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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jul 11 2013)

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Jackson Is Leaving Job at N.B.A.; Thorn Will Return (Thu, 11 Jul 2013 03:51:58 GMT)
    Stu Jackson will step down as executive vice president for basketball operations at the N.B.A., and Rod Thorn will return as president for basketball operations, the league said.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Andersen Signs Deal to Stay With Heat (Thu, 11 Jul 2013 03:48:28 GMT)
    Chris Andersen is returning to the Heat at a bargain price, a move that lessens the luxury-tax burden the Heat will face this coming season.    

  • [New York Times] After Bargnani Trade, Woodson Sees Big Man as Big Plus for Knicks (Thu, 11 Jul 2013 02:22:29 GMT)
    Coach Mike Woodson and the Knicks view their acquisition of Andrea Bargnani as insurance should Amar’e Stoudemire struggle again next season with injuries.    

  • [New York Times] Bryant Working Hard, Not Dwelling on Howard (Thu, 11 Jul 2013 01:43:17 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant is working hard to get back on the court and not wasting any time thinking about Dwight Howard.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Twisting Path Put Rockets in Position to Sign Howard (Thu, 11 Jul 2013 01:34:38 GMT)
    The move seems simple: the Rockets sign Dwight Howard and become instant contenders. In fact, it was the culmination of a two-year campaign based on hope and hunches.    

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Cavs, Bynum Agree to 2-Year Deal (Thu, 11 Jul 2013 01:34:25 GMT)
    The Cleveland Cavaliers are taking a chance on Andrew Bynum and his creaky knees.    

  • [New York Times] Trades, New Contracts Become Official Around NBA (Thu, 11 Jul 2013 00:43:23 GMT)
    Just about every NBA team would like Dwight Howard.    

  • [New York Times] Paul Quick to Re-Sign With Clippers (Thu, 11 Jul 2013 00:07:55 GMT)
    Chris Paul can’t recall the exact moment he knew that he wanted to stay with the Los Angeles Clippers. Once he decided, though, the free agent All-Star was quick to commit.    

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson has big plans for Bargnani (Thu, 11 Jul 2013 01:08:26 GMT)
    Mike Woodson is convinced he can salvage Andrea Bargnani’s once promising career in New York. “I’ll put him in the best position I can to see that happens in terms of him being successful in helping us win,” Woodson told reporters in Las Vegas.    

  • [New York Post] Woodson: Knicks can compete with Nets (Thu, 11 Jul 2013 03:31:36 -0500)
    LAS VEGAS — Hey Brooklyn, don’t sleep on the Knicks.
    That was coach Mike Woodson’s message from Sin City, where he broke his silence. Woodson said it’s too early to proclaim the Nets have surpassed the Knicks in the Atlantic Division, though that has become the conventional wisdom…

  • [New York Post] Leslie looking to prove his skeptics wrong (Thu, 11 Jul 2013 03:05:03 -0500)
    LAS VEGAS — Tim Hardaway Jr. believes the Knicks netted two first-round picks during the June 27 NBA Draft.
    The Knicks selected the Michigan shooting guard star at No. 24, and in a pleasant surprise to the organization, they were able to sign North Carolina State’s C.J. Leslie after…

  • 26 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jul 11 2013)

    1. TDM

      Billips is joining the Pistons. Another vet guard the Knicks couldn’t afford. The deal is reportedly for 2 years and approx $5m.

    2. SeeWhyDee77

      Yea..I don’t know what the [your choice of expletive] Dumars is thinkin. Rumor has it that the Knicks were interested too. So glad we didn’t make that move. On the other hand..great risk by the Cavs. If it works they will have a really nice core of Bynum, Irving, and Bennett. Which would give them crazy flexibility in any future trade market with having Sideshow Bob, Waiters, and Thompson to dangle in a trade.
      As far as the Knicks go, I would love to add MWP if he gets amnestied. My only concern is adding his volatility to JR’s. other than that, if he played on that 2nd unit with Bargnani, I think it will balance things out as well as keep Melo fresh. I hear the team is also after Tyrus Thomas. I like that move as well but only if we don’t get MWP. Thomas, JR, and MWP is too much for even Phil Jackson to overcome. If we can bring in Brandan Wright, MWP, and Aaron Brooks in on the cheap..I think our roster is set and pretty damn good barring injuries.

    3. alsep73

      Zwerling says we’re the clear favorites for KMart, which is good, but we still need another big man, unless Jerome Jordan or Jeremy Tyler just blow up Vegas Summer League.

    4. TDM

      There was too much to overcome with Billups. He wanted more money than the Knicks could afford, and he is still pissed at the front office for the way he was dismissed by NY. Not to mention, he probably wanted a bigger role than pg3.

      Re: Jerome Jordan – he has been less than impressive in the Orl Summer League. He’s playing for the Pacers. In 28 min of play (over 3 games), he has scored 2 points (from free-throws) and grabbed 6 rebounds. He has no FGAs. He does has 3 blocks, however.

      Plumlee, by comparison, has been amazing – averages of 11 pts, 10 rbs, 4 blks in 29 min./g.

      You can pull the stats here: http://www.nba.com/magic/summer-league-2013-stats

    5. Keniman Shumpwalker

      TDM:
      There was too much to overcome with Billups.He wanted more money than the Knicks could afford, and he is still pissed at the front office for the way he was dismissed by NY.Not to mention, he probably wanted a bigger role than pg3.

      Re: Jerome Jordan – he has been less than impressive in the Orl Summer League.He’s playing for the Pacers.In 28 min of play (over 3 games), he has scored 2 points (from free-throws) and grabbed 6 rebounds.He has no FGAs.He does has 3 blocks, however.

      Plumlee, by comparison, has been amazing – averages of 11 pts, 10 rbs, 4 blks in 29 min./g.

      You can pull the stats here:http://www.nba.com/magic/summer-league-2013-stats

      And thank sweet baby cheesus that there was too much to overcome with Chauncey. I would have been LIVID if we’d signed him. Combine his inability to stay healthy with the fact that he’s not really a PG anymore, more of a spot up shooter than anything, and he’d have been a terrible fit here.

    6. johnno

      Keniman Shumpwalker: more of a spot up shooter than anything,

      And not particularly good at that either. Add me to the list of people who are thrilled that the Knicks couldn’t afford Billups. I thought that he was vastly overrated in his prime and he is no longer even a shadow of the guy he was back then. His reputation as “Mr. Big Shot” is one of the biggest fictions in the history of NBA reporting. I remember reading an article about 2 years ago which said that, in “late and close” situations over the prior 5 years, his shooting percentage was one of the lowest in the entire league — something like 21%.

    7. flossy

      Can we just agree that Jerome Jordan, is not, and will never be, and NBA caliber center?

      The guy is 26 years old, and based on his performance in Summer League, the training staff should be checking his pulse. He’s not good, and he’s not going to get good.

      Maybe someone else who is at least decent (Dalembert? Aldrich?) falls into our lap for cheap, but I’d honestly rather we have Amar’e and Bargnani platoon at back-up center with someone like K-Mart or Artest (god willing) to babysit them on defense, than sign and play a scrub just because he’s 7′ tall.

    8. Hubert

      flossy:
      Can we just agree that Jerome Jordan, is not, and will never be, and NBA caliber center?

      The guy is 26 years old, and based on his performance in Summer League, the training staff should be checking his pulse.He’s not good, and he’s not going to get good.

      Seconded.

      I do, however, have irrational excitement for Jeremy Tyler. At least he’s 22.

    9. Juany8

      Am I the only person who could be ok with Jeffries as our last big? (hoping we get K-Mart of course) I don’t know about you guys, but I kind of wouldn’t mind having someone who will actually take a charge this year, and he’s a perfect player for the switching defensive system the Knicks (and Woodson Hawks before them) sometimes get carried away with.

    10. Keniman Shumpwalker

      johnno: And not particularly good at that either.Add me to the list of people who are thrilled that the Knicks couldn’t afford Billups.I thought that he was vastly overrated in his prime and he is no longer even a shadow of the guy he was back then.His reputation as “Mr. Big Shot” is one of the biggest fictions in the history of NBA reporting.I remember reading an article about 2 years ago which said that, in “late and close” situations over the prior 5 years, his shooting percentage was one of the lowest in the entire league — something like 21%.

      Yeah. The Mr. Big Shot thing is a clear cut case of reality being buried under an avalanche of narrative. A good friend of mine is a Detroit native and Pistons fanatic and, while he respects Billups and appreciates the role he played on the championship team, he has always maintained that Billups was overrated and never caught enough flak for being a chucker and not a true PG.

    11. johnno

      Keniman Shumpwalker: he has always maintained that Billups was overrated and never caught enough flak for being a chucker and not a true PG.

      When the Knicks first acquired Billups, I thought that they were getting a real point guard. After watching him for about 20 games, my reaction was, “This guy has no clue whatsoever how to actually run an offense. He can’t run a simple pnr and the next pass that he makes to a guy for an easy shot will be his first.” I couldn’t wait for them to unload him (until I saw Toney Douglas, of course, at which time I got a major case of “becarefulwhatyouwishfor”).

    12. Keniman Shumpwalker

      johnno: When the Knicks first acquired Billups, I thought that they were getting a real point guard.After watching him for about 20 games, my reaction was, “This guy has no clue whatsoever how to actually run an offense.He can’t run a simple pnr and the next pass that he makes to a guy for an easy shot will be his first.”I couldn’t wait for them to unload him (until I saw Toney Douglas, of course, at which time I got a major case of “becarefulwhatyouwishfor”).

      I had the same reaction. I couldn’t believe how many bad shots he took early in the shot clock and I was similarly befuddled by his inability to capably run the PnR. Frankly, he wasn’t much better than Douglas in that regard.

    13. Nick C.

      Keniman Shumpwalker: I had the same reaction. I couldn’t believe how many bad shots he took early in the shot clock and I was similarly befuddled by his inability to capably run the PnR. Frankly, he wasn’t much better than Douglas in that regard.

      Didn’t we start referring to him as Chauncey “Pullups” after about three games?

    14. flossy

      Juany8:
      Am I the only person who could be ok with Jeffries as our last big? (hoping we get K-Mart of course) I don’t know about you guys, but I kind of wouldn’t mind having someone who will actually take a charge this year, and he’s a perfect player for the switching defensive system the Knicks (and Woodson Hawks before them) sometimes get carried away with.

      I also wouldn’t mind it. At least you know what you’re going to get with Jeffries, and his defensive versatility would be nice to have.

      Of course, if we want him, I think Grunwald could call him up the day before training camp so it’s not a huge priority at this point. But better Jared Jeffries than Jerome Jordan, IMO.

    15. JK47

      Nick C.: Didn’t we start referring to him as Chauncey “Pullups” after about three games?

      Haha, no I believe it was “Chancy” Pullups.

    16. flossy

      Keniman Shumpwalker: I had the same reaction. I couldn’t believe how many bad shots he took early in the shot clock and I was similarly befuddled by his inability to capably run the PnR. Frankly, he wasn’t much better than Douglas in that regard.

      He’s never been much of a PnR guard, but it seemed like he actually just refused to run it as a “screw you” to D’Antoni, whom he disliked seemingly right off the bat.

    17. Frank

      flossy: Can we just agree that Jerome Jordan, is not, and will never be, and NBA caliber center?

      The guy is 26 years old, and based on his performance in Summer League, the training staff should be checking his pulse. He’s not good, and he’s not going to get good.

      He was one of the best centers in the D-League last year averaging about 17p/10r/3b per 40 in 42 games (in about 1200 minutes). Draftexpress thought he was a legit NBA player after watching him in the D-League. His (very small sample) NBA per-min numbers are solid. Not sure I’d make much of a 28 minute sample in Summer League when the guards all hog the ball and it’s basically a free-for-all.

    18. Keniman Shumpwalker

      flossy: He’s never been much of a PnR guard, but it seemed like he actually just refused to run it as a “screw you” to D’Antoni, whom he disliked seemingly right off the bat.

      It certainly appeared that way. His timing on the PnR was just awful and he would half-ass it: never even attempted to come hard around the screen and create the crease necessary to deliver the ball to the dive man. It basically always ended up in a pull-up jumper from Chauncey or a re-set.

    19. bocker84

      I’m an avid reader but a seldom poster – but this rumor made me want to jump on the board.

      Anyone else out there hear about the Rumor Prigs + Stat for Rondo? It’ll probably be more complicated than that, but that is the idea at the least. Thoughts?

    20. yellowboy90

      bocker84:
      I’m an avid reader but a seldom poster – but this rumor made me want to jump on the board.

      Anyone else out there hear about the Rumor Prigs + Stat for Rondo?It’ll probably be more complicated than that, but that is the idea at the least.Thoughts?

      I am pretty sure it’s a hoax and can’t happen anyway because prigs can’t be traded until mid year or something now that the deal is official

    21. nicos

      Juany8:
      Am I the only person who could be ok with Jeffries as our last big? (hoping we get K-Mart of course) I don’t know about you guys, but I kind of wouldn’t mind having someone who will actually take a charge this year, and he’s a perfect player for the switching defensive system the Knicks (and Woodson Hawks before them) sometimes get carried away with.

      His defense (and incredibly enough his offense) was a huge part of that Linsanity run two years ago. He’s every bit the the communicator/team defense guy that Chandler is. He’s also a great teammate and bench guy. I think at the vet minimum he’s an absolute no-brainer but his role shouldn’t be more than eleventh/twelfth man.

    22. thenamestsam

      nicos: His defense (and incredibly enough his offense) was a huge part of that Linsanity run two years ago. He’s every bit the the communicator/team defense guy that Chandler is.He’s also a great teammate and bench guy.I think at the vet minimum he’s an absolute no-brainer but his role shouldn’t be more than eleventh/twelfth man.

      Yeah, I’m very pro Jeffries. He’s incredibly limited, but he does all the little things and seemed like an amazing teammate. He’d be perfect for the 12th man.

      yellowboy90: I am pretty sure it’s a hoax and can’t happen anyway because prigs can’t be traded until mid year or something now that the deal is official

      Besides, why is Boston moving Rondo for a guard they could have had for a few million bucks two weeks ago and Amare?

    23. Juany8

      thenamestsam: Yeah, I’m very pro Jeffries. He’s incredibly limited, but he does all the little things and seemed like an amazing teammate. He’d be perfect for the 12th man.

      Besides, why is Boston moving Rondo for a guard they could have had for a few million bucks two weeks ago and Amare?

      Makes more sense if it’s shump and Amare…. And I think the Knicks would just about have to go for that deal. I love shump though and am irrationally optimistic about his ceiling (keep in mind that as good as harden is now, there were still people saying OKC had made the wrong pick in his first 2 years, he wasn’t the star he is now)

    24. SeeWhyDee77

      Rondo? In NY?? Is it really possible?? And they would take STAT?? Please tell me ur kidding! If it is even remotely possible..yes..yes do it even of it costs Shump. Love Shump..but love rondo more. Say they would..I’m thinking it would hafta be in a package for Felton, Shump, and Stat. But..who would they trade to make the salaries match? Lee is the only other salary I can see them dumping because I imagine they would want to keep Green. And they can’t move humphries in that kinda deal, rite? But if it is at all possible, I’d do that deal..as long as it doesn’t cost Melo or Chandler..because word has it that AK has agreed to sign in BK. NOW I am concerned that they can overtake us for the Atlantic Division crown

    25. bobneptune

      SeeWhyDee77:
      Y
      As far as the Knicks go, I would love to add MWP if he gets amnestied. My only concern is adding his volatility to JR’s.

      That’s kind of like saying, “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln…. how did you like the play!” :-)

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