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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jan 31 2013)

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Chandler shows offensive versatility (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:17:47 EDT)
    In most games, you’re going to see Tyson Chandler stick to his offensive bread and butter: rolling to the basket off pick-and-rolls for lob passes, crashing the boards for putbacks or tapbacks, and setting strong and timely screens for his teammates — arguably the most underrated aspect of his repertoire.
    What you will rarely see is Chandler hitting short jumpshots, scoring on the block and making heads-up passes.
    But that’s exactly what he did in the Knicks’ 113-97 victory over the Magic on Wednesday night, finishing with a team-high 21 points on 10-for-11 shooting.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Notebook: Melo's mark; Prigioni's progress (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:01:18 EDT)
    How do you score at least 20 points in 30 straight games?
    To Carmelo Anthony, it’s pretty simple.
    “You’ve just got to be patient, take what the defense gives you,” Anthony said.
    The New York Knicks star set a franchise record on Wednesday by scoring 20 points against the Orlando Magic. It was the 30th straight game in which Anthony had at least 20 points.
    The previous mark was set by Richie Guerin in the 1961-62 season. Patrick Ewing had at least 20 in 28 straight games in the 1989-90 campaign.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Amar'e putting chemistry worries to bed (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:42:43 EDT)
    The whole notion that Amar’e Stoudemire’s return would somehow ruin the New York Knicks’ chemistry?
    It seems like that can be put to bed.
    Stoudemire hasn’t just fit in to what the Knicks want to do on offense. Lately, he has been a driving force behind it.
    That continued on Wednesday as Stoudemire scored 14 points on 7-for-7 shooing in 21 minutes to help the Knicks overwhelm the struggling Orlando Magic.
    “He’s playing well and we’re playing very well off of him,” Carmelo Anthony said of Stoudemire, who has scored in double digits in seven straight games.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Woodson could be in the Stars (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:52:13 GMT)
    Mike Woodson is in contention to coach the East All-Stars. The coaches of the teams with the best record in their respective conferences as of Monday morning will earn the spot.

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Without Kidd, Knicks think young (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:38:04 GMT)
    The Knicks didn’t have Jason Kidd when it was their turn to beat up on the Orlando Magic. No glue player for Mike Woodson, but it hardly mattered by the time the Knicks started making three-pointers at the Garden in the final 12 minutes as if it was November all over again.

  • [New York Daily News] Stoudemire, Knicks make it look easy against woeful Magic (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:29:53 GMT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire isn’t going to improve the Knicks defensively regardless of how often he talks about it and no matter how many times Mike Woodson demands of it from the veteran forward. Stoudemire’s strength is, and has always been, his ability to score and Wednesday night he conjured up images of his first season in New York.

  • [New York Times] Suns Rally to Beat Lakers in Nash’s Return for LA (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:27:53 GMT)
    Steve Nash’s first trip back to Phoenix to play the Suns was an evening of triumph.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Overwhelm Bobcats on Popovich Return (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:33:23 GMT)
    The San Antonio Spurs gave recuperating coach Gregg Popovich a welcome return to the sidelines on Wednesday by romping to a ninth consecutive win with a 102-78 thumping of the Charlotte Bobcats.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 113, Magic 97: Knicks Toughen Up on Defense and Dispatch Magic (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:26:05 GMT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler thrived on the floor together and helped the Knicks shore up a flagging defense in a 113-97 win over Orlando.

  • [New York Times] Heat 105, Nets 85: Heat Show the Nets How Far They Still Have to Go (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:34:08 GMT)
    LeBron James and Dwyane Wade put together a highlight reel of dunks while leading the Heat to a rout at Barclays Center, ending the Nets’ eight-game home winning streak.

  • [New York Times] Gallinari’s 27 Lead Nuggets Past Rockets, 118-110 (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:15:44 GMT)
    Danilo Gallinari scored a game-high 27 points, Kenneth Faried had 19 points and nine rebounds and the Denver Nuggets beat the Houston Rockets 118-110 Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Millsap Leads Jazz Over Hornets 104-99 (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:09:50 GMT)
    Paul Millsap scored 25 points, Al Jefferson had 22 and the Utah Jazz defeated the New Orleans Hornets 104-99 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat Blow Out Nets in 2nd Half, Win 105-85 (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:07:09 GMT)
    LeBron James arrived in Brooklyn to an unfriendly welcome from the Nets’ Reggie Evans, who downplayed Miami’s title and James’ talents.

  • [New York Times] Rudy Gay Joins Raptors in Big Three-Team Trade (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:57:21 GMT)
    The struggling Toronto Raptors have acquired Memphis Grizzlies leading scorer Rudy Gay as part of a three-team deal involving the Detroit Pistons, the teams said on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Overwhelm Bobcats on Popovich Return (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:54:21 GMT)
    The San Antonio Spurs gave recuperating coach Gregg Popovich a welcome return to the sidelines on Wednesday by romping to a ninth consecutive win with a 102-78 thumping of the Charlotte Bobcats.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Run Win Streak to 9 With Win Over Bobcats (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:24:47 GMT)
    Tony Parker had 22 points and the San Antonio Spurs never trailed in beating the Charlotte Bobcats 102-78 on Wednesday night, extending their winning streak to nine games.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Outmuscle Wolves in 96-90 Victory (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:48:49 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Clippers don’t take kindly to being pushed around.

  • [New York Times] Robinson Scores 24 to Lead Bulls Past Bucks (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:37:49 GMT)
    Nate Robinson scored 16 of his 24 points in the second quarter, leading the Chicago Bulls to a 104-88 victory over the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Horford’s Late Jam Helps Hawks Edge Raptors, 93-92 (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:21:45 GMT)
    Al Horford scored 22 points, including a go-ahead dunk with 21 seconds remaining, and the Atlanta Hawks beat the short-handed Toronto Raptors 93-92 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Anthony Set Team Record With 30th 20-Point Game (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:15:57 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony scored 20 points to set a team-record with his 30th straight 20-point game, leading the New York Knicks to a 113-97 victory over the reeling Orlando Magic on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pierce Leads Celtics to Win Over Kings (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:10:04 GMT)
    The Boston Celtics won their second game since losing Rajon Rondo for the season with a knee injury, beating the visiting Sacramento Kings, 99-81.

  • [New York Times] Hibbert Has Double-Double as Pacers Beat Pistons (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:06:47 GMT)
    Roy Hibbert had 18 points and 11 rebounds to lead the Indiana Pacers to a 98-79 win over Detroit Pistons on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Embattled Head of N.B.A. Players Union Offers Changes (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 02:56:46 GMT)
    Billy Hunter, the embattled head of the N.B.A. players union, announced a modest list of reforms on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Gay Heads to Toronto in Grizzlies’ Makeover (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 02:54:51 GMT)
    The star swingman Rudy Gay is on his way to Toronto in the latest move in the Memphis Grizzlies’ money-motivated makeover.

  • [New York Times] Holiday and Young Lead 76ers Over Wizards (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 02:33:40 GMT)
    Jrue Holiday scored 21 points, Nick Young had 18 and the host Philadelphia 76ers beat the Washington Wizards, 92-84, for just their fourth win in 13 games.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Fewer Minutes for Knicks’ Kidd, Whose Back Is Ailing (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:57:59 GMT)
    Jason Kidd, the Knicks’ 39-year-old guard, missed Wednesday’s game against Orlando, his fifth of the season, because of back spasms.

  • [New York Times] On Basketball: Lessons From a LeBron James Hug (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:41:45 GMT)
    The Heat star’s midcourt celebration with a fan was a teachable moment to help bridge the gap between the sports consumer and the chosen few.

  • [New York Newsday] Carmelo Anthony sets mark as Knicks pull away from Magic (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:22:00 EST)
    Carmelo Anthony broke a Knicks' record that stood for more than 50 years on a night when he didn't even lead his team in scoring.

  • [New York Newsday] Mike Woodson's lineup may start small,but it'll finish big (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:31:28 EST)
    Mike Woodson isn't committing to starting a big lineup, but he said Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler will play together more and finish many games.

  • [New York Post] Stoudemire posts big night (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:33:13 -0500)
    In many ways the Knicks season comes down to questions about Amar’e Stoudemire. Could he return successfully from left knee surgery, did he really learn a post game this summer, and would he truly accept a reserve role if it meant winning?
    Last night showed the answer to all…

  • [New York Post] Injured vets will be key to deep run (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:19:22 -0500)
    IF YOU heard coach Mike Woodson talk before last night’s game against the Magic at the Garden, you would think the Knicks were a team filled with young legs, and young energy.
    “The foundation of our team is the younger players,â? Woodson said. “The older guys have just got…

  • [New York Post] Melo, Amar’e & Tyson all thrive in Knicks’ win (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:44:43 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony set a Knicks record for 30 straight consecutive 20-point games, but Wednesday night wasn’t about Melo.
    This was about their $54 million big-man triumverate of Anthony-Amar’e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler looking for the first time like a three-headed scoring monster.
    Chandler and Stoudemire prospered in the…

  • [New York Post] No Magic remedy: Sore Kidd scratched (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:33:13 -0500)
    Coach Mike Woodson’s fears of running Jason Kidd into the ground were well-founded. The venerable guard was scratched before the Knicks’ 113-97 victory over the Magic Wednesday night because of a sore lower back, three days after being limited to just five minutes against Atlanta.
    “When you lose Raymond…

  • [New York Post] Woodson wants title, not All-Star nod (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 03:33:13 -0500)
    With the Knicks’ soft schedule entering the All-Star break, Mike Woodson has a slight chance to coach the Eastern All-Star squad. The Knicks could conceivably pass Miami for best record in the Eastern Conference by the cutoff date for coaching selection â?? Feb. 3.
    The second-seeded Knicks (28-15) trail the Heat…

  • 41 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jan 31 2013)

    1. thenamestsam

      It’s weird to me reading articles disparaging the Rudy Gay trade from Memphis’ perspective that refer to it as “dismantling a title contender”. Did anyone really think they were really in that elite class even before this trade? The Hollinger playoff odds said a 1.7% chance and that seems about right. They’re a playoff lock, but they’d have to go through at least 2 out of 3 of San Antonio, LAC and OKC plus a probable first round against either Denver or Golden State. I don’t think Rudy Gay was going to make the difference against that kind of slate.

      The way I see it they were a creative perimeter scorer away from being a real threat before the trade and they’re basically in the exact same position now, except they have a bunch of cap space and a nice young asset in Davis to try to find that player in the next year or so.

    2. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      thenamestsam:
      It’s weird to me reading articles disparaging the Rudy Gay trade from Memphis’ perspective that refer to it as “dismantling a title contender”. Did anyone really think they were really in that elite class even before this trade? The Hollinger playoff odds said a 1.7% chance and that seems about right. They’re a playoff lock, but they’d have to go through at least 2 out of 3 of San Antonio, LAC and OKC plus a probable first round against either Denver or Golden State. I don’t think Rudy Gay was going to make the difference against that kind of slate.

      The way I see it they were a creative perimeter scorer away from being a real threat before the trade and they’re basically in the exact same position now, except they have a bunch of cap space and a nice young asset in Davis to try to find that player in the next year or so.

      It’s all about the narrative. Rudy Gay is a volume scorer. That is all he does.

      http://www.thenbageek.com/players/150-rudy-gay

      Look at his numbers compared to other SF. He is exactly average with regard to everything but — surprise! — shooting volume (+) and shooting efficiency (-). And someone was dumb enough to take that max contract off their hands. It’s a brilliant move by the Grizz, no downside whatsoever.

    3. Owen

      Yeah, I agree. Great move by the Grizz. I think they are a player away. And this gives them a chance to find that player.

    4. iserp

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: It’s all about the narrative. Rudy Gay is a volume scorer. That is all he does.

      http://www.thenbageek.com/players/150-rudy-gay

      Look at his numbers compared to other SF. He is exactly average with regard to everything but — surprise! — shooting volume (+) and shooting efficiency (-). And someone was dumb enough to take that max contract off their hands. It’s a brilliant move by the Grizz, no downside whatsoever.

      I think it is good move for the Grizz, but i think it has its cons. Prince is in the donwside of his career and won’t give the Grizz 40 mpg in the playoffs that Gay can provide. Zach Randolph prime years will pass shortly. I think they had a greater chance in this year playoffs with Gay than with Prince. And their future will hinge in what to do with Z-Bo, which wont be as tradeable.

      Ed Davis is a total steal and i wonder what Toronto is thinking, aiming for the most mediocre team in the NBA?

    5. thenamestsam

      iserp: I think they had a greater chance in this year playoffs with Gay than with Prince. And their future will hinge in what to do with Z-Bo, which wont be as tradeable.

      A greater chance I agree, but the devil is in the details. If the difference was between a 2% chance of winning a title and a .05% chance of winning a title I’m not really sure I can fault them for taking that step back to get a lot more flexibility in the long run.

      I agree that the next big question on the horizon is what to do with Z-Bo. His contract will be over after next year with a player option for 2014-2015. If I’m looking at this right they should be able to spend pretty close to the full mid-level this offseason. If they can find a way to get a good offensive swingman or even just a couple legit NBA guys in those slots their team would be as strong a contender for next year as they’ve ever been (in my eyes). Even guys like Matt Barnes and Kyle Korver would help them a lot.

      That’s Door A. Door B is to look to deal him this offseason with the goal of acquiring an impact perimeter player through the draft or on a rookie deal perhaps. Then they’d rebuild a little bit around a Conley-Gasol foundation.

      Whichever route they choose I think this trade helps them. I think the Cleveland trade in which they gave up a nicely protected 1st rounder is a way bigger question mark. Especially, if they end up deciding to deal Z-Bo.

    6. Frank

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: And someone was dumb enough to take that max contract off their hands. It’s a brilliant move by the Grizz, no downside whatsoever.

      Yeah, there aren’t too many dumb GMs out there anymore, but Colangelo is one of them. Who else is there? Geoff Petrie? Not sure how Colangelo still has a job. Granted the year they got the #1 pick that was a horrible draft, but he doubled down on that by extending Bargnani, then has the awful contracts of Derozan, and Landry Fields on his record to boot. The Landry Fields thing really was the worst — from a chess game standpoint it was a nice move to block the NYK from S/T’ing Landry to the Suns for Nash, but it was really a “push all your chips in” kind of move that probably just pissed Nash off. And now he has Landry Fields at 3-4x what his salary would have been otherwise.

      Anyway, back to the Knicks.
      According to NBAwowy, the Amare/Melo/Chandler pairing now has an offensive rating of 120.1 and a defrtg of 103.6. And they are just crushing it on the boards – ORB% 31.8, DRB% 77.6, TRB% 54.7, the last 2 of which would lead the NBA by large margins. Interestingly, Amare is the one that makes that rebounding go — lineups with Melo+Chandler but no Amare really suffer on the boards (ORB 25.2, DRB 75.1, TRB 48.6).

      And Amare – arbitrarily looking at the last 3 weeks (1/10-1/31), he has a USG% of 25.1 and a TS of 70.9. Dude is unreal.

    7. Nick C.

      Frank, is the difference that Amare is rocking the boards or that Melo slides to the 3, which in effect makes the difference Amare rather than Brewer (or whomever)? I hope that makes sense.

    8. DRed

      Nick C.:
      Frank, is the difference that Amare is rocking the boards or that Melo slides to the 3, which in effect makes the difference Amare rather than Brewer (or whomever)? I hope that makes sense.

      I’d think this. Melo is a pretty good rebounder as a small forward. I’d imagine if you played Chandler, Melo and Camby together you’d get a good rebounding team.

    9. d-mar

      Amare’s resurgence to me is the biggest positive for the Knicks this season. We are going to need him big time come the playoffs, and having another scoring option on the 2nd unit means less shots for JR, always a good thing.

      And all of the pundits who said Melo, Amare and Chandler can’t be on the court together are being proven wrong.

    10. JK47

      The Knicks are now tied for #1 in the NBA in defensive rebounding with the Spurs. Combine that with the Knicks’ penchant for creating turnovers and you have two of the four factors on defense in really good shape. They just have to get the defensive eFG% under control.

    11. Douglas

      Frank: Yeah, there aren’t too many dumb GMs out there anymore, but Colangelo is one of them. Who else is there? Geoff Petrie? Not sure how Colangelo still has a job. Granted the year they got the #1 pick that was a horrible draft, but he doubled down on that by extending Bargnani, then has the awful contracts of Derozan, and Landry Fields on his record to boot. The Landry Fields thing really was the worst — from a chess game standpoint it was a nice move to block the NYK from S/T’ing Landry to the Suns for Nash, but it was really a “push all your chips in” kind of move that probably just pissed Nash off. And now he has Landry Fields at 3-4x what his salary would have been otherwise.

      Zach Lowe at Grantland wrote it seems like Colangelo still holds a torch from the ’06 draft, now that he has Bargniani AND Gay.

    12. Nick C.

      JK47: The Knicks are now tied for #1 in the NBA in defensive rebounding with the Spurs. Combine that with the Knicks’ penchant for creating turnovers and you have two of the four factors on defense in really good shape. They just have to get the defensive eFG% under control.

      I looked at the TOs and it seems almost insame. They make 11.26/g next is 12.80 6th fewest is LAC @ 14.32. Yep 4 teams are w/i 3 TO/g. Even if there is some pace adjustment that would seem huge. TO differential is no different. +3.95 for the NYK next is 2.55 and I think that’s it for the +2s. Maybe this is primitive, but if they are getting say 4 extra possessions out of that at a .500 efg that would be 4 points a game.

    13. Frank

      DRed: I’d think this.Melo is a pretty good rebounder as a small forward.I’d imagine if you played Chandler, Melo and Camby together you’d get a good rebounding team.

      Surprisingly I think it’s the Amare/Tyson combo and Melo is sort of irrelevant to it. Small samples of course, but Amare + Tyson WITHOUT Melo is even better at rebounding – again only 47 possessions (1/2 a game, really), but ORB% 40% and DREB 82.6% for a TRB% of 58.5. Just monstrous numbers.

      Amare+Tyson with or without Melo is also quite good: ORB 33.9, DRB 78.7, TRB 55.6. Which surprisingly is actually better than Tyson + Camby = ORB 28, DRB 88.6, TRB 52.9.

      Again, all small samples.

    14. llcoolbp

      Nick C.: I looked at the TOs and it seems almost insame. They make 11.26/g next is 12.80 6th fewest is LAC @ 14.32. Yep 4 teams are w/i 3 TO/g. Even if there is some pace adjustment that would seem huge. TO differential is no different. +3.95 for the NYK next is 2.55 and I think that’s it for the +2s. Maybe this is primitive, but if they are getting say 4 extra possessions out of that at a .500 efg that would be 4 points a game.

      Interestingly 4 points is about the knicks average margin of victory.

    15. llcoolbp

      I still think the best is yet to come from this team. Assuming we stay healthy and get healthy. 39 games left in the season. If we can get sheed and camby back after the all star game that gives us 30 games to re-integrate those guys in a meaningful way. It also gives the knicks the luxury of really taking down chandlers minutes. You already see kidd’s minutes going down with shump and felton back. These guys are verteran’s so if they are healthy it takes them less time to get back in the flow.

      When everyone is back i really want to see the starting lineup:
      Felton (32 minutes)
      Shump (25)
      Melo (36)
      Camby (17)
      Chandler (30)

      Bench:
      STAT (28)
      JR (24)
      Kidd (25)
      Sheed (12)
      Novak (11)

      Odd men out, brewer and Prigs. Just not enough minutes to go around. Obviosuly I hope there will be a healthy overlap of Tyson, melo and stat. Its up to woody to make this work. He has shown that he can handle a large rotation successfuly, in the past. They will have 30 games after the break to make this work. In the meantime hopefully secure the 1 or 2 seed in the east. Though a 2 seed would probably mean an absolute war and bloodbath against chicago in the second round. Fun times ahead.

    16. appenb

      I’m another lurker-turned-poster. Kind of a basketball ignoramus, but some basic statistical understanding.

      It seems to me that we have to stop expecting the injuries to go away. When we bought an old, veteran team for a reasonable price, we bought a team where we cannot expect everyone to be healthy. Someone will always have a problem. Our interesting question is not what happens at some magic point in the season when we’re all healthy, but whether Woody can be flexible enough to respond to the baseline level of injuries that is normal for a veteran team.

    17. Nick C.

      Welcome. I think injuries would be the trade-off for 10+ years vets or sign uninsurable palyers. Felton or what happened to Shump last year of Melo when he cut his hand diving for a ball are the types of injruies to moan about.

    18. johnlocke

      Assumine he’s healthy, I’d be interested in what a starting lineup of Felton, Shump, Melo, Sheed and Chandler can do.
      Amare subs for Sheed, Camby for Chandler, JR for Shump/Felton, Kidd for Shump/Felton and Novak for Melo. Tempted to put Amare in the starting lineup, but he just gives us a great look and firepower off the bench, esp when he’s in with JR who can also run some PnR and space the floor.

      llcoolbp:
      I still think the best is yet to come from this team. Assuming we stay healthy and get healthy.39 games left in the season. If we can get sheed and camby back after the all star game that gives us 30 games to re-integrate those guys in a meaningful way. It also gives the knicks the luxury of really taking down chandlers minutes. You already see kidd’s minutes going down with shump and felton back. These guys are verteran’s so if they are healthy it takes them less time to get back in the flow.

      When everyone is back i really want to see the starting lineup:
      Felton (32 minutes)
      Shump (25)
      Melo (36)
      Camby (17)
      Chandler (30)

      Bench:
      STAT (28)
      JR (24)
      Kidd (25)
      Sheed (12)
      Novak (11)

      Odd men out, brewer and Prigs. Just not enough minutes to go around. Obviosuly I hope there will be a healthy overlap of Tyson, melo and stat. Its up to woody to make this work. He has shown that he can handle a large rotation successfuly, in the past. They will have 30 games after the break to make this work. In the meantime hopefully secure the 1 or 2 seed in the east. Though a 2 seed would probably mean an absolute war and bloodbath against chicago in the second round. Fun times ahead.

    19. johnlocke

      It’s like Beckley was trying to write a complimentary article then realized it was about the much maligned Amar’e and had to throw in some zingers. His post game so far in my mind is pretty good. First he squares up and he can hit the jumper if you back up, or he can go middle and hit the jump hook or dunk/get fouled or he can counter baseline with a quick spin and use his left hand to finish. I know it’s SuperBowl weekend but I haven’t seen a lot of “bull rushes”. He’s also making his moves quickly which allows less time for double teams / traps and for the defender to get his feet set. Not to mention some PnR and his off the ball movement to be in good position to catch and finish from driving guards. The offensive diversity has actually been pretty impressive in limited touches.

      ruruland:
      http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=truehoop&id=54147

      Amar’e has underwhelmed since returning. His post moves are unrefined bull rushes to the basket?

      Needless to say, not very impressive work by Mason (surprise!), but a couple tidbits that might be interesting.

    20. KnickfaninNJ

      Klownboy,

      Please stop posting irrelevant links. You shouldn’t be using this forum to promote your web page or whatever it is.

      klownboy:
      I must say I am glad Raymond Felton is back in the lineup.We missed his leadership that last few games, but managed ok.Speaking of leadership, Jason Kidd will be

    21. appenb

      Thanks!

      >Welcome. I think injuries would be the trade-off for 10+ years vets or >sign uninsurable palyers. Felton or what happened to Shump last year >of Melo when he cut his hand diving for a ball are the types of >injruies to moan about.

      Yeah, I thought last year was pretty tough. As far as new injuries to young-ish players this year, have we lost more player days than we should expect? Felton is what, 10 games? Melo 6? Thanks!

    22. nyk8806

      appenb: r as new injuries to young-ish players this year, have we lost more player days than we should expect? Felton is what, 10 games? Melo 6? Thanks!

      This. Every time I read someone post “assuming” health, I cringe. Sheed, Camby, Kidd, Thomas and to a lesser degree Amare and Shump are injury liabilities, and it’s safe to say that we’ll be without at least 2 of them for any meaningful stretch in this season (or postseason). That effect on the other guys’ minutes also increases burnout and injury risk, so it’s a vicious cycle. Add in a freak injury to a usually healthy workhorse (hello Felton) and things can go downhill fast.

    23. ruruland

      nicos: For the record: ppp in the post- Amar’e 1.04 (6th in the league), Al Jefferson .84 (49th in the league).

      Right, that reverse pivot spin power dribble takes a ridiculous amount of practice and skill.

      Maybe it looks like he’s bull-rushing because it takes him right under the basket.

      Just a stupid comment.

      I’d argue that because Amar’e can now generate his own shots and double-teams with extremely deep position, he has a chance to be even more valuable on a per minute basis than he was in Phoenix.

      While he was incredible in transition and opened up the pnr in Phoenix, a lot of bigs were at least comparably efficient with Nash in the 4-out.

      Amar’e can score like this against single teams regardless of who is out there with him.

      I’d expect a lot of double teams to start coming soon, however.

      Would anyone argue that as STAT’s minutes increase the Knicks will have the best frontcourt in the league?

      Amar’e (as he is and I expect him to get even better) at 30-35 minutes in the playoffs is a game-changer. I think it fundamentally changes the playoff calculus against even the heaviest hitters.

    24. ruruland

      By the end of the season, the Knicks could have a frontcourt that combines to average about 60 points a game on shooting efficiency well into the .600s.

      Only one frontcourt ( OKC with Collison/Ibaka/Durant) can really come close.

    25. ruruland

      nyk8806: This.Every time I read someone post “assuming” health, I cringe.Sheed, Camby, Kidd, Thomas and to a lesser degree Amare and Shump are injury liabilities, and it’s safe to say that we’ll be without at least 2 of them for any meaningful stretch in this season (or postseason).That effect on the other guys’ minutes also increases burnout and injury risk, so it’s a vicious cycle.Add in a freak injury to a usually healthy workhorse (hello Felton) and things can go downhill fast.

      I sort of disagree with this. Also, the Knicks only need one of Camby or Wallace to be healthy in the playoffs. I think it’s rather likely that will happen.

    26. Kurt

      ruru: one reason I’m not concerned about double teams for STAT is that, whenever Melo is on the floor, there’s a limit to how much attention a defense can afford to give STAT. Especially when Melo stays behind the arc on the wing and he’s hitting his spot ups, it’s essentially pick your poison between him and STAT.

      Two more reasons to be optimistic: STAT is still in the process of learning the defense. He should continue to improve.

      A more underrated dimension is Felton’s recovery. Keep in mind that he just came back from a long injury. We saw how important his penetration and playmaking skills were to the offense. As he continues to get back into the groove and improve his shooting, the offense should run even more smoothly.

      I do have to say, but I had a feeling that our big three should be able to play together with good coaching and good point guard play.

      Even now, 4 out, one in teams are still a minority in the NBA. There was no reason a good coach couldn’t work out an offense to include both Chandler and STAT.

    27. JK47

      It’s pretty interesting looking at where Amar’e's FGA are coming from, and how his game is different so far this year.

      Last year, regular season and playoffs combined, he took 690 FGA. 418 of those 690 were from 9 feet or less, about 60% of his shots. That means that 40% of his shots came from 10 feet or more.

      This year, 80 of his 103 FGA are from 9 feet or less, which is of course roughly 80 percent.

      Last year, 55% of Stat’s FGA were jumpers. This year it’s 40%. Fully 60% of Stat’s shot attempts this year are dunks, lay-ups, tip-ins or hook shots.

      When you look at his shot chart from last year and compare it to this year, it’s striking. He was taking LOTS of those low-efficiency mid-range jumpers last year. Of course, under D’Antoni he was no doubt encouraged to take those awful shots. Stat had a .524 TS% under D’Antoni last year. Under Woodson, it shot up to .606. This year, of course, he’s well over .600.

      The problem was never that Melo, Stat and Chandler couldn’t play well together, the problem was that Mike D’Antoni didn’t have enough sense to realize that Amar’e Stoudemire shooting 15 foot jumpers is a poor percentage play, even if the shot clock has been running for less than seven seconds.

    28. jon abbey

      I bet if you check his numbers for the previous season, you’ll find that he was quite good shooting 15 foot jumpers. the real problem was that he was missing them all year, but he had been a great jump shooter before last season, like Oakley at the end of his career.

    29. BigBlueAL

      JK47:
      It’s pretty interesting looking at where Amar’e’s FGA are coming from, and how his game is different so far this year.

      Last year, regular season and playoffs combined, he took 690 FGA.418 of those 690 were from 9 feet or less, about 60% of his shots.That means that 40% of his shots came from 10 feet or more.

      This year, 80 of his 103 FGA are from 9 feet or less, which is of course roughly 80 percent.

      Last year, 55% of Stat’s FGA were jumpers.This year it’s 40%.Fully 60% of Stat’s shot attempts this year are dunks, lay-ups, tip-ins or hook shots.

      When you look at his shot chart from last year and compare it to this year, it’s striking.He was taking LOTS of those low-efficiency mid-range jumpers last year.Of course, under D’Antoni he was no doubt encouraged to take those awful shots.Stat had a .524 TS% under D’Antoni last year.Under Woodson, it shot up to .606.This year, of course, he’s well over .600.

      The problem was never that Melo, Stat and Chandler couldn’t play well together, the problem was that Mike D’Antoni didn’t have enough sense to realize that Amar’e Stoudemire shooting 15 foot jumpers is a poor percentage play, even if the shot clock has been running for less than seven seconds.

      Yeah, D’Antoni never was good at utilizing Amar’e. Dunno how Amar’e had so many good seasons in Phoenix….

    30. JK47

      Yeah, D’Antoni never was good at utilizing Amar’e. Dunno how Amar’e had so many good seasons in Phoenix….

      Well, yeah, in Phoenix he had the ideal personnel to run his system, and still, Stat’s game was not so heavily reliant on the mid-range jumper. In his last season with the Suns, 70% of Stat’s shot attempts came from 9 feet or shorter. Stat of course mostly played C under D’Antoni while somebody else like Channing Frye was playing the stretch 4 that SSOL calls for. Last year with the Knicks, Stat was often that stretch 4, and he bombed in that role.

      This year, he’s hardly taking 10-15 footers at all.

    31. massive

      Stoudemire has been looking really great on offense recently (obviously). I really don’t know if there is a more dominant off-ball weapon than him in the league, and once you figure in his newfound post game, you have a truly special offensive talent.

      I really like our chances against any team in the Eastern Conference other than Chicago. Chicago is the only team in the conference with strengths that match up with our weaknesses. They can stop our P&R, Derrick Rose will score 45 a night on Felton, and Deng is good enough on both ends to really make Melo work. Hopefully they really are just a team playing with playoff intensity and when everyone else turns it on, they’ll be average. But I really don’t like the thought of Felton on Rose for a series. I would hope Shump gets that task.

      That said, I’m really not afraid of Miami. Chris Bosh can’t stop a P&R and we don’t turn the ball over. As long as we can drop that eFG%, I think we can make them sweat.

    32. BigBlueAL

      JK47:
      Yeah, D’Antoni never was good at utilizing Amar’e. Dunno how Amar’e had so many good seasons in Phoenix….

      Well, yeah, in Phoenix he had the ideal personnel to run his system, and still, Stat’s game was not so heavily reliant on the mid-range jumper.In his last season with the Suns, 70% of Stat’s shot attempts came from 9 feet or shorter.Stat of course mostly played C under D’Antoni while somebody else like Channing Frye was playing the stretch 4 that SSOL calls for.Last year with the Knicks, Stat was often that stretch 4, and he bombed in that role.

      This year, he’s hardly taking 10-15 footers at all.

      Amar’e wasnt close to being healthy at the beginning of last season. Plus it didnt help that TD and Bibby were the PG’s. Once Lin started to play Amar’e was out for many of the games so he never was able to benefit from playing with him. You could see towards the end of the season he was getting healthy again and his shooting numbers proved it.

      Just curious, where were his FGA’s coming from during his 1st season in NY?? He really struggled at the beginning and we used to complain alot about his shot selection but then he and Felton started getting some good chemistry together and of course Amar’e went on that 30+ pts game streak.

    33. ruruland

      JK47:

      The problem was never that Melo, Stat and Chandler couldn’t play well together, the problem was that Mike D’Antoni didn’t have enough sense to realize that Amar’e Stoudemire shooting 15 foot jumpers is a poor percentage play, even if the shot clock has been running for less than seven seconds.

      Right, that’s part of it naturally. The Lakers have had their most success under MDA since they ditched his offense and allowed Kobe to freelance and Gasol/Howard to touch the ball in the post.

      But Amar’e was actually quite effective as a weakside-flash-to-the-elbow 4 when the Suns ran middle pnr with a center or another player, they’d even run it with Grant Hill and a few other guys you wouldn’t imagine being effective as the dive guy.
      If you go to Synergy and watch the cut plays Amar’e was involved you’d see how effective he was in that role.

      The middle screen and role was broken much of last year prior to Lin and a lesser extent Davis, even though Melo was quite effective in that play he didn’t consistently attack the paint and more often looked to score than drive and dish.

      Obviously, the post moves Amar’e has acquired change the Knicks ceiling, but his increased effectiveness is in part the result of penetration and quality passing out of high pnr from a variety of guys.

      The great thing about all of this is that these post moves make Amar’e perhaps the second most versatile interior scorer in the league behind Duncan, and he’ll surely be far more effective than Duncan.

      Teams will likely start adjusting by either playing bigger guys on Amar’e or double-teaming him every time he touches it.

      If it’s the former, Amar’e still has far superior quickness and the shoulder width and strength to bounce off those big guys in isolation.

      Let’s remember, Amar’e should still be a dynamic isolation player in…

    34. JK47

      In his first season, about 60% of his shots came from 9 feet or closer, similar to last year’s number. He was much better at knocking down the midrange J in that first season; he shot .458 on FGA from 16 feet to the 3-point line. Last year he shot .376 from that distance.

      At any rate, the way the Knicks are utilizing Stat this year has been working out great. He’s scoring on an impressive variety of dunks, hook shots and layups, and he’s been great at getting to the line– 8.1 FT/36 on a team that does not play at a blinding pace. He’s still missing his midrange jumpers when he takes them (small sample size caveat) but it doesn’t matter much when 80% of your shots come in the paint.

      The Melo/Stat/Chandler frontcourt isn’t just playing okay together– they’ve been very difficult to stop. When those three have been on the floor together the offense has averaged 1.20 PPP. Pretty amazing.

    35. ruruland

      Highlights from last night:

      that reverse pivot power dribble spin is going to be pretty much unstoppable against guys that are in his size range.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9hqQTu3j2c

      At :34 seconds we see the double screen and roll. Amar’e floats in a mini-hook, the kind of shot Chandler can’t make in that play….

      Woodson ran a quadruple screen last night, really fun.

      But that Tyson/Amar’e screen should be devastating moving forward because Chandler is clearing that big out. If two bigs come to either Chandler or Amar’e, it’s hand-off for a dunk.

      You’ll notice that three of Amar’es inside finishes came with Chandler in the paint.

    36. flossy

      One thing the Knicks and Amar’e will need to work on is how to respond when teams try to front him in the post and deny him the ball in the first place. Orlando tried (and mostly sucked at it), but a better defensive team will definitely look to do that before they commit regular doubles.

    37. Frank

      ruruland: The great thing about all of this is that these post moves make Amar’e perhaps the second most versatile interior scorer in the league behind Duncan, and he’ll surely be far more effective than Duncan.

      The amazing thing about Amare is how good he looks after one off-season’s worth of work on his post game. I’m really happy he barely ever goes iso now (<5% of possessions if I remember correctly) but his assortment of baby hooks and spins will serve him very well there also — I remember being really frustrated watching him drive to the basket and have to flip up a contested runner after taking the ball into the defender's chest — when he was 24 that worked, but he seemed to get a lot of those blocked last year. This year rather than taking that crappy shot, if the guy cuts off his drive, he can transition into a post move.

      The thing that is impressive about Amare's post game right now is how easy it looks for him to get very deep position. As JK47 noted above, nearly 80% of his shots are within 9 feet of the basket. Some of those are basket cuts etc. but many of those are him finding/getting great position and finishing off a bunny. I can't say enough about how happily surprised I am with STAT.

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