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Monday, November 24, 2014

Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jun 27 2013)

  • [New York Post] Knicks can go several directions at 24 (Thu, 27 Jun 2013 04:32:50 -0500)
    There are the safe choices of Michigan guard Tim Hardaway Jr., Cal guard Allen Crabbe and North Carolina small forward Reggie Bullock — if they fall to the 24th pick.
    Then there’s the riskier selections — shooting guard Ricky Ledo, who didn’t play a college game, and combo forward Tony…

  • [New York Post] It’s time to decide, Cavaliers (Thu, 27 Jun 2013 03:48:55 -0500)
    So you’re the Cavaliers. You have the No. 1 pick in Wednesday night’s NBA Draft at Barclays Center that Jay-Z apparently gave the league permission to use.
    Do you take Maryland center Alex Len, the guy with the walking boot on his left foot? Should you opt for…

  • [New York Times] Second-Round Picks More Important Than Ever in NBA (Thu, 27 Jun 2013 07:52:36 GMT)
    There was a time when second-round draft picks in the NBA held about as much value to some teams as the caps that were given to each player chosen on draft night.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: After Year Off, Bird Is Back With the Pacers (Thu, 27 Jun 2013 03:31:37 GMT)
    Larry Bird will be reintroduced Thursday as the Indiana Pacers’ president of basketball operations.    

  • [New York Times] After Raising Lehigh’s Profile, Guard Works on His (Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:59:07 GMT)
    Lehigh guard C. J. McCollum, who missed most of his senior season with a broken foot, is projected to be a lottery pick in Thursday’s N.B.A. draft.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Spending Hems In Nets and Knicks (Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:55:11 GMT)
    Sixty players will be selected in the 2013 N.B.A. draft, which will be held at Brooklyn’s Barclays Center on Thursday night.    

  • [New York Times] Noel, Ukrainian Len Among Candidates for Cavs’ Top Pick (Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:34:15 GMT)
    With no consensus sure-fire star as an obvious target, Thursday’s NBA Draft has a sense of suspense about it with numerous candidates for the Cleveland Cavaliers, who own the number one pick.    

  • [New York Times] Clippers Introduce Rivers and Have a Title in Mind (Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:43:10 GMT)
    After completing a deal to lure Coach Doc Rivers from the Boston Celtics, the Los Angeles Clippers were clear about their championship aspirations.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks draft picks seldom stick (Thu, 27 Jun 2013 03:56:31 GMT)
    Iman Shumpert defied incredibly long odds last season, and it had nothing to do with his comeback following major knee surgery.    

  • 19 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jun 27 2013)

    1. massive

      The word out of Portland is that LMA wants to play in a bigger market (or probably just a more competitive team). I honestly hate not having the assets to make a move like that happen.

    2. Kikuchiyo

      I’m reading that Tyson Chandler thought that Kidd still “had a couple more years in him.” My guess is that Chandler wanted the Knicks to trade for Jason Terry so the three could “perform” as a kind of three-part statue commemorating the 2011 Dallas Mavericks.

      Call it, “82 Games In Stone.”

      Link: http://tinyurl.com/njk8ths

    3. Zanzibar

      So looks like Lakers are out and Dwight is seriously considering the Mavs who will want to free up some cap not just to sign D12 but also to fill out their roster if they sign Dwight. They have both Mayo and Carter under contract at SG for another year. Somehow the ESPN trade machine allows James White for Carter to go through. Carter had a .137 WS/48 last season and 40% 3FG%. Carter for one year is better than having to sign JR to a 4 year deal. Agree?

      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nmnklzh

    4. Frank

      massive:
      In other terrifying news,

      Adrian Wojnarowski ?@WojYahooNBA now
      Boston and Brooklyn discussing a blockbuster deal that would send Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to Nets, league sources tell Y! Sports

      http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba–nets-pursuing-trade-for-kevin-garnett–paul-pierce-171213145.html

      The Eastern Conference is getting too competitive for my liking.

      If this is for real (and Woj suggested that the deal would include Humphries, G Wallace, Shengelia, and 3 1st round picks. Now the Nets owe a 2015 1st rounder to Atlanta which means they can’t trade 2014 or 2016. So it’d have to be this year’s + 2017 + 2019. Once you start giving away draft picks 4 and 6 years into the future (when KG, Pierce, and Deron might all be retired), that’s the recipe for blowing up your future. If it’s for real (big if), this is like a Steinbrenner 1980s move. For any Seinfeld fans out there:

      Frank: What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?! He had 30 home runs and over 100 RBIs last year. He’s got a rocket for an arm. You don’t know what the hell you’re doin’!
      Steinbrenner: Well, Buhner was a good prospect, no question about it. But my baseball people loved Ken Phelps’ bat. They kept saying “Ken Phelps, Ken Phelps.”

    5. Frank

      Zanzibar: They have both Mayo and Carter under contract at SG for another year.

      Pretty sure Mayo has an opt-out this summer which I’m sure he will use. But I’ve been advocating for this kind of move forever. Although there are tons of guys out there with nonguaranteed contracts now – not sure that there is any reason for Dallas to trade with us as opposed to someone else.

    6. thenamestsam

      Frank: If this is for real (and Woj suggested that the deal would include Humphries, G Wallace, Shengelia, and 3 1st round picks. Now the Nets owe a 2015 1st rounder to Atlanta which means they can’t trade 2014 or 2016.So it’d have to be this year’s + 2017 + 2019.Once you start giving away draft picks 4 and 6 years into the future (when KG, Pierce, and Deron might all be retired), that’s the recipe for blowing up your future.

      Not entirely sure I agree with you. The Humphries and Wallace contracts are terrible. Yeah giving away first round picks in the future is a bad long term strategy, but in the end 3 first round picks that aren’t coming due for a long time isn’t a terrible cost in my opinion. If all those picks end up in the 20s and KG and Pierce give them a couple solid years it’s a heist for the Nets. If all 3 end up as lottery picks and KG and Pierce fall off a cliff it’s a disaster. But I think overall it’s a reasonable trade for both sides. I don’t think the Nets would be favored to win the East – their bench is still a mess, they’d be relying a lot on a couple old guys, they’d need to gel, etc. but damn if Deron, JJ, Pierce, KG and Lopez isn’t a really really nice starting lineup. They could potentially compete for a title in my opinion. I wonder if that much talent would be sufficient to lure Phil to Brooklyn.

    7. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I love how the post calls Hardaway a “safe” pick.

      Yes, if “safe” is having a career benchwarmer with a first-rounder.

    8. mokers

      Woj was basically a Boston mouthpiece during the Rivers and Clippers negotiations. I think this is Ainge trying to create a market for his assets. He just got outplayed by the Clippers front office. The Nets could be very stupid and do this move, but that deal is terrible. There is no reason to take on pierce as that is salary the Celtics don’t want during a rebuild. And if you are rebuilding, why would you want the Wallace contract?

    9. thenamestsam

      mokers:
      Woj was basically a Boston mouthpiece during the Rivers and Clippers negotiations. I think this is Ainge trying to create a market for his assets. He just got outplayed by the Clippers front office. The Nets could be very stupid and do this move, but that deal is terrible. There is no reason to take on pierce as that is salary the Celtics don’t want during a rebuild. And if you are rebuilding, why would you want the Wallace contract?

      How does getting a first round pick for a high paid coach he didn’t want count as getting outplayed?

    10. massive

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      I love how the post calls Hardaway a “safe” pick.

      Yes, if “safe” is having a career benchwarmer with a first-rounder.

      Exactly. Why draft Hardaway Jr when you can probably sign Carlos Delfino for similar money?

    11. Frank

      thenamestsam: If all those picks end up in the 20s and KG and Pierce give them a couple solid years it’s a heist for the Nets. If all 3 end up as lottery picks and KG and Pierce fall off a cliff it’s a disaster.

      That’s the problem– 2017? 2019? you have no idea what those picks will be. Lopez will probably still be in his prime, but Deron will probably be an overpaid average player by then and KG/Pierce will almost certainly be retired. Those could EASILY be lottery picks.

      thenamestsam: I don’t think the Nets would be favored to win the East – their bench is still a mess, they’d be relying a lot on a couple old guys, they’d need to gel, etc.

      Yes- that’s the problem. And one injury and you’ve got Marshon Brooks shooting 22 times/game.

    12. Frank

      massive: Exactly. Why draft Hardaway Jr when you can probably sign Carlos Delfino for similar money?

      yeah i want no part of Hardaway Jr – he doesn’t seem to have any elite skill. If he was a super-hard-nosed defender that’d be one thing – but he’s just average at everything. Smells like 8th man at best.

    13. Keniman Shumpwalker

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      I love how the post calls Hardaway a “safe” pick.

      Yes, if “safe” is having a career benchwarmer with a first-rounder.

      Bu…bu…bbbuuut he’s got pedigree! I mean, if your dad played in the NBA you obviously have “an NBA professional mentality” (that gem was from Frischilla from that same article).

    14. mokers

      thenamestsam: How does getting a first round pick for a high paid coach he didn’t want count as getting outplayed?

      There is only one pick and that pick is in 2015. Ainge put out bullshit ultimatums to get the Clippers to make up their mind. Saying he was played was not a good description though. I guess I should say I don’t see Ainge fleecing anybody, especially since Kevin McHale doesn’t have personnel control in Houston.

    15. mokers

      coming back from previous thread

      Happy at 24:
      Schroeder
      Dieng
      Trade it for Kostas Papanikolaou
      Larkin
      Bullock

      Meh:
      Crabbe
      Snell
      Franklin
      Canaan
      Kabongo
      Wolters

      Meh, meh:
      Rice Jr
      Withey
      Gobert

      Sad:
      Mitchell
      Hardaway Jr

    16. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Happy:
      Schroeder
      Dieng
      Larkin
      Bullock
      Canaan

      Meh:
      Papanikolaou
      Crabbe
      Franklin
      Rice JR.
      Nogueira
      Ledo

      Sad:
      Mitchell
      Wolters
      Withey

      Angry:
      Hardaway JR
      Gobert (seriously, this guy weighs less than Oliver Perez’ confidence)

      Catatonic:
      Kabongo (I see nothing that indicates his ceiling is higher than decent back up for the Erie Bayhawks).

    17. thenamestsam

      Frank: That’s the problem– 2017? 2019? you have no idea what those picks will be. Lopez will probably still be in his prime, but Deron will probably be an overpaid average player by then and KG/Pierce will almost certainly be retired. Those could EASILY be lottery picks.

      Of course, but they could just as easily not be lottery picks. It doesn’t make sense to judge a trade exclusively by the worst case scenario. I think it will depend somewhat on exactly what the protections are on the picks and exactly what years the picks are. I saw somebody saying on twitter that the Nets actually do have a pick in 2015, the Hawks just have a right to swap with them. Don’t know if that’s right or not.

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