bobneptune: yes… always erect a straw man why your argument is specious.

no…. my conclusion is miller, gallo and mozgov makes denver a far better team today then the knicks and a far better team than the pre trade nuggets.

add ill will, a 2014 #1, a 2016 potential flip of #1?s, and 2 2013 #2?s and it becomes an extremely dumb trade when they could have sat chilly, won precisely as many payoff games as the past 2 seasons at a minimum, could have signed melo for nothing or if he forced a trade to the nyets , gone in a million other directions like having pieces to trade for d- will or cp3 or had a ton of empty cap space to sign ufa’s or rfa’s and kept the draft choices.

they were 2 games over .500 at the moment of the trade with the team in turmoil all season and a year later they are 6 games over 500. whoopie. the only difference is they are now hamstrung cap-wise with incompatible stars and have no draft choices moving forward.

but… all is not lost…. jimmy d got his ticket hike and all the “sophisticated” fans got their “star”.

that is my conclusion……

bobneptune: yes… always erect a straw man why your argument is specious.

no…. my conclusion is miller, gallo and mozgov makes denver a far better team today then the knicks and a far better team than the pre trade nuggets.

add ill will, a 2014 #1, a 2016 potential flip of #1?s, and 2 2013 #2?s and it becomes an extremely dumb trade when they could have sat chilly, won precisely as many payoff games as the past 2 seasons at a minimum, could have signed melo for nothing or if he forced a trade to the nyets , gone in a million other directions like having pieces to trade for d- will or cp3 or had a ton of empty cap space to sign ufa’s or rfa’s and kept the draft choices.

they were 2 games over .500 at the moment of the trade with the team in turmoil all season and a year later they are 6 games over 500. whoopie. the only difference is they are now hamstrung cap-wise with incompatible stars and have no draft choices moving forward.

but… all is not lost…. jimmy d got his ticket hike and all the “sophisticated” fans got their “star”.

that is my conclusion……

bobneptune: you still haven’t explained why the nyets want amar’e with a bad disc and due 65 million over 3 years. they’d be better off without amar’e and have only 15 million on the books for next year if both d-will and wallace opt out.

Each team has to use up at least 85% of the cap. So they have to spend it on somebody.

2FOR18: The Nets’ motivation is that Deron (and Wallace) is leaving anyway, along with the fear that no one of import will sign there.If the decision is made to try to move Amare because he’s a bad fit with melo and Tyson, then the Nets might be just the kind of desperate team we should deal with.

How about this:
A sign and trade of G Wallace for Amare.
Pay Wallace 10 mil a year and give Lin the MLE.
Then there’s plenty left over to get Nash if he’s willing, plus sign a FA like OJ Mayo, Ray Allen, Grant Hill, Brandon Bass, Kenyon Martin, Camby, Stiemsma….

Nash
Mayo
Wallace
melo
Tyson

bench of Lin, Shump, Fields, Jorts, J Jordan, Jeffries, tddwtdd

you still haven’t explained why the nyets want amar’e with a bad disc and due 65 million over 3 years. they’d be better off without amar’e and have only 15 million on the books for next year if both d-will and wallace opt out.

er:
Yes so your conclusion is that miller is better then melo ok then

yes… always erect a straw man why your argument is specious.

no…. my conclusion is miller, gallo and mozgov makes denver a far better team today then the knicks and a far better team than the pre trade nuggets.

add ill will, a 2014 #1, a 2016 potential flip of #1′s, and 2 2013 #2′s and it becomes an extremely dumb trade when they could have sat chilly, won precisely as many payoff games as the past 2 seasons at a minimum, could have signed melo for nothing or if he forced a trade to the nyets , gone in a million other directions like having pieces to trade for d- will or cp3 or had a ton of empty cap space to sign ufa’s or rfa’s and kept the draft choices.

they were 2 games over .500 at the moment of the trade with the team in turmoil all season and a year later they are 6 games over 500. whoopie. the only difference is they are now hamstrung cap-wise with incompatible stars and have no draft choices moving forward.

but… all is not lost…. jimmy d got his ticket hike and all the “sophisticated” fans got their “star”.

that is my conclusion……

bobneptune: just curious what the nyets gain from swapping d-will for amar’e with a bad disc? i mean other than consciously making the knicks enormously better.

they don’t need to swallow amar’e contract and hamstring their cap for the next 4 years to get lin, they have plenty of cap space today and loads more should williams and wallacechose not to exercise their player options and become ufas.

The Nets’ motivation is that Deron (and Wallace) is leaving anyway, along with the fear that no one of import will sign there. If the decision is made to try to move Amare because he’s a bad fit with melo and Tyson, then the Nets might be just the kind of desperate team we should deal with.

How about this:
A sign and trade of G Wallace for Amare.
Pay Wallace 10 mil a year and give Lin the MLE.
Then there’s plenty left over to get Nash if he’s willing, plus sign a FA like OJ Mayo, Ray Allen, Grant Hill, Brandon Bass, Kenyon Martin, Camby, Stiemsma….

Nash
Mayo
Wallace
melo
Tyson

bench of Lin, Shump, Fields, Jorts, J Jordan, Jeffries, tddwtdd

bobneptune: they don’t need to swallow amar’e contract and hamstring their cap for the next 4 years to get lin, they have plenty of cap space today and loads more should williams and wallace chose not to exercise their player options and become ufas.

Well, i believe that Amare is still a really good player. A star in this league; the problem is that he doesn’t fit with Melo and we get diminishing returns, while his defense is lacking respective to a lot of guys whose offense could be compatible with Melo.

I still think Amare is capable of 22ppg 8rbg +58%TS, in a system with the offense around him.

I am not sure where Amare turned from being incompatible with Melo and play bad defense to be an useless bag of flesh (like Eddy Curry).

er:
Yes so your conclusion is that miller is better then melo ok then

bobneptune: hey er,

don’t blame the messenger.

you were the one who made the smarmy comment that gallo and mozgov had little to do with the knuggets clubbing of the lakers winning their 3rd game from the vaunted lakers.

i merely pointed out one of the components in the melo trade that created the resurgent knuggets was felton who begat miller who was an integral part in the enormous knugget victory last night, whether the denizens of denver like miller or not.

he was an enormous part of the last 2 knugget victories which just happen to be 2 more playoff wins than the knicks have this millennia with the vaunted chucker melo.

sorry the facts are so disquieting.

iserp:
Lin will take the MLE or higher, and in case we want both Nash and Lin, Nash should be the one giving up money. I’d rather have Nash and Lin here, but we also should look for another PG, becasue Nash ain’t playing 40 mpg during the regular season. However, he would make our offense beautiful.

Another possibility nobody has discussed here is a S&T of Amare with the agreement of not matching offers for Lin. That would also gives us the MLE to spend. For example, Lin signs an offer sheet from Brooklyn of $8 million per year, then we S&T Amare for Deron Williams and don’t match the offer for Lin. Then we spend the MLE in whoever (Garnett… for example). That would probably be the best case scenario for us. And it is not bad for Brooklyn, Lin would attract a lot of fans, and Amare for all his defensive shortcomings, can carry a team offensively Lin/MarShon Brooks/Gerald Wallace/ Stoudemire/Brook Lopez almost looks like a playoff team.

just curious what the nyets gain from swapping d-will for amar’e with a bad disc? i mean other than consciously making the knicks enormously better.

they don’t need to swallow amar’e contract and hamstring their cap for the next 4 years to get lin, they have plenty of cap space today and loads more should williams and wallace chose not to exercise their player options and become ufas.