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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Mar 15 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Logic at loss in Dolan’s MSG (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:13:35 GMT)
    There was James Dolan, leading the 6 o’clock news for sports Wednesday night. There was Dolan, the one thing that never changes with the Knicks, talking about more change for his loser basketball team.

  • [New York Daily News] Calipari not interested in Knicks gig (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:17:40 GMT)
    Kentucky coach John Calipari didn’t take long to respond to speculation that he might follow in the footsteps former UK coach Rick Pitino and return to the NBA after Mike D’Antoni resigned from the Knicks Wednesday.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks take Blazers to Wood-shed, 121-79 (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:01:40 GMT)
    All it took was a simple coaching change – and an opponent perhaps even deeper in disarray – for the Knicks to eradicate their six-game losing streak and to start bringing back the good vibes at the Garden.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ Lin: I owe D’Antoni thanks (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 06:52:47 GMT)
    Harvard coach Tommy Amaker was at the podium Wednesday for a press conference before his team began practice for its NCAA Tournament game in Albuquerque, N.M., Thursday when he was informed that Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni had resigned.

  • [New York Daily News] Amar’e: Players made D’Antoni ‘look bad’ (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 06:11:16 GMT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire believes that Mike D’Antoni resigned because “everyone wasn’t buying into his systemâ? and that it made the Knicks former head coach “look bad.â?

  • [New York Daily News] Jackson, Calipari head Knicks’ coaching search (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:46:15 GMT)
    Here’s a look at some of the potential candidates for the Knicks’ heading coaching job.

  • [New York Daily News] Timeline: D’Antoni’s time runs out as Knicks coach (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:39:43 GMT)
    After four-plus seasons coaching the Suns (including two seasons with at least 60 wins), Mike D’Antoni signs 4-year, $24 million deal to succeed Isiah Thomas, who leaves disgraced by sexual harassment case.

  • [New York Daily News] D’Antoni resigns as Knicks coach (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:27:39 GMT)
    In a surprise move, Mike D’Antoni resigned as Knicks coach Wednesday in a mutual decision with team owner Jim Dolan, according to a person close to D’Antoni.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks new coach has ties to Isiah, Brown (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:21:14 GMT)
    Leave it to James Dolan to hire a head coach with ties to both Isiah Thomas and Larry Brown.

  • [New York Daily News] Calipari says forget Knicks, Wildcats are purr-fect (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:23:00 GMT)
    Kentucky coach John Calipari didn’t take long to respond to speculation that he might follow in the footsteps of former UK coach Rick Pitino and return to the NBA after Mike D’Antoni resigned from the Knicks.

  • [New York Daily News] Don’t expect Jackson action for Knicks replacement (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:15:22 GMT)
    The very best coaches often look at four major factors when considering an NBA head coaching vacancy: Who’s the owner? Who’s the GM? Are there any superstars/what kind of shape is the roster in? What’s the salary?

  • [New York Daily News] New Mike gets win from new Knicks (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:31:44 GMT)
    All it took was a simple coaching change â?? and an opponent perhaps even deeper in disarray â?? for the Knicks to eradicate their six-game losing streak and to start bringing back the good vibes at the Garden with their largest margin of victory of the season.

  • [New York Times] On Basketball: Harvey Araton — Without Walsh, D’Antoni’s Clock Was Ticking (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:50:06 GMT)
    Once the Knicks’ owner, James L. Dolan, undermined the team president to acquire Carmelo Anthony last year, the team was doomed to confrontation and chaos.

  • [New York Times] Mike D’Antoni Resigns as Knicks’ Coach (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 06:12:12 GMT)
    Coach Mike D’Antoni is leaving in his fourth season, with the Knicks on a six-game losing streak and his offensive system at odds with the style of play of the star player Carmelo Anthony.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 121, Blazers 79: After Knicks’ Rout, Gratitude to D’Antoni (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:54:06 GMT)
    If a game could mirror group therapy, the Knicks found their breakthrough hours after Mike D’Antoni’s resignation, blowing out the Blazers at Madison Square Garden.

  • [New York Times] Nets 98, Raptors 84: Nets Beat the Raptors, but Their Thoughts Are on Dwight Howard (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 06:09:07 GMT)
    For the Nets, beating a fellow bottom-dweller of the Eastern Conference mattered little compared with the looming Dwight Howard situation in Orlando.

  • [New York Times] Howard Urges Magic Not to Pull Trigger on Trade (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:56:21 GMT)
    The Orlando Magic are out of time waiting for Superman.

  • [New York Times] US Player in Japan Accused of Smuggling Drugs (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:26:25 GMT)
    Former Indiana player Lynn Washington was arrested for allegedly trying to smuggle marijuana into Japan from the United States.

  • [New York Times] Williams, Bledsoe Lead Clippers Past Hawks 96-82 (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:20:35 GMT)
    Mo Williams scored 25 points and fellow reserve Eric Bledsoe added 14 on a relatively quiet night by Blake Griffin and Chris Paul, leading the Los Angeles Clippers to a 96-82 victory over the Atlanta Hawks on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Frye, Gortat Help Suns Rally Past Jazz (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:11:59 GMT)
    Channing Frye scored 26 points, Marcin Gortat had 25 and the Phoenix Suns overcome a 13-point deficit to beat the Utah Jazz 120-111 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Garnett Leads Celtics Past Warriors 105-104 (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:35:33 GMT)
    Kevin Garnett scored 12 of his 24 points in the fourth quarter, including a tiebreaking jumper with 5.1 seconds left that led the Boston Celtics to a 105-103 victory over the Golden State Warriors on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Overcome Rose Absence to Beat Heat (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:04:04 GMT)
    The Chicago Bulls overcame the absence of league MVP Derrick Rose to earn a 106-102 win over the Miami Heat on Wednesday with third-string point guard John Lucas III scoring 24 points to emerge as an unlikely game winner.

  • [New York Times] Stuckey, Monroe Lead Pistons Past Kings 124-112 (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:56:31 GMT)
    Rodney Stuckey scored 35 points and Greg Monroe had 32 for the Detroit Pistons, who used a huge third-quarter effort to pull away from the Sacramento Kings for a 124-112 victory Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Lucas III Scores 24, Bulls Beat Heat 106-102 (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:47:25 GMT)
    John Lucas III scored 24 points, and the Chicago Bulls beat the Miami Heat 106-102 without Derrick Rose in a charged showdown between the Eastern Conference’s top two teams on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Rout Blazers After D’Antoni’s Departure (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:17:44 GMT)
    Maybe Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks never would have got it right under Mike D’Antoni.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Win Big in Coach Woodson’s Debut (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:54:53 GMT)
    Mike Woodson did not have long to wait for his first win as new coach of the New York Knicks as his team trampled the Portland Trail Blazers 121-79 at Madison Square Garden on Wednesday to end a six-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Howard Loses in Possibly Last Game With Magic (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:35:30 GMT)
    Dwight Howard lost perhaps his last game with the Orlando Magic, declaring before a 122-111 loss to the San Antonio Spurs on Wednesday night that he won’t surrender his right to become a free agent this summer.

  • [New York Times] Bryant Leads Lakers Past Hornets in OT, 107-101 (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:23:34 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant scored 33 points, and the Los Angeles Lakers won their fourth straight game and second in a row in overtime, 107-101 over the New Orleans Hornets on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Coach D’Antoni Resigns as Knicks Skid (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:08:21 GMT)
    Maybe there’s a big-name coach out there who can bring out the best in Carmelo Anthony and the New York Knicks.

  • [New York Times] Gooden’s Triple-Double Helps Bucks Top Cavs (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 02:41:58 GMT)
    Drew Gooden had 15 points, 10 rebounds and 13 assists for his second career triple-double, and the Milwaukee Bucks beat the Cleveland Cavaliers 115-105 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Scola, Dragic Lead Rockets’ Rout of Charlotte (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 02:41:57 GMT)
    Luis Scola scored 23 points, Goran Dragic had 14 points and 10 assists and the Houston Rockets routed the NBA-worst Charlotte Bobcats 107-87 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Rout Blazers After D’Antoni’s Departure (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 02:36:29 GMT)
    Mike D’Antoni is gone, and the Knicks finally got his offense right.

  • [New York Newsday] D'Antoni resigns as Knicks coach (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:43:34 EDT)
    In a surprising move Wednesday, Mike D'Antoni resigned as Knicks coach in what the team said was a mutual decision. Mike Woodson, who was D'Antoni's lead assistant, was named interim head coach.

  • [New York Newsday] Mike Woodson has a few changes in mind for Knicks (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:23:00 EDT)
    Mike Woodson was brought in to be Mike D'Antoni's defensive specialist. As the Knicks new interim coach, Woodson said he gradually will change how they play offensively.

  • [New York Newsday] Amar'e Stoudemire: Mike D'Antoni resigns based on frustration (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:32:00 EDT)
    Amar'e Stoudemire admitted that a division in the Knicks' locker room played a role in Mike D'Antoni's unexpected departure.

  • [New York Newsday] Carmelo Anthony denies he wants to be traded (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:25:29 EDT)
    Carmelo Anthony spent part of Wednesday morning refuting a report that he wanted to be traded and saying he supports Mike D'Antoni. Anthony will spend much longer trying to convince everyone he didn't have a hand in D'Antoni's exiting the Knicks Wednesday.

  • [New York Post] Carmelo Anthony enjoyed himself in Knicks’ first game since D’Antoni resigned: Vaccaro (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:14:31 -0500)
    You can call it coincidence. Maybe it was coincidence. Maybe Carmelo Anthony was simply due for this, due for 16 points and seven assists in 241â?2 minutes, due for actually cracking a smile on the Garden floor, due to play in a manner befitting both his talent and his…

  • [New York Post] Knicks search for replacement will be pure Philsanity (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:35:25 -0500)
    When the Knicks visited the Lakers in late December at Staples Center, Phil Jackson planned to sit in the front row with his girlfriend, and Lakers VP, Jeanie Buss.
    But at the last minute, Jackson pulled out, thinking it was unfair to Mike D’Antoni because his presence would be…

  • [New York Post] D’Antoni resigns amid disarray; Woodson takes over as Knicks coach (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:35:25 -0500)
    Mike D’Antoni told interim general manager Glen Grunwald in a meeting before Wednesday’s morning shootaround he didn’t feel he could “positively affect the team” anymore.
    More to the point, D’Antoni no longer felt he could “positively affect” Carmelo Anthony to buy into his speedball system and…

  • [New York Post] Amar’e: Team wasn’t â??buying into’ D’Antoni (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:58:58 -0500)
    Amar’e Stoudemire did not name names, but he also didn’t sugarcoat the reason why Mike D’Antoni is no longer his coach.
    “He was frustrated that everyone wasn’t buying into the system,” Stoudemire said after the Knicks destroyed the Blazers, 121-79, in Mike Woodson’s coaching debut…

  • [New York Post] Carmelo wins the war (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:58:58 -0500)
    Who did you think would get run out of town first, the coach hired by Donnie Walsh? Or the pin-up player acquired by James Dolan?
    If only the Knicks’ owner also agreed to resign. Only in his case it wouldn’t be a “mutual’ decision, it would be “unanimous.â?
    That…

  • [New York Post] Knicks win laugher in Woodson’s debut (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:11:43 -0500)
    Mike D’Antoni wanted the Knicks to play with better defensive intensity.
    All it took it was him resigning.
    In the first game of the post-D’Antoni era, the Knicks proved they could play defense after all, and ended their six-game losing streak with a 121-79 romp over the Trail…

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Chandler on Melo boos: 'It's unfair criticism' (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:28:10 EDT)
    NEW YORK — New York may be the only city in the country where a large majority of hometown fans at a professional sporting event are not afraid to boo the superstar player.
    But, hey, that comes with the territory of being in the media capital of the world, and Carmelo Anthony knows it. Following the Knicks’ 121-79 blowout win over the Trail Blazers Wednesday night, he said the heightened pressure doesn’t bother him — even now as the Knicks have gone from 7-1 before his return on Feb.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Grunwald: D'An made a 'selfless move' (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 02:16:28 EDT)
    Mike D’Antoni walked into the Knicks training facility on Wednesday morning knowing he no longer wanted to coach the team.
    Before shoot around on Wednesday, he talked to interim GM Glen Grunwald, informing him that he’d been thinking about stepping down.
    Grunwald was caught off guard.
    “I said, ‘What do you really want to do, Mike?’ And he clarified that he thought it was best for the team,” Grunwald said.
    Grunwald called MSG chairman James Dolan, who went to the Westchester training center for what he called a “very honest” conversation with D’Antoni.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Woodson: I'll hold Knicks accountable (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:08:43 EDT)
    If nothing else, Mike Woodson’s Knicks will be held accountable.
    Woodson made that point loud and clear after his first game as the team’s interim head coach.
    “I’m going to do everything I can possibly do to win basketball games, that’s my job,” Woodson said. “I’m going to be held accountable and I’m going to make damn sure that (the players are) held accountable to win.”
    Woodson got his first win as Knicks coach on Wednesday night, a 121-79 rout of Portland — the Knicks’ largest margin of victory this year.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Melo on D'An: 'We never had any issues' (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:57:39 EDT)

    Carmelo Anthony insists that he had no bearing on Mike D’Antoni’s decision to step down as head coach of the Knicks.
    “I didn’t have anything to do with that. That was coach’s decision. I really didn’t know … what he was thinking as far as his decision to step down,” Anthony said hours after the Knicks announced that they’d mutually agreed to part ways with D’Antoni.
    Anthony insisted that he “never had any issues” with D’Antoni, for whom he played 59 games over two seasons.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Lin 'very emotional' about D'Antoni news (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:40:12 EDT)
    NEW YORK — To Jeremy Lin, Mike D’Antoni was more than his Knicks head coach. He was his career savior.
    After going undrafted, not getting a real shot with three NBA teams (the Mavericks, Warriors and Rockets) and being sent down to the D-League three times, Lin found himself at the end of the Knicks’ bench — wondering, praying, hoping he would get a chance.
    Then, on Feb. 4 against the Nets, Lin’s world as he knew it changed forever. With 3:34 to play in the first quarter, D’Antoni called Lin’s name for him to sub in for Iman Shumpert.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Amare: We didn't all buy in, so MDA quit (Thu, 15 Mar 2012 00:31:07 EDT)
    NEW YORK — Mike D’Antoni wanted to run his offense a certain way. He wanted to showcase the pick-and-roll and let the point guard lead a free-flowing system.
    The entire team didn’t buy into that. So he walked.
    That was the reason Amare Stoudemire gave when asked why D’Antoni surprisingly stepped down as head coach, hourse before the Knicks demolished the lowly Portland Trail Blazers on Wednesday night, 121-79 at Madison Square Garden.

  • 126 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Mar 15 2012)

    1. Gideon Zaga

      Aaaaah what a beautiful day people, feels like Christmas Morning. Thank you Mr. Dolan, glad to see he came bearing gifts last night. Seriously though what the fuck took him so long. Go Knicks!!!

    2. Frank

      meanwhile check out Nate Robinson getting 37 min of burn in GSW last night, netting 20 pts, 11 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals. Good for him.

    3. er

      I wake up today still stunned that so many supposed nix fans are upset about mda leaving. After all the name calling, mismanagement etc. Idk maybe I’m crazy but hey I guess he is better than the devil reincarnate #7…… alotta teams need new voices and then they excel…. His “system” sucked, linsanity was a mirage these are all facts that some people don’t want to face but they are facts.

      The team actually started playing Better in Chi so good job by them carrying over and good win last night although it appears that I am in the majority in celebrating a 42 freaking point win lmao gotta love ny

    4. er

      I meant minority

      er:
      I wake up today still stunned that so many supposed nix fans are upset about mda leaving. After all the name calling, mismanagement etc. Idk maybe I’m crazy but hey I guess he is better than the devil reincarnate #7…… alotta teams need new voices and then they excel…. His “system” sucked, linsanity was a mirage these are all facts that some people don’t want to face but they are facts.

      The team actually started playing Better in Chi so good job by them carrying over and good win last night although it appears that I am in the majority in celebrating a 42 freaking point win lmao gotta love ny

    5. 2FOR18

      Frank: meanwhile check out Nate Robinson getting 37 min of burn in GSW last night, netting 20 pts, 11 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals. Good for him.

      Yeah, he should get most of the mins at pg for them from now on. Let’s see what he can do. GS is in full tank mode, and S Curry has a glass right ankle.

    6. Owen

      “I believe in our players,” Dolan said Wednesday. “I believe in our talent. I believe in their commitment to get the team together and get this right. I believe we have the talent and character to succeed.”

      Thanks Jimmy, I feel so much better about things hearing that from you…

    7. Caleb

      er:
      linsanity was a mirage these are all facts that some people don’t want to face but they are facts.

      Let’s check in.. Lin has played more than 750 minutes now…

      Per 36 minutes: 20.3 points, 8.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 5 TOs…
      54.5 TS%, .480 eFG%, .317 3-pt%… assist rate 27.1..
      .131 ws/48, 20.3 PER

      He’s still 4th in usage rate, among all PGs, at 28.1.

    8. Caleb

      (NOTE: Caleb posted this in a thread Mike accidentally posted twice. I deleted the thread and am now re-posting Caleb’s comment, hence my avatar appearing with his name. – BC)

      It was all going fast and furious yesterday, and doesn’t seem that much left to say. But I’ll try.

      MDA as a good coach but he really was a dead man walking this team isn’t what he signed up for, and he couldn’t fake it. If Donald Sterling wasn’t known as El Cheapo, I’d say Mike would end up with the Clips next year. Most of the better teams look pretty set, coaching-wise.

      People dissing him for defense (I’m looking at you, Stephen A.) just reveal they have no idea what they’re talking about. The results speak for themselves. The criticism that he was too inflexible and couldn’t make the offense work, has more substance. This year was a dilemma – with vintage Melo and Stoudemire, of course it’s a mistake not to feed them more often. This year? Melo shooting 40%, both guys around a 50% TS? You’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. Some people are blaming MDA for those struggles but as Hollinger pointed out, who was coaching those two big stars when they played well last season?

      MDA’s rep will get dinged the next two months because the Knicks are pretty likely to improve their record, without him. Some of it is just the odds – the Knicks were actually outscoring their opponents, even at 18-23, so some of the misery was just bad luck. And we finally have a full roster, after no BD, no Lin for 20 games, an injured Melo, etc. But the naysayers will gloat.

      That’s not a knock on Woody. He’s a perfectly competent coach, even if his teams aren’t as fun to watch. One thing I like – which other people have pointed out – is that he’s much more willing to get on players behinds when things go wrong. That rubbed the young guys the wrong way, in Atlanta, but this team needs it.

      The guy who suffers most is Jeremy Lin – if we’re going to run the iso-Joe offense with Carmelo, that makes Lin a spot-up shooter which is definitely not his strength. Of course BD is even worse.

      On the bright side, between the change in offense and the inevitable backlash, maybe we can re-sign Lin without using the whole mid-level, and save that for someone else!?!?!?!?

      Probably not..

    9. Frank

      Interesting and probably appropriate quote from Ian O’Connor’s article today:

      “”Management was concerned that Mike wasn’t fighting hard enough to save himself,” said one source close to the situation. “He was like a bloodied boxer just waiting for the ref to stop the fight.””

      That quote, combined with Harvey Araton’s column in the NYT today makes it pretty clear that MDA knew he was gone as soon as the Melo trade went through last year and especially when Donnie got the boot. Tough to coach when you know no one has your back.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/15/sports/basketball/mike-dantonis-resignation-tied-to-james-l-dolan.html?ref=sports&pagewanted=all

      http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7689054/new-york-knicks-not-expect-phil-jackson-save-them

    10. Caleb

      Caleb:
      (NOTE: Caleb posted this in a thread Mike accidentally posted twice. I deleted the thread and am now re-posting Caleb’s comment, hence my avatar appearing with his name. – BC)

      Thanks, Brian!

      I (or Jim Carroll) look good as a dog…

    11. Frank

      Caleb:

      The guy who suffers most is Jeremy Lin – if we’re going to run the iso-Joe offense with Carmelo, that makes Lin a spot-up shooter which is definitely not his strength. Of course BD is even worse.

      I’m going to hold out hope that we combine iso-Joe with some MDA-style offense. There’s no doubt that we have good personnel for the PNR.

      I’m feeling more and more optimistic that this is all for the best, no matter how ugly it was yesterday. I think one way or another, MDA was gone at the end of this year, and sort of regardless of who was at fault, we were headed off a cliff this season. So at the end of the day, we give Woodson a chance and still get to hopefully go for JVG or even Thibs? How weird is it that Thibs doesn’t have a contract extension?

    12. kaine

      mda coached as he played: pg runs the show.
      I remember his playing days in italy : during a timeout, his coach would talk just to him. he was mentored this way, that’s his style.
      I hope he ends up with cris paul.

      “In Coach’s system, the point guard is the man,” one Knicks player told me. “He runs the show. So long as Coach is happy with him, the point guard can do whatever the hell he wants, when he wants, to whomever he wants, including the stars. Even if the dude was just in the D-League around Christmas time.”

      No wonder D’Antoni is gone.

      Contrary to popular belief, acrimony is not what plagued Melo’s relationship with D’Antoni or caused Stoudemire’s growing frustration. No one disliked D’Antoni. No one thought he was a bad person. It’s just that seemingly everyone outside of Lin, Tyson Chandler and possibly Baron Davis thought D’Antoni’s system was an exercise in futility.

      The D’Antoni detractors felt the Knicks’ defense was porous at times not because they couldn’t play it, but because they jacked up shots too quickly, too unexpectedly, preventing their defense from getting back and getting set. Then there was Melo being forced to play the point when he didn’t want to. Stoudemire being forced to accept the role as a third wheel — forced to watch Melo head to All-Star weekend while he sat home with everyone questioning whether he’d lost his skills — was particularly piercing to the Knicks’ $100 million power forward.

      Neither star will say anything about it, of course. It wouldn’t get them anywhere in a town constantly in search of villains. But their feelings were real. And if anyone noticed it, Dolan did.

      “I believe in our players,” Dolan said Wednesday. “I believe in our talent. I believe in their commitment to get the team together and get this right. I believe we have the talent and character to succeed.”

    13. Caleb

      Yeah Frank ,don’t get me wrong, i don’t think the firing hurts the team (or helps it). It’s just a depressing reminder of the roster moves that landed us in capped out mediocrity. Unless Lin turns into something special. But I will try and muster some enthusiasm.

    14. Brian Cronin

      I was so confident D’Antoni was gone that the news didn’t even faze me. It’s like Roddy Roddy Piper said so eloquently, “I came here to chew bubble gum and kick some ass. And I’m all out of bubble gum.” D’Antoni was going to get fired or have Melo traded. And Melo wasn’t going to get traded.

      My only fear is that the team plays well enough that Woodson gets the job next year. And even that fear is likely not too realistic, as there are too many good coaches out there.

    15. Caleb

      @14 Steven A. never ceases to amaze. He was the biggest cheerleader for the trade, and said if it didn’t work, it would all be MDA’s fault. And now of course he is right! I am looking forward to his February 2013 column.

    16. Gideon Zaga

      More grease to Dolan’s elbow

      Frank:
      meanwhile check out Nate Robinson getting 37 min of burn in GSW last night, netting 20 pts, 11 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals.Good for him.

    17. Brian Cronin

      The Howard thing is fucking hilariously stupid. I mean, it is great for Orlando. I’m legitimately pleased for them to keep him for another year. But damn, that’s some stupid shit right there.

    18. Gideon Zaga

      Nice Z-manfic sage thoughts

      kaine:
      mda coached as he played: pg runs the show.
      I remember his playing days in italy : during a timeout, his coach would talk just to him. he was mentored this way, that’s his style.
      I hope he ends up with cris paul.

      “In Coach’s system, the point guard is the man,” one Knicks player told me. “He runs the show. So long as Coach is happy with him, the point guard can do whatever the hell he wants, when he wants, to whomever he wants, including the stars. Even if the dude was just in the D-League around Christmas time.”

      No wonder D’Antoni is gone.

      Contrary to popular belief, acrimony is not what plagued Melo’s relationship with D’Antoni or caused Stoudemire’s growing frustration. No one disliked D’Antoni. No one thought he was a bad person. It’s just that seemingly everyone outside of Lin, Tyson Chandler and possibly Baron Davis thought D’Antoni’s system was an exercise in futility.

      The D’Antoni detractors felt the Knicks’ defense was porous at times not because they couldn’t play it, but because they jacked up shots too quickly, too unexpectedly, preventing their defense from getting back and getting set. Then there was Melo being forced to play the point when he didn’t want to. Stoudemire being forced to accept the role as a third wheel — forced to watch Melo head to All-Star weekend while he sat home with everyone questioning whether he’d lost his skills — was particularly piercing to the Knicks’ $100 million power forward.

      Neither star will say anything about it, of course. It wouldn’t get them anywhere in a town constantly in search of villains. But their feelings were real. And if anyone noticed it, Dolan did.

      “I believe in our players,” Dolan said Wednesday. “I believe in our talent. I believe in their commitment to get the team together and get this right. I believe we have the talent and character to succeed.”

    19. Frank

      Caleb:
      Yeah Frank ,don’t get me wrong, i don’t think the firinghurts the team (or helps it). It’s just a depressing reminder of the roster moves that landed us in capped out mediocrity. Unless Lin turns into something special. But I will try and muster some enthusiasm.

      Well, I still hold out hope that maybe this will not be capped out mediocrity.

      Truth is – we still have a lot of offensive talent on this team. We also have 3.5 guys who are superlative defenders at their positions (Chandler, Jeffries, Shumpert, and Baron) for this year, although I guess we have no idea whether or not JJ and Baron will be back next year. My feeling is that if MDA gets a job somewhere next year, Jeffries will follow him. If Baron gets more burn here for the rest of the year and we make any kind of a playoff run, I can see him maybe signing on for another year since he is still getting paid $10M+ by the Cavs.

      Regardless of what people say about coaches, I strongly believe that coaches can make a BIG difference on the defensive end. Granted the Celts got Garnett, but the combo of Thibs + Rivers and Garnett’s team D helped turn guys like Ray Allen and Pierce into very good defenders. Even this year with Brandon Bass and a 52 year old Ray Allen they are really good. We have our Garnett in Tyson Chandler, and Shumpert will only get better. THe question is whether whoever our next coach is will be able to hide Amare well enough and get Melo to buy in. If it’s someone like JVG or Thibs, I think the defense might get a lot better.

      btw – Woodson may not have had great defensive teams in ATL but he also had pretty crappy defensive talent. Wasn’t he given a fair amount of the credit for Detroit’s defense with Wallace/Wallace and company?

    20. er

      I never said Lin couldn’t play I’m referring to him being the focal point of the offense…I love his game…I’m speaking only to him being the focal point of the offense @ this point of his career

      Caleb: Let’s check in.. Lin has played more than 750 minutes now…

      Per 36 minutes: 20.3 points, 8.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 5 TOs…
      54.5 TS%, .480 eFG%, .317 3-pt%… assist rate 27.1…131 ws/48, 20.3 PER

      He’s still 4th in usage rate, among all PGs, at 28.1.

    21. Gideon Zaga

      Btw side note, i love the mood of this board over the past 3 days, the day before the Bulls game the board was angry with the team’s defense, then after the Bulls game it was angry with Melo snapping on the offense, then it was mixed feelings yesterday until MDA gets fired and KB goes mad again haha and the Melo Knicks go ahead and win and today feels like the calm after the storm. Seriously most of you should consider therapy hahahah well except Thcj, for some reason I’m still surprised he hasn’t said anything, what is he waiting for some kinda stats. His character really intrigues me.

    22. jon abbey

      Caleb: Let’s check in.. Lin has played more than 750 minutes now…

      Per 36 minutes: 20.3 points, 8.6 assists, 2.6 steals, 5 TOs…
      54.5 TS%, .480 eFG%, .317 3-pt%… assist rate 27.1…131 ws/48, 20.3 PER

      He’s still 4th in usage rate, among all PGs, at 28.1.

      very deceptively strong overall numbers because of that incredible stretch where he took the league by surprise. he’s been a weak link in almost every game lately and probably should be coming off the bench in favor of Baron, who is much more used to starting. they can divide up the minutes each game depending on who looks better that night, but I still think the best comp for Lin is Barea.

    23. Caleb

      “Linsanity was a mirage.” I guess it’s true if people thought he was Chris Paul or Steve Nash. Short of that, I’m pretty optimistic, long-term. He’s only 23, and he’s played less than 30 games in his NBA career. His weaknesses – turnovers, and poor outside shooting – are the things that almost always improve. Depending how much, he could be an All-Star-type player. He’s already a solid NBA starter, in other words a lottery talent.

      Was he hurting Melo’s game? Hollinger had a pretty good breakdown yesterday:
      http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7687392/new-york-knicks-problems-bigger-coach

      “He [Carmelo] shot 39.3 percent in January, 39.8 percent in February and 38.9 percent in March.

      He’s at 40.1 percent at home and 39.9 percent on the road.

      He shoots 39.8 percent with Lin, 39.9 percent with Iman Shumpert and 40.1 percent with everybody else, according to NBA.com’s new whizbang stats tool.”

    24. er

      Melos shooting has sucked since he got hurt in Memphis no doubt..and he’s like 10 lbs overweight in my eyes so his lift is awful too…hopefully he finds a treadmill

      Caleb:
      “Linsanity was a mirage.” I guess it’s true if people thought he wasChris Paul or Steve Nash. Short of that, I’m pretty optimistic, long-term. He’s only 23, and he’s played less than 30 games in his NBA career. His weaknesses – turnovers, and poor outside shooting – are the things that almost always improve. Depending how much, he could be an All-Star-type player. He’s already a solid NBA starter, in other words a lottery talent.

      Was he hurting Melo’s game? Hollinger had a pretty good breakdown yesterday:
      http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7687392/new-york-knicks-problems-bigger-coach

      “He [Carmelo] shot 39.3 percent in January, 39.8 percent in February and 38.9 percent in March.

      He’s at 40.1 percent at home and 39.9 percent on the road.

      He shoots 39.8 percent with Lin, 39.9 percent with Iman Shumpert and 40.1 percent with everybody else, according to NBA.com’s new whizbang stats tool.”

    25. Caleb

      jon abbey: very deceptively strong overall numbers because of that incredible stretch where he took the league by surprise. he’s been a weak link in almost every game lately and probably should be coming off the bench in favor of Baron, who is much more used to starting. they can divide up the minutes each game depending on who looks better that night, but I still think the best comp for Lin is Barea.

      I know you are a fan of JJ but I’ve never seen the appeal. His best season by far (last year) he was worse than Lin now in every category, and of course he’s 27 now.
      http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/3055/jose-juan-barea

      Lin, just the last 10 games:
      32 minutes a game..
      per 36: 16.1 points, 8.2 assists, 2.5 steals, 4.7 TOs
      .497 TS%, .280 3-pt%

      He’s been pretty much the same, except shooting worse. He’s actually cut down on TOs, despite much tougher competition and all the scouting reports. (this includes the brutal Miami game, and the Boston loss). I know he’s handled a little less, but not by much.

      I am sort of a BD fan, but he’s shooting 30 percent and has never been a shooter so I don’t see the case for mixing up the lineup.

    26. Brian Cronin

      Howard is not yet officially off the table, right? Or has he officially signed the waiver? If he takes his time, doesn’t that really screw over the Nets? Because they can’t trade D-Will until Howard is definitely off the table.

    27. jon abbey

      Caleb, by Barea, I mostly mean the playoff version last year, the one that was unstoppable in crucial stretches. I think Lin can be an impact player off the bench where teams can’t gameplan for him so much, but I think as a starter, for this year anyway, he’ll be overmatched most games as he has been recently.

      “I am sort of a BD fan, but he’s shooting 30 percent and has never been a shooter so I don’t see the case for mixing up the lineup.”

      Baron gets people wide-open shots, shots that even an earthbound Amare and Jeffrightened can finish. I’d like to see him get a shot with the starters (including Shumpert at SG).

    28. Brian Cronin

      From an ESPN article about the Howard situation…

      The Nets, however, are adamant that they will not trade Williams before Thursday’s deadline, regardless of Howard’s decision, a source close to the situation said.

      The Nets, according to sources, believe it would be better to start from scratch rather than make a rash trade for a collection of players they do not want.

      I love the notion that the only options are “starting from scratch” and “having players they don’t want.”

    29. SSS

      That pretty much guarantees that the Knicks win the trade deadline, right?

      Brian Cronin: I should probably put up a trade deadline open thread later on today.

    30. Brian Cronin

      I’m filling out my bracket (last second, I know) and I think I will pick Kentucky to win it all, if only because then Calipari would be more likely to become the Knicks coach, and Dolan’s Law being what it is, that nightmare situation will likely happen. So I might as well win my pool based on it.

    31. Brian Cronin

      By the way, I forgot to mention this yesterday in the whole D’Antoni hullabaloo, but my latest LA Times Sports Legend is a basketball one. It tells the story of the first woman ever to be drafted by an NBA team.

      Check it out here.

    32. TelegraphedPass

      I’m in support of keeping and developing Lin. He’s a 6’3″ athletic point guard who scores well in isolation and has shown pretty rare ability to keep the ball alive when diving into the paint. As many smart people have said before me, he turns the ball over a lot but that should reduce with experience.

    33. art vandelay

      So I guess Señor Pringle´s ouster means no Nash next year, right? And didn´t Baron laud MDA´s system as a reason why he came to play for Knicks? Will handing the keys to Woodson/Phil Jackson mean he takes off as well? Trying to think what the collateral damage of the resignation means for player retainment or recruitment next summer, if anything…

    34. villainx

      My sense:

      Melo or Stat never got the affirmation they needed/deserved from D’Antoni, which in turn effected their ability to lead. I think the easiest example might be that if Melo had good position in the block and wasn’t given the ball (for which he pouted), Melo probably expected D’Antoni to say at some point something like, “Melo had good position, you guys have to get the ball to him there.”

      Wasn’t that the players were or weren’t buying in, because it seemed they were coming together, but they didn’t have faith in D’Antoni based on the way he was communicating or subbing or whatnot.

      D’Antoni didn’t get the affirmation he needed cause he felt like he was losing the team or frustrated by the losses, and he needed a pep talk. But management was more pragmatic and wasn’t willing to go all the way with him.

    35. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      jon abbey: very deceptively strong overall numbers because of that incredible stretch where he took the league by surprise. he’s been a weak link in almost every game lately and probably should be coming off the bench in favor of Baron, who is much more used to starting. they can divide up the minutes each game depending on who looks better that night, but I still think the best comp for Lin is Barea.

      What’s the best comparison for Davis, then? He’s got a TS% of .381 and a TOV% five points higher than Lin. A poor man’s Sebastian Telfair?

      No matter what your eyes tell you, no level of passing ability is going to make a guy shooting that efficiently at 20+ USG a good player to allocate minute to.

      Lin’s been not so great lately, but Davis has been wretched.

    36. KnicksFanInVA

      Nice article. Are NBA teams allowed to draft/sign female players today? Or is this no longer the case?

      Brian Cronin:
      By the way, I forgot to mention this yesterday in the whole D’Antoni hullabaloo, but my latest LA Times Sports Legend is a basketball one. It tells the story of the first woman ever to be drafted by an NBA team.

      Check it out here.

    37. Caleb

      @45 I would let the guy get more minutes before I write him off. He was out for a year, no training camp, etc. I don’t expect those shooting and TOV #s to stay that bad. (although as you can see I am a big Lin fan)

    38. Brian Cronin

      Nice article.

      Thanks!

      Are NBA teams allowed to draft/sign female players today? Or is this no longer the case?

      As I mentioned in the piece, the Jazz drafted a woman in 1977, so I don’t see why the rules would be different now. Although, the odds of a woman ever being one of the top 60 players in any given draft seems extremely unlikely. It is harder to do publicity stunts when you only have 2 picks instead of 13.

    39. jon abbey

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: What’s the best comparison for Davis, then? He’s got a TS% of .381 and a TOV% five points higher than Lin. A poor man’s Sebastian Telfair?

      No matter what your eyes tell you, no level of passing ability is going to make a guy shooting that efficiently at 20+ USG a good player to allocate minute to.

      Lin’s been not so great lately, but Davis has been wretched.

      Davis is getting better all the time, his cumulative numbers are irrelevant. 10 assists, 1 turnover in 18 minutes last night…

    40. jon abbey

      and if people want to blame someone (besides Dolan, the root of all Knicks evil) for D’Antoni’s being gone, blame Donnie Walsh for not taking a PG in 2009.

    41. Nick C.

      Brian Cronin: By the way, I forgot to mention this yesterday in the whole D’Antoni hullabaloo, but my latest LA Times Sports Legend is a basketball one. It tells the story of the first woman ever to be drafted by an NBA team.Check it out here.

      good sleuthing. I was expecting a story on Ann Meyers.

    42. Caleb

      jon abbey:
      and if people want to blame someone (besides Dolan, the root of all Knicks evil) for D’Antoni’s being gone, blame Donnie Walsh for not taking a PG in 2009.

      Ugh, the revenge of Jordan Hill. But IMO Lin patches it up pretty nicely. I’d put him in the ballpark with Lawson, Holliday and Jennings. he could turn out better than any of those guys, although at this point I’d probably have him #3 of the 4, as a prospect. In the NBA you can erase a lot of mistakes with just one smart move, or just one time getting lucky.

      Drafting where we’ve been, and giving away picks, it’s amazing we’ve added Lin, Shumpert, Fields and Harrelson to the roster the past two years. That’s more talent than you’d expect from a team with a couple of lotto picks.

      The infuriating thing is having ownership that punches a new hole every time you patch one up. At some point, like MDA, you just stop bailing.

    43. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, compare the Knicks’ picks with the Wizards’ lottery picks and the difference is amazing. Part of that comes from the Wizards getting stuck with the #1 pick in a draft with no clear #1, but still!

    44. Spree8

      FACT:
      BD: likely out after the season
      Lin: future PG of the Knicks

      Unless we are making a run for the title this year, there’s no reason to start Davis over Lin.

    45. massive

      Brian Cronin:
      Yeah, compare the Knicks’ picks with the Wizards’ lottery picks and the difference is amazing. Part of that comes from the Wizards getting stuck with the #1 pick in a draft with no clear #1, but still!

      I think John Wall will be a great basketball player. It just doesn’t help that his starting 5 consists of himself, Nick Young, Rashard “Please Use Your Amnesty On Me” Lewis, Andray Blatche, and Javale McGee. I’d trade him straight up for Lin, and I’d even throw in Toney Douglas.

    46. Frank

      I’m a big Lin fan but I think Davis has looked reasonably good lately. Still rusty, still making some poor decisions, but he’s played at least as good as Jeremy lately (especially if you take D into account).

      I think this is a good mix with the two of them. 26-28 min for J-Lin, 20-22 min for Baron with fluctuations based on who’s hot.

      Last 4 games for BD- (arbitrary I know) – per 36 #s.

      12.5 pts, 11.6 assists, 5.8 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 3.1 TOs on TS 52.3.
      Really not that bad.

      If you add Lin’s per 36 numbers (from above): per 36: 16.1 points, 8.2 assists, 2.5 steals, 4.7 TOs

      that is some pretty good PG play.

      If you allocate 30 min to Lin and 18 min to Baron, our combined per-48 PG play would = 19.7 points, 12.6 assists, 3 steals, 5.5 TOs.

    47. Frank O.

      You know, my wife is pretty ticked about this Melo-drama. She thinks Melo intentionally sabotaged Mike D. Not sure it was intentional; don’t think melo is that bright, but the outcome appears to be the same. But her rant was funny enough to post, with her permission of course:
      “I am sorry but I can’t forget Tyson’s words in his interview a few games ago when he said, “Carmelo’s draining shots in practice, so….” something to the effect of, he’s just having a rough patch. Which sounded perfectly reasonable. Okay, cool. Darn, but okay.
      I certainly haven’t forgotten the unabashedly passionate tweet from Landry saying he’s never had more fun playing basketball in his life! I will also never forget watching Landry’s game go from sorta sweet, to holy crap, did that boy just jump six feet in the air? Mad hops, occasionally, but who knew Landry had furious hops? He went from milk and cookies in my mind to a tumbler of scotch or two. And not just Landry but a bunch of guys came out from behind the long shadow of super stardom. Novak went from, we have a white guy on our team?–to the mountaintop oracle of three. Jared Jeffries
      from, what is with the fish face, to SealTeam 6 style defense. Our current deeeeep bench, was mostly already there. With Carmelo and Amare out D’Antoni had his bench guys pick the splinters out of their shorts and play basketball.

      Which reminds me; who could forget watching Coach put his face into his hands and completely crack the heck up when a reporter asked him if he’d play Carmelo or Amare when they came back. D’Antoni watched his team strategy come to life and even that old fuddy duddy lit up like a six year old whose Mighty Morphin Power Rangers sprang to life and activated just in time to plant the lunch bully’s face in the jello! Have you ever seen D’Antoni fall apart in a post game interview? Me neither.”
      (continue)

    48. Frank O.

      She continued:
      “Aaaaand, I can’t conveniently forget how immediate and stunning Amare’s “downfall” was once Carmelo came on board. They both said very nice things about each other. And Amare hadn’t been playing spectacular ball before Carmelo. But it did feel funny to a lot of fans like me, who wondered just why it felt so funny. Kind of like sitting Ray Charles on the piano bench next to Stevie Wonder, and insisting the resultant jam session is gonna be so great. You want those two to jam? Gotta give ‘em their own damn piano….

      One more thing. I clearly don’t know diddly squat about basketball, thus the blind music genius, action figure analogies— but a whole lot of people who do, said Denver couldn’t wait to get rid of Carmelo; and of course the horse trading was tough but not because the mountainous region desired the divine talents of despicable me. No, because even the going thought in New York, was, sure he’s a ball hog, and sure he’s kinda into himself but he’s great and we want to win. NO ONE, however, disagreed on Carmelo’s fundamental personality flaws when it came to team basketball. No one. And
      today we’re supposed to believe it when he says, “hey it wasn’t me!”
      Okay, two more things (sorry Columbo), what drew not only New Yorkers, but the whole freaking world to the Lin story, was yeah, okay, his underdog status, but moreso that we were starving for upbeat, kill ‘em, pounding the floor boards, real team basketball. Fight to the death and everyone’s in on the route. Man, to watch that street court hustle win games against giants?
      Goosebumps, the happy, wish they never went away, I need to find my husband and share this moment on the sheets, goosebumps. It made everyone feel great and like part of the fun, and dammit, we need that in our sports universe.

      Tell me, who’s having fun now? Carmelo fans? People who hated D’Antoni? That’s all negative karma, man, and it’s all negative nasty industry closing…

    49. Frank O.

      And at least:
      “Here’s my super geeky reality: x+y always = z. It’s an immutable formula.
      Which is to say you know when you’re seeing something good and something right. And you also know when you’re watching something that stinks to the high heavens. If I hadn’t seen the second string win game after game against the teams they battled, with my own eyes, I might not have believed it. But I did and I do, and now I cannot remain loyal to this franchise.
      It’s like rooting for 7-11 cause I always wanna have my slushy. Not doing it.

      I may burn my new Knicks shirt in effigy.

      Not kidding.”

      And to tell you the truth, I kind of get where she’s coming from.

    50. Frank O.

      Frank:
      I’m a big Lin fan but I think Davis has looked reasonably good lately. Still rusty, still making some poor decisions, but he’s played at least as good as Jeremy lately (especially if you take D into account).

      I think this is a good mix with the two of them.26-28 min for J-Lin, 20-22 min for Baron with fluctuations based on who’s hot.

      Last 4 games for BD- (arbitrary I know) – per 36 #s.

      12.5 pts, 11.6 assists, 5.8 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 3.1 TOs on TS 52.3.
      Really not that bad.

      If you add Lin’s per 36 numbers (from above): per 36: 16.1 points, 8.2 assists, 2.5 steals, 4.7 TOs

      that is some pretty good PG play.

      If you allocate 30 min to Lin and 18 min to Baron, our combined per-48 PG play would = 19.7 points, 12.6 assists, 3 steals, 5.5 TOs.

      I’ll go you one better: it’s nearly exactly the kind of guard play you want with the type of front court the Knicks boast.
      Amare has been a different guy since he’s lost the weight. Two straight games he’s more explosive and he’s found his mid-range game. Meanwhile, Tyson’s wrist appears to have improved and Melo seems suddenly able to make shots…
      Our guards need to make an occasional shot to make the PnR respectable and they need to penetrate and create. Both seem able to do each and Lin’s ball handling is improving.

    51. jon abbey

      Peter Vecsey has been pretty bad for a while (the Peter Gammons of hoops), but he hits a few nails on the head today in his column, linked above, but a few excerpts:

      “A coach’s job is defined by how well he puts his team in a position to win and how quickly he’s able to adjust and readjust. Judged by those criteria, D’Antoni has no case to plead.”

      “It’s only a matter of time, it says here, before Baron Davis either starts or finishes or both. I predict that translates into winning a playoff spot.”

      http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/carmelo_wins_the_war_jvBB1DtJl5Gqq9Tmj4Cu4H

    52. Caleb

      Frank O.:
      And at least:
      “x+y always = z.It’s an immutable formula…. It’s like rooting for 7-11 cause I always wanna have my slushy.

      Count me in for the next night out with Clyde Frazier and Mrs. Frank O.!

      Great rant.

    53. Frank O.

      One other point, i think jon will get his way with Shump and with Davis because they “play like how” the NBA personality cult prefers.
      Lin and Fields play stronger within the team concept. They simply won’t fit well into a team that plays personality ball.
      More ISOs will not work for Lin, and Fields will again get lost in an offense in which he cannot be in the flow, mostly because there isn’t a flow. (I hope I’m wrong about this)
      I’m sure folks will argue this point about Davis, and others who dislike Fields’ game will say it was a long time coming, but based on performance to do, you are betting on Shump’s upside rather than his actual performance to date. His D is very good, especially with Tyson on the floor, but his offense is not consistently good.
      Baron is not a better scorer than Lin, and his assists numbers are on par with Lin’s, yet Lin is the younger guy.
      But the Melo message has been sent by dolan: personality cult trumps all.

    54. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, great rant, Frank. Although tell her that things aren’t that bad! Yeah, this team isn’t going anywhere, but it might be fun getting there! Certainly more fun than watching Mo Taylor, Malik Rose, Steve Francis and Jalen Rose!

    55. cgreene

      Brian Cronin:
      Yeah, that’s exactly what I was thinking, Frank. Essentially, “Oh boy, I get to coach the rest of the season before you fire me!”

      That’s just pure garbage. I am sorry. Because MDA didn’t get his extension? Because his guy was gone? He was dead man walking? OR MAYBE if his team had performed to expectations, won the division, made a bunch of noise in the playoffs like they were supposed to he would have been the toast of the town. Results get you fired. He never got the results. The rest of this is speculation and, frankly, it’s wrong.

    56. Brian Cronin

      It happens all the time. A coach in the last year of his deal will check to see if he has a future with the team. If he doesn’t, what’s the point of finishing out his lame duck term? It just happened with the Washington Nationals’ manager last season.

    57. Frank

      Lin playing less is not all bad. There is no way that he won’t be re-signed here given his international appeal and the fact that he is restricted, young, and talented. The less he blows up statistically, the better chance we have to keep him at a well below market price. If he could possibly be encouraged to take the biannual exception, we would have the full or parts of MLE to entice other guys, whether it be JR Smith, Novak, Jefferies, or other.

    58. Caleb

      Vecsey might have a little info by talking to Woody all season, or it could just be an educated guess, based on everyone knowing the Knicks are going to try and run more plays through Carmelo and Stoudemire.

      The case for Baron is that if Melomare take all the shots, your PG’s shooting is less important and you might get more from BD – passing, and defense – than from Lin.

      The problem – so far – is that a) Baron still shoots a good amount; and b) at 38% TS that’s a real problem.

      Of course there’s also c), which is that through 40 games, Lin has been a better scorer than either Carmelo OR Amare. I wouldn’t bet on that being true for the last 25 games, but worth sayin’!

      Anyway, there are worse problems to have, than 2 PGs on the roster who can run the team. I do think we’ll see more BD than we have, and one or the other will probably assert himself as the clear option.

    59. Caleb

      @66 I don’t see how Woody could go this route… BD, Shump, Melo, Amare & Chandler would get pretty ugly – you need someone, anyone, who can spread the floor.

      Plus Woody hates rookies. Short-term, this coaching move is bad news for Shump & Lin.

      I wonder if Woody will split up Melo and Amare more – which would be smart, I think a lot of us would agree. If they both play 36 minutes, you can stack it so they’re only on the court together for 24. That would open up minutes for Novak… I was a little slow to warm up but you gotta play him until he starts missing.

      Woody is definitely more of a matchup guy, mix-and-match lineups, whereas MDA preferred the continuity of a regular rotation (hard as that was to do, the last few seasons).

    60. Frank O.

      Brian Cronin:
      Yeah, great rant, Frank. Although tell her that things aren’t that bad! Yeah, this team isn’t going anywhere, but it might be fun getting there! Certainly more fun than watching Mo Taylor, Malik Rose, Steve Francis and Jalen Rose!!

      Thanks, Brian. I can always count on you to offer a respectful, reasoned response. I posted this knowing it was a quality rant, but was bracing for some potentially rough push back.
      The blog has been a “no-thin-skin zone” of late. lol

    61. whistleblower

      I liked Dantoni except that he did not let the players be Men.
      Each time the knicks showed aggression against the oponent he would sit them down. Or in the case of shumpurt who would go in the opponents face and call them out, Dantoni would get upset.
      These Knicks need to show aggression. They need to defend their point guards. They can’t let Fields get slammed to the Floor in Mid Air and not rally around him and defend. That’s what they are lacking. They need to have the Celtics mentality.

    62. Ben R

      Brian Cronin:
      Yeah, great rant, Frank. Although tell her that things aren’t that bad! Yeah, this team isn’t going anywhere, but it might be fun getting there! Certainly more fun than watching Mo Taylor, Malik Rose, Steve Francis and Jalen Rose!

      That’s like saying being shot in the stomach isn’t that bad because at least it’s better than being shot in the head.

    63. Brian Cronin

      I mean, the Knicks have the best player any of us have seen on the Knicks since Marcus Camby, they have one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA, they have one of the great “glue” guys in the NBA, they have one of the best three-point shooters in the NBA, they have capable point guard play, they have a likeable team player in Fields and then they have Melo, Amar’e and JR Smith.

      The former group more than makes up for the latter group in my mind. And the latter group has Amar’e, who is a great guy who might be rounding into shape and it also has Melo, who has been the centerpiece of some of the best offenses in the NBA in the last eight years and it has Smith, who can theoretically be a really good player.

      So while the team is still horribly constructed, at least it is horribly constructed around a ton of good players and a lot of players who are easy to root for.

    64. Ben R

      I agree Brian. I really like just about everyone on this team. I can even live with JR Smith, as long as he makes his shots, but I struggle with Amare, because he is such a bad defender, and struggle with Davis because of his terrible shooting and shot selection but overall I can live with them.

      The real problem is that I really don’t like Melo and want him gone very badly and as long as he is a Knick win or lose there is a dark cloud hanging over this team, I will watch and root but it’s tough.

    65. Frank O.

      Brian Cronin:
      It could be that Vescey, who is almost always wrong, is suddenly right now that he is agreeing with you or…well…you know…

      *s-knick-er*

    66. Frank

      JoshuaBRobbins: D12’s manager, Kevin Samples, tells @OrlandoSentinel that Dwight has indeed waived his ETO.

      Very interesting. That leaves 2 hours and 35 minutes for a million dominoes to fall at the trade deadline. If I’m the Nets you HAVE to trade D-Will for something like the package you gave up to get him. Or else D-Will walks and Brook Lopez, Marshon Brooks, and Gerald Green open up the Barclays Center.

      Re: D’Antoni – it sort of sucks that he decided yesterday was the day. Like I wrote a few times, there were a lot of positives in the loss to Chicago, and it was likely that the team was going to start winning again anyway — and winning cures a lot of things.

      Alan Hahn with yet another great Fix – he makes a great point that both MDA and Carmelo are intensely competitive yet non confrontational passive-aggressive people – probably the worst combination as both just getter madder and madder everyday. George Karl, at least based on his loathsome comments after the trade, seems like he’s probably the same way.

      I don’t know anything about Woodson, but I loved his comment about accountability. He’s played in the league, he’s had success, and regardless of uglyball, maybe he can get through to Carmelo. In my experience, passive-aggressive types need to be challenged and then challenged again.

    67. art vandelay

      I was about to drop JR Smith from my fantasy team and pick up Baron Davis from the waiver wire following Woodson´s ascension to head coach, but now am mulling this over again after Smith went off last night.

    68. Brian Cronin

      Alan Hahn with yet another great Fix – he makes a great point that both MDA and Carmelo are intensely competitive yet non confrontational passive-aggressive people – probably the worst combination as both just getter madder and madder everyday. George Karl, at least based on his loathsome comments after the trade, seems like he’s probably the same way.

      That is a perfect description of D’Antoni and Melo. And yeah, D’Antoni and Karl have a loooooot in common, personality-wise (hence their similar treatment of Balkman and JR Smith).

    69. Frank O.

      Frank:
      JoshuaBRobbins: D12?s manager, Kevin Samples, tells @OrlandoSentinel that Dwight has indeed waived his ETO.

      Very interesting. That leaves 2 hours and 35 minutes for a million dominoes to fall at the trade deadline. If I’m the Nets you HAVE to trade D-Will for something like the package you gave up to get him.Or else D-Will walks and Brook Lopez, Marshon Brooks, and Gerald Green open up the Barclays Center.

      Re: D’Antoni – it sort of sucks that he decided yesterday was the day. Like I wrote a few times, there were a lot of positives in the loss to Chicago, and it was likely that the team was going to start winning again anyway — and winning cures a lot of things.

      Alan Hahn with yet another great Fix – he makes a great point that both MDA and Carmelo are intensely competitive yet non confrontational passive-aggressive people – probably the worst combination as both just getter madder and madder everyday.George Karl, at least based on his loathsome comments after the trade, seems like he’s probably the same way.

      I don’t know anything about Woodson, but I loved his comment about accountability.He’s played in the league, he’s had success, and regardless of uglyball, maybe he can get through to Carmelo. In my experience, passive-aggressive types need to be challenged and then challenged again.

      STrikeing what Hahn wrote, knowing he works for dolan now.
      http://www.msg.com/blogs/alan-hahn/the-knicks-fix-melo-knicks-point-forward-1.85578

    70. Frank

      Frank O.: STrikeing what Hahn wrote, knowing he works for dolan now.
      http://www.msg.com/blogs/alan-hahn/the-knicks-fix-melo-knicks-point-forward-1.85578

      “Striking” means you believe or don’t believe him?

      FYI he worked for Dolan before too – Cablevision owned Newsday. Didn’t stop him from speaking his mind back then.

      Out of all the beatwriter types (I guess Hahn doesn’t totally fall into that category anymore) he is the most reasoned and objective. So I will continue to take what he says seriously.

    71. Gideon Zaga

      Yeah he’s definitely right, Melo is the guy who doesn’t like rocking the boat but rocks it by not helping to keep it from rocking. Shit that’s the way .to succeed in this town though.

    72. KnicksFanInVA

      If Sloan were to coach the Knicks, you’d have to think that Linsanity might thrive once again. But I can’t see Sloan taking the task of coaching the Knicks, I don’t think he would enjoy it one bit.

    73. Frank O.

      Frank: “Striking” means you believe or don’t believe him?

      FYI he worked for Dolan before too – Cablevision owned Newsday. Didn’t stop him from speaking his mind back then.

      Out of all the beatwriter types (I guess Hahn doesn’t totally fall into that category anymore) he is the most reasoned and objective. So I will continue to take what he says seriously.

      I believe him.

    74. art vandelay

      Anyone understand Brooklyn´s thinking by not unloading D Williams immediately before 3 PM? Do they believe the same last-second deals (in which they probably would hastily be suckered into a bad move) available now will still be available after season (draft night) but before free agency? I think the handwriting is on the wall if Howard signs that ETO waiver today as supposedly expected…why not make that Gasol deal? I think they are setting themselves up for a major nightmare moving into Brooklyn last night if they don´t do something fast.

      Btw, what do you alll think of MELO for Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza and possibly a New Orleans draft pick? Any chance NO would consider this….it will be very hard for them to sign a FA to play there, and they would lock Melo in for 3 more years at least. They would have a “superstar” to use as leverage in sale negotiations for prospective buyers of the franchise.

    75. JLam

      Just when I though I might off this roller coaster, Im back on it going for another ride around.

    76. Frank

      btw – for any of us thinking that Amare is done – in the 8 games since the ASB, here are his per-36 #s against VERY stiff competition:

      20.4 points, 8.7 rebounds, 1.1 blocks, 2.1 TOs on a TS% of 60.1. The increase in production since pre-ASB is really striking – FG% 44.9 –> 55.3, and even more promising is his FTA/FGA which was 0.31 pre-ASB and 0.43 post-ASB.

    77. Brian Cronin

      Anyone understand Brooklyn´s thinking by not unloading D Williams immediately before 3 PM? Do they believe the same last-second deals (in which they probably would hastily be suckered into a bad move) available now will still be available after season (draft night) but before free agency?

      The quote I saw was that they’d prefer to just have nobody than be forced to take players they don’t especially want for D-Will. The problem with that idea, though, is obvious – it would involve them, you know, taking players they don’t want for D-Will. Presumably there is a team out there that will give them good players for D-Will.

    78. TelegraphedPass

      art vandelay: Anyone understand Brooklyn´s thinking by not unloading D Williams immediately before 3 PM? Do they believe the same last-second deals (in which they probably would hastily be suckered into a bad move) available now will still be available after season (draft night) but before free agency? I think the handwriting is on the wall if Howard signs that ETO waiver today as supposedly expected…why not make that Gasol deal? I think they are setting themselves up for a major nightmare moving into Brooklyn last night if they don´t do something fast.Btw, what do you alll think of MELO for Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza and possibly a New Orleans draft pick? Any chance NO would consider this….it will be very hard for them to sign a FA to play there, and they would lock Melo in for 3 more years at least. They would have a “superstar” to use as leverage in sale negotiations for prospective buyers of the franchise.

      I don’t like it. I don’t think constantly swapping players around is the answer, nor has Trevor Ariza been good this season.

    79. TelegraphedPass

      Brian, I’m thinking the best trade for the Nets would be to send Deron out for potential packed youngsters and picks. Who is willing to surrender that for Deron, though?

    80. ephus

      The Nets strategy, if you can call it that, seems to be that they expect to be able to trade for Dwight Howard at the draft — before the July 1 date on which Derron Williams could exercise his ETO. They are looking to trade a first round pick and an expiring contract to Portland for Gerald Wallace, viewing Wallace as an asset that Orlando would want as part of a Dwight Howard trade.

      This is a huge risk strategy. If it does not work, Derron Williams walks away for nothing and the Nets are left to build around Marshon Brooks, Brook Lopez, Gerald Wallace and whatever they can pick up in the (admittedly deep) draft.

    81. BahoPuwet

      Herb Williams must really luv his paycheck. Herb has been DUI many times by Knicks yet he still sticks around. They keep him supposedly coz he’s a fan favorite. Oh yes, expect fans to stage a massive walk-out or a general strike if good ol’ Herb gets fired – LoL

      (DUI = Disrespected, Unappreciated, and Insulted)

      Herb’s been slapped in the face multiple times. He’s probably Dolan’s snitch thats y he’s still here.

    82. Caleb

      TelegraphedPass:
      Brian, I’m thinking the best trade for the Nets would be to send Deron out for potential packed youngsters and picks. Who is willing to surrender that for Deron, though?

      Not many, since there are probably 3 or 4 teams, max, where he would be willing to sign this summer. That’s why everyone is bringing up Gasol.

      Everyone thinks he wants to play in Dallas – his home – which creates two problems. One, the Mavs don’t have much to trade, beyond Roddy Beaubois. And two, if they think Deron will sign there in the summer, why give up anyone?

      But I guess there is the possibility the Nets could swing a deal in June, or an S&T in July.

    83. Caleb

      @94 I think you are right, in that it’s their “strategy” and that it’s ridiculous. Orlando might go for a terrible deal like that if it’s the trade deadline and they know it’s that or nothing, but not 8 months in advance. Meanwhile, plenty of teams (like Dallas) can line things up to sign Dwight outright in the summer of 2013. He’ll have more and better options than the Nyets.

    84. Frank O.

      Frank:
      btw – for any of us thinking that Amare is done – in the 8 games since the ASB, here are his per-36 #s against VERY stiff competition:

      20.4 points, 8.7 rebounds, 1.1 blocks, 2.1 TOs on a TS% of 60.1. The increase in production since pre-ASB is really striking – FG% 44.9 –> 55.3, and even more promising is his FTA/FGA which was 0.31 pre-ASB and 0.43 post-ASB.

      A different guy 15 lbs lighter. I keep saying this.lol

    85. max fisher-cohen

      Brian Cronin:
      I mean, the Knicks have the best player any of us have seen on the Knicks since Marcus Camby, they have one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA, they have one of the great “glue” guys in the NBA, they have one of the best three-point shooters in the NBA, they have capable point guard play, they have a likeable team player in Fields and then they have Melo, Amar’e and JR Smith.

      What’s frustrating is that all those guys are separate players. If we had a great three point shooter who was a good defender, or a capable point guard who was a good three point shooter, I’d feel more optimistic, especially in a more isolation-based offense.

      Last night didn’t really test the offense. In the first half, before Portland had entirely mailed it in, the Knicks were 5-13 from distance, which isn’t a bad number, but you had guys like Shumpert and Anthony making threes, something that we clearly can’t rely on. The Blazers had an absurd 17 turnovers in the first half. Want to cure an ailing offense? Give them easy opportunities in transition.

    86. ruruland

      max fisher-cohen: What’s frustrating is that all those guys are separate players. If we had a great three point shooter who was a good defender, or a capable point guard who was a good three point shooter, I’d feel more optimistic, especially in a more isolation-based offense.

      Last night didn’t really test the offense. In the first half, before Portland had entirely mailed it in, the Knicks were 5-13 from distance, which isn’t a bad number, but you had guys like Shumpert and Anthony making threes, something that we clearly can’t rely on. The Blazers had an absurd 17 turnovers in the first half. Want to cure an ailing offense? Give them easy opportunities in transition.

      Funny, most people weren’t talking about turnover problems in the 4-out Lin pnr being perhaps the lead cause of defensive failures and momentum swings post-Spurs game.

      Also, why do people think that because Woodson actually has the sagacity to incorporate Melo post-ups and isolations, that that’s all the Knicks will run.

      Clearly, any sane coach is going to continue to use MDA’s offense as one of the team’s looks, just, unlike his predecessor, the new coach is willing to diversify the offense.

    87. ruruland

      Frank: “Striking” means you believe or don’t believe him?

      FYI he worked for Dolan before too – Cablevision owned Newsday. Didn’t stop him from speaking his mind back then.

      Out of all the beatwriter types (I guess Hahn doesn’t totally fall into that category anymore) he is the most reasoned and objective. So I will continue to take what he says seriously.

      He’s good. But I would disagree. It wasn’t as though Melo was unwilling to fit into MDA’s offense. From knowing him, this was about a coach who didn’t embrace the things he could offer, and wasn’t willing to incorporate his talents into the offense.

      Melo wasn’t asking for the offense to be run through him full-time. He just wanted to be a bigger part of it– what he was traded to–doing what he does best and helping make his teammates better.

    88. Nick C.

      Frank O.: A different guy 15 lbs lighter. I keep saying this.lol

      Separate questions for each Frank or whoever. Doesn’t 10-15 lb. weight loss in a fortnight or so, which is what we have been hearing, seem a bit extreme if not flat out unhealthy?

      Is any of Amare’s increased productivity related to Baron playing? I don’t recall anything special much less their PT overlapping much but the timeframes do.

    89. ruruland

      Nick C.: Separate questions for each Frank or whoever.Doesn’t 10-15 lb. weight loss in a fortnight or so, which is what we have been hearing, seem a bit extreme if not flat out unhealthy?

      Is any of Amare’s increased productivity related to Baron playing? I don’t recall anything special much less their PT overlapping much but the timeframes do.

      Baron has been great with Amar’e. and not even in the pnr so much, though they’ve definitely connected on it. You know, it’s really interesting hat no one mentions this, but Baron freestyles out of the offense more than any Knick on the team— It’s a good thing much of the time, just find it funny it’s never mentioned

    90. fudini

      I haven’t been a Knick fan for many years but I was brought back by the play and story of Jeremy Lin. He, along with his other team mates have brought back excitement to the Garden.
      Enter the superstar Carmelo Anthony, and I use the “superstar” loosely, and what happens? Loss after loss after loss. This game is about winning. If you can’t win you might as well stay home. Teams that don’t win are losers.
      What’s up with this guy Anthony? He wants to run the team. He’s an inmate in this asylum. Since when are the inmates allowed to run the asylum.
      This is what I propose. Make Anthony the player/coach. If he wins we will all call him great. If he looses he gets fired. It’s that simple.

    91. Nick C.

      ruruland: Baron has been great with Amar’e. and not even in the pnr so much, though they’ve definitely connected on it. You know, it’s really interesting hat no one mentions this, but Baron freestyles out of the offense more than any Knick on the team— It’s a good thing much of the time, just find it funny it’s never mentioned

      The most I might have said is loosey goosey or some such words. Usually when Barons out its’s been all sorts of Novak this Novak that or OMFG Baron (a gross oversimplification but you get the point).

    92. ruruland

      Nick C.: The most I might have said is loosey goosey or some such words. Usually when Barons out its’s been all sorts of Novak this Novak that or OMFG Baron (a gross oversimplification but you get the point).

      It’s been fluid from time to time, but it’s much less pnr and much more Baron just sort of riffing out there.. My point is that while the structure of the offense was in place with Baron in terms of initial spacing, they weren’t running MDA’s offense when he was on the floor.

      Everyone assumes Melo was the only guy not “fitting in the with the offense.” When the fact is that Baron was playing out of the offense quite a bit more.

    93. art vandelay

      Baron has definitely been improving slowly but surely…he actually has been adept at, when he wants to, beating his man off the dribble with guile and craftiness, and superby ballhandling skills, even if his explosion to the rack hasn´t been there. He seems to be able to worm his way around a defender but oftentimes has little left to finish around the basket, though I think this will come with time…that is partially conditioning and just rust…I think his finishing has been better the last few games than when he first returned. His outside shot, however, has continued to look very flat (again, hopefully just rust), though not Landry Fields laser line-drive flat.

    94. Nick C.

      ruruland: It’s been fluid from time to time, but it’s much less pnr and much more Baron just sort of riffing out there.. My point is that while the structure of the offense was in place with Baron in terms of initial spacing, they weren’t running MDA’s offense when he was on the floor.Everyone assumes Melo was the only guy not “fitting in the with the offense.” When the fact is that Baron was playing out of the offense quite a bit more.

      Hasn’t “freelancign” pretty much been Baron’s MO? I seem to remember him even with the Hornets at his peak taking a lot of absurd pull up threes.

    95. Caleb

      @108 definitely. But let’s give credit – he is one guy who really has shifted his game. His usage rate has always been around 27.. which is also about his assist rate (percentage of possessions ending in an assist). This year his usage rate is 22 something, and his assist rate is 41. He’s clearly making it a top priority to get the ball to higher percentage scorers (at least, in theory!).

      Some of that may be just trying to play himself into shape, but I take it as a sign of being a savvy vet. He’s a great playmaker, always has been.

    96. ruruland

      Nick C.: Hasn’t “freelancign” pretty much been Baron’s MO? I seem to remember him even with the Hornets at his peak taking a lot of absurd pull up threes.

      Yeah, it’s absolutely not a criticism. He is so much better when he’s reading and instinctively reacting to the game. But my point was that he wasn’t really following the offense when he was out there.

      You live with the bad 3pt shots when he gives you so much in the lane, such great passing and a real ability to get good shots in the elbow and below area.

    97. flossy

      ruruland: It’s been fluid from time to time, but it’s much less pnr and much more Baron just sort of riffing out there.. My point is that while the structure of the offense was in place with Baron in terms of initial spacing, they weren’t running MDA’s offense when he was on the floor.

      Everyone assumes Melo was the only guy not “fitting in the with the offense.” When the fact is that Baron was playing out of the offense quite a bit more.

      It’s true, but it’s because he’s the only player on the Knicks talented enough to get away with it. When Baron freelances he tends to create easy looks for his teammates, especially this year. When Melo or Smith freelance they tend to create mediocre (at best) looks for themselves while the rest of the team stands around. Nobody else really goes off script that often.

    98. ruruland

      art vandelay:
      Baron has definitely been improving slowly but surely…he actually has been adept at, when he wants to, beating his man off the dribble with guile and craftiness, and superby ballhandling skills, even if his explosion to the rack hasn´t been there. He seems to be able to worm his way around a defender but oftentimes has little left to finish around the basket, though I think this will come with time…that is partially conditioning and just rust…I think his finishing has been better the last few games than when he first returned. His outside shot, however, has continued to look very flat (again, hopefully just rust), though not Landry Fields laser line-drive flat.

      His short range game is pretty good. The one-foot fall-backs are sweet and he can use the glass from a lot of different angles.

      You’ll live with low percentage 3s when he gives you that. And his scoring typically comes after not being able to set someone up.

    99. flossy

      Re: Baron, he’s obviously destined to start sooner or later–or at least finish.

      He’s a veteran, he has better chemistry with Amar’e than Lin, he gets more respect from Melo than Lin, he’s a better defender than Lin, and it would still be easy enough to give Lin heavy minutes off the bench with the Linsanity crew, i.e. a Lin/Fields/Novak/Jeffires/Chander lineup.

    100. ruruland

      flossy: It’s true, but it’s because he’s the only player on the Knicks talented enough to get away with it.When Baron freelances he tends to create easy looks for his teammates, especially this year.When Melo or Smith freelance they tend to create mediocre (at best) looks for themselves while the rest of the team stands around.Nobody else really goes off script that often.

      I fundamentally disagree with the idea that when Melo goes Iso it isn’t a good thing…

      Junior it isn’t good because it’s typically fall-back jumpers and lack of extra defensive attention to create weak-side swings.

      When the Knicks have run Melo iso this year with the right threats on the perimeter, they’ve been very efficient when Melo swings the ball to the weakside on the overload. It makes driving to the basket much easier for Lin and provides open shooting opps.

      His ISo scoring hasn’t come yet. But this is a guy who made his team a lot better through the iso in Denver, there’s no reason not to feature it here, especially when the defense tunes it up and the 4-out isn’t getting results.

      Besides creating great weak side opportunities, it’s also a much less risky kind of offense. When you’re team is getting killed with transition points, you can slow the game down and get good shots with Melo– and ultimately the momentum, too.

    101. nicos

      ruruland: He’s good. But I would disagree. It wasn’t as though Melo was unwilling to fit into MDA’s offense. From knowing him, this was about a coach who didn’t embrace the things he could offer, and wasn’t willing to incorporate his talents into the offense.

      Melo wasn’t asking for the offense to be run through him full-time. He just wanted to bea bigger part of it– what he was traded to–doing what he does best and helping make his teammates better.

      Again, you’re talking about the 10 games post Lin. Melo stopped the getting touches he was getting and within three or four games was busting plays. The guy’s usage is 31%, he wasn’t a second or third option- I know he led the Knicks in FGA in 4 of the six games during the losing streak. He didn’t fit in D’A’s offense and for a year D’A deferred to him with nothing much to show for it. The minute he stopped Melo went AWOL, broke plays, and within two weeks stuff is getting leaked to the press about D’A losing the locker room, that anti-Lin quote which if it actually came from a player had to be Melo, etc… Melo has stunk this year and up until the last few games (where his numbers were virtually identical to his previous numbers BTW) it wasn’t because D’A refused to tweak his system to incorporate Melo.

    102. Nick C.

      With Baron one thing I notice is what a fluid handle he has. Lin seems a bit herky jerky is not quite it but maybe like the difference between squaring off corners and taking them at the apex without touching the brakes (to steal a cycling analogy). Baron definitely makes things eventful. With him it’s what will he do a 360 pass to Novak for a three or into the stands whereas my fear with Lin is still the embarrasing pocket pick/mugging.

    103. ruruland

      nicos: Again, you’re talking about the 10 games post Lin.Melo stopped the getting touches he was getting and within three or four games was busting plays.The guy’s usage is 31%, he wasn’t a second or third option- I know he led the Knicks in FGA in 4 of the six games during the losing streak.He didn’t fit in D’A’s offense and for a year D’A deferred to him with nothing much to show for it.The minute he stopped Melo went AWOL, broke plays, and within two weeks stuff is getting leaked to the press about D’A losing the locker room, that anti-Lin quote which if it actually came from a player had to be Melo, etc…Melo has stunk this year and up until the last few games (where his numbers were virtually identical to his previous numbers BTW) it wasn’t because D’A refused to tweak his system to incorporate Melo.

      You interpret his quote as anti-Lin, really?

      Let’s look at his usage. 6 of his shots against the Bulls came in the final desperation minute. He had 13 shots against Philly, 17 against the Bucks, 16 against Boston until Pierce’s freak shot, and 16 against Cleveland.

      More of his shots have come in transition, many of them within the offense, either of the catch, off the cut, or off the pick and roll and some isolation shots.

      For the most part, he’s struggled shooting in all categories. But an extensive history shows that Melo ISO is very successful. When the team is losing, should the highest paid player, the guy the franchise has invested so much into, who has a history as one of the premier ( a notch below elite) offensive weapons, not want to try to turn it around?

      How can he do that when he’s sitting in the corner as a fourth option?

      We can talk about handling the situation poorly, but you can’t fault him for being rightfully frustrated that MDA was unwilling to embrace what he does and integrating it into the offense…

    104. ruruland

      And how many of Melo’s shots in that time frame have come on offensive rebounds? Abundantly obvious Melo was the 3rd or fourth option on the vast majority of plays.

    105. Frank O.

      Nick C.: Separate questions for each Frank or whoever.Doesn’t 10-15 lb. weight loss in a fortnight or so, which is what we have been hearing, seem a bit extreme if not flat out unhealthy?

      Is any of Amare’s increased productivity related to Baron playing? I don’t recall anything special much less their PT overlapping much but the timeframes do.

      honestly, for guys playing basketball at the level, intensity and frequency they do, I would imagine you could lose that amount fairly easily. Since December, I lost 20 lbs. Mostly by removing carbs and alcohol from my diet. That’s three months. Of course, I’m not a professional athlete playing at the highest levels every other night.
      Do realize how many calories these guys consume a day just to maintain weight. Jeremy Lin did a fun video from when he was trying to add bulk in his off season work outs. the breakfast he ate was ENORMOUS.
      I suspect all Amare would need to do is eat like a normal human for a few weeks and the weight would just come off.

    106. Frank O.

      ruruland: Baron has been great with Amar’e. and not even in the pnr so much, though they’ve definitely connected on it. You know, it’s really interesting hat no one mentions this, but Baron freestyles out of the offense more than any Knick on the team— It’s a good thing much of the time, just find it funny it’s never mentioned

      too bad melo’s freelancing wasn’t more productive. His usually ends in his own shot, in the face of several defenders…just saying.

    107. Frank O.

      ruruland: It’s been fluid from time to time, but it’s much less pnr and much more Baron just sort of riffing out there.. My point is that while the structure of the offense was in place with Baron in terms of initial spacing, they weren’t running MDA’s offense when he was on the floor.

      Everyone assumes Melo was the only guy not “fitting in the with the offense.” When the fact is that Baron was playing out of the offense quite a bit more.

      I figured this was where you were headed.
      Baron gets quite a few more assists off his freestyling than does Melo.

    108. nicos

      ruruland: You interpret his quote as anti-Lin, really?

      Let’s look at his usage. 6 of his shots against the Bulls came in the final desperation minute. He had 13 shots against Philly, 17 against the Bucks, 16 against Boston until Pierce’s freak shot, and 16 against Cleveland.

      More of his shots have come in transition, many of them within the offense, either of the catch, off the cut, or off the pick and roll and some isolation shots.

      For the most part, he’s struggled shooting in all categories. But an extensive history shows that Melo ISO is very successful. When the team is losing, should the highest paid player, the guy the franchise has invested so much into, who has a history as one of the premier ( a notch below elite) offensive weapons, not want to try to turn it around?

      How can he do that when he’s sitting in the corner as a fourth option?

      We can talk about handling the situation poorly, but you can’t fault him for being rightfully frustrated that MDA was unwilling to embrace what he does and integrating it into the offense…

      The quote was both anti-D’Antoni and anti-Lin, no reason to mention D-League unless you’re trying to take a shot at the guy. And yes, his usage was down but we’re talking about a three or four games before you actually start trying to undermine a coach who basically let you do exactly what you wanted last year and for the first part of this year said, okay, you’re the guy- we’re going to run our offense through you. And Melo sells him out in the span of 5 or 6 games. Again, the team didn’t win- that’s why D’A isn’t here, not Melo, but the idea that D’A refused to accommodate him over the course of Melo’s time here is ridiculous.

    109. Frank O.

      ruruland:
      And how many of Melo’s shots in that time frame have come on offensive rebounds? Abundantly obvious Melo was the 3rd or fourth option on the vast majority of plays.

      Melo plays with a lineup 11 deep. It would be difficult to be the 1st option on the majority of the plays given the weapons and style of play.
      His usage over the past 11 games is 27.3%, which is below his career average of 31.2%.
      And during this period his TS% was .488 (career .543) and his eFG% was .437 (career .477).
      His shooting percentage was 40.3% (career 45.6%), and he’s averaging 16.6 (19 career) shots per game.

      So you’re suggesting that a guy putting up career lows in all his major scoring categories (his career numbers were not very efficient to begin with) should actually be getting the ball more and trying to score more despite him having a terrible year? By the way, cumulative for this year his TS% is .502 and eFG% at .435, on usage of 31%.
      With those kinds of numbers combined with his usage, is there any wonder this team has a losing record?

      I guess you could say that, um, he’s not shooting as well because his usage is down…but his numbers are comparably bad overall, (much worse than his career numbers) with his usage at about his career average.

      We can come up with a thousand excuses for Melo, but he’s generally played poorly. What’s worse, his defense is not good either.

    110. limpidgimp

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: What’s the best comparison for Davis, then? He’s got a TS% of .381 and a TOV% five points higher than Lin. A poor man’s Sebastian Telfair?

      No matter what your eyes tell you, no level of passing ability is going to make a guy shooting that efficiently at 20+ USG a good player to allocate minute to.

      Lin’s been not so great lately, but Davis has been wretched.

      Since Lin is young and going to be around with the franchise, he should get minutes to get experience and develop, especially in a season that is basically a wash now. His ball handling and passing precision is not as good as Baron, but Baron is past his prime with a bustable back, not worth developing for the future, and shooting bricks.

      This is 2012; forget the Baron’s ancien regime.

      And it’s just more fun to watch Lin play.

    111. Frank O.

      And btw, if melo had been shooting somewhat better since his return both lin and baron would have at least several more assists on their score sheet. lol

      All due respect, ruru, I’ve been one of the guys who thought Melo’s career would be transformed under D’Antoni’s offense. I believed he could have become an elite player close or on par with lebron and with wade. Playing in a ball movement offense like that, it would be difficult for a team to double him, or triple him, and his scoring and efficiency would have greatly improved.
      But he’s never really played well with others, so to speak. He played limited college ball and was the man. In the pros, he continued to be a ball stopper.
      This was a chance for him to become a star of a different kind. He blew it, IMHO. As he undercut the team by demanding a very high price from the Knicks to get him, he did the same by forcing management to let Mike D. go so that he could continue to be a ball stopper.
      Meanwhile, he’s playing on a team with a far more efficient scorer in Amare Stoudemire, and clearly Amare is playing better offensively lately.

      Over the past 11 games, Amare has a TS% of .575 (compared to .528 for the season and .595 career) and an eFG% of .525 (compared to .472 for the season and .534 career). Clearly, he has come to life.
      And yet his usage% is at 22.5 over the past 11 games (compared to 25.5 for the season on only 12.2 shots per game.). That’s 7 percentage points less than melo’s.
      If there is a guy who deserves the ball more, it’s Amare, not Melo.

    112. xduckshoex

      er:
      I wake up today still stunned that so many supposed nix fans are upset about mda leaving. After all the name calling, mismanagement etc. Idk maybe I’m crazy but hey I guess he is better than the devil reincarnate #7…… alotta teams need new voices and then they excel…. His “system” sucked, linsanity was a mirage these are all facts that some people don’t want to face but they are facts.

      The team actually started playing Better in Chi so good job by them carrying over and good win last night although it appears that I am in the majority in celebrating a 42 freaking point win lmao gotta love ny

      I’m not sure you understand what facts are.

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