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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Mar 07 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks avoid disaster in Detroit without Melo as Amar’e, Ray lead way (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 06:44:51 GMT)
    Even with Carmelo Anthony holed up in the locker room receiving treatment for his aching knee, the Knicks eventually overpowered a weak Detroit Pistons team that played without their leading scorer, Greg Monroe.

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson says return to Knicks is Melo’s call (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 06:07:41 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony has what Mike Woodson described as “fluid build-upâ? on his injured right knee and says he’s leaving it up to Anthony when to play again. It won’t be Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] James Hits Winner, Heat Top Magic for 16th in Row (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 08:20:35 GMT)
    After a 16th straight win was safely in the books for the Miami Heat, Shane Battier pulled on a pair of jeans, chatted for a few minutes and walked into the night.

  • [New York Times] Thompson’s Shot Leads Warriors Past Kings, 87-83 (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 08:08:01 GMT)
    The possible game-winning shot that Klay Thompson missed in a last-second loss at Sacramento earlier this season will no longer be the second-year guard’s enduring memory of the Northern California series.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Stop Bucks’ Streak With 117-101 Victory (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 05:59:09 GMT)
    Blake Griffin had 23 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists for his third career triple-double, and the Los Angeles Clippers beat the Milwaukee Bucks 117-101 on Wednesday night for their 10th win in 13 games.

  • [New York Times] Bryant, Lakers Roar Back Against Hornets, 108-102 (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 05:50:06 GMT)
    No matter how bad this season may look by the Lakers’ lofty standards, it should be obvious by now that Kobe Bryant isn’t remotely close to giving up.

  • [New York Times] Gasol Scores 23 as Grizzlies Beat Blazers 91-85 (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 05:19:55 GMT)
    Marc Gasol had 23 points and 12 rebounds, Jerryd Bayless scored all 13 of his points in the final 13 minutes, and the Memphis Grizzlies beat the Portland Trail Blazers 91-85 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] DeRozan, Johnson Lift Raptors Past Suns, 98-71 (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 05:11:04 GMT)
    DeMar DeRozan scored 15 points and Amir Johnson added 14 to lead the Toronto Raptors to a 98-71 victory over the Phoenix Suns on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Heat Rally to Extend Winning Streak to 16 (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 05:05:21 GMT)
    LeBron James scored 26 points, including a go-ahead layup with 3.2 seconds left, and the Heat scrambled late to beat the Magic and extend their winning streak to 16 games.

  • [New York Times] DeRozan, Johnson Lift Raptors Past Suns, 98-71 (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 05:05:06 GMT)
    DeMar DeRozan scored 15 points and Amir Johnson added 14 to lead the Toronto Raptors to a 98-71 victory over the Phoenix Suns on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Duncan, Spurs Beat Bulls 101-83 (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:59:22 GMT)
    Tim Duncan had 18 points and 10 rebounds, and the San Antonio Spurs beat the Chicago Bulls 101-83 on Wednesday night in a matchup of teams missing their starting All-Star point guards.

  • [New York Times] James Hits Winner, Heat Top Magic for 16th in Row (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:38:00 GMT)
    Game on the line, LeBron James knew he was going to get to the rim.

  • [New York Times] Nets 99, Bobcats 78: Nets Defeat the Woeful Bobcats (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:33:10 GMT)
    Charlotte has the worst record in the N.B.A., but it took the Nets a while to put the game away against their less talented opponent.

  • [New York Times] Nowitzki, Mayo Help Mavs Bounce Back, Beat Rockets (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:31:46 GMT)
    Dirk Nowitzki scored 22 points, O.J. Mayo had two big fourth-quarter baskets and a career-high 12 assists, and the Dallas Mavericks bounced back from a blowout loss in Houston with a 112-108 victory over the Rockets on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Gasol Scores 23 as Grizzlies Beat Blazers 91-85 (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 04:14:04 GMT)
    Marc Gasol had 23 points and 12 rebounds, Jerryd Bayless scored all 13 of his points in the final 13 minutes, and the Memphis Grizzlies beat the Portland Trail Blazers 91-85 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Rubio Rallies Wolves to 87-82 Win Over Wizards (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 03:47:02 GMT)
    Ricky Rubio had 15 points, 11 assists, seven rebounds and six steals to lead the Minnesota Timberwolves to an 87-82 victory over the Washington Wizards on Wednesday night that snapped a six-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Beat Pistons 87-77 Without Anthony (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 03:26:15 GMT)
    Raymond Felton scored 26 points, and the New York Knicks pulled away in the fourth quarter to beat the Detroit Pistons 87-77 on Wednesday night despite Carmelo Anthony’s absence.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 87, Pistons 77: Carmelo Anthony Sits, but Knicks Beat Pistons (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 03:20:23 GMT)
    The mystery over Carmelo Anthony’s ailing knee continued as he sat out a victory over the Pistons in which the Knicks fell behind by 10 points in the third quarter.

  • [New York Times] Teague, Tolliver Lead Hawks Past Sixers 107-96 (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 03:11:51 GMT)
    Jeff Teague scored 27 points, Anthony Tolliver added a season-high 21 and the Atlanta Hawks bounced back from a sluggish start for a 107-96 victory over the Philadelphia 76ers on Wednesday night, snapping a three-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Irving Rallies Cavs to 104-101 Win Over Jazz (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 03:05:00 GMT)
    Kyrie Irving scored 20 points and Cleveland’s All-Star guard made all the big plays down the stretch, rallying the Cavaliers to a 104-101 victory over the Utah Jazz on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Williams, Johnson Lead Nets Over Bobcats, 99-78 (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 02:46:50 GMT)
    Deron Williams had 20 points and eight assists, Joe Johnson added 22 points, and Brooklyn Nets got a needed win over the Charlotte Bobcats, 99-78 Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Green’s Layup Completes Rally, Celtics Beat Pacers (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 02:44:22 GMT)
    Kevin Garnett found Jeff Green all alone under the basket for a layup with 0.5 seconds remaining to finish off a fourth-quarter comeback from 14 points down, and the Boston Celtics beat the Indiana Pacers 83-81 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: The Nets’ Continuing Identity Crisis (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 02:37:58 GMT)
    The move to Brooklyn, with the stars Deron Williams and Joe Johnson, was supposed to help the Nets escape the Knicks’ shadow. It hasn’t exactly worked out that way.

  • [New York Times] Knicks’ Anthony Sitting Out Against Pistons (Thu, 07 Mar 2013 00:47:01 GMT)
    New York All-Star Carmelo Anthony is sitting out Wednesday night’s game at Detroit after injuring his right knee earlier in the week.

  • 40 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Mar 07 2013)

    1. RicanKnick

      I’m really afraid of a 40/40 points performance tonight by Westbrook & Durant…Lord have mercy on us!!! Heck…if Curry had 54 pts…imagine what this guys could do tonight versus Half Man Half Shump, Steve “No-D” Novak, James White and Company!!!

    2. mcliff05

      Melo reportedly has fluid built up in his knee. Please God dont let this be a nagging injury the rest of the way out.

    3. Frank

      Spurs spank Chicago (4th in the NBA in DRtg) without Tony Parker, registering a ORtg of 116. Can Pop suit up 5 D-Leaguers and win 50 games in a season? Probably.

    4. Jp

      jon abbey: pretty interesting piece in the WSJ:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323628804578344301646455918.html?mod=WSJ_NY_LEFTThirdStories

      Great article, with some very valid points. i personally think the starting lineup issues are the biggest reason for knicks slow starts(which typically lead to losses). I remember at the begiining of the season when the knicks played well, it semmed like Melo was unstoppable in the first quarter, which would lead to wins. Since his minutes have gone up he hasn’t been as dominating.

    5. jon abbey

      yeah, for all the talk of a minutes limit for Amar’e, there pretty clearly should be one for Melo too. we’ve been saying for what seems like months that he’s been playing too many minutes and it finally caught up with him.

    6. thenamestsam

      Frank:
      Spurs spank Chicago (4th in the NBA in DRtg) without Tony Parker, registering a ORtg of 116. Can Pop suit up 5 D-Leaguers and win 50 games in a season? Probably.

      He probably wouldn’t go for it, because he’s Pop and he’s got a pretty good thing going there in San Antonio, but if Phil Jackson is asking for $15M a year or whatever unholy amount it is, shouldn’t the Knicks, Lakers or one of the other high payroll teams that’s constrained by the luxury tax roll in there and offer to double Pop’s $6M salary? That guy is a legitimate coaching marvel. Just stick Cory Joseph (wait, who?) in the starting lineup and keep wracking up tough wins. Absurd.

    7. Frank

      good news from last night – even though it was a tight game, Woodson somehow limited Tyson to 30 minutes. JR played 40 (and leads the team in minutes played now – yowza) but he doesn’t seem to ever get tired, so I guess that’s ok.

      Big test tonight. Will be interesting to see what Shump can do against Westbrook. I’m predicting a total and ugly beatdown if Melo doesn’t play, but I’ve been surprised before.

    8. Frank

      by the way – Amare now up to a TS of 65 on a USG% of 25.3. He has the highest eFG% of his career now, even better than his peak Phoenix years playing with Nash. Really amazing stuff. And all because he and Woodson basically made a commitment to changing his shot distribution. His FG% by distance are all basically the same – he’s just shooting so much more from high FG% areas. And because of that, his free throw rate has returned to its Phoenix levels. Just fantastic.

    9. Jp

      Frank: good news from last night – even though it was a tight game, Woodson somehow limited Tyson to 30 minutes. JR played 40 (and leads the team in minutes played now – yowza) but he doesn’t seem to ever get tired, so I guess that’s ok.Big test tonight. Will be interesting to see what Shump can do against Westbrook. I’m predicting a total and ugly beatdown if Melo doesn’t play, but I’ve been surprised before.

      30 minutes for tyson is great, but it would be good to lower JR’s minutes allso. he jumps pretty high when he shoots the ball(specially on that step back fadeway where he gets alot of air time) and his legs have got to be effected by the minutes one way or another. one would guess it causes shooting inconsistency. and a few more minutes for pablo in his places cannot hurt as much as “BAD” JR.

    10. Count de Pennies

      thenamestsam: if Phil Jackson is asking for $15M a year or whatever unholy amount it is, shouldn’t the Knicks, Lakers or one of the other high payroll teams that’s constrained by the luxury tax roll in there and offer to double Pop’s $6M salary?

      So true.

      Living in LA, one gets used to hearing Jackson reflexively dubbed “the greatest coach in NBA history” by fan and pundit alike. As if 12 rings is the beginning and ending of any argument.

      Try telling one of these maroons (as I futilely do from time to time) that Jackson is not in Pop’s league as a coach; an actual teacher of the game. Perhaps Pops does not share Jackson’s gift for managing outsized egos. Nonetheless, I have a difficult time believing that the Spurs coach would not have been able to win 6-8 more rings at the helm of teams featuring Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe.

      Conversely, I’m not so sure that Jackson would have enjoyed the kind of success that Pop has had managing Duncan, Parker, Ginobli + sundry flotsam and jetsam to perennial playoff appearances and four rings. And do so in the relative anonymity of a backwater like San Antonio. For all his Zen pretensions, Jackson sure does seem to relish life in the spotlight.

      Shit, if Jackson is truly worth $15 million, then Pop is worth 30.

    11. Jp

      Frank: by the way – Amare now up to a TS of 65 on a USG% of 25.3. He has the highest eFG% of his career now, even better than his peak Phoenix years playing with Nash. Really amazing stuff. And all because he and Woodson basically made a commitment to changing his shot distribution. His FG% by distance are all basically the same – he’s just shooting so much more from high FG% areas. And because of that, his free throw rate has returned to its Phoenix levels. Just fantastic.

      where do you think amare’s career would be now if he had developed this type of postgame at 23 while with nash? injuries aside i would argues that he’d be worth the max contract. The way he is playing gives me hope about this season, if only woodson can figure out how to use our frontline to its max potential…

    12. Unreason

      The main things I’ll be watching for tonight:
      Do all Knicks play as hard as freakin’ possible all game long on the defensive end?
      Do they feed Amare in the post when the offense starts to lag?
      Do KMart and Camby get more minutes?

      I hope Melo sits for his knee’s sake. If that also serves to lull OKC into an uncharacteristic slackitude, so much the better. Whether he sits or not, as on any other night when they’re not playing the Heat it’s OKC’s game to lose. They’re mortal though.

    13. er

      melo will play and i feel like the knicks will bring it. They usually only half ass against teams like the sixers nd cavs or physical teams like the bulls or pacers

    14. Nick C.

      lavor postell:
      http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/The%20Dwight%20Effect%20A%20New%20Ensemble%20of%20Interior%20Defense%20Analytics%20for%20the%20NBA.pdf

      Really great statistical research on the best and worst interior defenders in the NBA done by Kirk Goldsberry for the Sloan Analytics Conference.Pretty amazing how bad David Lee is.

      That is a great article. We saw it before but it’s worth a second look. Actually it’s worth third and forth looks as well but I digress. Stuff like this might be an argument in favor of a format tweaks so it doesn’t get lost under the inevitable 35 post barrage-argument over Melo, ball movement, Amare’s contract, playoff seeding, boasting over predictions that turned out right etc. etc.

    15. Frank

      A great read about the Sloan conference – sort of a contrarian view of it:

      http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2013/3/7/4071420/sloan-sports-analytics-conference-recap-ssac-2013

      Some of my favorite quotes:

      If there’s genius on display at Sloan, it’s this: When scouts or coaches or old school GMs get something wrong, it’s an example of traditional scouting methods failing. When analytics get something wrong, it’s “randomness” that you can’t control. A small part of a much bigger process, and teams and fans should trust that process until they get a better outcome. Any skeptics must be simple-minded conservative talk radio reactionaries, eating giant chocolate chip cookies.

      A growing faction of the media uses advanced stats to write mythbusting articles to make the sports conversation smarter, but it actually just makes things more pedantic. We are not scouts. Rather than couch all of our 2013 sports arguments in data that’s not as conclusive as it seems, it’s more fun to just have an argument. (emphasis mine)

      It makes you appreciate the millions of people who don’t care about any of this, because maybe they have the right idea. Look around the Sloan Analytics Conference and you see a group of thousands of over-educated smart people, most of whom are white males, congratulating each other on expertise and hitting on all the same themes, forging this echo chamber that’s supposedly rendering everyone else extinct.

      Anyway, it’s an interesting read.

    16. thenamestsam

      Frank:
      A great read about the Sloan conference – sort of a contrarian view of it:

      http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2013/3/7/4071420/sloan-sports-analytics-conference-recap-ssac-2013

      Some of my favorite quotes:

      Anyway, it’s an interesting read.

      It is an interesting take, but I can’t help but feel like it mostly boils down to “I’m not interested in it, and you shouldn’t be either”. When someone writes “Now and forever, everything you can’t quantify is what makes sports worth loving” I can’t help but laugh. I certainly don’t feel that way, and clearly many, many people (as the pure scope of the SSAC shows) are on my side. If he’s not interested in seeing numbers on how David Lee impacts attempts and shooting percentages within 5 feet of the basket that’s fine. He should probably skip next year’s SSAC. But to say that if you are interested in knowing that you’re “forgetting what made sports worth paying attention to” makes you just as smug as he accuses the stats movement of being.

    17. lavor postell

      thenamestsam: It is an interesting take, but I can’t help but feel like it mostly boils down to “I’m not interested in it, and you shouldn’t be either”. When someone writes “Now and forever, everything you can’t quantify is what makes sports worth loving” I can’t help but laugh. I certainly don’t feel that way, and clearly many, many people (as the pure scope of the SSAC shows) are on my side. If he’s not interested in seeing numbers on how David Lee impacts attempts and shooting percentages within 5 feet of the basket that’s fine. He should probably skip next year’s SSAC. But to say that if you are interested in knowing that you’re “forgetting what made sports worth paying attention to” makes you just as smug as he accuses the stats movement of being.

      This and I think most front offices aren’t just looking at numbers and making personnel decisions without watching a player. The idea that numbers are ruining what made sports fun as a fan is stupid

    18. ruruland

      No one ever mentioned this: “(Lebron) didn’t score when Melo was on him, which helped lead to a competitive finish.”

    19. er

      jon abbey: the Lakers are 14-6 in their last 20, that seems like a legit ranking to me.

      true but the last 5 losses were all double figures and the only quality wins were home vs okc and @brooklyn

    20. er

      er: true but the last 5 losses were all double figures and the only quality wins were home vs okc and @brooklyn

      and i guess you can throw in boston

    21. yellowboy90

      I think it’s time for Coach Woody to go big or go home when Melo comes back. It’s time for Amar’e, Melo, and Chandler to start the games together. With Amar’e working more in the post and as a weak side cutter there is not a real reason why all of them shouldn’t be starting especially with Camby back and Martin on the bench.

    22. JC Knickfan

      I think the Lakers will make playoffs with Utah dropping out. GSW has tons of home game left and Houston has easier schedule.

      Utah
      Remaining SOS: 53% (5th)
      LAL
      Remaining SOS: 49% (22rd)

    23. jon abbey

      ruruland:
      No one ever mentioned this: “(Lebron) didn’t score when Melo was on him, which helped lead to a competitive finish.”

      because is it really true? LeBron had 12 points in the 4th, he scored baskets at 10:33, 10:04, 4:05, 1:38, 0:23. I tend to think Zwerling is just wrong here, but if he’s not, then Woodson is at fault for not keeping Melo on LeBron more.

    24. yellowboy90

      jon abbey: because is it really true? LeBron had 12 points in the 4th, he scored baskets at 10:33, 10:04, 4:05, 1:38, 0:23. I tend to think Zwerling is just wrong here, but if he’s not, then Woodson is at fault for not keeping Melo on LeBron more.

      If I remember I think those baskets where off of transition and rebounds where Smith and Felton where guarding him on 3 pointers.

      Against Melo Lebron didn’t drive to the basket and settled for long 2s. They usually play each other very well but I think Melo would get into foul trouble trying to guard Lebron for a long time.

    25. er

      jon abbey: because is it really true? LeBron had 12 points in the 4th, he scored baskets at 10:33, 10:04, 4:05, 1:38, 0:23. I tend to think Zwerling is just wrong here, but if he’s not, then Woodson is at fault for not keeping Melo on LeBron more.

      I actually think it is true. i dont remember lebron ever scoring on melo. But the same could be the same the other way lol

    26. jon abbey

      well, even if it is true, it’s a very Ruru-esque reading of events. what “helped lead to a competitive finish” was being up by 14 at halftime, so when MIA kicked the crap out of us by 20 in the second half, we only lost by 6.

    27. Owen

      That sloan study is interesting. People are trying to pick it apart, with mixed results from what I can see. It’s interesting to see how different defense is when played by Sanders and Howard (and Lee). I suspect they are going to refine these results considerably down the road.

      But I am all for the Sloan stuff. It’s a little crazy though. When this site started it was basically one of the very few go to sites for nba statistics (when did b-ref debut) and Mike K was one of a bare handful of people who cared at all about basketball statistics. That was what? 2005? Now there is an event featuring boldface names and billionaires and stuffed to the gills with MIT phds, all dedicated to basketball statistics (ok, some other stuff too.)

      Just kind of amazing….

    28. ruruland

      jon abbey:
      well, even if it is true, it’s a very Ruru-esque reading of events. what “helped lead to a competitive finish” was being up by 14 at halftime, so when MIA kicked the crap out of us by 20 in the second half, we only lost by 6.

      I’m not ghost writing for Zwerling.

      My only point was that Melo had good possessions on Lebron, as he typically does, which was never talked about or juxtaposed with the “Lebron shut down Melo” because the Heat trapped Melo pick and rolls.

    29. thenamestsam

      Yeah I don’t think Lakers at 9 is crazy. They’re at 11 in the Hollinger Power Rankings. Overall, while they’re still just at .500 they have a positive scoring margin while playing a VERY difficult schedule. Factor in that they’ve been playing better recently and I’d say they deserve to be somewhere around #10. It should be fun to actually have a somewhat intriguing playoff race in the NBA. Doesn’t happen often.

    30. er

      JC Knickfan: I think the Lakers will make playoffs with Utah dropping out. GSW has tons of home game left and Houston has easier schedule. UtahRemaining SOS: 53% (5th)LALRemaining SOS: 49% (22rd)

      Stern would love that…lose Utah and add LA. Uh Yes please

    31. AHouston20

      Melo is out tonight, and Woodson is rolling with the same Felton Shump White Thomas Chandler starting 5 for some reason, so this might get ugly quickly

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