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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jun 14 2012)

  • [New York Post] Arbitration case heard for Knicks’ Lin, Novak (Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:52:05 -0500)
    Steve Novak made a surprise appearance at the arbitration hearing in New York Wednesday, his 29th birthday, as the NBA Players Association fought to restore the 3-point shooting ace’s and Jeremy Lin’s Bird rights. A favorable outcome would be a major boon to the Knicks’ free-agency prospects.
    No…

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Finals: N.B.A. Finals — Fatigue Is Not a Factor, Heat Coach Says (Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:30:08 GMT)
    Erik Spoelstra insists that the Heat are not worn down, even though the Thunder looked fresher, faster, looser and more precise, outscoring the Heat 58-40 in the second half of Game 1.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Finals – Impostors on Twitter Post Up (Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:25:20 GMT)
    Phony Twitter users like @NotBillWalton and @NotWaltFrazier are in playoff form as the N.B.A. season reaches its climax.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Wade Still Riding Seesaw in Playoffs (Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:55:26 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade has been up and down in the postseason. His shot selection came into question in the Heat’s Game 1 loss to the Thunder.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Heat-Thunder Gets a Big Number (Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:38:59 GMT)
    The Heat-Thunder game on Tuesday was the highest-rated Game 1 of the finals since ESPN/ABC acquired N.B.A. rights in 2002-03.

  • [New York Times] Hearing Held on Lin’s Contract Status (Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:39:07 GMT)
    An arbitrator will decide in the next two weeks whether to grant so-called Bird rights to Jeremy Lin and three other N.B.A. players.

  • [New York Times] The Spotlight Is There for Durant, if He Wants It (Thu, 14 Jun 2012 00:07:59 GMT)
    Not many know much about the guy who dominated Game 1 of the NBA Finals other than he’s pretty good.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: On NBA TV, the Team Relives the Dream (Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:37:22 GMT)
    In a documentary that will be shown on Wednesday night on NBA TV, Jordan, Bird, Barkley and Magic Johnson (among others) tell the story of the 1992 Olympic “Dream Team.”

  • 26 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jun 14 2012)

    1. thenamestsam

      I’m very excited for this game tonight. HUGE swing game in this series. If OKC wins again Miami will have their backs against the wall already knowing they either have to win all 3 at home or face going back to OKC needing to win games 6 and 7 consecutively on the road, a near impossible task. If Miami wins they capture home court advantage and the series swings in their favor as winning even 2 of 3 at home would send them back to OKC needing just a split.

      Simmons posted on twitter earlier that he expects a big Wade game, and I’m not sure I agree with him but I definitely think he’s right that Wade will be locked in after the main story the last two days has been about how bad he looked in Game 1. If he’s physically capable of bringing it in a big way he definitely will, I’m just not sure his health is good enough.

      Last thought – Game 1 was really a game of two halves. When Miami was playing at their best the Thunder were looking skittish in the first two periods, and when OKC was at their best Wade was actively sabotaging the Heat in the 2nd half. It never really felt like both teams were playing their best at the same time. If we get that tonight it should be a lot of fun – these teams are both capable of real excellence.

    2. Frank

      @2 – Wade is guaranteed to put up 25+ shots tonight with all the talk. Question is whether any of them will be good shots, as opposed to his fadeaway multiple pump fake types. Even his closer shots are still very high level of difficulty.

      btw – this is worth a quick watch – 2 computer scientist-types that will be taking all the SportVu data and trying to make sense of all of it. Point of note is that they think mid-range jumpers are by far the worst shots in the game – not only because the FG% is low, but also because the ORR on those is very low too.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxsNitIS9E8&feature=player_embedded#!

    3. johnlocke

      He averaged 17 shot attempts during the season and 19 during the playoffs, if he shoots 25+ times, I don’t think that’s a good thing for the Heat, b/c he’s not going to get 25 layups…that means even more jumpshots. Lebron should shoot 25+ shots tonight.

      Frank:
      @2 – Wade is guaranteed to put up 25+ shots tonight with all the talk. Question is whether any of them will be good shots, as opposed to his fadeaway multiple pump fake types.Even his closer shots are still very high level of difficulty.

      btw – this is worth a quick watch – 2 computer scientist-types that will be taking all the SportVu data and trying to make sense of all of it.Point of note is that they think mid-range jumpers are by far the worst shots in the game – not only because the FG% is low, but also because the ORR on those is very low too.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxsNitIS9E8&feature=player_embedded#!

    4. d-mar

      I think the sports media has overreacted to Game 1, which is par for the course, and did a quick leap from the LeBron bandwagon onto the Durant bandwagon. We should all know from watching NBA playoff games over the years that each game is a game unto itself, and does not effect how the next one will be played. Not that long ago, there were those who were wondering if the Spurs would ever lose a playoff game after they went up 2-0 on OKC, and look what happened.

      Miami will make some adjustments, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they win going away tonight. Still say OKC in 7 games.

    5. PC

      I am noticing that the Heat don’t push the ball late in the game with a lead. They slow down every possession and run the shot clock down. They’re bound to give up every lead doing that. Lebron needs to attack off of big defensive rebounds….when he doesn’t, he takes away one of his huge advantages.

    6. JK47

      Maybe my blind hatred for them is clouding my vision, but Miami sure seemed to get every call in that game, including the obvious foul by LeBron on Durant on the deciding play.

    7. Robtachi

      They may not win the series, but I am truly jealous of OKC fans. They have (hopefully) many years of Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka ahead of them.

      I will never get sick of watching Ibaka block people. It’s a thing of beauty.

    8. formido

      Every call like that very dubious blocking call against Battier with a couple minutes left. I love that okc fans are only going to remember that last play when they wouldn’t have even been in the position except for the previous terrifically late call.

    9. Robtachi

      Wallace is opting out of his final year with the Nets. They say they want to give him a multi-year deal, but if you’re Wallace, why on earth would you want to go there long-term without a guarantee of Dwight going with you, or even D-Will sticking around? What a terrible, terrible trade when you could have had the 6th overall pick…

    10. Robtachi

      Robtachi:
      Wallace is opting out of his final year with the Nets. They say they want to give him a multi-year deal, but if you’re Wallace, why on earth would you want to go there long-term without a guarantee of Dwight going with you, or even D-Will sticking around? What a terrible, terrible trade when you could have had the 6th overall pick…

      Which actually brings me to a potentially non-crazy scenario… clearly the Nets are not good at making basketball decisions; how impossible is it that if nobody commits to coming to the Nets, they entertain a move for Amar’e despite his obvious warts? They have a ton of cap space with nothing to use it on, crave a star-caliber name, and STAT has already endeared himself admirably (well, mostly) to New York City. Maybe they feel his on-court risk is worth the good will and credibility he might bring to their new operation? I know this idea’s been bandied about in the past, but this Wallace thing, Dwight’s inability to make up his mind, and D-Will’s reluctance to commit to the Nets unless they show they can be, y’know, good, can’t hurt the Knicks’ chances at moving Amar’e and getting out from under his crippling deal, right? Maybe the Nets think Williams would like playing with Stoudemire? It works on paper.

      Maybe they get D’antoni to coach that team!

    11. ruruland

      Robtachi: They may not win the series, but I am truly jealous of OKC fans. They have (hopefully) many years of Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka ahead of them.I will never get sick of watching Ibaka block people. It’s a thing of beauty.

      It depends on if other teams view Harden or Ibaka as max players.

      I don’t think OKC can sign both as max guys and be able to fill out an NBA roster in the next few years.

      I view both as max players.

    12. 2FOR18

      Robtachi: Which actually brings me to a potentially non-crazy scenario… clearly the Nets are not good at making basketball decisions; how impossible is it that if nobody commits to coming to the Nets, they entertain a move for Amar’e despite his obvious warts?They have a ton of cap space with nothing to use it on, crave a star-caliber name, and STAT has already endeared himself admirably (well, mostly) to New York City.Maybe they feel his on-court risk is worth the good will and credibility he might bring to their new operation? I know this idea’s been bandied about in the past, but this Wallace thing, Dwight’s inability to make up his mind, and D-Will’s reluctance to commit to the Nets unless they show they can be, y’know, good, can’t hurt the Knicks’ chances at moving Amar’e and getting out from under his crippling deal, right?Maybe the Nets think Williams would like playing with Stoudemire?It works on paper.

      Maybe they get D’antoni to coach that team!

      Thx. I’ve made too many posts about us dumping Amare on the desperate, depleted Nets, since they have to spend 90% of the cap, by rule, somehow. My dream is a S&T for Wallace at 10 mil a year, leaving us enough cap space to sign Ray Allen or Nash.

    13. Brian Cronin

      how impossible is it that if nobody commits to coming to the Nets, they entertain a move for Amar’e despite his obvious warts?

      Pretty impossible. The only way the Knicks could get rid of Amar’e this offseason is to dump him on a team that wants to get rid of a bad contract of their own. It is not fair, as Amar’e is not bad, but the dude is turning 30 at the beginning of next season and is coming off his worst season of his career, which itself was coming off his previous worst season of his career. Add in a couple of injuries during the past season while also considering his uninsured three-year contract for $63 million and no one is giving up free cap room for that.

      The Knicks’ only hope is to let Amar’e play out of the funk and then maybe trade him.

    14. Brian Cronin

      Good to see Jerry Sloan pull out of the running for the Bobcats gig. That job made no sense for him.

      Of the remaining two guys, it also seems like a poor fit for Brian Shaw. Brian Shaw is a legit head coach candidate. He should wait for a better gig. Like the Orlando job. Quin Snyder seems like the best bet. A decent coach who could really grow with the young Bobcats team and it is not like he’ll get a different gig.

    15. Brian Cronin

      I found this odd in Chad Ford’s Mock Draft. Speaking of Davis, ” How hot of a commodity is Davis? As I wrote on Monday, sources said the Cavs offered the Hornets picks 4, 24, 32 and 33 for the No. 1 pick — a deal the Hornets quickly and firmly declined.”

      I mean, don’t get me wrong, Davis is a hot commodity, but picks 4, 24, 32 and 33 really is not a great haul. The Cavs, for instance, would not have taken that for Kyrie Irving, I don’t believe. So I don’t think that that shows you much of anything. If it was something like pick #3, 10, 20 and 32 then yeah, that’s a real haul. But two secound rounders, a late first rounder and a #4? That’s not worth pretty much any #1 pick.

    16. Brian Cronin

      For amusement’s sake, here is what that trade would have been in the last five drafts:

      For Kyrie Irving:

      Tristan Thompson
      Reggie Jackson
      Justin Harper
      Kyle Singler

      Jackson is good for a #24 pick, but obviously there’s no way you’d do that trade.

      For John Wall:

      Wesley Johnson
      Damion Jones
      Dexter Pittman
      Hassan Whiteside

      It’s not even close. And I’m no John Wall fan.

      For Blake Griffin:

      Tyreke Evans
      Byron Mullens
      Jermaine Taylor
      Dante Cunningham

      Better, but not even close.

      For Derrick Rose:

      Russell Westbrook
      Serge Ibake
      Walter Sharpe
      Joey Dorsey

      Okay, so this one you actually do. Can’t pass up Joey Dorsey, after all.

      For Greg Oden:

      Mike Conley
      Rudy Fernandez
      Gabe Pruitt
      Marcus Williams

      You’d do this one, but only because of Oden’s injuries. I think that goes against the spirit of this game.

      So yeah, that’s not such a great offer that I’d post about it showing how hot of a commodity Davis is.

      (As an aside, I stopped at five because I didn’t feel like just going on and on with it, but the next season would have netted you Tyrus Thomas, Kyle Lowry, Steve Novak and Solomon Jones for Andrea Bargnani. You’d probably do that, too).

    17. Robtachi

      ruruland: It depends on if other teams view Harden or Ibaka as max players.

      I don’t think OKC can sign both as max guys and be able to fill out an NBA roster in the next few years.

      I view both as max players.

      Harden, maybe, but Ibaka as a max player? He’s pretty one-dimensional, no? Even if that dimension is cavernously, interminably awesome and tough to find in today’s NBA. I have a hard time envisioning any guy who doesn’t score the ball at least somewhat prolifically getting a max deal. Take our own Tyson Chandler, for example; if he got a few more buckets a game, he’d be in max territory, and he’s the DPOY. Still, Ibaka will be expensive. When do they have to cross that unfortunate bridge, anyway?

    18. Brian Cronin

      After next season Ibaka and Harden will both be restricted free agents. I would imagine both of them would net offers, so I think there’s a decent chance that they have to lose one of the Big Four at that point. I have them as over the luxury cap next season (maybe juuuuust a tad under it) with Westbrook’s extension and that’s without adding anyone this offseason. They theoretically could keep all four and just dump all other veterans on the team, I guess and hope some of their young players work out. For instance, I imagine that they’ll deal Maynor and make Reggie Jackson the official back-up 1 at some point.

    19. Robtachi

      That’s such a shame to me. I know the cap is there for everyone and discourages wild spending to acquire talent, but you’d like to see teams have the opportunity to keep the young talent they had the good sense to draft/acquire in the first place. Isn’t that what Stern said he wanted to encourage in this new CBA? I see he’s right on top of that, just like everything else.

    20. jon abbey

      Robtachi: Harden, maybe, but Ibaka as a max player? He’s pretty one-dimensional, no? Even if that dimension is cavernously, interminably awesome and tough to find in today’s NBA. I have a hard time envisioning any guy who doesn’t score the ball at least somewhat prolifically getting a max deal.

      Ibaka has become a fantastic jump shooter out to 15 feet or so a la Charles Oakley at the end of his career. OKC charts every shot taken in practice and he is the team’s second best shooter just behind Durant. also, he’s still only 22 and getting better all the time, on both sides of the ball. I think OKC would miss him more than Harden, although it’s probably close.

    21. jon abbey

      did you miss the game last round where he shot 11-11 from the field for 26 points? the majority of those (6) were long jumpers:

      “Baseline cut on the weak side to the basket, where he was the recipient of a high-low pass from Kendrick Perkins off an inbounds play.
      Face-up 19-footer above the top of the circle off a pick-and-pop with Harden. Both defenders committed to Harden, which left Ibaka wide open.
      Face-up 17-footer just inside the key. Sefolosha attacked off a broken play and scrambled the defense, leaving Ibaka uncovered.
      Slam dunk on a dive to the basket. Fisher drove baseline, which drew Duncan away from Ibaka at the high post.
      Slam dunk after playing pick-and-roll with Durant. Ibaka trailed just behind, as Durant split the defenders and drove the lane.
      Baseline 15-footer on the left side, where he was left open after Duncan lent help on Durant’s penetration.
      Fouled at the basket after receiving another interior pass from Perkins off, yes, another inbounds play. Ibaka made both free throws.
      Obscene cuff dunk one-on-one against Duncan. Four passes on the possession.
      Duck-in at the basket. After Durant beat Leonard baseline in isolation on the left side, Duncan had to step out to help, leaving Ibaka unmanned. Ibaka made both free throws.
      Face-up 16-footer on the left side. Durant went right off the pick, kicked the ball out to Westbrook, who swung it back to Ibaka.
      Face-up 15-footer at the nail. When the defense shifted to Durant, Ibaka flashed to the stripe, where Durant found him.
      Face-up 17 footer on the left side. The Harden-Nick Collison angle pick-and-roll on the prompted the kickout to Ibaka on the weak side.
      Tip-in off a missed Harden jump shot. Ibaka established position on DeJuan Blair early and Blair never had a chance.”

    22. Nick C.

      ^ Jon, did you write that up yourself or is it c&p’d? If you did it that is a very informative blow-by-blow. I, for one, don’t pay careful enough attention to notice that Ibaka is effective beyond the rim and just carelessly sorted him into the shotblocker/dunk-putback category.

    23. Frank

      formido:
      Every call like that very dubious blocking call against Battier with a couple minutes left. I love that okc fans are only going to remember that last play when they wouldn’t have even been in the position except for the previousterrifically late call.

      At best that Battier call was a 50/50 which went against Miami. If you watch in slow motion, it sure looked like a blocking foul to me – he kept sliding into Durant even after Durant took off.

      But that last non-call? LBJ literally fouled him 3 separate time (arm, stomach, then chopped down on his leg which is why the shot was short). In a game like that, you can’t swallow your whistle on obvious calls. And the conspiracy theories will start up again.

      Meanwhile, Perkins and Ibaka in the game at the same time is just terrible. They are EACH a combined -18 in the two games, and OKC is a combined -19 in 2 first quarters so far. The starting lineup has to be either Perk/Ibaka, Durant, Sefalosha, Harden, and Westbrook. Especially if Miami is going to start Bosh at center, I think Ibaka should start.

    24. JC Knickfan

      OKC has another season of this team without worry about resign players. Both Harden and Ibaka are going huge offers. Ibaka will 24 going into his restricted FA season. Just base on watching him play during playoff he already much more versatile then TC. He going to battling for DPOY for many years to come. He already has much more refined offensive game and should only get better. Doesn’t everyone wish TC could hit 15-18 feet jumper?

      My guess he will a max offer because any team making an offer will expect him score alot more and play 32 plus minutes. My guess 19.5pt, 12reb, 3.5 block, all-defensive 1st team and top 2 for DPOY.

    25. jon abbey

      Nick C.:
      ^ Jon, did you write that up yourself or is it c&p’d? If you did it that is a very informative blow-by-blow. I, for one, don’t pay careful enough attention to notice that Ibaka is effective beyond the rim and just carelessly sorted him into the shotblocker/dunk-putback category.

      cut and pasted from a blog, that’s why I put it in quotes, sorry.

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