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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jan 24 2013)

  • [New York Times] Jazz Escape Wizards Comeback Bid in Narrow Win (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:07:23 GMT)
    The Utah Jazz nearly squandered a 21-point lead but recovered in time to hold off the rejuvenated Washington Wizards 92-88 on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Curry, Lee Lead Warriors Past Thunder 104-99 (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 07:22:20 GMT)
    Stephen Curry banked in an off-balance shot while getting fouled by Russell Westbrook to start a three-point play, falling to his knees and shaking his shoulders to the sellout crowd.

  • [New York Times] Suns Beat Kings 106-96 in 1st Game Under Hunter (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:58:27 GMT)
    Luis Scola scored 21 points and the Phoenix Suns won their first game under new coach Lindsey Hunter, beating the Sacramento Kings 106-96 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Aldridge Has 27 and Blazers Beat Pacers 100-80 (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:40:16 GMT)
    LaMarcus Aldridge scored 27 points and the Portland Trail Blazers beat the Indiana Pacers 100-80 on Wednesday night to snap a six-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Nets 91, Timberwolves 83: Brook Lopez of Nets Continues All-Star-Caliber Season in Win (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:29:38 GMT)
    Brook Lopez scored 22 points as the Nets, although winning for the 12th time in 14 games under P. J. Carlesimo, had a much tougher time than they should have against the undermanned Timberwolves.

  • [New York Times] Millsap Helps Jazz Hold Off Wizards 92-88 (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:16:38 GMT)
    Paul Millsap had 16 points and 15 rebounds to help the Utah Jazz hold off the Washington Wizards 92-88 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Millsap Helps Jazz Hold Off Wizards 92-88 (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:13:53 GMT)
    Paul Millsap had 16 points and 15 rebounds to help the Utah Jazz hold off the Washington Wizards 92-88 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Win 106-93, Lakers Lose 4th Straight (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:07:34 GMT)
    A team meeting didn’t help stop the losing, and this season just keeps spinning away from the Lakers.

  • [New York Times] Howard Hurts Shoulder Again, Lakers’ Nightmare Continues (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:40:08 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Lakers’ crumbling season suffered a new setback on Wednesday as center Dwight Howard aggravated a shoulder injury in the team’s blowout loss to Memphis.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Beat Hornets Without Duncan, Popovich (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:22:29 GMT)
    Tony Parker had 24 points and 13 assists, and the San Antonio Spurs rallied for a 106-102 victory over the New Orleans Hornets on Wednesday night, overcoming the absence of Tim Duncan and coach Gregg Popovich for their 15th straight win at home.

  • [New York Times] Robinson Rallies Bulls Past Pistons 85-82 (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:58:19 GMT)
    Nate Robinson had 11 points and seven assists in 21 minutes off the bench, leading a furious fourth-quarter comeback that carried the Chicago Bulls past the Detroit Pistons 85-82 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Royce White and Rockets Reach Deal on Mental Health Care (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:48:36 GMT)
    Royce White and the Rockets apparently reached an agreement over White’s mental health care, paving the way for him to play in the Development League.

  • [New York Times] Lawson, Chandler Lead Nuggets Past Rockets (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:43:39 GMT)
    Ty Lawson scored 21 points, Wilson Chandler had 20 and the Denver Nuggets pulled away in the third quarter of a 105-95 victory over the mistake-prone Houston Rockets on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Lopez Leads Nets Past Timberwolves 91-83 (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:41:02 GMT)
    Brook Lopez strengthened his push for a spot on the All-Star team with 22 points on 10-for-16 shooting, helping the Brooklyn Nets hold off the Minnesota Timberwolves 91-83 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Wade, James Carry Heat Past Raptors in OT, 123-116 (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:37:23 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade scored 35 points, LeBron James got his 34th career triple-double and the Miami Heat rallied from a 15-point deficit to beat the Toronto Raptors 123-116 in overtime on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Carmelo Anthony Shoots More as Knicks Win Less (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:22:12 GMT)
    Coach Mike Woodson said he was not concerned about the increasing number of shots Carmelo Anthony is taking â?? 25.5 per game in January.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: A Howard Trade Rumor? The Nets’ Lopez Has Heard It All Before (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 02:54:08 GMT)
    Brook Lopez, who was averaging 18.5 points and 7.4 rebounds coming into Wednesday, has been linked to a trade for Dwight Howard since December 2011.

  • [New York Times] Smith Scores 30, Leads Hawks Over Bobcats 104-92 (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 02:43:20 GMT)
    Josh Smith had 30 points and 13 rebounds, and the Atlanta Hawks snapped a six-game road losing streak with a 104-92 win Wednesday night over the Charlotte Bobcats.

  • [New York Times] Howard Out vs Memphis After Aggravating Shoulder (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 02:37:33 GMT)
    Lakers center Dwight Howard has aggravated his right shoulder injury against the Memphis Grizzlies and is out for the second half.

  • [New York Times] Kevin Garnett Is an Unpredictable Force for the Celtics (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 02:15:41 GMT)
    Whether you’ve played on his team or against it, the Celtics’ Kevin Garnett has always come across as a little stranger than the average professional basketball player.

  • [New York Post] Carmelo, Knicks say KG dustup in the past (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:32:37 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? Will Kevin Garnett cross the La La line again tonight?
    A Knicks-Celtics matchup usually is a nasty affair, and it never will taste as bitter as tonight’s meeting. Carmelo Anthony invades the TD Garden for Round 2 against Garnett, the Celtics and 18,624 rowdy Boston fans.
    Anthony…

  • [New York Post] Anthony should not expect Melo reception from Boston fans (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:01:51 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? The inconsistent Celtics seemingly have 99 problems, and the Knicks are just one.
    Knicks All-Star Carmelo Anthony, on the other hand, might find 18,624 problems tonight.
    The Knicks will face the Celtics at TD Garden (capacity 18,624) in the first meeting of the teams since the infamous…

  • [New York Post] Kidd may land on bench (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 02:37:07 -0500)
    BOSTON â?? Jason Kidd may be headed soon to the bench â?? as was the plan when he signed as a free agent.
    Starting point guard Raymond Felton likely returns Saturday, and coach Mike Woodson said his long-term goal is to have Kidd come off the bench. For now, Woodson could start…

  • [New York Post] Knicks must resist taking easy bait (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:40:01 -0500)
    Earlier this season, we admired a certain toughness the Knicks displayed. They weren’t the insecure bunch we had seen around here for the last decade, flinching whenever anyone said, “Boo.â?
    Mentally tough teams such as the Celtics, Spurs, Lakers and Heat normally didn’t need to do much to…

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks overtake Lakers as NBA’s most valuable team (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:00:08 GMT)
    The Knicks have zoomed past the Lakers as the NBA’s most valuable franchise, according to Forbes. The magazine’s annual report ranking all NBA teams cited the ongoing renovation of Madison Square Garden and improved television ratings and merchandise sales as reasons for a 41% increase in the Knicks’ valuation from this time last year â?? from $780 million to $1.1 billion.

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Win in Boston would speak volumes for Knicks, Melo (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:00:02 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony can talk all he wants about moving on because he thinks that’s what people want to hear a bout his feud with Kevin Garnett. But the only way he can get some real closure with Garnett and what happened 17 days ago at the Garden is to hang a big number on the Celtic great while also getting the Knicks a much-needed win.

  • [New York Daily News] Rematch with Celtics, KG not eating at Melo (Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:42:28 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony remains calm and resistant toward taking any bait, which is exactly what the Knicks want to see from him Thursday night in Boston.

  • 62 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jan 24 2013)

    1. Hubert Davis

      I know this game tonight means nothing in the long run, but as a fan I want it so much.

      I hate that team. They’re on a four game losing streak. They punked us in our house. We don’t need to win tonight but it sure feels like we do.

      In a podcast after the Cheerios incident Bill Simmons told Jalen Rose that he thinks all the Celtics have left is their mastery over the Knicks and they will fight like wounded animals to preserve that. Once they lose that, they’re nothing. I want to see Carmelo take that away from them tonight.

    2. Brian Cronin

      Definitely. This win will feel soooo good. What sucks is that I’m actually having a wisdom tooth pulled today and the only time the oral surgeon at this practice works is from 6pm to 10pm so my appointment is at 8pm! I’ll miss the whole game (and I’ll be too doped up to appreciate the highlights later on).

    3. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Hubert Davis: In a podcast after the Cheerios incident Bill Simmons told Jalen Rose that he thinks all the Celtics have left is their mastery over the Knicks and they will fight like wounded animals to preserve that. Once they lose that, they’re nothing. I want to see Carmelo take that away from them tonight.

      The nice part about being a sports “analyst” is that you can make shit up, conjecture wildly, and be wrong 100% of the time… and still keep your job.

    4. ephus

      During the off-season, I was shocked that Brook Lopez was able to get a max contract from the Nets. Looks like I was wrong. He is giving TC and Noah a run for the ASG spot.

    5. Brian Cronin

      I am surprised by his high level of play, as well, but I don’t think we should ever be surprised at even decent young centers getting MAX deals nowadays, ya know?

    6. Hubert Davis

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: The nice part about being a sports “analyst” is that you can make shit up, conjecture wildly, and be wrong 100% of the time… and still keep your job.

      You’re right, but in that particular instance I think he is fairly representing Celtic fans. Paul Pierce and KG aren’t thinking that crap, but I think the three idiots from Boston in my office probably are; and I’d like to see them have nothing to root for.

    7. ephus

      I think Simmons is more right than THCJ gives him credit for, because I believe that the Celtics FO (where Simmons has contacts) are itching to blow up this team if they cannot contend. Doc Rivers threatened that people would be leaving soon if the effort did not pick up. Paul Pierce, they are looking at you.

    8. Brian Cronin

      Where would Pierce be a good fit? I mean, obviously he can play anywhere, but where would he especially fit in well? Is it too soon for Utah to deal for a vet? They’re going to lose MIllsap, so it might not be a good idea for them to pick up another vet. But who else? Denver could work.

    9. ess-dog

      Brian Cronin:
      I am surprised by his high level of play, as well, but I don’t think we should ever be surprised at even decent young centers getting MAX deals nowadays, ya know?

      He still can’t rebound worth a damn. Of course, with Evans and Humphries around, there aren’t many rebounds left to grab.

      Warriors look damn good all of a sudden. Would they be a contender with Pierce?

    10. Brian Cronin

      I was thinking them, as well, but I think Barnes has been surprisingly good for them and also a bit of a key to their defense, so I don’t know if Pierce really fits there.

    11. ephus

      I would not be surprised to see Pierce get the Walt Frazier-ticket to Cleveland, which has a lot of picks in the next draft (although if the Lakers miss the playoffs, they lose out on that one).

    12. Brian Cronin

      Could be a top 5 protected pick from Cleveland.

      Yeah, I could see that working. It is reasonable for Boston to go from #3 in the 2012 draft to #6-8 in next year’s draft in exchange for making the Eastern Conference Finals. That’s a fine trade-off (speaking in regards to Boston’s decision to not trade Pierce for the Nets’ first rounder last season).

    13. Hubert Davis

      ephus: Hell is not available, but Cleveland is.Fitting reward for our friend.

      Fair enough.

      What about San Antonio? Boston gets Danny Green & DeJuan Blair (plus Stephen Jackson’s expiring) and San Antonio soups up their title chances in the last years of the Duncan era.

    14. Brian Cronin

      I don’t see how the Celtics can trade Pierce for anything but a top 10 lottery pick. If you are going to compete, stick with Pierce. If you’re not, you want to rebuild and you need a lotto pick for that.

    15. Hubert Davis

      Or do they have to throw include Kawhi Leonard to make that attractive enough? I have no idea what the trade value of Green and Blair are, though I think they are nice players.

    16. thenamestsam

      Hubert Davis: Fair enough.

      What about San Antonio?Boston gets Danny Green & DeJuan Blair (plus Stephen Jackson’s expiring) and San Antonio soups up their title chances in the last years of the Duncan era.

      Don’t think that’s enough from Boston’s perspective. I think having Pierce retire a Celtic holds enough sentimental value that they’d have to get someone who they can point to as a long term building block in return. I like Green but he’s more of a role player. Not a bad suggestion but I think they’d need more to justify it to themselves.

      I heard someone mention Memphis and I thought that made some sense. Gay for Pierce as an outline allows Memphis to swing for the fences this year as Pierce would provide floor spacing and a go-to crunch-time scorer that they desperately need if they want to make a serious run at the Spurs-Clips-Thunder group. For Boston Gay has his warts, but he’s younger and I think they could sell their fanbase on him as something of a building block going forward.

    17. dogrufus

      Another sure loss tonight.

      Rondo will get a triple double and Pierce will make every tough contested shot down the stretch. Melo will have a poor shooting night and Amare will get 2 rebounds or less.

      Sooner or later the good feelings from the first 20 games will wear off and people will realize we haven’t won a home game against a non-shit team for about a month.

    18. thenamestsam

      Brian Cronin:
      I don’t see how the Celtics can trade Pierce for anything but a top 10 lottery pick. If you are going to compete, stick with Pierce. If you’re not, you want to rebuild and you need a lotto pick for that.

      Not sure I agree with this. Even if they trade Pierce they’re still left with a veteran-laden roster that looks like a fringe-y playoff contender. Rondo-Bradley-Terry-Green-KG-Bass-Sullinger isn’t really a good base at all from which to go about rebuilding unless you make another couple trades to turn Terry, Bass, and KG into whatever you can get for them. I think it makes more sense for them to try to get younger while maintaining a playoff level team.

    19. Hubert Davis

      Actually, that probably makes San Antonio kind of unbalanced. Pierce & Ginobli’s skills overlap a lot. Never mind.

    20. thenamestsam

      Hubert Davis:
      Kawhi Leonard, DeJuan Blair & Stephen Jackson’s expiring for Pierce?

      Leonard alone is more than they would give up for Pierce I think. He’s really, really good and a crucial part both of what they do now and where they’re headed post-Duncan. I think he’s pretty close to untouchable unless it was part of a true blockbuster.

      Brian Cronin:
      Sorry, I figured that if Boston traded Pierce then it would be part of a larger fire sale.

      Ah, okay. I think that’s one route for them to go, but I think if they do decide to go that way it makes sense to send out Rondo as well. He’s basically the polar opposite of the kind of vet I’d want on my rebuilding team. Moody, tough teammate, doesn’t always play hard on a night to night basis, doesn’t handle frustration well. If they do go that way I think they should send out Rondo as well, but I’m not sure his trade value is all that great right now.

    21. mr.JayP

      You guys are nuts. Ainge won’t trade Pierce. He’s been there through the up’s n downs. I’m sure him n Garnett want to retire a Celtic. And if anyone is owed anything, it’s Pierce.

      And if Ainge plays it right. Why not have a pierce or Garnett come off the bench when u retool the team? What’s their contract situation.

      Knicks win tonight only if they play D and move the ball. I’m not confident that they can do both of those at the same time against good teams anymore.

    22. Brian Cronin

      The Celtics reportedly offered Pierce for the Nets’ draft pick last season and apparently it was the Nets that turned the deal down, deciding that Gerald Wallace made more sense for some bizarre reason. If they were willing to deal Pierce last season they’ve certainly got to be willing to trade him this year.

    23. ess-dog

      yeah i think their best route is to trade rondo. the question is, do you move him now for great vet and try for another shot or two at a ring, or do you wait til the end of the year and move him for a top-2 draft pick?

    24. Count de Pennies

      dogrufus:
      Another sure loss tonight.

      Rondo will get a triple double and Pierce will make every tough contested shot down the stretch.Melo will have a poor shooting night and Amare will get 2 rebounds or less.

      Sooner or later the good feelings from the first 20 games will wear off and people will realize we haven’t won a home game against a non-shit team for about a month.

      Don’t send me no doctor
      Fill me up with all a those pills
      I got me a man named Doctor Feelgood
      Yeah! Yeah!
      That man takes care of all my pains and ills

    25. thenamestsam

      ess-dog:
      yeah i think their best route is to trade rondo.the question is, do you move him now for great vet and try for another shot or two at a ring, or do you wait til the end of the year and move him for a top-2 draft pick?

      I’m not sure they could get a top-2 pick for him, even in what is supposed to be a weak draft. I think Rondo’s trade value has waned a little bit. All-star caliber player, but I think this year has made clear that you’re not headed much of anywhere if he’s your best player. He needs other good offensive weapons to work with or he doesn’t bring much to the table since he won’t look to score, and defensively he’s certainly not what he was. The effort just isn’t there consistently.

      Throw in the clear attitude problems, etc. and I wouldn’t want to trade for him unless I was in a pretty solid situation already. Veteran core who I thought was one player away, quality coach, etc. Not sure it’ll be simple to move him.

    26. mr.JayP

      Rondo is arguably the 2nd best PG in the league. It makes very little sense to trade him for a draft pick.

      The future for the C’s is rebuilding around him into a faster paced offensive oriented team.

    27. thenamestsam

      mr.JayP:
      Rondo is arguably the 2nd best PG in the league. It makes very little sense to trade him for a draft pick.

      Wow, I would love to hear someone try to make that argument at this point. I think that ship has sailed big time. CP3, Westbrook, Parker, and Irving are all WAY, WAY better than him. He’s not close to being in that group to my mind.

    28. ess-dog

      It’s risky, but a move like Cousins and Jimmer for Rondo could make sense for the Celts and Seattle.

    29. max fisher-cohen

      Pierce is really really good, but he’s old, so no rebuilding team is going to want to pick him up. They want pieces that have longer term value. Cleveland, Orlando… even middling young teams like Portland probably wouldn’t want Pierce. You’re looking at a very small group of teams that might be in the market for a star veteran and have disposable picks and youth: Denver and OKC have a number of extra picks and Minnesota could dangle Derrick Williams and picks.

      then there are a couple wild card teams, the most intriguing of which to me would be the Clippers. They could offer Bledsoe, Trey Thompkins, Deandre Jordan and 1-2 of their late first rounders. That trade IMO would immediately make them title favorites. Boston probably could get better offers, but you never know, and there’s definitely an incentive if you’re going to trade a franchise cornerstone to send him somewhere he’ll be happy, and somewhere you won’t have to play against him much. LAC fulfills both of those.

      San Antonio has to be the other wild card with Leonard, but their history suggests they commit to their young guys. Parker especially came in real young and in the middle of S.A.’s best years. They could have sold him for a more polished vet, but they didn’t.

      Anyway, I’m far from counting Boston out. They were indifferent the first 2/3s of last season as well and then killed it the last two months. I would not be surprised if the same thing happened this year.

    30. KnickfaninNJ

      Despite his past performances and Knick killer history, currently Paul Peirce is a 35 year old forward who has a 52% TS average this year and who has reasonable scoring totals because he plays 33 minutes a game. He probably gets that many minutes because he’s on a currently mediocre team that doesn’t have someone better. Teams that are hoping to rebuild will be uninterested in such a player. Teams that need a final piece to come off the bench or fill a shooting role won’t want to give too much for him. The trade proposals above are too optimistic about what he would fetch in a trade. Teams are more likely to ask Boston to include draft picks with him than to give high draft picks for him.

    31. JK47

      They could offer Bledsoe, Trey Thompkins, Deandre Jordan and 1-2 of their late first rounders.

      No way I do this trade if I’m the Clippers. They’re already a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense, and they’re incredibly deep and balanced. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I guess Paul Pierce would be an upgrade over Caron Butler but not at the expense of weakening the frontcourt and PG positions.

    32. flossy

      JK47:
      They could offer Bledsoe, Trey Thompkins, Deandre Jordan and 1-2 of their late first rounders.

      No way I do this trade if I’m the Clippers.They’re already a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense, and they’re incredibly deep and balanced.If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.I guess Paul Pierce would be an upgrade over Caron Butler but not at the expense of weakening the frontcourt and PG positions.

      Yeah, and no way I give up Bledsoe with Paul’s knees acting up (though it’s not like the Clips would stay in contention without a healthy Chris Paul [and adding Paul Pierce doesn't change that fact]).

    33. flossy

      I hope the Celtics trade Pierce for Gay or something like that, so they can keep treading water as a not-quite-good-enough team until Rondo becomes a free agent right as the Knicks have some cap space again. I think a Rondo/Melo/Chandler core in 2015 would be pretty nice.

    34. flossy

      flossy:
      I hope the Celtics trade Pierce for Gay or something like that, so they can keep treading water as a not-quite-good-enough team until Rondo becomes a free agent right as the Knicks have some cap space again.I think a Rondo/Melo/Chandler core in 2015 would be pretty nice.

      Sorry, Rondo/Shumpert/Melo/Chandler

    35. Douglas

      Ever since ruru brought it up a week or two ago I’ve been drooling over the prospect of signing Rondo. I just really like his wizardry with the ball.

      Kyrie Irving is also a free agent in 2015.

    36. ruruland

      One way or another, the Knicks will have a chance to build one hell of a basketball team around Melo/Chandler, assuming, of course, they are both extended.

      Kevin Love?

      Kahwi Leonard?

      Klay Thomspn

    37. ruruland

      One way or another, the Knicks will have a chance to build one hell of a basketball team around Melo/Chandler, assuming, of course, they are both extended.

      Kevin Love?

      Kahwi Leonard (How good could he be in two years)?

      Klay Thompson or Eric Gordon?

      There will be some great options for a third max guy, just in the free agent pool.

      http://www.hoopsworld.com/2015-nba-free-agents/

    38. massive

      Maybe Boston will trade Pierce and have their own version of the Ewing Curse. They can even hire Dominique Wilkins to ruin their franchise the way we hired Zeke. That would be fun.

    39. Hubert Davis

      ruruland:
      One way or another, the Knicks will have a chance to build one hell of a basketball team around Melo/Chandler, assuming, of course, they are both extended.

      That’s interesting, I never imagined Chandler as a player who we’d want to extend. He would be 33 at the start of the 2015 season, and it would be an old 33. I’ve actually been afraid he would break down by the final year of his contract.

    40. dogrufus

      ruruland:
      One way or another, the Knicks will have a chance to build one hell of a basketball team around Melo/Chandler, assuming, of course, they are both extended.

      Kevin Love?

      Kahwi Leonard (How good could he be in two years)?

      Klay Thompson or Eric Gordon?

      There will be some great options for a third max guy, just in the free agent pool.

      http://www.hoopsworld.com/2015-nba-free-agents/

      You do realize Melo will be going into his age 31 season and Chandler will be going into his age 33 season, right?

      Chandler’s on borrowed time already in light of how healthy he’s been vs. his history since signing here. What are the odds he’s nearly as effective into his mid 30′s when his entire game is based on his superior mobility and athleticism for his size?

    41. flossy

      I assume Chandler would be resigned at a more modest price. I think he could still be an above average center into his mid-30s (witness Marcus Camby, another tall, skinny, injury-prone center, who played starters minutes into his late 30s and was very effective).

      The Knicks may have a chance to draft a developmental prospect at center, and you never know what’s out there on the trade market, but it’s not far-fetched to think that Chandler at 33, 34, 35 (especially if he’s making < $10m) would be a better option at center than whoever the Knicks could get to replace him.

    42. ruruland

      Look at how KG has aged into his mid thirties. Still has great lateral movement. That’s a guy who had a ton more miles than Chandler.

      Theres little reason to expect Tyson to slow down a bunch if he keeps himself in prime shape.

      Melos game should age extremely well, a la a bigger, more explosive Paul Pierce.In fact, I’d suspect the second half of his career will be much better statistically than the first half.

      Third, it wouldn’t surprise me if Melo s extension was below the max, especially if the Knicks don’t win a title by then. Chandler I bet will come in around 10-12.

      Conceivably you could add two max types around them, and set up a 4-5 year run like the Celtics did.

      Unless you’re foolish enough to think you can start completely over and compete with a Durant or Lebron team, you’ve got to do it with 4 guys.

      Its already established what Melo and Chandler can do without any production from a max slot, imagine what they could do with one and a guy like Shumpert hitting his potential and prime.

    43. Hubert Davis

      I’m not even sure Melo doesn’t opt out after next season. He & all those redeem team guys have opt out after 2014.

      Barring a miracle trade, we’re looking at the same team the rest of this year + next. Let’s say we don’t have success in the next two playoffs. Melo’s choices could be:

      1. Opt in, and give it a third try w the same cast (we’ll have 0 roster flexibility, so it will probably be this team 2 years older, w the possibility we lost JR to a crazy offer along the way).

      2. Go to Miami and replace Wade.

      3. Go to LA w LeBron, possibly to team up w a dominant-again Howard.

      It’s no slam dunk he opts in. I hope you stay with us either way, Ruru.

    44. ruruland

      Hubert Davis:
      I’m not even sure Melo doesn’t opt out after next season.He & all those redeem team guys have opt out after 2014.

      Barring a miracle trade, we’re looking at the same team the rest of this year + next.Let’s say we don’t have success in the next two playoffs. Melo’s choices could be:

      1. Opt in, and give it a third try w the same cast (we’ll have 0 roster flexibility, so it will probably be this team 2 years older, w the possibility we lost JR to a crazy offer along the way).

      2. Go to Miami and replace Wade.

      3. Go to LA w LeBron, possibly to team up w a dominant-again Howard.

      It’s no slam dunk he opts in.I hope you stay with us either way, Ruru.

      Haha. Thanks. I’ll be around.

      But there is no way Melo leaves New York on his own volition. I say that for a lot of reasons.

    45. flossy

      Hubert Davis:
      I’m not even sure Melo doesn’t opt out after next season.He & all those redeem team guys have opt out after 2014.

      Barring a miracle trade, we’re looking at the same team the rest of this year + next.Let’s say we don’t have success in the next two playoffs. Melo’s choices could be:

      1. Opt in, and give it a third try w the same cast (we’ll have 0 roster flexibility, so it will probably be this team 2 years older, w the possibility we lost JR to a crazy offer along the way).

      2. Go to Miami and replace Wade.

      3. Go to LA w LeBron, possibly to team up w a dominant-again Howard.

      It’s no slam dunk he opts in.I hope you stay with us either way, Ruru.

      I guess anything’s possible, but those scenarios all seem INCREDIBLY far-fetched.

    46. Hubert Davis

      He & LeBron are best friends & Wade is likely to be broken down by then. I don’t think it’s far fetched at all to think that a year & a half from now Melo may be called upon to step in for Wade in Miami. I think the most far fetched part was the notion that Howard would be dominant again!

    47. Brian Cronin

      Whether Pierce is worth a top ten lottery pick is certainly debatable, but I think that that definitely is what his going rate is right now. Proven winner and all that good stuff.

    48. Z

      2 things:

      1) didn’t pierce give Boston a “hometown discount” with his last contract? Doesn’t that come with an implicit “no trade to Cleveland” clause, considering the gm he signed it with is still there?

      2) Jim, either you’re now in the spamming business or your email has been compromised, FYI :)

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