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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jan 12 2012)

  • [New York Post] Sign of respect: Collins big fan of Chandler (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 05:18:17 -0500)
    You can’t blame Sixers coach Doug Collins if he has nightmares whenever he sees 7-foot-1 center Tyson Chandler. During the Chandler draft in 2001, Collins coached the Wizards for Michael Jordan, had the No. 1 pick and selected â?? Kwame Brown.So he wasn’t thrilled when he found out…

  • [New York Post] Knicks beat Sixers for fourth straight win (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 05:17:36 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony said he is on a “personal vendetta” to erase the Knicks’ identity as a club that can’t play defense. Anthony heard it all offseason after the four-game playoff sweep to Boston and doesn’t want to hear it again.
    This season, the Knicks’ image is changing fast…

  • [New York Post] Shumpert, like Fields once did, giving fans reason to cheer (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:33:49 -0500)
    All he has to do is turn his head to the right, look at the locker stall right next door, to see how fickle the title can be. Iman Shumpert is the darling of Madison Square Garden right now, a pied piper with fewer than 10 NBA games to his…

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks stop red-hot Sixers 85-79 at Garden (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:17:02 GMT)
    After defeating the Sixers in the Garden Wednesday night, the Knicks ought to send a thank-you note to the NBA schedule-maker. There’s nothing like getting to host a red-hot team that is playing a third straight night.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Melo: Legs are 'better' (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:13:06 EDT)
    Carmelo Anthony complained to a trainer on Monday about playing with ‘heavy’ legs. He said after Wednesday’s win over Philadelphia that his legs felt “better” but they still weren’t at 100%.
    The Knicks play in Memphis on Thursday and then travel to Oklahoma City on Saturday.
    Anthony suffered an injury to his right side last Friday against Washington. He spent the day on Sunday getting treatment for the injury.
    He is averaging 35 minutes per game, an number that is skewered a bit because he sat out of the fourth quarter of the Knicks’ blowout win over Detroit on Saturday.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Melo: I have a 'vendetta' against Boston (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:32:39 EDT)
    The Knicks’ first-round loss to Boston last spring still stings Carmelo Anthony.
    “I think that’s in the back of our minds,” Anthony said of the Celtics 4-0 sweep of the Knicks in the 2010 postseason. “For me personally, I was on a personal vendetta because I get tired of hearing it. We get tired of hearing it.”
    The Knicks allowed the Celtics to score an average of 107 points per game in two playoff games at Madison Square Garden last spring. Boston beat the Knicks’ soundly in the final two games of series, winning by an average of 19.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Don't mess with 'Melo The Menace' (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:16:09 EDT)
    Carmelo Anthony has been fully aware of the criticism since he joined the Knicks. He’s a ball stopper. He doesn’t pass the rock. He’s not a good defensive player.
    As Anthony said after the Knicks’ 85-79 victory over the Sixers Wednesday night, he takes all knocks as a “personal vendetta.” Before Melo can speak, the stats show that since the Knicks acquired him last February, he hasn’t had much of an effect on the team in terms of quality. In other words, based on record, points allowed, points scored and field goal percentage, the Knicks, so far, are basically the same team as they were prior to Anthony’s arrival, going from two games above .

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Knicks deliver on D …. again (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:02:22 EDT)
    Raise your hand if you thought the Knicks would be winning games on the defensive end early this season.
    If you have your hand up, chances are you just woke up from a coma that was induced in the late 1990s.
    Because, even with Tyson Chandler in tow, most fans expected Mike D’Antoni’s Knicks to be outscoring their opponents early in the year — not stifling them on the defensive end.
    But that’s exactly what’s happened this week.
    Granted, the Knicks were playing two teams at the tail end of brutal stretch of schedule on Monday and Wednesday, but they used strong defense late in both games to walk away with wins over the Bobcats and 76ers, respectively.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Shumpert experiences growing pains in Knicks win (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:01:07 EDT)
    NEW YORK – Iman Shumpert has been everything that the Knicks needed since he rejoined the team five games ago. The rookie penetrates, he pressures defenders and he provides enough energy on the court that Carmelo Anthony said the team is feeding off of him.
    But there will be growing pains and New York saw a few Wednesday night. Shumpert turned in another solid statline: 10 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists and 2 steals. But the Knicks newest fan favorite also committed four turnovers.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Harrellson lifts Knicks' ailing bench (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:12:26 EDT)
    Reporters asked Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni what his goals were for his bench after they posted just three points against Charlotte on Monday night.
    “Tonight we’re going for five,” he laughed.
    Josh Harrellson checked into the game with 4:48 left in the first quarter, and it took him all of 45 seconds to bring truth to D’Antoni’s prediction and make the coach’s sarcasm even more comical. Harrellson first nailed an open jumper and then sank a 3-pointer when Philadelphia collapsed on Carmelo Anthony in the paint.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 85, 76ers 79: Knicks Take Down Division-Leading 76ers (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:39:07 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony had 27 points as the Knicks took advantage of a team playing for the third straight night and the fifth time in six days.

  • [New York Times] For Time Warner Cable and MSG, a Stand-Off With No End in Sight (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:37:25 GMT)
    A dispute between Time Warner Cable and MSG has meant that a number of viewers can’t watch the Knicks, Rangers and Sabres. A resolution does not appear imminent.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Dirk Nowitzki Leads Mavericks Past the Celtics (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:39:07 GMT)
    Dirk Nowitzki scored 16 points and made a go-ahead 3-point-play with 5.1 seconds left as Dallas won at home over Boston.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Handle Heat in Overtime (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:23:50 GMT)
    Chris Paul and the Los Angeles Clippers survived their biggest test of the season with a 95-89 overtime victory over the Miami Heat on Wednesday, proving the home team can stand toe-to-toe with the best of the NBA.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Outlast Heat 95-89 in Overtime (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:36:13 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Clippers couldn’t hit a basket in the final four minutes of regulation. The Miami Heat could barely make free throws. Two tired teams coming off road losses the night before staggered into overtime.

  • [New York Times] Magic Survive Late Rally to Beat Blazers 107-104 (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 05:50:53 GMT)
    Dwight Howard had 13 points and 13 rebounds and the Orlando Magic survived a late rally to hand the Portland Trail Blazers their first loss at home, 107-104 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Bryant Scores 40 Points, Lakers Beat Jazz in OT (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:21:02 GMT)
    Andrew Bynum wasn’t on the court the first time the Los Angeles Lakers faced the Utah Jazz.

  • [New York Times] Gallinari Scores 22 as Nuggets Beat Nets 123-115 (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:53:53 GMT)
    Danilo Gallinari scored 22 points, Arron Afflalo and Corey Brewer each had 19 points and the Denver Nuggets beat the New Jersey Nets 123-115 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Parker Helps Spurs Beat Rockets in Overtime (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:23:54 GMT)
    Tony Parker hit four free throws late in overtime to help the San Antonio Spurs beat the Houston Rockets 101-95 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Dirk Leads Mavs to 90-85 Win Over Boston (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:06:04 GMT)
    Dirk Nowitzki scored 16 points, driving past Kevin Garnett for the go-ahead layup with 5.1 seconds left and leading the Dallas Mavericks to a 90-85 victory over the Boston Celtics on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Durant Leads Thunder Over Hornets, 95-85 (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:09:09 GMT)
    Kevin Durant had 29 points and 10 rebounds and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the New Orleans Hornets 95-85 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Beat 76ers in Atlantic Division Showdown (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:53:50 GMT)
    The New York Knicks won their Atlantic division showdown against Philadelphia 85-79 at Madison Square Garden on Wednesday to claim their fourth successive victory and snap the 76ers’ six-game winning streak.

  • [New York Times] Lucas Leads Bulls Over Wizards (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:33:03 GMT)
    John Lucas III scored a career-high 25 points filling in for injured Derrick Rose and the Chicago Bulls beat the Washington Wizards 78-64 on Wednesday for their third victory in three nights.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Snap 76ers’ 6-Game Winning Streak, 85-79 (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:20:53 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony had 27 points and the nine rebounds, and the New York Knicks snapped the Philadelphia 76ers’ six-game winning streak with an 85-79 victory on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Evans, Cousins Lead Kings Past Raptors (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:56:53 GMT)
    Tyreke Evans scored a season-high 29 points, DeMarcus Cousins had 21 points and a career-high 19 rebounds and the Sacramento Kings snapped a seven-game losing streak in Toronto by beating the Raptors 98-91 Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Granger Leads Pacers Past Hawks (Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:17:56 GMT)
    Danny Granger scored 24 points to break out of a shooting slump in the Indiana Pacers’ 96-84 victory over the Atlanta Hawks on Wednesday night.

  • 61 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jan 12 2012)

    1. Thomas B.

      Shump Shump shooting slump
      eFG% not very plump
      starts the game for the Knicks
      then from 3 goes 0-6

    2. TDM

      Shump looked like a rookie for the first time last night IMO. His drive along the baseline when it was clear there was nowhere to go, was frustrating. A few rookie turnovers and fouls as well. That said, I f’n love our rookies. These guys are fun to watch.

      Sixers really missed the rebounding of Hawes, especially on their 3rd night in a row.

      What’s the story with Bibby – is he still injured or is MDA choosing Toney over him off the bench?

      Some other interesting games last night – Pacers over Hawks and Clips over Heat. Hawks lost Horford last night with a shoulder injury so it’ll be interesting to see how they play without him.

    3. Z-man

      On the plus side, he made some momentum-swinging plays during a critical sequence, and didn’t go out with leg cramps.

      Another good test tonight!

    4. Owen

      Was at the game last night and can report that Carmelo is just as frustrating to watch in person as he is in my mother’s basement. That’s the perfect Melo line, 27 points on 28 possessions with 5 turnovers and a few other turnovers trying to get the ball to him to iso with in the corner….

      Tyson Chandler is a beast and I absolutely love watching him play. Best free agent acquisition I can remember by the Knicks….

    5. d-mar

      Owen:
      Was at the game last night and can report that Carmelo is just as frustrating to watch in person as he is in my mother’s basement. That’s the perfect Melo line, 27 points on 28 possessions with 5 turnovers and a few other turnovers trying to get the ball to him to iso with in the corner….

      Tyson Chandler is a beast and I absolutely love watching him play. Best free agent acquisition I can remember by the Knicks….

      Yup, another awful game by Melo. Ignore the 3 steals, including the one that sealed the game at the end, and ignore his red hot 3rd quarter, which helped build the lead to 17 and allow us a cushion. Would I say he had a great game? No. The entire offense got stagnant in the 4th quarter. But they won and he was a big part of the victory, isn’t that enough?

    6. SeeWhyDee77

      Why is D’Antoni leanin so heavy on his starters an in this shortened season goin with such a small rotation? I know ur best players are supposed to carry you (which they are), and I know the rotation will expand once Jeffries and Davis get healthy. But..2 of our top 3 players have been “injury prone” throughout their careers. Maybe I should re-phrase that..2 of our top 3 have an injury history that is worrisome. If the season started in Nov…I wouldn’t worry as much becuz they would have more time to rest. I know the players on our bench isn’t the best in the world, but when u have another 7 footer on ur team, then Chandler should not be playin 36 minutes a game or more. Also, Balkman has earned a spot in the rotation but he hasn’t been gettin burn lately. I’m just sayin..get ur top guys some rest. 5 minutes a game for Balkman and Jordan won’t hurt. When we were up 13 last nite, where was Bibby. Rey, and Jordan? Use those guys because for better or worse we are goin to need them this season. I’m no coach obviously becuz the Knicks never considered me for the job lol..but when we were up big and Stat was on the bench a lineup of Jorts, Novak, Melo, Walker and Bibby could have increased the lead by knockin down open J’s off of the opportunities that Melo creates. Thus lessening the need to play Chandler and Stat more. Even if it’s for 5 minutes. Or u could replace Novak with Rey if u need more defense out there. I’m just worried about the load our starters are carryin. Melo’s the only one I trust with heavy minutes and even he’s a little banged up. Nevertheless we’re in a good groove defensively and I can’t wait til we get our backcourt sorted. I think Shump’s the starter for good now which problee moves Landry to the bench once Davis is back, which could free us to package Walker and Balkman if Grunny feels so inclined to move them.

    7. PaulStreetBoy

      Was a great win yesterday! hope they can carry this momentum to Memphis for tonight. with or without Hawes, winning against the cheese-stakes make me feel more confident about this team. let’s see if we can do it night in and night out.

      on a different note, as per Hollinger, we had the easiest schedule of the league so far, by far! not to take anything away from the exciting win yesterday, but just saying…

      Go Knicks!

    8. ess-dog

      Let’s see how we respond tonight in the 2nd of a back to back vs. the Grizz. 8 man rotation is pretty tight. You have to figure when Baron and Jeffries get back it will become a 10 man rotation with hopefully a bench of TD, Fields, Walker, Jorts and Jeffries. Not amazing, but it could be worse.

    9. ess-dog

      PaulStreetBoy:

      on a different note, as per Hollinger, we had the easiest schedule of the league so far, by far! not to take anything away from the exciting win yesterday, but just saying…

      Go Knicks!

      Yeah I was just thinking if we’d had a tough early schedule when we were working the kinks out, we could easily be sitting at 3-7 right now.

    10. Garson

      I can understand if the offense is trying to move the ball and it isnt working… but it doesnt even seem like its in the gameplan.

      They went Iso heavy countless times last night that at this point its either the team not following Dantonis gameplan OR the gameplan being iso friendly.

      Either way , not the most entertaining offense to watch night in and night out…. and even less effective.

    11. Nick C.

      @6 As far the minutes go, it seems like every year we have these complains two (or was it 3) years ago it was “he burned out Duhon” last year it was Felton and Stat. I’ve just come to accept that that’s how he is. Even with Phoenix they often were playing maybe two subs and another one or two for cameos.

    12. Frank

      Garson:
      I can understand if the offense is trying to move the ball and it isnt working… but it doesnt even seem like its in the gameplan.

      They went Iso heavy countless times last night that at this point its either the team not following Dantonis gameplan OR the gameplan being iso friendly.

      Either way , not the most entertaining offense to watch night in and night out…. and even less effective.

      well, at least we’ve moved from “the Knicks suck” to “they are not winning in a pretty enough manner for my liking”.

    13. PaulStreetBoy

      ess-dog: Yeah I was just thinking if we’d had a tough early schedule when we were working the kinks out, we could easily be sitting at 3-7 right now.

      i am actually surprised by how bad Boston is doing given their easy – almost as easy as Knicks – schedule. i did not expect them to dominate this year but 4-5 gives me some hope for the division now that we showed we can stop Philly.

    14. Garson

      Frank: well, at least we’ve moved from “the Knicks suck” to “they are not winning in a pretty enough manner for my liking”.

      Agreed… But can we keep on winning like this?? i would love to see stats on when melo catches and shoots off a swing pass .. i feel like hes money on those shots.

    15. jon abbey

      xduckshoex:
      The Knicks are currently the 7th best defensive team in the NBA.

      no, they’ve played a lot of crappy teams, no matter what the numbers say.

      honestly, we know so little about this team so far, no idea why everyone always feels compelled to jump to conclusions so quickly.

    16. Juany8

      Part of the reason we have so many melo iso’s is because he’s the only person on our team who can reliably dribble and be a playmaker. Shump has shown flashes, but basically there is no one on this team that is capable of getting Melo an easy shot. It’s the Derrick Rose situation from last year, when only one person on a team is even capable of being a playmaker, you’re going to see a lot of iso’s for that person.

    17. PC

      Everyone complains about ISOs and rightfully so. But you have to put a ton of the blame on the 4 guys on the court staring at Melo.

      For example, if Stat simply turns around and goes and sets an off-the ball screen on Field’s guy, Fields can cut to the basket. He would be in a great rebounding position and Melo may hit him if he is open. That sounds pretty simple.

      Even if the coaches aren’t drilling this into their heads, it is basic high school basketball. When you are just standing around – you cut or go set a screeen to promote motion.

      Imagine if Chandler set a screen for Stat, then Melo would likely have to give it up and Chandler can then cut or Stat can pop a small jumper.

      Everyone just stares at Melo and they give the defense a break and really make the basketball tough to watch. That’s why we love Shump so much, because he is one of the few players we get to watch run/jog with the basketball dribbling in front of him.

    18. jon abbey

      Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): You mean like “I’m not worried about Fields, I’m convinced he’s awful”?

      again, not based solely on this season, which is why I’m still not writing off Douglas, who has been at least as bad.

      what we know about individual players is an ongoing thing, including track record, age, and collective level of play. what we know about a team is as a whole, and our PG hasn’t even dressed yet.

    19. D.

      OK so u guys are still talking about last night. How come no one is talking about tonight? anyways as ugly as it was, almost all the games last night were ugly. Did u see how the Heat missed free throws, are u kidding me. I agree with guys saying melo is doing too much and needs to be given a chance to get easy buckets. He is like my wife, the mother in the family. She does everything but often no one does anything nice for her. That’s how it’s been in La with Kobe, and kudos yo Stern for keeping it that way. Back to the Knicks, I’m really excited about tonight’s game. A bit of bad blood from last years game winner, should be interesting. Plus Memphis is deep and also have a very balanced froncourt as well as back court. I think this is a perfect matchup. Melo has his defensive work cut out for him 2 nights in a row and then on to the guy I think is his number one rival other than LBJ, the Duranchilla. Some say he’s the best scorer in the league and others said Melo is. I seriously can’t wait. Let’s see how the Knicks fair tonight and all those complaining about the ugly game last night, better prepare for a gritty game tonight. Matchup to watch Melo vs Rudy Gay. And yes I’m taking the points on the Knicks tonight as well, don’t ask me why but come on have u seen shump and his defense.

    20. Caleb

      Our schedule, at least the first half of the season, seems pretty gentle. Next two games are away against good teams, but they’re not back to back. The next tough batch (4 away games in 5 nights) is not ’til end of January, and starts off with Charlotte and Cleveland (ending in Miami and Houston).

      And it looks like our only 3 in 3 all season comes February 2-4, and there our 3rd game is home against the Nyets.

      I thought every team had to play 3-in-3 more than once.. but no, unless I’m missing something.

      Also, although the Knicks have been underwhelming so far, it’s great they are 2-0 against Boston and Philly – never too early to start thinking about tiebreakers, especially in a short season.

    21. Frank

      jon abbey:
      what we know about individual players is an ongoing thing, including track record, age, and collective level of play. what we know about a team is as a whole, and our PG hasn’t even dressed yet.

      Agree – and if Baron can give us even average PG play I think we will be MUCH better off. Our turnover problems have been due to Melo and Amare having to do so much ball handling (they’re averaging 6 TOs/36 combined), and having inexperienced or crappy guards try to initiate offense (Landry, TD, Shumpert about 2.5 TO/36 EACH). Not that Baron is necessarily a low-TO guy, but at least his playmaking-to-mistake ratio should be higher than Landry/TD.

      I also think TD will eventually turn it around. He’s too good a shooter to have a TS in the high 30s. I think he should be playing off the ball for now and concentrate on spotting up etc. rather than initiate offense for others – get some confidence back.

    22. Caleb

      ps I’ve been Shumpert skeptic #1, but I’m becoming a fan. His game is way further along than I remember at Tech, and the NBA suits him well – his athletic ability has more room to shine, especially on D.

      But his shooting problems aren’t a fluke – he’s never been able to shoot (he was around 30 percent on college 3s, I think), and he never had good shot selection. That’s a long-term project.

      Here’s hoping he can rein it in a bit.

    23. D.

      Great stuff! I wanted to add hat MD said Boom dizzy shud be back by the end of January, we might desparately need him in that Miami game.

      Caleb:
      Our schedule, at least the first half of the season, seems pretty gentle. Next two games are away against good teams, but they’re not back to back. The next tough batch (4 away games in 5 nights) is not ’til end of January, and starts off with Charlotte and Cleveland (ending in Miami and Houston).

      And it looks like our only 3 in 3 all season comes February 2-4, and there our 3rd game is home against the Nyets.

      I thought every team had to play 3-in-3 more than once.. but no, unless I’m missing something.

      Also, although the Knicks have been underwhelming so far, it’s great they are 2-0 against Boston and Philly – never too early to start thinking about tiebreakers, especially in a short season.

    24. JK47

      The Knicks’ defensive improvements are kind of a mixed bag. On the one hand, we’re seventh in defensive efficiency. On the other hand, we’ve played pretty much every bad offensive team in the NBA at this point. The opponents we’ve played have the following offensive rankings:

      11th, 23rd, 13th, 24th, 26th, 28th, 30th, 29th, 28th, 6th.

      Tonight we play the Grizz, who rank 27th. Following that we play #2 OKC, #3 Orlando and #12 Phoenix.

      The good news is that we are at least starting to clamp down on these bad offensive teams. This should continue tonight as we seem to match up well against the Grizz. Their main scorer is a low-efficiency guard, they are weak at the PG position and they’re the worst 3-point shooting team in the NBA.

    25. jon abbey

      D.:
      Plus Memphis is deep

      they’re really not, they lost Battier, Arthur is out for the year, and Z-Bo is hurt. they’re about as thin as us, but they didn’t play last night and are of course at home. it took a big effort from NY to win last night, I’d be surprised if they can back it up with another one tonight, unless there are a lot of unexpected bench contributions.

    26. Juany8

      notice that we totally shut down the 6th ranked team, and even though everyone here tends to be sensitive about defense, the Bobcats especially were making absolutely ridiculous shots against the Knicks in both games. No matter how well you play defense, you can’t shut down everyone, but we are definitely making noticeable progress, especially since Shumpert might be as good defensively as Iguodala one day, the kid is a monster.

    27. Z

      jon abbey: it took a big effort from NY to win last night, I’d be surprised if they can back it up with another one tonight, unless there are a lot of unexpected bench contributions.

      Never underestimed the power of the SHUMP SHUMP

    28. JK47

      It’s not just that Shumpert’s a great defender, which he is– it’s that he is taking minutes from a terrible defender, Toney Douglas. I also think Landry Fields is playing much better D, hustling extremely hard on the defensive end these last few games. The Knicks are #6 in the NBA in defensive turnover percentage and #5 in the NBA in steals, numbers which should be helped even further when noted pickpocket Baron Davis arrives on the scene.

    29. Frank O.

      A more reasonable board today. Bravo!
      I wonder if back-to-backs become a norm whether it won’t be so shocking for players when they have them.
      I have always noticed that stress often is better managed when it becomes more the norm. It’s those shocks that can be so off-putting.
      Perhaps with this new normal, the back end of a back-to-back isn’t so meaningful. And if all teams over time show fatigue, it’s not as noticeable.
      I think we could have an interesting game tonight. Will be interesting to see how our guards contain Mayo, Allen and Conley. I think SHUMP will match up well with anyone he gets. I think how Fields plays could be a major factor.
      I can’t wait to see Melo and Gay match up, as well as Chandler and Gasol.
      But without Randolph, they’re not the same team.
      I think the Knicks win tonight.

    30. hoolahoop

      I have been a big Melo detractor since day one. And last night, at times, MDWMD. That being said, I think he was reason number one that the knicks won last night. He got the team off to an early lead, and when the knicks looked scared, Melo was fearless.
      He passed out of double teams and was, in short, led the knicks to victory.
      On the other hand, Amare, looked horrible in the second quarter without Melo and TC in the game. He went stretches playing with no confidence. . . and what happened to his shot?
      Jorts – great game.
      Fields better start hitting his shot. This league doesn’t have the patience for a guy of his calibre to be cold for more than a season.

    31. hoolahoop

      I have been a big Melo detractor since day one. And last night, at times, MDWMD. That being said, I think he was reason number one that the knicks won last night. He got the team off to an early lead, and when the knicks looked scared, Melo was fearless.
      He passed out of double teams and was, in short, led the knicks to victory.
      On the other hand, Amare, looked horrible in the second quarter without Melo and TC in the game. He went stretches playing with no confidence. . . and what happened to his shot?
      Jorts – great game.
      Fields better start start saving his money. This league doesn’t have much patience for a guy of his calibre to be cold for more than a season.

    32. hoolahoop

      I’d love to hear D’antoni come out and say the real reason he doesn’t give Balkman any run. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

    33. JK47

      @36

      Yeah, I just don’t get it with Balkman. He plays some of the best on-ball defense on the team and rebounds with real ferocity. It’s not like playing an 8-man rotation at this point makes any sense.

    34. Caleb

      @30 That is my big problem with TD. Anyone can have a shooting slump, but the whole reason he was drafted in the first place is because he allegedly could defend. He was pretty solid as a rookie. but gradually seems to have developed a self-image that he’s Kobe Bryant. His shoulder might be part of it, but I think TD needs to make a big mental readjustment and focus on what he was supposed to be in the league, which is a good defender and a 4th/5th option on offense.

      @37 this has been going on for 5 years… I think it’s a combination is that Balkman is not loveable to coaches – Isiah is the only one who really gave him some burn, and that was his rookie year. If I had to guess I’d say it’s partly the semi-flaky personality, and possibly erratic practice habits. I also wonder about off-court issues; dope-smoking jokes aside he’s had a DUI and I remember an on-camera post-game interview during summer league where he said he was heading out to get lit for Brian Green’s birthday. IMO, that’s pretty irrelevant – if a guy can play, and Balkman can, you should play him.

      But then you have D’Antoni stubborness – again and again you see him emphasize shooting ability over everything else, and not adapt to the strengths of the players he actually has. Sometimes it kind of works, e.g. Shawne Williams. Usually, not so much.

    35. ruruland

      Owen: Was at the game last night and can report that Carmelo is just as frustrating to watch in person as he is in my mother’s basement. That’s the perfect Melo line, 27 points on 28 possessions with 5 turnovers and a few other turnovers trying to get the ball to him to iso with in the corner….Tyson Chandler is a beast and I absolutely love watching him play. Best free agent acquisition I can remember by the Knicks….

      That’s the perfect Melo line? What are you talking about?

      Melo is going to erupt here in the next few games…. maybe tonight…And he’ll probably do it for 2-3 games, though he is capable of stringing together many more (let’s hope he saves a long string of great games for the playoffs)..

      He’s in a slump as he is prone to get in throughout the season, but he’s doing a lot of other things… Playing quality defense for the most part, and facilitating others….

      Right now that’s just how it’s going to have to work until other guys start making shots…. but frankly, I don’t really see much hope on that regar, right now at least.

      baron will help some, and improve Melo and Amare’s efficiency.. but defense is going to be this team’s calling card until better support players are drafted/signed.

    36. ruruland

      D.: OK so u guys are still talking about last night. How come no one is talking about tonight? anyways as ugly as it was, almost all the games last night were ugly. Did u see how the Heat missed free throws, are u kidding me. I agree with guys saying melo is doing too much and needs to be given a chance to get easy buckets. He is like my wife, the mother in the family. She does everything but often no one does anything nice for her. That’s how it’s been in La with Kobe, and kudos yo Stern for keeping it that way. Back to the Knicks, I’m really excited about tonight’s game. A bit of bad blood from last years game winner, should be interesting. Plus Memphis is deep and also have a very balanced froncourt as well as back court. I think this is a perfect matchup. Melo has his defensive work cut out for him 2 nights in a row and then on to the guy I think is his number one rival other than LBJ, the Duranchilla. Some say he’s the best scorer in the league and others said Melo is. I seriously can’t wait. Let’s see how the Knicks fair tonight and all those complaining about the ugly game last night, better prepare for a gritty game tonight. Matchup to watch Melo vs Rudy Gay. And yes I’m taking the points on the Knicks tonight as well, don’t ask me why but come on have u seen shump and his defense.

      Melo owns Durant and always has, just as Melo has owned Lebron, Wade and Bosh. He has been up and down against Iggy but typically dominates him, though I think Iggy has now had 2-3 great games on him….. Melo will get him this year in another match-up.

      Melo vs Durant
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=anthoca01&p2=duranke01

      Melo: 29.6 (50.2%) 3.8, 10-1 record, two buzzer beating game winners.

      Melo throughouly dominates Gay as well: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder

    37. ruruland

      Caleb: @30 That is my big problem with TD. Anyone can have a shooting slump, but the whole reason he was drafted in the first place is because he allegedly could defend. He was pretty solid as a rookie. but gradually seems to have developed a self-image that he’s Kobe Bryant. His shoulder might be part of it, but I think TD needs to make a big mental readjustment and focus on what he was supposed to be in the league, which is a good defender and a 4th/5th option on offense. @37 this has been going on for 5 years… I think it’s a combination is that Balkman is not loveable to coaches – Isiah is the only one who really gave him some burn, and that was his rookie year. If I had to guess I’d say it’s partly the semi-flaky personality, and possibly erratic practice habits. I also wonder about off-court issues; dope-smoking jokes aside he’s had a DUI and I remember an on-camera post-game interview during summer league where he said he was heading out to get lit for Brian Green’s birthday. IMO, that’s pretty irrelevant – if a guy can play, and Balkman can, you should play him. But then you have D’Antoni stubborness – again and again you see him emphasize shooting ability over everything else, and not adapt to the strengths of the players he actually has. Sometimes it kind of works, e.g. Shawne Williams. Usually, not so much.

      Balkman exerbates the existing spacing issues…. that’s all there is to it.

    38. hoolahoop

      ruruland: That’s the perfect Melo line? What are you talking about?

      Melo is going to erupt here in the next few games…. maybe tonight…And he’ll probably do it for 2-3 games, though he is capable of stringing together many more (let’s hope he saves a long string of great games for the playoffs)..

      He’s in a slump as he is prone to get in throughout the season, but he’s doing a lot of other things… Playing quality defense for the most part, and facilitating others….

      Right now that’s just how it’s going to have to work until other guys start making shots…. but frankly, I don’t really see much hope on that regar, right now at least.

      baron will help some, and improve Melo and Amare’s efficiency.. but defense is going to be this team’s calling card until better support players are drafted/signed.

      Why do you have to have a knee-jerk defense to everything Melo? Don’t take criticism of him personally. It clouds your ability to really see what’s going on.

    39. ruruland

      hoolahoop: Why do you have to have a knee-jerk defense to everything Melo? Don’t take criticism of him personally. It clouds your ability to really see what’s going on.

      Why do you take my response to others criticism of Melo personally?

      Let the chips fall.

    40. Caleb

      ruruland: Balkman exerbates the existing spacing issues…. that’s all there is to it.

      It’s bad coaching, you use the strengths of your players. Run Balkman out there while Harrelson is playing and you have the extra shooter.

    41. TDM

      Caleb: It’s bad coaching, you use the strengths of your players. Run Balkman out there while Harrelson is playing and you have the extra shooter.

      Exactly who is the extra shooter in that scenario? The Knicks won last night on defense. Their lack of offense (in spurts) almost lost it for us. My thoughts are that MDA isn’t playing Balkman because we need more O.

    42. Caleb

      ruruland: Melo owns Durant and always has, just as Melo has owned Lebron, Wade and Bosh. He has been up and down against Iggy but typically dominates him, though I think Iggy has now had 2-3 great games on him….. Melo will get him this year in another match-up.

      Melo vs Durant
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=anthoca01&p2=duranke01

      Melo: 29.6 (50.2%) 3.8, 10-1 record, two buzzer beating game winners.

      Melo throughouly dominates Gay as well:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder...

      That’s an awesome tool! Didn’t know they had that at BasketballReference.

      Not sure I see the domination, though. Melo did shoot a bit more, but they were both great in those games. Melo wins on TS%, 59.26 to 58.34. Durant had more rebounds, Melo more assists. Durant more turnovers and blocks, Melo more steals. Very close in all categories. They’re pretty similar players, which isn’t too surprising. I think they are very similar overall, although Durant is better.

      It does seem Melo plays especially well against his top-notch rivals, like Durant and LeBron. Although Melo’s playoff #s are down from regular season, down about the same amount as other great players (Playoff #s are always down because the competition/defense is better). Although Durant has actally shot and produced BETTER in the playoffs! Small sample size, though.

    43. Caleb

      TDM: Exactly who is the extra shooter in that scenario?The Knicks won last night on defense.Their lack of offense (in spurts) almost lost it for us.My thoughts are that MDA isn’t playing Balkman because we need more O.

      Harrelson spaces the court in a way Chandler does not.

      It’s easy to devise a lineup with 4 people who can shoot (allegedly, at least – I’m counting Walker, Fields and Douglas) plus Balkman. Meanwhile, you have someone who can defend and rebound, which equals more easy baskets. Balkman does not hurt the offense.

    44. Caleb

      p.s. If this were just a thing in the last few games, I might agree that D’Antoni is not using Balkman while the offense is struggling. But it was the same last year, and the year D’Antoni got here they shipped Balkman out of town as fast as tehy could.

    45. Z

      Caleb:
      His shoulder might be part of it…

      If you’re only as good as your shoulder,
      and your shoulder is always bad,
      then you are bad.

    46. ruruland

      Caleb: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=anthoca01&p2=duranke01

      sarcasmdar went off there Caleb

      Stats are similar, Melo’s are better. But the important part is that Melo’s team is 10-1, and Melo has outplayed Durant in the big-moments

      He has two game-winners against Durant… this one is a classic, you can’t out-clutch Melo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ickvo81Bep0

      Second game-winner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH40s3ufnWA

      Melo can guard Durant 1-1 when he isn’t coming off screens, Durant has no prayer of guarding Melo 1-1 with the ball in his hands.

      Durant is a thoroughbred who is able to outrun guys during the course of the regular season. I mean that in the sense that his length, gate and endurance give him an advantage in running off screens, transition and getting consistently good looks to supplement the other (more limited) half court aspects of his game.

      Melo has longer dead-leg periods than Durant, giving KD a TS% and PER advantage most years. Durant gets a lot more easy buckets in transition, a better whistle, and his frame and length allow him to show contact better.

      But offensively, in a big-game or playoff situation, I take the guy who creates more defensive attention, who is a more versatile scorer,the epitome of clutch, better man defender and who’s always been a better passer.

      People love to talk about Melo’s defensive issues, but you never hear the fact that the Thunder/Seattle have consistently been better defensively with Durant on the bench.

      4.3 points better last year, a staggering 8.2 points better in 2009, 8.8 points better in 2008.

      Melo has a superior career profile in +/-, as much of Durant’s NBA career the team has been better with him on the pine.

      Not sure why Melo always gets so much more criticism than Durant, when he’s superior in many aspects…

    47. ruruland

      Also, it’s really difficult to compare Melo’s playoff performances with Durants. If you haven’t followed Melo or Denver closely the last 8 years, you wouldn’t the circumstances that team faced in the playoffs.

      For one, Melo is nothing like the player he was as a 19 pr 20 year old (by far his worst playoff performances). Durant has a slight stastical advantage (playoff wise) because he played on better teams in the playoffs and was more mature when he began his playoff career.

      The 2006 Nuggets (Melo was 21) had absolutely no business in the playoffs. They were without Kenyon Martin, Nene, and their second-best scorer Earl Boykins.

      The 2006 team featured a cast of journeyman in the 8 man rotation: Greg Buckner, Demarr Johnson, Reggie Evans, Eduardo Najera…. (You though the Amare/Billups-less Knicks were bad last year)

      The only two competent players on that team were Marcus Camby and Andre Miller, not exactly guys who could space the floor.

      It was 1-5 for Melo every possession; the team shot around 20 percent on jump shots created from double and triple teams.

      The other 4th bad statistical playoff showing for Melo was in 2008, which was the low point of the Iverson era. Melo had just gotten a DUI, was overweight and really was just a mess. It was later found out that the team had been partying with Iverson throughout the last few months of the year– he had that kind of influence.

      the 2007, 2009,2010, 2011 Melo, with respective PERs of 22.1, 24.3, 23.2, and 22.7 is a better representation of Melo the playoff player.

      You must understand that in 2007 it was Iverson and Melo (Jr Smith was suspended) The Nuggets had poor floor spacing and the overal team construction was not conducive to highly efficient offensive play from Melo.

      2009 was the one year all the pieces were healthy and assembled– and Melo posted a 24.3 PER and was arguably the best player in the WC playoffs until Kobe took over in game 6 of WCF.

      2010 Coach Karl was sick…

    48. ruruland

      and Martin, Nene were both injured. The Nuggets were banged up much in the same way the Knicks were in last year’s playoffs, but more disoriented due to not having a head coach on the bench.

      Billups had a couple of good games, but it was basically the Melo show.

      In the playoffs, especially against the kind of foes Melo has faced through his career (San Antonio twice, Lakers twice, Boston, Minnesota (top 5 defensive team), Clippers (top 5 defensive team)) it is SO hard for one guy to take over when there is no floor spacing or a second threat.

      For the vast majority of Melo’s playoff career, that’s what he’s faced. That’s not the case with Durant.

    49. jon abbey

      “Not sure why Melo always gets so much more criticism than Durant, when he’s superior in many aspects”

      interesting point, I think it’s because Durant is only 23 to Melo’s 27, and also he’s a lot easier personality to like for most people.

    50. hoolahoop

      I don’t take your your response to others criticism of Melo personally.

      More importantly, but your Melo worship is childish and immature. It drives away some of the better posters here who want to have an intelligent basketball discussion, instead of Melo is the best, Melo is fantastic, Melo is the greatest. Everybody sucks, Melo Melo Melo.

      There are some great conversations on this board, but it sometimes gets taken over by fanboys. Maybe you’re a young kid, then I should be more understanding. But, I assume everyone posting here is an adult.

      hoolahoop: Why do you have to have a knee-jerk defense to everything Melo? Don’t take criticism of him personally. It clouds your ability to really see what’s going on.

      Why do you take my response to others criticism of Melo personally?

      Let the chips fall.

      (Quote)

    51. ruruland

      jon abbey: “Not sure why Melo always gets so much more criticism than Durant, when he’s superior in many aspects”and also he’s a lot easier personality to like for most people.

      That’s probably it.

    52. hoolahoop

      At ruruland:
      I don’t take your your response to others criticism of Melo personally.

      More importantly, your Melo worship is childish and immature. It drives away some of the better posters here who want to have an intelligent basketball discussion, instead of Melo is the best, Melo is fantastic, Melo is the greatest. Everybody sucks, Melo Melo Melo.

      There are some great conversations on this board, but it sometimes gets taken over by fanboys. Maybe you’re a young kid, then I should be more understanding. But, I assume everyone posting here is an adult.

    53. ruruland

      hoolahoop: IWhy do you take my response to others criticism of Melo personally?Let the chips fall.(Quote)

      Sigh…. It’s not personal but you’re personally attacking me. How am I driving away intilligent discussions?

    54. hoolahoop

      I don’t mean to personally attack you. I’m sure you’re a nice guy. . . and if we watched a knick game together it would probably be a lot of fun.
      But so much Melo adulation, at least for me, changes the discussion from one of basketball analysis to a teenage fan club. (Are you a teenager?)

      Do whatever you want. People like me won’t stick around, which I’m sure will be just fine for some people here.

    55. hoolahoop

      Online communities are strange creatures. Some of us that argue most here may get along best in real life.

    56. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

      The Knicks’ defensive improvements are kind of a mixed bag. On the one hand, we’re seventh in defensive efficiency. On the other hand, we’ve played pretty much every bad offensive team in the NBA at this point. The opponents we’ve played have the following offensive rankings:

      11th, 23rd, 13th, 24th, 26th, 28th, 30th, 29th, 28th, 6th.

      Tonight we play the Grizz, who rank 27th. Following that we play #2 OKC, #3 Orlando and #12 Phoenix.

      JK47 looks pretty on point after the OKC game.

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