ha! True, but at least it will be a reasonable time to have such discussions! Not right before the Knicks play their biggest game of the season! Especially since, as you note, it is easy for people to know to avoid the site after the Knicks are eliminated. Harder to avoid when the Knicks are about to play a big game. So I imagine most people weren’t expecting to sign in today to see a Lin discussion, of all things!

    90. Bison

      jon abbey:
      this thread is as sad as the state of the Knicks.

      The Knicks are in a bind, for sure. A fan can be deeply depressed, or angry. I choose to be angry.

      and Jeremy Lin is fucking awful, the next good playoff game he plays will be his first.

      Yeah right. An 18/7 player who can consistently attack the rim is not what the Knicks need right now, nope.

    91. Owen

      Yeah, I would third the call to save the postmortems until the patient is in fact dead.

      Re Durant, I think the biggest thing I saw was too much auxiliary ballhandling and clear signs of fatigue. But overall, given a very impressive defensive effort from the Griz, he played ok. Hard to fault him anyway. Everyone’s play falls off in the playoffs in any reasonable sample, Durant and Lebron are no exceptions. I think they missed Westbrook in all phases but his loss was not the only key factor and the Griz deserve full marks for their performance.

    92. Brian Cronin

      I think you can definitely fault Brooks. The guy literally does not have any plays on offense! If you build your offense around “They can’t double both Durant and Westbrook, so one of those two will always be open” then you’re not going to adapt well when suddenly one of those guys is not there. How do you not prepare your team for that eventuality?

    93. johnlocke

      Watched the last 2 games with one of my best friends at my place. He called to watch the game again together, I told him to make other plans…yeh it’s that serious. #BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY

    94. nyk8806

      Juany8: In the playoffs he played worse than pretty much anyone else in the league.

      Come on dude, this was his first playoff series against the #1 seed, and he was injured for about a third of his minutes. Not saying it’s an excuse (and he didn’t either, btw), but on balance I wouldn’t say his future is doomed because of what happened against OKC. If we want to find guards who are inconsistent and/or flame out in the playoffs for whatever reason, we only need look in the mirror.

    95. MeloDrama

      BigBlueAL:
      I will just lastly say this, these Knicks are a very good team.Losing to the Pacers doesnt change that.The Pacers themselves are a very good team and have been for 2 seasons in a row now.They are also a pretty tough matchup for the Knicks.Yes I think the Knicks are better and will be disappointed if they lose to them.But again that doesnt change the fact the Knicks are still a very good team who should still be very good next season.

      Yeah, everyone looking for a reason to point the finger is ignoring the very likely scenerio that the team doesn’t look as good as it did this season, when healthy, simply because it isn’t healthy anymore.

      IMO people underrate what Chandler brings when he’s right. We can go small because he keeps us competitive on the glass and protects the middle so well. He can’t move right now, and Hibbert can just sit in the middle and take advantage.

    96. Brian Cronin

      Chandler right now reminds me of A-Rod last postseason. In both cases, they (and the team) kept insisting that they were healthy and it was just a coincidence that they looked like shadows of their former selves. Dudes, what do you gain by denying a player is injured when he’s clearly injured?

    97. Bison

      Juany8: How on earth is it possible that you watched the Rockets series and came away with the impression that Lin would help [the Knicks]?

      Because if Lin were with the Knicks, he would be running the offense, not relagated to the corner as he was with the Rockets. As the back-to-back ass-whoopings of the Pacers last year would suggest, he would be running it very, very well. Do you seriously think that the Knicks aren’t desperately in need of an 18/7 player who’s been shooting .461 the last two months (.381 on treys)?

      The Rockets were well on their way to making a comeback and playing a game 7 at OKC before Lin came back from his injury and fucked it all up. There was an almost direct correlation between how much time Lin was playing and how many points the Thunder were going up by. They won the 2 games where he didn’t play a single minute.

      Lin never “came back” from his injury. He was still so hurt when he returned that he could barely lift his arms. He returned only because pundits would have questioned his manhood and assassinated his character if he had continued to sit.

    98. Brian Cronin

      While I think a Lin discussion right now is silly, I definitely know we’re not going to be getting into a “name-calling” discussion here. I’ve already edited one comment and I’ll just start deleting ‘em if that continues.

    99. DRed

      Brooks should be fired for playing the rotting corpse of Kendrik Perkins so much. He was actually a decent player when the team got him, but he hasn’t been good for years. I’ve been killing Woody for playing certain guys too much, but at least most of those guys were good sometime this year.

      As far as Durant, it would be fascinating to see how he could play as the initiator of the offense with a training camp with that role under his belt.

    100. DRed

      Turning to Chandler’s inept rebounding, K Mart has also snagged 11 defensive boards this series, so I’m not sure what Woody can do. I’d play Camby, but I dont see him in practice so I have no idea if he has anything to offer.

    101. Brian Cronin

      Camby must just be totally out of shape (on top of having sex with Woody’s wife, of course).

    102. ruruland

      DRed:
      Brooks should be fired for playing the rotting corpse of Kendrik Perkins so much.He was actually a decent player when the team got him, but he hasn’t been good for years.I’ve been killing Woody for playing certain guys too much, but at least most of those guys were good sometime this year.

      As far as Durant, it would be fascinating to see how he could play as the initiator of the offense with a training camp with that role under his belt.

      He’d play very well. He’s got good court vision and demands a lot of help defense attacking from the top.

      He could play pg for you if you had a different kind of offense and personnel.

      would his efficiency go down quite a bit? Yeah, bad apples, he’s forced to create in sub-optimal areas off the dribble. That doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be excellent, it’s just the nature of the role that wouldn’t be adjusted for statistically.

      He’s not a pick and role pg who can maintain his dribble in space, so he’ll naturally have very high usage in such a role.

      He’d probably pick up even more cheap fouls.

    103. ruruland

      Owen:
      Yeah, I would third the call to save the postmortems until the patient is in fact dead.

      Re Durant, I think the biggest thing I saw was too much auxiliary ballhandling and clear signs of fatigue. But overall, given a very impressive defensive effort from the Griz, he played ok. Hard to fault him anyway. Everyone’s play falls off in the playoffs in any reasonable sample, Durant and Lebron are no exceptions. I think they missed Westbrook in all phases but his loss was not the only key factor and the Griz deserve full marks for their performance.

      Owen was as pleased with Durant’s game 5 as he was with Chandler’s game 4.

      Only WOW players are granted excuses.

    104. ruruland

      Owen drops by to praise Durant, who he believes is lightyears ahead of Melo, when Durant, statistically, just came off the worst game of the playoffs between the two in a closeout contest at home, with an offensive rating of 75 and game score 7.5 (for as bad as Melo has been, he hasn’t had an offensive rating below 83 in the playoffs)….

      Letting us know that Paul George, he of 22 turnovers and 23 made field goals in the series, is better than Melo…

      All the while….

      Praising Tyson Chandler who has half as many defensive rebounds as his opponent has offensive rebounds, without ever mentioning the name Roy Hibbert.

      Owen is the rational one, right? I’m the fanboy, correct?

    105. thenamestsam

      Hey all you haters can shit on Chandler all you want, but he may have struck a decisive blow in this series when he concussed George Hill. Your rebounding numbers can’t account for that. :)

      Honestly this is HUGE for the Knicks. Hill is an extremely important player for the Pacers on offense and any injury forces them to delve deeper into their extremely weak bench. Augustin starts, and I assume Stephenson and George will have to do more backup ball handling duties. I can’t imagine they plan to play the lesser Hansborough. They are a seriously shallow team. If Hill misses game 6 as well, all bets are off.

    106. ruruland

      Not out of question Hill could miss rest of series as precaution for second-concussion syndrome, given how symptoms arose day after. (I did concussion/head trauma enterprise piece few years ago)

      “George Hill’s symptoms got worse today, necessitating test, which he failed. Experience with Mets concussions, not something to take lightly…”

      Popper.

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