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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jul 05 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: DolanALL in need of assist (Thu, 05 Jul 2012 04:05:04 GMT)
    A funereal pall must have come over Jim Dolan’s annual Fourth of July bash Wednesday night, just about the time the grand fireworks finale was set to go off, when word came from Phoenix that Steve Nash wasn’t coming to the Garden.

  • [New York Times] Steve Nash Heads to Lakers, Leaving Knicks in Lurch (Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:20:07 GMT)
    Steve Nash, the longtime Phoenix Suns star and part-time New York resident, will join the Lakers, thrusting them back into title contention.

  • [New York Times] Nets Move to Brooklyn With Legitimacy in Sight (Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:00:11 GMT)
    The Nets have played in seven different arenas. But when Deron Williams re-signed, it was as if the franchise had washed away its troubled past while crossing the Hudson.

  • [New York Times] Suns Have Busy 4th in Readying for Life After Nash (Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:39:30 GMT)
    The Phoenix Suns are off and running in their roster makeover to face life after Steve Nash.

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Suns, Dragic Reach 4-Year Deal (Thu, 05 Jul 2012 07:03:04 GMT)
    Goran Dragic is coming back to Phoenix, where he is likely to take over point guard duties for the departed Steve Nash.

  • [New York Times] Nash Headed to Lakers: Report (Thu, 05 Jul 2012 05:09:30 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Lakers have reached an agreement to land All Star point guard Steve Nash in a trade with the Phoenix Suns, U.S. media reported on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Nash Goes to Lakers in Sign-And-Trade Deal (Thu, 05 Jul 2012 05:57:00 GMT)
    Steve Nash is going to the Los Angeles Lakers, a Pacific Division rival the two-time MVP point guard tried so hard to beat, with little success, in his eight seasons with the Phoenix Suns.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: A Day for Hot Dogs (and Nets Basketball) (Thu, 05 Jul 2012 04:22:18 GMT)
    With the aid of Nathan’s annual Hot Dog Eating Contest, the Brooklyn Nets and guard MarShon Brooks took to Coney Island on Wednesday afternoon to continue rebranding the franchise.

  • 217 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jul 05 2012)

    1. iserp

      Toronto renounced to Jerryd Bayless rights, isn’t it?

      He would be a fine target for the knicks to complement the backcourt. I’d still prefer Sessions, but there are very few options remaining to complement the PG position.

    2. Gideon Zaga

      Oh Please! Jared who? Are u kidding me? We might as well go ahead and sign the power rangers. I heard they are free agents too. You guys are unbelievable

    3. mr.JayP

      What PG’s are available that we could realistically go after ? We are def. running out of options.

      Does anyone still have confidence in our front office to actually get someone good….with a decent manageable contract ?

    4. Frank

      Think PHX has any interest in a trade for Frye, using the same package as we offered (not Shump)? They already have Markieff Morris, Warrick, and now Beasley that can play the 4, and Frye’s contract is for 3 more years. That could save them a boatload of money, and Morris is a reasonable imitation of Frye while being younger and cheaper.

      The other possibility is that if we must have Felton, we could S&T with Portland with that same package, taking back Kurt Thomas’s contract too.

    5. Z-man

      For better or worse, thank goodness the Nash drama is over. I am still very optimistic on this team.

      One aspect of the trade that nobody has fretted about is the inclusion of Jerome Jordan. He looked very servicable during his limited minutes last year (and his stats more than confirm this,) so I think he can be a very good back-up to Tyson, especially with Tyson’s mentorship.

      I also think that people are underestimating the “something to prove” aspect of this team. Now Lin will want to prove that he is better as a starter than Nash would have been. Shump is gonna want to prove that he is too valuable to be trade bait. TD is gonna want to prove that he is a legit NBA guard. Amare and Melo want to prove that they can play successfully together and match up with the Heat. Woodson wants to prove that he is a championship-caliber coach. Novak wants to prove that he is more than a one-trick pony.

      Hard to believe that the success of the franchise now rests on the shoulders of a guy who was a completely unknown waiver wire guy six months ago.

    6. cgreene

      I was just thinking and saying the same thing to a friend. Jeremy Lin is the absolute lynchpin to the success of this team over the next 3 years. 30 games. Hurt knee. Odds can’t be great that he’s really that good can they?

    7. Gideon Zaga

      Nice post Z man but this franchise is such a joke and it’s not even funny. What pains me is how everyone uses us to get their great deals and how stupid my fellow fans are because we want to sign every scrub on the market and we all think we can get everyone we want. How about some realism for once. I keep hearing names like Felton, really? Are u kidding? We have stop this notion of “ifs” and “oh if he can play like his potential”. Felton was a cancer last year and is fat, he reminds me of Baron Davis. Oh and speaking of BD how is his rehab working out, I thought you guys threw out numbers on how he could return to his 07/08 self when he was in GS. Look at how the Lakers just swooped in and took Nash from us. Yet we sat and played stupid cat and mouse games with TOR. Come on. We have to stop going for the under performers like the Felton’s and the Lewis or even the projects like Pirgioni or Bayless. Let’s start advocating for legit talent. I mean Hinrich sounds good, so does Morrow, Camby, Brooks(still evaluating), Allen but Felton, Pinochio and others shouldn’t even cross our minds. You should see how the Laker fans think. It’s Dwight Howard or bust for them. For us it’s Felton or some other underachiever or whoever we can sign for signing sake. How about we bring back the exact same team. Excluding Fields, T’D and maybe Gadzuric of course. We are just too pathetic of a franchise and fan base. We don’t have to get everyone. Realise this, no one really wants to play here. They just use us when they are desperate or need to get better deals. That’s why it irks me when we let guys like Machado go, guys who have proven talent and have something to prove. Now we’re going after Felton. Wander what he has to prove. I remember you guys said Baron had something to prove last season.

    8. iserp

      Gideon Zaga: Oh Please! Jared who? Are u kidding me? We might as well go ahead and sign the power rangers. I heard they are free agents too. You guys are unbelievable

      I mean, he is really similar to Goran Dragic, and while the dragon is totally overrated everybody has forgotten about Jerryd Bayless.

    9. Gideon Zaga

      I miss the old days, especially the Clyde and Reed days. At least players really wanted to come and play here.

    10. David Crockett

      It looks like Sessions is the best FA on the market right now at PG. (I really don’t care to see any part of Felton’s horrific offense. If he played above average defense it’d be one thing, but… eww.)

      Hey, does it strike anyone else as odd that PHO took a cash-and-late first round picks deal for Nash from a division rival? That strikes me as quite unorthodox. I don’t know their situation. Are they up against the tax threshold? Did they just not want players?

    11. Gideon Zaga

      Really now. How similar? To me if you have to convince me then I’m sorry he’s not worth my time. Real talent is easily recognized. Say what you want about Lin being cut and waived and blah; however during that summer league and the showdown between him and John Wall, there was no question the kid had talent. Same way there is no question about Machado and yet he’s undrafted. But I don’t blame them. No one wants to roll the dice because they’re more interested in keeping their jobs than their teams.

      iserp: I mean, he is really similar to Goran Dragic, and while the dragon is totally overrated everybody has forgotten about Jerryd Bayless.

    12. d-mar

      Can’t Toronto just walk away from the Landry deal? I thought nothing could be signed until 7/11. The only reason they offered him that ridiculous amount of money was to screw us out of getting Nash, I would think they would gladly back out now.

    13. Z-man

      GZ, you make some good points (e.g. Baron was a complete bust) but I disagree on some. First, we did get the Melo and Chandler deals done where other teams felt abused the same way we do now. Second, we had absolutely no PG options within the cap last year so Baron was seen as a low-risk, high-reward possibility that in retrospect just didn’t pan out but didn’t set the franchise back. Felton is being considered as a pure backup so it isn’t the same as before when he was a 40 mpg starter. Machado was passed over by every team twice and is on a summer league deal..and he was worked out by the Knicks, maybe they saw something that made them think he’s not an NBA player.

      Look, Nash could blow out his back and the Lakers can be screwed by this deal. I’m not sure it gets them past OKC anyway. Kobe and Gasol are getting older and more injury prone. Not sure I agree that they know what they’re doing more than we do.

    14. David Crockett

      David Crockett:

      Hey, does it strike anyone else as odd that PHO took a cash-and-late first round picks deal for Nash from a division rival? That strikes me as quite unorthodox. I don’t know their situation. Are they up against the tax threshold? Did they just not want players?

      Nevermind. I just read the Times story that quotes Nash as saying he requested the S&T directly, and PHO buys themselves some flexibility.

    15. Gideon Zaga

      But seriously most of the time s&t is done with draft picks anyways. This is more of a food chain problem. The Lakers like all the other premier franchises in every sport get whoever they want when they want them.

      David Crockett:
      It looks like Sessions is the best FA on the market right now at PG. (I really don’t care to see any part of Felton’s horrific offense. If he played above average defense it’d be one thing, but… eww.)

      Hey, does it strike anyone else as odd that PHO took a cash-and-late first round picks deal for Nash from a division rival? That strikes me as quite unorthodox. I don’t know their situation. Are they up against the tax threshold? Did they just not want players?

    16. Z-man

      I’d rather have Bayless or Sessions or the guy from Spain than Felton, but can live with any of the 3.

    17. Gideon Zaga

      Thanks Z man but my point is we have to stop looking to these washed up players who’s best season were years ago and look for productive assests. More like now players instead or past time players or vets in the now.

    18. iserp

      Yes, i think Sessions is a bet P&R player that could play nicely with STAT, but beggars can’t be choosers, Sessions might get around the full MLE (Houston’s gotta sign somebody at the PG, right?)

      I am hoping for Prigioni at the vet min. But i think he won’t come if we don’t offer the BAE at least.

    19. David Crockett

      Gideon Zaga:
      Thanks Z man but my point is we have to stop looking to these washed up players who’s best season were years ago and look for productive assests. More like now players instead or past time players or vets in the now.

      But GZ, you’re a little all over the place this morning.

      It’s not clear to me that the Knicks really are front-runners for Ray Felton. At this point, I’ve seen nothing more substantive than reporters tossing names around.

      For the most part, NY can’t sign many guys who are in their primes. So anytime you hear about that kind of deal it’s a long shot. No sense getting worked up until the ink on a deal is dry, imo. NY needs to win a playoff round before people start coming for below market value.

      Until then, all we can offer is the MLE, the mini-MLE, and the minimum. So we have to hit on bargain bin guys like Novak and Lin, who outperform their deals.

      I’m disappointed that Nash didn’t work, but that was still a long shot even when talks got serious. So, we’re really in the same place we were last week: searching the bargain bins for useful players to plug in around the core. We’re gonna have to look at flawed players; be they proven veterans (TM), like Davis and Felton, or young guys who have disappointed relative to their draft status (e.g., Bayless) or contract (e.g., Sessions).

    20. Z-man

      Gideon Zaga: Thanks Z man but my point is we have to stop looking to these washed up players who’s best season were years ago and look for productive assests. More like now players instead or past time players or vets in the now.

      Agreed, but the cap makes that a challenge. The younger guys with more realistic potential are not readily available. On the other hand, we did land Jorts, Jordan, Novak and Lin through creative thinking so it’s not all one way or another. Grunwald deserves credit for those moves, and if Prignioni is more NBA-ready than Machado don’t care about who’s older.

    21. Z-man

      Also, it was the Lakers who thought last year that they could get by with Sessions and Blake, and who completely screwed up the Lamar Odom situation (no thanks to David Stern, to be fair.)

    22. Jafa

      So, since we are not getting past the 2nd round this coming season, what do you guys think we should do next off-season? Whose available in that FA class outside of CP3 and D12 (both of which we will probably never get)?

    23. Frank

      Jafa:
      So, since we are not getting past the 2nd round this coming season, what do you guys think we should do next off-season?Whose available in that FA class outside of CP3 and D12 (both of which we will probably never get)?

      which of the eastern conference teams do you think is unbeatable, other than maybe Miami? If we can somehow get a 2 or 3 seed, we won’t see Miami until the ECFs. We shouldn’t forget that we were 18-6 to close the year last year. That is a 60 win pace, and much of that was done without a healthy PG.

    24. JC Knickfan

      cgreene:
      I was just thinking and saying the same thing to a friend.Jeremy Lin is the absolute lynchpin to the success of this team over the next 3 years.30 games.Hurt knee.Odds can’t be great that he’s really that good can they?

      Serious why are you expecting Linsanity #? To me there are 3 version of Lin.

      8-1 Linsanity basically w/o Melo (Including Net’s game)
      2-8 Melo come back Lin (I consider this end the end Linsanity)
      6-1 Woodson takeover Lin

      I would take Woodson’s version Lin with improvement
      He was 13.29ppg 5.57apg 3.71 TOPG 4 RPG 1 SPG

      Better 3pt shooting (32% last year) and decrease TO with better handle and passing.

      If Lin posts 14.5 ppg, 7.5 apg, 2.5 TO and Melo shoots the same or better then career average we should be 50 win plus team.

      I still don’t think we can contend, but baring injuries I think 2nd round playoff team.

    25. jon abbey

      why are people so quick to project the standings for next year? let’s see how things play out first with all of this player movement, what’s the rush?

    26. massive

      Yeah, I think people forget that the Knicks are now a team that beats teams we’re supposed to on a nightly basis (save for the drops against Toronto and Cleveland). If everybody is brought back, we have a really good shot at taking this thing deep into the playoffs. Honestly, can you name a deeper team than New York last year outside of San Antonio? So we lost Steve Nash to the freaking Lakers, which pisses me off because of that spoiled fanbase. But we’re still in good shape if everybody is healthy, and we’re doing better if everybody is playing with a chip on their shoulders.

    27. Z

      jon abbey:
      why are people so quick to project the standings for next year? let’s see how things play out first with all of this player movement, what’s the rush?

      If everyone rushes their final standings predictions again this year, THCJ may win the pool again!

    28. Brian Cronin

      From a talent perspective, Felton is probably the best possible guy who would be available for the Knicks in a sign and trade (with a starting salary between #4 million and $6 million). And I’m fine with him in general. My issue with him, though, lies in Woodson (and, to a lesser degree, Felton himself). Felton likes to start. Felton pouts when he does not start. Woodson, meanwhile, sure seems like he’d be more than willing to start Felton at the slightest provocation (last year, sources say that Woodson was pushing D’Antoni to bench Lin for Baron Davis before Woodson took over – so you’d have to imagine that Woody was ready to slot Baron Davis into the starting lineup during his stint, as well).

      So with all of that in mind, I don’t know if I’d even want Felton. I’d almost prefer someone like Bayless for $4 million or so, since he’d know his place on the team. Felton and Sessions, not so much. In fact, how about a sign and trade of Fields for a sign and trade of Bayless? That would allow the Knicks to keep the Douglas, Gadzuric, Jordan pu pu platter alive for another player (maybe a shooting guard?).

    29. Jafa

      @25:

      There are 2 teams clearly better than us: Miami & Boston. After that, we are neck and neck with Indiana (if they lose Hibbert we leapfrog them clearly) and Chicago. So at best we are the #3 seed. After facing a weaker team in round one of the playoffs, we will be squaring off with either Boston or Miami in round 2. Even if we win the Atlantic and Boston is #3, we still don’t win that series. That’s why I say we don’t get past the 2nd round.

      I don’t doubt that we win 50 games next year. I’m simply looking at playoff positioning and coming to the conclusion that we don’t get past the 2nd round. We would have to get lucky to move forward (like Philadelphia last year when Rose got injured).

    30. thenamestsam

      Unrelated to the Knicks but I’m curious what everyone thinks of the Lakers now. I’m fascinated to see how these pieces fit together. Nash and Gasol should be very comfortable together. Pau has good hands and likes to shoot those short jumpers that Nash is really good at setting up for his bigs. I’m less sure of how the Nash-Bynum and Nash-Kobe interactions are going to go. Nash hasn’t ever really played with a true post-scoring threat, and he needs a center who’s comfortable setting multiple picks and rolling to the rim. Bynum hasn’t ever really played in PnR since they’ve never had much of a PG. Interesting to see if he can adapt his game.

      The most interesting thing is definitely going to be Nash and Kobe. Kobe hasn’t ever played with a PG that needed the ball, and it will be interesting to see if Kobe is comfortable going off the ball for long stretches, and who gets the ball in crunch time. Should be Nash, will probably be Kobe, will definitely be fascinating. They’re going to be fun to watch next year. Still don’t think they’re a true contender though, partially because the Thunder are just a terrible matchup for them. They’re so, so old and they just can’t match the athleticism of the Thunder.

    31. ephus

      Brian Cronin: So with all of that in mind, I don’t know if I’d even want Felton. I’d almost prefer someone like Bayless for $4 million or so, since he’d know his place on the team. Felton and Sessions, not so much. In fact, how about a sign and trade of Fields for a sign and trade of Bayless? That would allow the Knicks to keep the Douglas, Gadzuric, Jordan pu pu platter alive for another player (maybe a shooting guard?).

      That cannot happen unless Fields agrees to take less than Toronto’s offer. The maximum bid the Knicks could make to Fields (absent matching) starts at $5.3 million and cannot do the big jump in year 3. Toronto certainly has the perrogative to rescind its offer to Fields, but I doubt that it will do so. And, in that case, Fields might go elsewhere (although I doubt that he can get a full three year MLE offer elsewhere).

    32. Jafa

      jon abbey:
      why are people so quick to project the standings for next year? let’s see how things play out first with all of this player movement, what’s the rush?

      The important player movement is completed (except for the always lingering D12). Where guys like Felton and Sessions end up is inconsequential to playoff projections.

    33. Brian Cronin

      That cannot happen unless Fields agrees to take less than Toronto’s offer. The maximum bid the Knicks could make to Fields (absent matching) starts at $5.3 million and cannot do the big jump in year 3. Toronto certainly has the perrogative to rescind its offer to Fields, but I doubt that it will do so. And, in that case, Fields might go elsewhere (although I doubt that he can get a full three year MLE offer elsewhere).

      While Toronto couldn’t rescind their bid without looking like the biggest assholes ever, wouldn’t it be more possible for them to ask Fields to take slightly less? I mean, $5.3 million is still a lot for Fields at this exact point in his career, so he’d presumably be okay with 3 years/$16 million versus 3 years/$20 million.

      It is like the joke Bill Simmons made about the situation. “Fields to his agent, ‘Did you say $2 million or $20 million? I’m fine with either, but just checking.'”

    34. Jafa

      @32,

      In my opinion, after that move, Lakers are #3 in contending status in the West, behind OKC and San Antonio. Nash helps them leap from the Clippers and Memphis to be the 3rd best team in the West. With better coaching, they could be the #2 contender in the West.

      With Nash, I think they lose to OKC in a 7 game series 4-2 or 4-3. With Nash, I think they lose to the Spurs in a 7 game series 4-3.

    35. d-mar

      Why does the headline “Knicks lead pursuit of Raymond Felton” make me sad instead of happy?

    36. Jafa

      d-mar:
      Why does the headline “Knicks lead pursuit of Raymond Felton” make me sad instead of happy?

      Makes me sad too.

    37. Brian Cronin

      I don’t doubt that we win 50 games next year.

      Seriously? I mean, don’t get me wrong, this team certainly could win 50, but you don’t doubt that they will? I have tons of doubts. Including us not even knowing if the linchpin of the team, Jeremy Lin, is even going to have a good season. We don’t even know who the Knicks starting 2 guard is going to be yet!

    38. Frank

      RE: Boston – I’m not too worried about them in the regular season, because it sure seems like they don’t really bother trying for most of it. They’ll probably be a 4-6 seed. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we can get the Atlantic from them.

      Re: Toronto – they’re f*cked. Although I guess zero FAs want to sign there as it is, so who cares if they renege? They can blame Colangelo for it right after they fire him.

      Meanwhile – re: Houston – I’m not even sure why Morey bothered to make an offer sheet of 4 years 30 million for Jeremy. There’s basically zero chance that NYK won’t match that. So what’s the point? Just to piss us off? I really have no idea what he’s trying to do.

    39. Z

      thenamestsam:
      Unrelated to the Knicks but I’m curious what everyone thinks of the Lakers now. I’m fascinated to see how these pieces fit together. Nash and Gasol should be very comfortable together. Pau has good hands and likes to shoot those short jumpers that Nash is really good at setting up for his bigs. I’m less sure of how the Nash-Bynum and Nash-Kobe interactions are going to go. Nash hasn’t ever really played with a true post-scoring threat, and he needs a center who’s comfortable setting multiple picks and rolling to the rim. Bynum hasn’t ever really played in PnR since they’ve never had much of a PG. Interesting to see if he can adapt his game.

      The most interesting thing is definitely going to be Nash and Kobe. Kobe hasn’t ever played with a PG that needed the ball, and it will be interesting to see if Kobe is comfortable going off the ball for long stretches, and who gets the ball in crunch time. Should be Nash, will probably be Kobe, will definitely be fascinating. They’re going to be fun to watch next year. Still don’t think they’re a true contender though, partially because the Thunder are just a terrible matchup for them. They’re so, so old and they just can’t match the athleticism of the Thunder.

      Lakers are way over the tax thingy now. Buss has always been weary of the tax and now it is more severe. Isn’t it likely that they (continue) to shop Gasol for cap relief? (or possibly even amnesty him?)

    40. Jafa

      @39:

      Unless our 2 Guard is Ray Allen, I think whomever it is will be inconsequential to our win total.

    41. flossy

      Toronto can totally rescind their offer to Fields… If they never want to sign another free agent again, that is.

      Re: not wanting Felton because Woodson might start him, if you think Dolan will sit back and let his global icon get benched in favor of Raymond Felton you are out of your mind. Jeremy would have to turn in a Toney Douglas level performance for months before that happened. I don’t want Felton because he’s not very good, but we can’t go into the season with a PG rotation of Lin and Prigioni (who is a total mystery). I am pissed the nuggets wrapped up Andre Miller do quickly–he would have been ideal. I hate Jason Kidd and think he’s done. Sessions is intriguing, I’d see if Aaron Brooks can be had for cheap and unless we do a sign and trade that includes Douglas I am curious to see him play summer league (ad think its a good sign that he volunteered to do so).

      But man. Steve Nash. So close. I spent so long hoping for CP3 to ride in and fix our problems, but a Steve Nash/Tyson Chandler combo for 3 years might have been just as good. Now we truly are stuck seeing how far Carmelo can take us. Ugh.

    42. Jafa

      Also Brian,

      I should have said “we can possibly win 50″ instead of “doubt we don’t win 50″. However, Mike Woodson won 53 and 47 games in his last two years in ATL with an iso-heavy offense and Melo regularly won 50+ as the best player in Denver so I don’t think my projection is so far off.

    43. yellowboy90

      Brian Cronin: While Toronto couldn’t rescind their bid without looking like the biggest assholes ever, wouldn’t it be more possible for them to ask Fields to take slightly less? I mean, $5.3 million is still a lot for Fields at this exact point in his career, so he’d presumably be okay with 3 years/$16 million versus 3 years/$20 million.

      It is like the joke Bill Simmons made about the situation. “Fields to his agent, ‘Did you say $2 million or $20 million? I’m fine with either, but just checking.’”

      Even if he stays at 20 mill wouldn’t a S & T still provide cap relief. Also absorbing TD is nothing since they have an exception. Unlikely but it still make since.

    44. ephus

      yellowboy90: Even if he stays at 20 mill wouldn’t a S & T still provide cap relief. Also absorbing TD is nothing since they have an exception. Unlikely but it still make since.

      Knicks cannot offer Fields a 3 year/$20 million deal without matching Toronto, in which case they could not S&T him anywhere and could not trade him to Toronto for one year. Knicks could offer Fields a four year/$22 million MLE – with year 4 being a player option. If Toronto would prefer a S&T with the Knicks, Fields might be willing to go with that deal over Toronto’s 3 year/$20 million. Knicks could then bring back Bayless in a S&T.

    45. Frank O.

      So the questions remain:
      Is White Landry’s replacement? (love his athleticism)
      Will JR re-sign? (honestly, I’m on the fence as to whether his signing would be good or not so good)
      When will Shump return and will he be the same athlete? (probably, but he will be rusty and he won’t be able to improve his offense much in the offseason)
      Will Lin sign, and which Lin will we see?
      If Lin returns, who will run the point with him?
      Will Novak return, and if not, who would spread the floor?
      Will Amare actually develop a low post game from Hakeem?

      Sure, depending on the outcome of these questions, the Knicks could win 55 or 40.
      At least the schedule won’t be truncated and we won’t loose every damn guard to a blown out knee…

    46. thenamestsam

      Frank:
      RE: Boston – I’m not too worried about them in the regular season, because it sure seems like they don’t really bother trying for most of it.They’ll probably be a 4-6 seed. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we can get the Atlantic from them.

      Meanwhile – re: Houston – I’m not even sure why Morey bothered to make an offer sheet of 4 years 30 million for Jeremy. There’s basically zero chance that NYK won’t match that.So what’s the point? Just to piss us off?I really have no idea what he’s trying to do.

      In regards to Boston they definitely haven’t pushed themselves in the regular season recently, but I think they’ll be significantly deeper next year with Bradley coming into his own and Terry and Green on the bench. Plus they still have some money to spend. If they can find any kind of backup for KG I think they’ll be a much improved regular season team.

      In regards to Houston I see what you’re saying, but even if there’s a 99.9% chance of NY matching what’s the harm in making an offer? It’s not like it really taxes their resources.

    47. Brian Cronin

      wow — Kidd gets a 3 year 9M contract from Dallas. No thank you.

      Yeah, great googley moogley that is too much money. Although, from Dallas’ perspective I suppose it is sort of a lifetime achievement award.

    48. Frank O.

      interesting:

      Jared Zwerling ?@JaredZwerling
      Hearing Lin didn’t sign the offer sheet yet b/c he wants to return to the #Knicks. While Raptors $ too good Fields would like to return too.

    49. Frank

      thenamestsam: In regards to Houston I see what you’re saying, but even if there’s a 99.9% chance of NY matching what’s the harm in making an offer? It’s not like it really taxes their resources.

      Yes – but did you see they had to not offer Courtney Lee his QO so that they had room to extend these offer sheets? At least that is what was reported the last few days as this was all going down.

      I really don’t understand what Morey is doing. I hope for his sake that he has some high level chess going on in his head, but it feels like a lot of flailing right now.

    50. Frank O.

      Wow…

      jon, do you work for the Knicks organization now???lol

      Ian O’Connor ?@Ian_OConnor
      At least 1 member of Grunwald/Woodson administration not unhappy Fields is a goner. “Nice kid. Can’t play.” #knicks

    51. Brian Cronin

      I mean, that sounds obvious enough, right? Fields would rather stay a Knick, but how could he possibly turn down $20 million over three years? If the Knicks offered him the max they could offer, I bet he’d stay. But I don’t think they would, so he just can’t stick around.

      Lin, as others have noted, likely says, “Why sign for slightly more than I can get as a Knick if it risks my chances of returning to the Knicks?” This way, he also opens the door for Toronto to blow him away with an offer much higher than what the Knicks can pay.

    52. Brian Cronin

      Ian O’Connor ?@Ian_OConnor
      At least 1 member of Grunwald/Woodson administration not unhappy Fields is a goner. “Nice kid. Can’t play.” #knicks

      Ahhh…the “former Red Sox treatment”, I believe it is called.

    53. Frank O.

      Yeah, I have no doubt Lin returns.
      I suspect we will end up with Felton in a back up role. Wish he wasn’t so damn fat now.

    54. 2FOR18

      Being a Knicks fan is like being Charlie Brown.
      I thought having a superstar like melo was supposed to lead to all of these vets like Nash, G Hill, Kidd, Hinrich etc. clamoring to come to NY to play with him.

      If all we end up with is Felton then…. f–k me.

      OK, I would be very happy with Jerryd Bayless if he’s available. The guy puts up great numbers when he gets minutes and I think we can afford him since he’s under the radar.

    55. Gideon Zaga

      Seriously why aren’t we making a push for Allen. And what happened to Morrow..

      2FOR18:
      Being a Knicks fan is like being Charlie Brown.
      I thought having a superstar like melo was supposed to lead to all of these vets like Nash, G Hill, Kidd, Hinrich etc. clamoring to come to NY to play with him.

      If all we end up with is Felton then…. f–k me.

      OK, I would be very happy with Jerryd Bayless if he’s available.The guy puts up great numbers when he gets minutes and I think we can afford him since he’s under the radar.

    56. Brian Cronin

      Well, Melo likely brought JR Smith here, at least! That’s something! Well, Melo and the fact that the Knicks were the highest bidder for Smith’s services.

    57. ephus

      If the Rockets 4 year/$30 million offer is the best that Lin gets, he might opt for the Knicks’ 3 year/16 million or 4 year/$22 million MLE with the final year as a player option.

      If Lin elected the 3 year deal, he would sacrifice $13.7 million in guaranteed salary ($3.7 million in year 3 and $10 million in year four) for the opportunity to sign a max deal after year 2. If Lin gets elected to start the ASG each of the next two years, he would be in line for a $15 million with 7.5% raises — a big win over the Rockets’ offer.

      If Lin elected the four year deal would essentially sacrifice $3.7 million (in year 3) for an opportunity at a max contract in year 4.

      Lin also would have more off-the-court opportunities in New York than Houston.

    58. Brian Cronin

      By the way, it looks like Houston got screwed by the whole “althetic pride” nonsensw with Dragic. The Suns signed him for the same money he was offended that Houston was offering him. It’s like when Johnny Damon wouldn’t dream of taking a pay cut from his $13 million Yankee salary to come back to New York and then signed for $7 million in Detroit.

    59. JK47

      If Felton comes back it better be for the vet minimum. He was never very good to begin with and is coming off the worst season of his career.

      I really think JR Smith is sort of turning into the key of the offseason. With our lack of depth at guard, re-signing JR has got to be a top priority now. He’s a pretty steady .120-ish WS/48 player with definite potential for a breakout season. He’ll only be 27 and has had some impressively efficient seasons in the past; it’s not that hard to see JR putting up a .150-.160 WS/48 season, which is all-star level.

    60. thenamestsam

      Gideon Zaga:
      Seriously why aren’t we making a push for Allen. And what happened to Morrow..

      Seriously, why would Ray Allen want to come here? Put yourself in his shoes. What would NY offer? He can get more minutes and more money with the Clippers. He can get a great shot at a title with Miami for 3M. Both in great, appealing cities. Or he can stay in Boston, again for more money than we can offer, where he is comfortable, has a house, for an organization, coach, teammates etc. that he knows and that he has won a championship with.

      Or he can come to NY and play for a dysfunctional organization on a team that has won one playoff game in the last 15 years or whatever. We can only offer him 3M. Honestly what kind of Push can we make? That would be the worlds shortest phone call. I would have thought the last few days would have made it fairly clear that as much fun as it is to pencil the top-10 free agents onto our team people aren’t exactly lining up to come here.

    61. yehudi3000

      I realy thing you underate Felton,
      He did have a bad season, but he can loose this weight again, he had a 17/9 year in N.Y do i would take him as a replacement for lin.

    62. Frank

      Brian Cronin:
      Yeah, if I’m Lin I think I’d tell Houston to hold off while I check to see what Toronto is willing to spend on me.

      Would be a risk there too – I really wonder whether Colangelo has any leash to do anything right now. Houston may just pull the offer back and then Lin is left with no solid offer.

      Ephus’s idea is interesting. With no Derrick Rose in the EC this year, the All-Star spot will come down to Rondo, Deron, and Lin assuming Lin has a reasonable first half. Irving may outplay him but since there is fan vote involved, Lin is likely to make the team.

      Wow that would be some serious luxury tax in 14-15 though.

      If I’m Lin, I sign the Houston offer sheet and lock up the $31M. At the end of that contract he’ll only be 27, up for another 1 or 2 paydays in his career. His style of play may result in an early end of his career, so I would get the first big payday locked up, then worry about max contracts and such thereafter. After the first 3 years are up – if he’s playing well and Melo/TC/Amare are all expiring, he will definitely have a max contract coming.

    63. Brian Cronin

      If I’m Lin, I certainly don’t mind the $31 million contract, but I find it hard to believe that Lin doesn’t at least have a 4-year/$22 million contract (with the fourth year being a player option) offer from the Knicks in his back pocket whenever he wants to use it. So I don’t think there’s as much risk as you might think.

      And yes, Lin starting in the All Star Game is going to be hilarious.

    64. jon abbey

      Jafa: The important player movement is completed (except for the always lingering D12).Where guys like Felton and Sessions end up is inconsequential to playoff projections.

      really? because right now the Knicks don’t have Lin, Smith, Novak, Jeffries or a backup PG under contract.

    65. jon abbey

      Frank O.:
      Wow…

      jon, do you work for the Knicks organization now???lol

      Ian O’Connor ?@Ian_OConnor
      At least 1 member of Grunwald/Woodson administration not unhappy Fields is a goner. “Nice kid. Can’t play.” #knicks

      heh, exactly.

    66. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, you have to figure that’s a fluke for Morrow. You don’t shoot that well for three seasons and then just lose the ability to hit the broadside of a barn.

    67. ephus

      If the Knicks wanted to go after Allen, they could put together the S&T package to offer him a 3 year deal starting at $6.2 million. Celtics, obviously, would have to buy in — and their only incentive would be to deny Allen going to the Heat @$3 million. I doubt that Douglas/Jorts/Gadzuric/Jordan hold much allure for the Celtics.

      The incentive for Allen to come here is that he would (1)have a guaranteed starting job until Shumpert returned, (2) get a lot of open looks playing off of the PnR and (3) have a three year contract (minimum length for a S&T). I assume that Allen would insist that the Knicks guarantee all three years.

    68. jon abbey

      JK47:
      If Felton comes back it better be for the vet minimum.He was never very good to begin with and is coming off the worst season of his career.

      huh? he was a borderline All-Star in his first half season in NY (admittedly with his stats blown up by D’Antoni ball, but still) and showed very good chemistry with Amare. that was only 18 months ago, and he just turned 28.

      if he is in good shape (big question admittedly), he could be a very good pickup buying low.

    69. New Guy

      flossy:
      Toronto can totally rescind their offer to Fields… If they never want to sign another free agent again, that is.

      Toronto can rescind this offer and continue to sign any free agent they are the highest bidder for.

      You think if they rescind the offer for Fields, and turn around and offer Felton 2 years, 25 million, he’s going to turn it down out of protest?

    70. Jafa

      @71:

      Jon, I meant league wide player movement. I was assuming the Knicks will match Lin’s offer sheet.

      Smith and Novak are important, but don’t make or break our playoff chances (as in, we can still get at least the 8th spot in the playoffs without those two). A back-up PG won’t change the world for us right now, especially from the FAs that are left to pick from.

    71. 2FOR18

      Brian Cronin:
      Yeah, you have to figure that’s a fluke for Morrow. You don’t shoot that well for three seasons and then just lose the ability to hit the broadside of a barn.

      Unless you join the Knicks

    72. jon abbey

      Jafa:
      @71:

      Jon, I meant league wide player movement.I was assuming the Knicks will match Lin’s offer sheet.

      Smith and Novak are important, but don’t make or break our playoff chances (as in, we can still get at least the 8th spot in the playoffs without those two).A back-up PG won’t change the world for us right now, especially from the FAs that are left to pick from.

      there are a ton of pieces left to fall into place, both big and small, it’s not like anyone saw Nash going to the Lakers 24 hours ago. I just don’t understand the rush, the season doesn’t start for months still.

    73. Jafa

      @63:

      Ephus, your a smart guy (as evidenced by most of your posts). Please don’t tell me that you really think a young unproven NBA player is going to turn down $30 M guaranteed for a lot of “ifs”.

    74. ephus

      New Guy: Toronto can rescind this offer and continue to sign any free agent they are the highest bidder for.
      You think if they rescind the offer for Fields, and turn around and offer Felton 2 years, 25 million, he’s going to turn it down out of protest?

      No, I think that agents will steer their clients away from Toronto until the last day of the July Moratorium each year, because no one will trust that an early Toronto offer is solid enough to forego offers from other teams. Brian Colangelo hopes to have decades left in the NBA, and he needs to preserve his reputation so that he can make handshake deals in the future. If Colangelo/Fields/Knicks can come up with a deal that Fields prefers to the 3 year/$20 million offer sheet, no problem. But I do not see Colangelo exercising his perrogative to withdraw the offer or modify it down.

    75. Gideon Zaga

      Uh the kinda dreams Knick fans have.

      yehudi3000:
      I realy thing you underate Felton,
      He did have a bad season, but he can loose this weight again, he had a 17/9 year in N.Y do i would take him as a replacement for lin.

    76. Jafa

      @68:

      I would not take Felton as a replacement for about 3/4 of the starting PGs in the league.

    77. Frank

      jon abbey: huh? he was a borderline All-Star in his first half season in NY (admittedly with his stats blown up by D’Antoni ball, but still) and showed very good chemistry with Amare. that was only 18 months ago, and he just turned 28.

      if he is in good shape (big question admittedly), he could be a very good pickup buying low.

      I’m not a big fan of signing Felton, but if it can be done via S&T enabling us to still pick up a significant piece with the mini-MLE I am good with it. We certainly could do worse, and I’d rather have Felton as a 2nd PG than some Spanish League 38 year old guy that has never played in the NBA. And you’re right – just like most things, we get too high in good times and too low in bad times, and maybe Felton is a good buy low guy right now. Certainly he has no reason to come in out of shape this time around (ie. no lockout, also coming off horrible season in which everyone said “you suck”)

    78. Jafa

      @77:

      I think Felton would say “I’d rather wait until July 11th and see the contract in paper instead of shaking your hand on that deal”. If you lose your credibility in business, doing business becomes extremely difficult in the future.

    79. Z

      New Guy: Toronto can rescind this offer and continue to sign any free agent they are the highest bidder for.

      You think if they rescind the offer for Fields, and turn around and offer Felton 2 years, 25 million, he’s going to turn it down out of protest?

      I don’t think there is any precedent for it, and certainly there would be blowback. Fields’ agency represents a lot of marketable players (Stephen Curry, Rudy Gay, David West and Kirk Hinrich to name a few).

    80. ephus

      Jafa: @63:Ephus, your a smart guy (as evidenced by most of your posts). Please don’t tell me that you really think a young unproven NBA player is going to turn down $30 M guaranteed for a lot of “ifs”.

      The risk to Lin in turning down the Rockets’ offer is not $31 million, but rather something on the order of $8 – $14 million. He would be guaranteed a minimum of $17 million, so even if everything blew up, he would still have a lot.

      The upside for Lin in taking the shorter deal is that he would have the opportunity to cash-in for a max deal one or two years earlier than if he signs the Rockets’ offer sheet. I have no idea how Lin (or his representatives) value that opportunity.

      My fear, and it still holds, is that Toronto will make a bigger backloaded offer of 4 years/40 million. In that world, Lin has every economic incentive to sign the offer sheet. If the Knicks match, he would have the best of all worlds. If they don’t, he would have a very lucrative opportunity in Toronto — which also has a very large and prosperous Chinese immigrant community.

    81. Brian Cronin

      Certainly he has no reason to come in out of shape this time around (ie. no lockout, also coming off horrible season in which everyone said “you suck”

      I love that description of Felton’s last season. Hilarious and accurate.

    82. Brian Cronin

      My fear, and it still holds, is that Toronto will make a bigger backloaded offer of 4 years/40 million. In that world, Lin has every economic incentive to sign the offer sheet. If the Knicks match, he would have the best of all worlds. If they don’t, he would have a very lucrative opportunity in Toronto — which also has a very large and prosperous Chinese immigrant community.

      Yeah, I think that is precisely why Lin has not signed the Houston offer sheet yet. He knows Toronto is bound to offer him more.

    83. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, it’s really affected Pat Riley’s ability to get things done.

      When did Riley renege on a deal with a player? It’s happened a few times the other direction (Brand and Hedu both have done it) but I don’t recall a team ever doing it.

    84. New Guy

      Look I don’t think they will rescind the offer, but I think the idea that no one would ever sign for them if they do is a bit silly.

      Anyone remember Carlos Boozer screwing over the Cavs? Did that prevent teams from dealing with him after?

      As long as you got something they want, they’ll come to you.

    85. New Guy

      He never reneged on a player, but the point was about credibility. I’d say he lost a lot when, while employed by team A he was illegally negotiating to work for team B and then quit in the middle of his contract. But that will never affect him because he has something teams want. Similarly, as long as the Raptors can offer a player the most $$$, this Fields nonsense will never come into play.

    86. Z

      New Guy:
      Look I don’t think they will rescind the offer, but I think the idea that no one would ever sign for them if they do is a bit silly.

      Anyone remember Carlos Boozer screwing over the Cavs?Did that prevent teams from dealing with him after?

      As long as you got something they want, they’ll come to you.

      The Raptors need players more than players need the Raptors.

      That bit of insight aside, can anybody answer this: What is the purpose of the so-called “moratorium”? Why not just set the cap and then let free agency begin? (i.e.– make it an actual moratorium)

    87. ephus

      The purpose behind the Moratorium is to allow teams and players to sift through all offers. Otherwise, players would likely be confronted with “exploding offers” — an offer that is good only until the end of the meeting. The Moratorium tends to help the players, who can shop offers to other teams. When a player “accepts” a team offer during the Moratorium, he likely has done enough due diligence to know what the market will bear.

    88. JK47

      I wonder what the ROI is for Jeremy Lin from James Dolan’s perspective. Lin is a one-man marketing juggernaut who brings to the table a metric shit ton of merch sales, cable TV deals with China and all of that sort of stuff. Lin is a unique player in that regard. I don’t think it matters what kind of poison pill Toronto will offer– the Knicks will match.

    89. Z

      ephus:
      The purpose behind the Moratorium is to allow teams and players to sift through all offers.Otherwise, players would likely be confronted with “exploding offers” — an offer that is good only until the end of the meeting.The Moratorium tends to help the players, who can shop offers to other teams.When a player “accepts” a team offer during the Moratorium, he likely has done enough due diligence to know what the market will bear.

      Don’t other sports manage to survive okay without out the 12-day shopping period?

    90. ephus

      I do not know much about hockey free agency, but MLB and NFL free agency have very different environments.

      The baseball environment is much more player-friendly, because there is no salary cap. The exploding offer makes little sense in baseball, because it is not credible to tell a player that the team needs to use the salary slot on someone else immediately.

      The football environment is much more team-friendly, because virtually all contracts are unguaranteed and there is a hard cap. Exploding offers are very common in football, to the players’ detriment.

    91. Nick C.

      Brian Cronin: Yeah, you have to figure that’s a fluke for Morrow. You don’t shoot that well for three seasons and then just lose the ability to hit the broadside of a barn.

      I seem to remember the Nets complaining about shooting the Rock. Whether this was somehting with funky lighting or background or just excuses after a few crappy games I have no idea. But if he was shooting in the NBA version of a pitchers park that could explain a lot.

    92. johnlocke

      Via twittersphere:

      “Hearing Amar’e Stoudemire is working his tail off… he has a trainer with him everywhere he’s going working twice per day” –Hoopsworld Editor

      Z-man:

      I also think that people are underestimating the “something to prove” aspect of this team.Now Lin will want to prove that he is better as a starter than Nash would have been. Shump is gonna want to prove that he is too valuable to be trade bait. TD is gonna want to prove that he is a legit NBA guard. Amare and Melo want to prove that they can play successfully together and match up with the Heat. Woodson wants to prove that he is a championship-caliber coach. Novak wants to prove that he is more than a one-trick pony.

    93. johnlocke

      Sounds like you’re upset about Nash, but you can’t be serious?

      We have the DPOY, a Top 25 talent and (except for last year) one of the Top 5 PFs in the NBA — all through free agency. The only free agency I’m mad about losing out on is Lebron, not going to cry over losing a 38yr old, non-defensive PG.

      Gideon Zaga:
      Realise this, no one really wants to play here.

    94. ephus

      JK47: I wonder what the ROI is for Jeremy Lin from James Dolan’s perspective. Lin is a one-man marketing juggernaut who brings to the table a metric shit ton of merch sales, cable TV deals with China and all of that sort of stuff. Lin is a unique player in that regard. I don’t think it matters what kind of poison pill Toronto will offer– the Knicks will match.

      Lin definitely has created a huge market for the Knicks merchandise and cable rights in China, but the Knicks do not garner that benefit. NBA teams split overseas merchandise sales and broadcasting rights evenly. http://www.sponsorship.com/About-IEG/IEG-In-The-News/Yao-Ming-and-the-Rockets–Weak-China-Effect.aspx

      There are considerable off-the-court benefits for Dolan in Linsanity:

      1. Local merchandise sales (which flow to the Knicks) go way up;
      2. Bonding a new fan demographic (Chinese immigrants) to the Knicks. During the 1930s and 40s, the Yankees became tightly aligned with NY’s Italian community, a bond which continues to this day.
      3. Sponsorship opportunities for other Knicks in China will make it easier for the Knicks to compete for free agents. Tracy McGrady made a fortune off of Chinese endorsements.
      4. Exhibition games in China.

    95. domiknick

      Raptors just traded for Kyle Lowry. Think this mean they’re likely out of the Lin running?

    96. thenamestsam

      According to Stein Raps are close to a deal to acquire Lowry. That should eliminate them from Lin’s search meaning the Rockets offer would probably be the largest one he recieves. A small piece of good news.

    97. TelegraphedPass

      johnlocke: Via twittersphere: “Hearing Amar’e Stoudemire is working his tail off… he has a trainer with him everywhere he’s going working twice per day” –Hoopsworld Editor

      I don’t doubt it: Amar’e has been a hard-worker since he entered the league. He doesn’t always get the credit for that anymore. I’ve just become very cynical regarding declarations of summer workouts. Remember his intense 3 point shooting practice last season? He entered this year and couldn’t beg for a sixteen footer to drop.

      Remember John Wall telling everyone that he had become a confident perimeter shooter last year, and impressing in summer tournament games? Yeah, he hit 3 more NBA threes than I did this past season.

      I’m not saying that Amar’e won’t come back strong next year, but I’m not sure what this news ever means anymore.

    98. Z

      ephus: Lin definitely has created a huge market for the Knicks merchandise and cable rights in China, but the Knicks do not garner that benefit.NBA teams split overseas merchandise sales and broadcasting rights evenly.http://www.sponsorship.com/About-IEG/IEG-In-The-News/Yao-Ming-and-the-Rockets–Weak-China-Effect.aspx

      There are considerable off-the-court benefits for Dolan in Linsanity:

      1.Local merchandise sales (which flow to the Knicks) go way up;
      2.Bonding a new fan demographic (Chinese immigrants) to the Knicks.During the 1930s and 40s, the Yankees became tightly aligned with NY’s Italian community, a bond which continues to this day.
      3.Sponsorship opportunities for other Knicks in China will make it easier for the Knicks to compete for free agents.Tracy McGrady made a fortune off of Chinese endorsements.
      4.Exhibition games in China.

      Which is, presumably, why Houston prefers Lin to Dragic. Houston had the Chinese market cornered with Yao, so the infrastructure is in place for them to theoretically do it again.

    99. domiknick

      Brian Cronin:
      I would imagine.

      Sooo…the Rockets’ point guard will be who, exactly?

      Hopefully this doesn’t mean they know something we don’t know, i.e. they traded away Lowry because they know Lin is going to be their PG? =..(

    100. Gideon Zaga

      Right right. We lost out on the 38 yr old pg who could have fixed our “clumsy” team. Wait, because??? I wander what Kobe said to him to make him change his Mind.

      johnlocke:
      Sounds like you’re upset about Nash, but you can’t be serious?

      We have the DPOY, a Top 25 talent and (except for last year) one of the Top 5 PFs in the NBA — all through free agency. The only free agency I’m mad about losing out on is Lebron, not going to cry over losing a 38yr old, non-defensive PG.

    101. Brian Cronin

      And ex-Knicks Jamal Crawford and Chauncey Billups reach deals with the Clips.

      It is hard to imagine a worse fit for that Clippers team than Crawford.

    102. chrisk06811

      I’m confused!!! Hou’s offer to Lin is $30M over 4 yrs. We have the right to match. but, ESPN is saying our offer can max out at $24.5M over 3 years. Why is that? I assumed match meant match the $$. Is it not true that we can pay him more than Houston?

    103. Frank

      What the #%^# is Morey doing? Who’s going to play PG for them? I’ll tell you who isn’t – Jeremy Lin.

      Someone should check Morey to be sure he is with all his faculties. I haven’t been able to make heads or tails of what is going on there.

    104. ephus

      I think that Lin has much more value to the Knicks than the Rockets in bonding Chinese-American fans to the team.

      First, the Chinese-American population in NY is much larger (both as an absolute and as a proportion of the population) than in Houston.

      Second, the Nets’ move to Brooklyn creates a new competition for NY based fans. The Knicks have a particular need at this moment to create an affinity for the team in the fastest growing demographic.

      Houston may increase its offer to Lin, but I strongly expect that the Knicks will match the offer — even if it is a maximum deal.

    105. thenamestsam

      Some weird moves:

      Jamal Crawford for 25 million is just a brutally bad contract, and he makes no sense for the Clippers. That organization is horrible. They desperately need floor spacing from that spot and Allen was still looking at them, and for some reason they jumped at this opportunity. Baffling.

      And dealing Lowry. I get that he’s a headcase and apparently can’t get along with the coach or whatever, but he’s a very good PG with a killer contract. Unless they know something about Lin that we don’t (and how could they really?) they went from having two good PGs to having none. It’s unclear to me what they’re doing.

    106. Brian Cronin

      Oooh, Dominic McGuire is apparently available. I really like his defense. He’d be a nice add for the vet minimum. He can’t shoot but he plays great defense (he can guard threes and fours) and he is a great rebounder.

    107. ephus

      Frank: What the #%^# is Morey doing? Who’s going to play PG for them? I’ll tell you who isn’t – Jeremy Lin. Someone should check Morey to be sure he is with all his faculties. I haven’t been able to make heads or tails of what is going on there.

      I don’t know what he is doing, but I expect he has a plan. Could he bring Calderon over as a prelude for creating the cap space for max offers to Chris Paul and Dwight Howard next off season?

    108. TelegraphedPass

      Brian Cronin: I thought signing Crawford period was idiotic. I didn’t know they gave him $25 million!! Fuck the heck!?

      They need floor spacing. And anytime you can sign a shooting guard who just shot .5% better than Iman Shumpert and can’t guard me to a $25m contract you have to do it, right?

    109. Brian Cronin

      Wow, the Nets got their foreign import to go from $5 million a year to $3 million a year so that they could free up cap room to make a move for Howard. I love that the guy making $5 million has to cut nearly half of his salary to free up cap room and the guy making $20 million has to give up nothing. Kind of bullshit.

      It does suggest, though, that the Raptors could get Fields to agree to a similar reduction to make a sign and trade possible.

    110. Brian Cronin

      Jacque Vaughn one of four candidates for the Orlando Magic job. Did anyone ever recall seeing Jacque Vaughn and thinking, “That guy would be a good coach?”

      Brian Shaw is one of the other four candidates. He better get it. He’d be a great coach, he has great assistant coaching experience and he played for the Magic for years. Come on, Orlando, sign Shaw!

      By the way, Quin Snyder is a finalist, as well. Both he and Shaw were finalists for the Bobcats job. Is Quin Snyder really some awesome coaching candidate? Weird.

      Mike Malone would be an okay pick, too (he’s the fourth finalist).

    111. ephus

      If the Knicks and Raptors end up with a sign-and-trade, I expect that Fields will get a 4 year/22 million MLE with a player option for the fourth year, rather than reducing his 3 year/20 million offer from Toronto to the 3 year/16 million MLE that the Knicks could offer.

      Bringing in Calderon would help the Knicks this year, and allow them to potentially escape the Luxury Tax next year. Getting below the tax line next year will make a big difference for the Knicks, because they are heading towards the “Repeater” tax surcharge. They wil be tax payers this year and in 2014-15 and 2015-16. Knicks starting tax rate will then be 250%, as opposed to 150% for ordinary tax payers. I don’t care about Dolan’s bottom line, except to the extent that it impacts on his willingness to bring in players to compete.

    112. 2FOR18

      So R Allen has to be going to Miami now, right? With Bradley and Terry in Boston and Billups and Crawford in LA…

      I keep reading that Allen may not want to go there because he can’t start with Wade there, but I see no reason they can’t go with a Wade/Allen backcourt with Lebron playing his point forward position. Or when they go small, Allen can just replace Mike Miller.

      On the other hand, could Allen stomach being paid half of what Fields and Crawford are making?

    113. Count de Pennies

      ephus:
      I think that Lin has much more value to the Knicks than the Rockets in bonding Chinese-American fans to the team.

      First, the Chinese-American population in NY is much larger (both as an absolute and as a proportion of the population) than in Houston.

      Second, the Nets’ move to Brooklyn creates a new competition for NY based fans.The Knicks have a particular need at this moment to create an affinity for the team in the fastest growing demographic.

      Houston may increase its offer to Lin, but I strongly expect that the Knicks will match the offer — even if it is a maximum deal.

      Bear in mind that Houston became China’s de facto national team during the Yao Ming years.

      My guess is that the team may have reaped a fair bit of coin selling Rockets swag in what’s now the world’s largest consumer market.

      Not sure how much of a factor that is in their current decision to pursue Lin. But I think it’s safe to assume that they would enjoy significant marketing benefits from a Lin signing; benefits that the team’s ownership is not unaware of.

    114. ephus

      Count de Pennies: Bear in mind that Houston became China’s de facto national team during the Yao Ming years.

      My guess is that the team may have reaped a fair bit of coin selling Rockets swag in what’s now the world’s largest consumer market.
      Not sure how much of a factor that is in their current decision to pursue Lin. But I think it’s safe to assume that they would enjoy significant marketing benefits from a Lin signing; benefits that the team’s ownership is not unaware of.

      Houston got a lot of benefits from Yao, but merchandising $$$ for sales in China was not one of them. Houston got 1/30th of those sales, same as the Knicks, the Nets and the Jazz.

    115. Z

      If Calderon is amnestied, how does the waiver claim process work? Teams put in a blind offer and the highest bidder wins out? (seems like Calderon HAS to go now, right?)

    116. Frank

      This offseason is only 5 days old and already my head is spinning. Zach Lowe is now saying that in order to complete the Lowry trade, Toronto will have to either renounce Bayless, amnesty Calderon, or rescind Landry. I’ll tell you which one of those I would do if I were them.

      I still don’t see Orlando trading DH12 to the Nets. I just don’t see how the Nets have any assets left. Brook Lopez sucks, and who else do they have to trade? They can’t even sign Gerald Green anymore since they’re over the cap and have no exceptions left without hitting the hard cap (biannual). Brooks is ok I guess, but what’s his ceiling? Demar Derozan?

      BTW, even if Toronto amnesties Calderon, my guess is an under-the-cap team snaps him up on waivers before he ever gets a chance to get signed on the open market.

    117. New Guy

      Brian Cronin:
      Wow, the Nets got their foreign import to go from $5 million a year to $3 million a year so that they could free up cap room to make a move for Howard. I love that the guy making $5 million has to cut nearly half of his salary to free up cap room and the guy making $20 million has to give up nothing. Kind of bullshit.

      It does suggest, though, that the Raptors could get Fields to agree to a similar reduction to make a sign and trade possible.

      That whole thing made me think the Nets didn’t realize using the MLE triggered the $74 million apron until they started reading all the reaction to it on the internet.

    118. Nick C.

      maybe PG is to NBA coaching what C is to MLB manager.
      What’s with the Knicks this off-season it seems like they are talked up as a preferred destination (Kidd, Nash) and then nothing.

    119. Brian Cronin

      That whole thing made me think the Nets didn’t realize using the MLE triggered the $74 million apron until they started reading all the reaction to it on the internet.

      Sure seems like it, right? Hilarious.

    120. Brian Cronin

      What’s with the Knicks this off-season it seems like they are talked up as a preferred destination (Kidd, Nash) and then nothing.

      Sounds like pretty much every free agency period since 2001, eh? Remember the days of, “Chris Webber really wants to play for the Knicks!”?

    121. 2FOR18

      Brian Cronin:
      Jacque Vaughn one of four candidates for the Orlando Magic job. Did anyone ever recall seeing Jacque Vaughn and thinking, “That guy would be a good coach?”

      Brian Shaw is one of the other four candidates. He better get it. He’d be a great coach, he has great assistant coaching experience and he played for the Magic for years. Come on, Orlando, sign Shaw!

      By the way, Quin Snyder is a finalist, as well. Both he and Shaw were finalists for the Bobcats job. Is Quin Snyder really some awesome coaching candidate? Weird.

      Mike Malone would be an okay pick, too (he’s the fourth finalist).

      This is what being a Knicks fan is like. When I saw “Jacque Vaughn” I thought you had read that we were looking to add him as our back-up pg.

      I can’t be the only one.

    122. Frank

      Part of me has a feeling that Morey has some sort of triple-move coming up that will utilize some small print footnote in the CBA to make it so we can’t match Lin. But after the last few weeks, most of me thinks he is just bailing water right now. Still can’t help feeling a little nervous.

    123. Brian Cronin

      Ha! Sort of like, “Oh, you didn’t know that if you sign an offer sheet on July 11th at exactly 2pm the other team only has 20 seconds to respond?”

    124. Z

      Brian Cronin: Sounds like pretty much every free agency period since 2001, eh? Remember the days of, “Chris Webber really wants to play for the Knicks!”?

      “The Summer of C-Web!”

    125. Frank

      The good news is that we haven’t heard much at all re: offers to Novak or JR. Maybe teams have been told that they are going to re-sign with NYK.

    126. Brian Cronin

      I think both guys are firmly in the “guys you go after after you can’t get the guys you really want” category. With Novak, having the ability to pay him up to $5 million is huge. No one will try to sign him away. Smith, though, I could still see getting an MLE from a team. I mean, Crawford and Fields just got MLE-plus!

    127. ephus

      I am really worried about Smith. The sole saving grace is that other teams may be scared off by his reputation. But, I expect that some organization will decide they can handle Smith and throw $5 million/year at him.

      On Novak, I am less concerned, but I do fear a last minute exploding offer. I think that if a team approached Novak right now, he would shop the offer to the Knicks. But if he gets a 2 year/$7 million offer exploding offer on July 11, he would be hard pressed to say no. I think the Knicks want to have a deal in place when the Moratorium lifts.

    128. ruruland

      Frank:
      The good news is that we haven’t heard much at all re: offers to Novak or JR.Maybe teams have been told that they are going to re-sign with NYK.

      let’s hope. they’re the key.

      No one talking about Foye.

    129. Frank

      ephus:
      I am really worried about Smith.The sole saving grace is that other teams may be scared off by his reputation.But, I expect that some organization will decide they can handle Smith and throw $5 million/year at him.

      On Novak, I am less concerned, but I do fear a last minute exploding offer.I think that if a team approached Novak right now, he would shop the offer to the Knicks.But if he gets a 2 year/$7 million offer exploding offer on July 11, he would be hard pressed to say no.I think the Knicks want to have a deal in place when the Moratorium lifts.

      I think Novak will get something in between mini- and full MLE. $4M/year is totally reasonable IMO.

      Re: JR – you’re right. I can’t believe Jamal Crawford got that much $. I’d rather have JR than Jamal any day of the week, although Jamal doesn’t come with the off-the-court baggage that JR does.

    130. Brian Cronin

      Luckily for the Knicks, OJ Mayo is still out there and I bet any team interested in JR would much rather sign Mayo first. Mayo can be our JR-blocker for us. :)

    131. ephus

      On Crawford, given the conflicting reports on the length/$$$ of the deal, I cannot tell how bad this deal is. Sam Amick just tweeted that years 3 and 4 are not fully guaranteed and Chad Ford tweeted that the guaranteed money is closer to $15 million than $25 million.

      At that level, I will strike a dissenting note on the widespread pan of the Crawford signing. The Clippers offense was really stagnant when Chris Paul was not on the floor. Crawford can create off of the dribble when Paul is resting. When Paul is on the floor, Crawford is a decent (but not great) spot-up corner 3 guy (I would love to see the numbers).

    132. ephus

      Brian Cronin: Luckily for the Knicks, OJ Mayo is still out there and I bet any team interested in JR would much rather sign Mayo first. Mayo can be our JR-blocker for us. :)

      I see Mayo and Smith as similar players, but I think the Knicks have a better shot at ending up with Mayo. Strangely, the Knicks can spend well over the MLE on Mayo (a $6.2 million S&T so long as Memphis will take TD) but only $2.8 million on Smith. Also, at some point, it is going to dawn on Smith that the Knicks will not be able to pay him more than the MLE for three more seasons. Next season, the Knicks will have Early Bird rights, which would require Smith to sign on for two more years capped at the MLE.

      Smith has enjoyed his time in NY, and he may elect to make a lot less $$ to stay here. But Dallas can be a lot of fun, and the Mavericks can pay him a lot more than the Knicks.

    133. Brian Cronin

      I actually was thinking the other day that Memphis might (stress “might”) be one of the few teams who might actually need the pu pu platter that the Knicks are offering. Toney Douglas could (stress “could”) actually help them out. So yeah, I guess I could see a scenario where they add Mayo with a sign and trade and then use the mini-MLE to get a point guard.

    134. TelegraphedPass

      I’d much rather splurge on a wing player to start for a year and then sign Ben Uzoh to be our backup PG than splurge on a backup PG like Ray Felton. Then again, I’m #TeamBenUzoh.

    135. ephus

      Turning back to the Rockets and their revolving door at PG, they will be meeting with Aaron Brooks this weekend. I think I have seen this movie before, and did not like how it turned out for the Rockets.

    136. Frank

      Re: JR – you get the feeling from some of his comments last year that he really enjoyed playing for Woodson. I think for him to go elsewhere it would need to be for a coach that he respects in the same way. Not sure whether Carlisle is that guy. On top of that, I don’t get the feeling that JR is the type of player that Dallas wants to spend their hard-earned cap $ on (the Jason Kidd thing totally baffles me).

      It’s an interesting situation – looking through the league, I don’t see an obvious fit for him on a team that wants to spend the MLE on a player like him. And if it’s mini-MLE teams, it’s not much more money than he can make here on a non-bird contract. I think I feel pretty good about JR coming back.

    137. Frank

      ephus:
      Turning back to the Rockets and their revolving door at PG, they will be meeting with Aaron Brooks this weekend.I think I have seen this movie before, and did not like how it turned out for the Rockets.

      You get the feeling they will end up overpaying for a PG, since the good PGs know that Houston is really in the lurch at that position. Totally bizarre offseason for Morey.

    138. stratomatic

      Brian Cronin:
      Well, Melo likely brought JR Smith here, at least! That’s something!

      If you ask me, having JR Smith here is another reason to dislike Melo. :-)

      Seriously, the ability to create you’re own shot is a double edged sword. Some players lack the basketball IQ (I don’t know why I feel compelled to be politically correct and say basketball IQ when the guy is a flat out idiot) to know when they should and should not take the shot they just created (see Melo, JR Smith, Nate Robinson, Monta Ellis etc..). So their efficiency and the success of the team suffers despite that talent.

    139. jon abbey

      New Guy: That whole thing made me think the Nets didn’t realize using the MLE triggered the $74 million apron until they started reading all the reaction to it on the internet.

      this was definitely the case IMO, Prokhorov should send Hollinger a big lump sum if they end up landing Howard.

    140. Frank

      jon abbey: this was definitely the case IMO, Prokhorov should send Hollinger a big lump sum if they end up landing Howard.

      makes you seriously wonder what sort of under-the-table deal Teletovic got from Prokhorov’s subsidiaries/shadow companies. Why in the world would he just up and give up $2MM/year? Out of the goodness of his heart?

    141. Frank

      btw, should we ever consider that perhaps the Knicks are the ones drumming up news stories about FAs so that our rivals have to pay more for them? Grunwald has very much shown that he is a very smart guy, and CAA clearly has very smart people on-board. Perhaps we are the users, and not the usees.

    142. stratomatic

      I think Dallas was more or less forced to sign Jason Kidd to appease Dirk. The master plan was to sign Deron & Howard. That was the only way to sell Dirk on the idea of letting Chandler go because everyone understood that Chandler was a key component to winning it all the year before. But if you could get Howard & Deron, a one year sacrifice was worth it. Now that that plan backfired, I’m sure Cuban has a very unhappy Dirk on his hands because Dallas is starting to look like a team in rapid decline instead of rebuilding on the fly like the Spurs. Cuban has to want to at least keep them relevant so Dirk isn’t asking him for a trade soon. Kidd can at least give them a few quality minutes.

    143. stratomatic

      Frank: makes you seriously wonder what sort of under-the-table deal Teletovic got from Prokhorov’s subsidiaries/shadow companies.Why in the world would he just up and give up $2MM/year? Out of the goodness of his heart?

      I heard she’s 6′ 2″, blond, beautiful, and gives great….. And her female friends are all bisexual.

    144. Tabor

      How have the Knicks not expressed interest in Ramon Sessions yet, the guy would be great for the Knicks even if Lin does return. He doesn’t need to score but he is quick and good facilitator

    145. BigBlueAL

      Marc Stein just tweeted:

      In another unforeseen twist of this wild offseason, sources say Jason Kidd has decided to leave Mavs and join Knicks on a multiyear deal

    146. JC Knickfan

      Brian Cronin:
      I actually was thinking the other day that Memphis might (stress “might”) be one of the few teams who might actually need the pu pu platter that the Knicks are offering. Toney Douglas could (stress “could”) actually help them out. So yeah, I guess I could see a scenario where they add Mayo with a sign and trade and then use the mini-MLE to get a point guard.

      Are you including or excluding Shump in your Pu-Pu Platter. If not this is very unappetizing platter that not even natives would order.

    147. Frank

      WTF.
      We better not have given him a 3 year $9M contract. Or I guess, who cares other than Dolan’s accountant since it expires at the right time and we’re over tax line anyway.

      That’s a good move IMO. Perfect backup PG and mentor for Lin. Would much rather have him than Felton.

      Poor Felton. He’ll be out there looking for scraps before too long.

    148. ephus

      On Teletovic, the Nets would have you believe that he agreed to give up $2 million/year because the Nets otherwise could have opted not to consummate any deal. But if Teletovic were not signed by the Nets, he was free to negotiate with all of the other NBA teams. In fact, Cleveland was publicly reported to have been negotiating with him earlier in the week.

      It seems much more likely that Nets ownership figured out a way to get (at least) $2 million/year in value to Teletovic outside of his contract.

      I think Stern has to get involved here. By involved, I mean an investigation with real teeth. If the Nets circumvented the CBA, all of the available penalties should be imposed: (1) void the contract, (2) $3 million fine, and (3) forfeit the next first round draft pick.

      This may have been Billy King’s last ride.

    149. BigBlueAL

      Yeah I would much rather have Kidd than Felton mainly because of the fear as Brian noted earlier of Woodson starting Felton and even giving him more minutes than Lin.

      Granted I still fear Woodson starting Kidd ahead of Lin but I would assume with his age at worst he wouldnt give him more minutes than Lin. At least God I hope not.

    150. Frank

      ephus: It seems much more likely that Nets ownership figured out a way to get (at least) $2 million/year in value to Teletovic outside of his contract.

      That’s exactly what I meant. It’s either $2M in value, or Prokhorov agreed not to kneecap all his relatives. Either way, this deserves a look-see by the NBA IMHO.

    151. JC Knickfan

      Knicks must have given him mini-MLE, otherwise he actually gave up money to sign with the Knicks?

      If true, great mentor for Lin.

    152. BigBlueAL

      Marc Stein’s article mentions Kidd wanting to come to NY in part to mentor Lin while Isola tweets the Knicks will either match Lin or if not sign Felton instead. Somebody shoot me if the latter happens.

    153. Brian Cronin

      Are you including or excluding Shump in your Pu-Pu Platter. If not this is very unappetizing platter that not even natives would order.

      Excluding. With Shump, it is a fine entree not a pu pu platter.

    154. Frank O.

      Tabor:
      How have the Knicks not expressed interest in Ramon Sessions yet, the guy would be great for the Knicks even if Lin does return. He doesn’t need to score but he is quick and good facilitator

      sessions wants to start, I think, and I think the Knicks see Lin starting…but I think a competition between the two guys would be good for each of them and Lin could swing to the 2 from time to time as well. It would be good for the Knicks to have both guys…What was sessions getting in LA? was he a $5 mill a year guy?

    155. Brian Cronin

      Marc Stein’s article mentions Kidd wanting to come to NY in part to mentor Lin while Isola tweets the Knicks will either match Lin or if not sign Felton instead. Somebody shoot me if the latter happens.

      I love the idea that those two later things are treated by Isola as effectively equal. “They’ll also bring back Lin. Or Felton. Whichever.”

    156. johnlocke

      LOL

      JC Knickfan: Are you including or excluding Shump in your Pu-Pu Platter. If not this is very unappetizing platter that not even natives would order.

    157. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin: I love the idea that those two later things are treated by Isola as effectively equal. “They’ll also bring back Lin. Or Felton. Whichever.”

      LOL exactly.

    158. Brian Cronin

      That’s exactly what I meant. It’s either $2M in value, or Prokhorov agreed not to kneecap all his relatives. Either way, this deserves a look-see by the NBA IMHO.

      Definitely agreed. Stern has to investigate. Then again, who knows which of Stern’s relatives are tied up in a van until he announces that the deal is approved?

    159. Frank O.

      Stein says,

      In an unforeseen reversal, Jason Kidd has decided to leave the Dallas Mavericks to join the New York Knicks, according to sources familiar with the decision.

      With the Mavericks confident that they were closing in Thursday on a verbal agreement on a three-year deal with Kidd worth $9 million, sources told ESPN.com that Kidd — after all-day deliberations with both teams — has decided instead to leave Dallas to join the Knicks for a similar deal.

      The contract can’t actually be signed until July 11, which is the first day new NBA contracts can be signed. It’s also possible, one source said, that Kidd could ultimately move to the Knicks in a sign-and-trade deal.

      Sources briefed on the matter told ESPN.com that Kidd was ultimately swayed to take the Knicks’ offer to come to New York and take on the challenge of trying to help the Knicks move into the Eastern Conference and also mentor fans darling’ Jeremy Lin.

    160. johnlocke

      Kidd, if finalized, is a great pick-up. Still a quality defender on bigger guards, could see him playing in a more synergistic way with Lin in the backcourt, that would have made less sense with Nash. Not sure how his PnR game is, since they weren’t running a lot of that in Dallas I don’t think, but a huge upgrade over Bibby, Douglas, Bibby …so yes! Now if we could get Allen, I’d really be slapping Grunwald on the back for a job well done. And of course resign Lin, Novak and JR.

      jon abbey:
      I love the mentor of Lin part with Kidd, I hope he can still play some too.

    161. johnlocke

      Since we’re already in the Eastern Conference…assumed he meant to say “move up in” the Eastern Conference or contend in the Eastern Conference? lol.

      Frank O.:
      Stein says,

      Sources briefed on the matter told ESPN.com that Kidd was ultimately swayed to take the Knicks’ offer to come to New York and take on the challenge of trying to help the Knicks move into the Eastern Conference and also mentor fans darling’ Jeremy Lin.

    162. steveoh

      FWIW, Melo and Chandler and Amare are who they are. And the role players we pick up for the MLE will be just that. Small incremental improvements to fill holes and create new ones.

      Our rise into the next level might be based on how much Jeremy Lin improves. And having Jason Kidd as a mentor is amazing.

    163. BigBlueAL

      Is there anything to say for someone like Kidd at least having Melo’s respect?? I mean Kidd’s word should have some sway you know??

    164. johnlocke

      Both are spotty shooters, so tough to have them in the backcourt together… remember back to OKC Lakers when OKC just sagged off Sessions, he and Lin are too similar in my mind to be complementary

      Frank O.: sessions wants to start, I think, and I think the Knicks see Lin starting…but I think a competition between the two guys would be good for each of them and Lin could swing to the 2 from time to time as well. It would be good for the Knicks to have both guys…What was sessions getting in LA? was he a $5 mill a year guy?

    165. jon abbey

      I

      johnlocke:
      Kidd, if finalized, is a great pick-up. Still a quality defender on bigger guards, could see him playing in a more synergistic way with Lin in the backcourt, that would have made less sense with Nash. Not sure how his PnR game is, since they weren’t running a lot of that in Dallas I don’t think, but a huge upgrade over Bibby, Douglas, Bibby …so yes! Now if we could get Allen, I’d really be slapping Grunwald on the back for a job well done. And of course resign Lin, Novak and JR.

      Allen is going to pick between Miami and Boston, I don’t think we ever tried or had a chance there.

      Lin/Novak/JR/Jeffries would put us in OK shape, a veteran big man would be nice too.

    166. ephus

      Frank O.: It’s also possible, one source said, that Kidd could ultimately move to the Knicks in a sign-and-trade deal.

      Sign and trade makes much more sense here. Knicks can put together Gadzuric and Douglas to allow a 3 year deal starting at around $4.3 million. Make two years guaranteed, last year unguaranteed and the money is equal to the mini-MLE, but preserves the mini-MLE for a big man. If Dallas will not take Douglas, then the Knicks would have to send Gadzuric, Jordan and Jorts just to get a starting salary above $3 million.

      Jason Kidd for 12-15 minutes per night will contribute spot-up shooting, defensive rebounding and smooth perimeter distribution. He no longer can get to the rim on penetration, and he does not have the quickness to stay in front of most opposing PGs. But he plays good positional defense and should have the respect of ‘Melo, Chandler and Stat.

    167. Tabor

      With the addition of Kidd now, do you think this increases or decreases the chance that Lin returns? I believe he is coming back but what is everybody elses thoughts?

    168. JC Knickfan

      “Brandon Bass Agrees To Three-Year Deal With Celtics”

      After taking Miami to 7 games Ainge decide bring the team back, but sign healthier Terry for Allen. I was really hoping Boston would go into rebuild mode, but not happening.

    169. PutInRolando

      We’ll never go anywhere with Carcamelo on the Knicks. Evidence: “I quit. We quit.”; “Pouting? I don’t even know what pouting means.”; “Selfish? I’ve never heard anyone call me selfish.”

    170. Frank

      Kidd’s Synergy numbers are really interesting:

      Offense:
      PNR ballhandler 0.98 PPP (11th in league)
      Spot-up 0.97 PPP (141st in the league, but overall not terrible)
      Transition 0.54 PPP (291st in league) – crazy since Kidd used to be one of the best end-to-end transition guys ever

      Defense:
      pretty average – 0.83 PPP overall 166th in league
      terrible against isolation – 1 PPP (297th)
      otherwise ok, ranking 23rd-95th only other major play-types.

      Not sure how much PG vs. SG he played last year with Dallas. I don’t think he can guard PGs anymore.

    171. BigBlueAL

      Ric Bucher just tweeted:

      JKidd, the Samaritan: chose NYK “because I think I can help.” Also feels NYK has more “pieces.” Ouchy for champs, 1 year removed.

    172. jon abbey

      Kidd also has a season of experience with Chandler, that should help both of them some.

    173. jon abbey

      JC Knickfan:
      “Brandon Bass Agrees To Three-Year Deal With Celtics”

      After taking Miami to 7 games Ainge decide bring the team back, but sign healthier Terry for Allen.I was really hoping Boston would go into rebuild mode, but not happening.

      they’re also going to add a healthy Jeff Green, they will be very tough if healthy.

    174. BigBlueAL

      Frank:
      Kidd’s Synergy numbers are really interesting:

      Offense:
      PNR ballhandler 0.98 PPP (11th in league)
      Spot-up 0.97 PPP (141st in the league, but overall not terrible)
      Transition 0.54 PPP (291st in league) – crazy since Kidd used to be one of the best end-to-end transition guys ever

      Defense:
      pretty average – 0.83 PPP overall 166th in league
      terrible against isolation – 1 PPP (297th)
      otherwise ok, ranking 23rd-95th only other major play-types.

      Not sure how much PG vs. SG he played last year with Dallas. I don’t think he can guard PGs anymore.

      Thanks for the numbers Frank, good stuff.

    175. steveoh

      JC Knickfan:
      @183

      How about we ask our US Olympian Melo to take it to the next level?

      Are you holding your breath for that? I’m not. But maybe having Jason Kidd around getting into his ear too will help.

    176. llcoolbp

      Signing Kidd is a good move. He has enough left in the tank to back up Lin for up to 20 minutes a night. He’s the perfect mentor. More importantly he has a ring and is one of the most respected players in the NBA. Maybe he can further help transform the culture in the locker room. A process already started last year by Chandler.

      At this point in his career I think j Kidd knows exactly what he is, and doesn’t try to force anything, thus minimizing his injury risk. I don’t see a downside to this move. They weren’t going for a home run like with Nash, but this is the safe move. Swinging for the fences is hoping Lin really blossoms into a star.

    177. thenamestsam

      Hate this move. If you think Kidd is significantly better than Bibby or Baron Davis you probably didn’t watch Jason Kidd play last year. I think he’s completely done. He’s only passable on defense against bigger guards, everyone else he’s awful. On offense he can still throw a good pass, and he’ll shoot a decent percentage, but he’ll pass up open shot after open shot, and he has no penetration whatsoever. If you look at his numbers or his film and ignored the name on the jersey you’d see a 12th man.

    178. Frank

      thenamestsam: He’s only passable on defense against bigger guards, everyone else he’s awful.

      So just play him against bigger guards. They’re called shooting guards.

      thenamestsam: On offense he can still throw a good pass, and he’ll shoot a decent percentage, but he’ll pass up open shot after open shot, and he has no penetration whatsoever

      So he can do like Landry Fields but still throw a good pass and shoot a decent percentage?

    179. johnlocke

      He also says we have a shot at Mayo… which would probably require another sign and trade…so hopefully we’re not giving up much beyond TD and Gadzuric in this deal for Kidd.

      BigBlueAL: champs

    180. RastaPappa

      But this doesn’t mean that Lin is staying. At least we have someone who can be pg for few minutes per night. Maybe Felton is coming. But that doesn’t solve our problems either. We need young and hungry guys with killer instinct and not these oldfarts looking for money.

    181. gjknick

      Love the move! As a fan, I look forward to watching what Chandler, Amare, Melo, Shump/Smith, and Lin can do. Going with Kidd as a backup instead of bringing in Nash means we keep the core from last year and for ONCE this decade have some sense of stability. Stability that hopefully leads to better overall team play. The talent is there to contend.

    182. Frank

      Meanwhile, JR tweeted “Let’s do it baby!” after the Knicks got Kidd. Sounds like he’s coming back. Or he’s with Joe Budden’s girl again.

    183. thenamestsam

      Frank: So just play him against bigger guards. They’re called shooting guards.

      So he can do like Landry Fields but still throw a good pass and shoot a decent percentage?

      You can do that, but then you need a shooting guard who can guard 1s, which isn’t all of them. You’re right that it shouldn’t be as much of an issue for the Knicks since I think both Iman and J.R. are capable of guarding opposing points. And they probably plan on playing Lin and Kidd together occasionally, especially while Lin is out, and Lin can obviously guard the point. Interesting sidenote, do we think Kidd is a starter while Iman is out, or would you start JR over him?

      I think Fields is actually a pretty reasonable comparison. Both excellent rebounders for their position, both very good passers, obviously Kidd is a better shooter than this years version of Fields, but still very hesitant to pull the trigger and bogs down the offense because of it. Fields is better on D though and miles more athletic. Fields actually gets to the hole on occasion. Kidd had 273 FGA last year, 223 were 3 pointers.

    184. diehardknickerbocker

      iserp:
      I think Kidd is done; i hate this for the knicks… but let’s see.

      he’s just a back up for lin remember smh

    185. Brian Cronin

      I think Lin is still in good shape to demand more. Essentially his argument to Houston is “You need to give me $40 million because you can’t afford to lose me and only $40 million is enough to make the Knicks waver on matching the offer.” It is a good argument.

    186. jon abbey

      Brian Cronin:
      I think Lin is still in good shape to demand more. Essentially his argument to Houston is “You need to give me $40 million because you can’t afford to lose me and only $40 million is enough to make the Knicks waver on matching the offer.” It is a good argument.

      but Houston should be able to get someone like Sessions or Brooks a lot cheaper than that, I’d think.

    187. SSS

      Brian Cronin: I think Lin is still in good shape to demand more. Essentially his argument to Houston is “You need to give me $40 million because you can’t afford to lose me and only $40 million is enough to make the Knicks waver on matching the offer.” It is a good argument.

      A particularly good argument if negotiating against Dolan. Second only to “c’mon…”. Not sure Houston can’t afford to lose him though.

    188. ruruland

      Frank: Meanwhile, JR tweeted “Let’s do it baby!” after the Knicks got Kidd. Sounds like he’s coming back. Or he’s with Joe Budden’s girl again.

      Former

    189. Brian Cronin

      but Houston should be able to get someone like Sessions or Brooks a lot cheaper than that, I’d think.

      Definitely true, but aren’t both of those guys downgrades from Dragic and Lowry? Lin theoretically is not.

    190. Caleb

      David Crockett:
      It looks like Sessions is the best FA on the market right now at PG. (I really don’t care to see any part of Felton’s horrific offense. If he played above average defense it’d be one thing, but… eww.)

      Hey, does it strike anyone else as odd that PHO took a cash-and-late first round picks deal for Nash from a division rival? That strikes me as quite unorthodox. I don’t know their situation. Are they up against the tax threshold? Did they just not want players?

      Nash wanted to be there, end of story. Lakers had the worst roster in the league outside the top 3 so really there was no PLAYER phoenix wanted.

      These comments are weird – guys, we weren’t outbid. NYK could have made the same offer as LAL did – except adding jordan + harrelson but making them cough up 1.5 mil for TD. In other words, same thing or a little better even. Shump was not an issue! We were not outbid! Nash just wanted LA.

      I’ll also add, he didn’t use NYK to bid up his price – he took the same as we offered, and below market value.

    191. Caleb

      Brian Cronin:
      I mean, that sounds obvious enough, right? Fields would rather stay a Knick, but how could he possibly turn down $20 million over three years? If the Knicks offered him the max they could offer, I bet he’d stay. But I don’t think they would, so he just can’t stick around.

      Lin, as others have noted, likely says, “Why sign for slightly more than I can get as a Knick if it risks my chances of returning to the Knicks?” This way, he also opens the door for Toronto to blow him away with an offer much higher than what the Knicks can pay.

      Even with its huge and recently obvious loopholes, the gilbert arenas rule limits what toronto or any team could offer lin.

    192. diehardknickerbocker

      domiknick:
      Raptors just traded for Kyle Lowry.Think this mean they’re likely out of the Lin running?

      Definitely dont think so

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