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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Feb 23 2012)

  • [New York Times] Knicks 99, Hawks 82: Lin and Anthony Team Up as Knicks Beat Hawks (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:13:59 GMT)
    Jeremy Lin, who had 17 points with 9 assists, and Carmelo Anthony, who scored 15 points, showed signs of improvement in playing together in the Knicks’ victory against the Hawks.

  • [New York Times] Jeremy Lin Appears Unlikely to Make U.S. Olympic Team (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:13:56 GMT)
    Despite his outstanding play of late, the Knicks’ Jeremy Lin has at least three point guards ahead of him on the depth chart for the United States.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Speculation Resumes as Howard Visits Nets (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:20:24 GMT)
    Nets officials try to make an impression with Dwight Howard in town.

  • [New York Times] Basketball: Jordan Sues Chinese Company Over Use of Name (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:20:05 GMT)
    The former Chicago Bulls star says the company is using his name, jersey number and likeness and the names of his children without authorization.

  • [New York Times] Clippers’ Paul Torches Ailing Nuggets (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:31:55 GMT)
    Chris Paul poured salt into the wounds of the ailing Denver Nuggets with 36 points and nine assists to carry the Los Angeles Clippers to a much-needed 103-95 home win Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Beat Nuggets 103-95 to End 2-Game Skid (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:21:51 GMT)
    Chris Paul scored a season-high 36 points, Blake Griffin added 27 and the Los Angeles Clippers beat the Denver Nuggets 103-95 Wednesday night to snap a two-game skid in their last game before the All-Star break.

  • [New York Times] Lin May Change Face of Chinese Basketball: Yao (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:49:28 GMT)
    Chinese basketball icon Yao Ming has been taken aback by Jeremy Lin’s rise at the New York Knicks and thinks his style and size could make China’s state sports system rethink how it selects and grooms its athletes.

  • [New York Times] Michael Jordan Sues Chinese Sportswear Firm Over Name Use (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:31:39 GMT)
    Basketball legend Michael Jordan has filed a lawsuit in China against a Chinese sportswear company, accusing the firm of unauthorized use of his name.

  • [New York Times] Lakers Hit Midway Mark With 96-91 Win Over Dallas (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:57:46 GMT)
    Andrew Bynum had a huge smile on his face after he grabbed a rebound of his own miss and got fouled on an attempted putback.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Hand Celtics 5th Straight Loss, 119-104 (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:09:53 GMT)
    The Boston Celtics can only hope their game against the Oklahoma City Thunder is a microcosm of their season: a dreadful first half and a gutsy second half.

  • [New York Times] Ellis’ Jumper Lifts Warriors Past Suns, 106-104 (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:51:51 GMT)
    Monta Ellis hit an 20-foot fadeaway jumper with 1 second remaining and the Golden State Warriors beat the Phoenix Suns 106-104 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Michael Jordan Sues Chinese Sportswear Firm Over Name Use (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:28:44 GMT)
    Basketball legend Michael Jordan has filed a lawsuit in China against a Chinese sportswear company, accusing the firm of unauthorized use of his name.

  • [New York Times] Pistons on Brink of Motor City Revival (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:28:42 GMT)
    It is too early to call it a Motor City revival but like the auto industry the Detroit Pistons are showing signs of life as the National Basketball Association (NBA) heads into the All Star break.

  • [New York Times] Ridnour’s Buzzer-Beater Lifts Wolves Past Jazz (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:12:48 GMT)
    Luke Ridnour hit a floater in the lane at the buzzer, capping Minnesota’s comeback from 16 points down in the fourth quarter as the Timberwolves beat the Utah Jazz 100-98 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Boozer Helps Bulls Dominate Bucks in 110-91 Win (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:43:10 GMT)
    Carlos Boozer scored 20 points, Derrick Rose and Luol Deng each added 16, and the Chicago Bulls beat the Milwaukee Bucks 110-91 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] The Closer: Linsanity May Be Peaking (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:34:55 GMT)
    Jeremy Lin has had a great start to his Knicks career, but calls to add him to the United States Olympic roster seem premature.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: More to Fields Than a Pregame Handshake (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:01:39 GMT)
    If it was easy to lose sight of Landry Fields’s role in Jeremy Lin’s rise, then Fields provided a reminder of his value in the Knicks’ 99-82 victory over the Atlanta Hawks on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Lin, Knicks Rout Hawks 99-82, Head to Miami (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:57:47 GMT)
    Not much heat from the Hawks for Jeremy Lin and the New York Knicks.

  • [New York Times] Scola, Lowry Lead Rockets Past Sixers 93-87 (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:54:47 GMT)
    Luis Scola had 19 points and 10 rebounds, Kyle Lowry added 13 points and two crucial three-point plays down the stretch, and the Houston Rockets beat the Philadelphia 76ers 93-87 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Kaman Scores 21 as Hornets Top Cavaliers 89-84 (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:15:47 GMT)
    Chris Kaman scored 21 points and the New Orleans Hornets held off a late Cleveland rally for an 89-84 win over the Cavaliers on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Dwight Howard Dominates in Audition for Nets (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:07:05 GMT)
    Dwight Howard had 20 points and 17 rebounds and the Orlando Magic rolled to a 108-91 victory over the New Jersey Nets on Wednesday night.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Knicks' D on Jeff Teague sets season record (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:45:07 EDT)
    NEW YORK — 0 assists.
    That’s how many Hawks starting point guard Jeff Teague had Wednesday night in the Knicks’ 99-82 victory. It was the first time all season that an opposing starting point guard had 0 assists in at least 20 minutes of action. Charlotte’s Gerald Henderson did it twice nd Utah’s Raja Bell did it once, but they’re both shooting guards.
    After the Knicks allowed Nets starting point guard Deron Willliams to go off at the Garden Monday night, scoring 38 points and dishing out six assists, and Mike D’Antoni called out the team’s inconsistent energy level on defense, they came back with a vengeance tonight.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Heat recruited Baron Davis to play in Miami (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:15:53 EDT)
    NEW YORK — One of the greatest NBA coaches ever, Pat Riley, and two of the best players in the game today, LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, still couldn’t convince Baron Davis to sign with the Heat last December.
    Davis already knew where he wanted to sign for the veteran’s minimum: the New York Knicks.
    “I spoke to Pat Riley. D-Wade, LeBron, they texted me and asked me what was up,” Davis said. “But I pretty much knew I wanted to come here and play in the Garden and play in front of these fans and play for this organization.

  • [New York Post] Man on man (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:16:02 -0500)
    Knicks at Heat

    Tonight � 7:00 � TNT � ESPN (1050 AM)

    Marc Berman breaks down the starting lineups:
    PF Amar’e Stoudemire vs. Chris Bosh â?? Knicks had matchup
    edge last season, but Bosh has come on and Stoudemire has
    lost step. Edge: Heat
    SF Carmelo Anthony vs. LeBron James â?? Melo is…

  • [New York Post] Lin’s fortunes changed after praying before Jan. Knicks-Heat matchup (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:06:55 -0500)
    MIAMI â?? This was 27 days ago, early on a Friday evening, maybe two hours before the Knicks played the Heat for the first time in 2012. Inside the chapel at American Airlines Arena, just down a hallway from the dressing rooms, a handful of supplicants had gathered to seek solace…

  • [New York Post] Knicks blast Hawks, face Heat tonight (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:53:55 -0500)
    Linderella, meet the Miami Dream Team. Linsanity, meet South Beach.
    It’s on tonight. Despite the Heat’s seven-game winning streak in which they have beaten their opponents by at least 12 points, Jeremy Lin’s Knicks have booted Miami as the NBA’s â?? and sports world’s â?? most compelling…

  • [New York Post] Anthony knows how to Lin a hand (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:31:37 -0500)
    Even in today’s world of social media and 24-hour sports talk, it’s amazing how quickly Carmelo Anthony has been labeled as poison to the Knicks just because the team finally found a point guard while he was injured.
    For two-plus weeks it was debated whether he could play…

  • [New York Post] Iman had â??Linsane’ dunk ready (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:30:08 -0500)
    Knicks rookie guard Iman Shumpert, who officially pulled out of the Slam Dunk contest yesterday because of tendinitis in his knee, admitted to The Post he had a “Linsane” trick up his sleeve.Yes, he and Jeremy Lin had talked about doing a dunk in which Shumpert would vault over…

  • [New York Post] Dynamic duo dominate in blowout victory (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:30:08 -0500)
    Before last night’s game against Atlanta tipped off, Mike D’Antoni had a chat with Carmelo Anthony. The star returned Monday after a seven-game absence, but only took 11 shots and the Knicks lost to the Nets.
    “He came up to me and said, â??Look, just be you,’ â? Anthony…

  • [New York Post] Smith denies $1M in fines (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:30:08 -0500)
    J.R. Smith denied racking up more than $1 million in fines during his stint in China earlier this season.
    The website Niubball.com cited a report indicating the Knicks’ new shooting guard was fined $1.06 million in China because he missed practices.
    “Not even close,â? Smith said yesterday…

  • [New York Post] Knicks super subs take flight (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:30:08 -0500)
    One week ago, J.R. Smith was a free agent waiting to catch a plane home from China and Baron Davis was on the Knicks bench in civvies, his injured back still not cleared for takeoff.
    Last night, they caught their connecting flights â?? on a pair of alley-oops that sent…

  • [New York Daily News] Lin Harmony: ‘O’ flows as Knicks rout Hawks (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:18:13 GMT)
    While Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni attempted to maintain rhythm while re-inserting All-Star swingman Carmelo Anthony into the lineup, he lamented the lack of practice time afforded his team in a stretch of three games in four nights.

  • [New York Daily News] Nike reportedly goes all-Lin for Jeremy (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:07:35 GMT)
    Nike has a case of Linsanity. The sportswear giant extended its contract with the Knicks’ point guard, less than three weeks after his meteoric rise to fame, Beijing Business Today reported, in an effort to guard him from being stolen by rival companies.

  • [New York Daily News] Lin’s Knicks take talents to South Beach (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:56:05 GMT)
    Jeremy Lin and the Knicks are taking their talents to South Beach. And they’re not intimidated in the least about facing LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and the high-flying Heat on Thursday night in Miami.

  • [New York Daily News] Injured Shumpert bows out of dunk contest (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:34:00 GMT)
    Jeremy Lin is out of this weekend’s slam dunk contest, so to speak. Knicks rookie Iman Shumpert was forced to turn down an invitation to participate in the dunk contest during All-Star Saturday Night in Orlando due to patella tendinitis in his left knee. The NBA announced that Utah Jazz forward Jeremy Evans will replace Shumpert.

  • [New York Daily News] Lin deals with coverage (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:18:17 GMT)
    If there is in fact a Sports Illustrated curse, just imagine the cruel, supernatural forces gathering with punitive fury to sabotage Knicks media sensation Jeremy Lin.

  • [New York Daily News] UFC Prez calls Floyd ‘racist’ over Lin comments (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:51:12 GMT)
    Floyd Mayweather Jr. took another hit one week after tweeting racially charged comments in regards to Jeremy Lin’s increasing popularity.

  • [New York Daily News] Lin-ough! LeBron, Heat tired of Linsanity talk (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:31:35 GMT)
    LeBron James sighed and shook his head. Following practice on Wednesday, the first question posed to the Heat star was about â?? you guessed it â?? Jeremy Lin, and James acted as if he was tired of talking about the new kid on the NBA block.

  • [New York Newsday] Davis to Knicks: I'll be worth the wait (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:22:05 EST)
    Coming off the bench suits Baron Davis just fine. After more than 12 years in the NBA, the veteran point guard isn't looking to fight for more playing time or the spotlight.

  • [New York Newsday] Heat will be a major test for Lin (Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:23:38 EST)
    Jeremy Lin has done the impossible so many times over, including making the Miami Heat a secondary story — at best — in the NBA.

  • 54 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Feb 23 2012)

    1. Nick C.

      nicos says:
      February 22, 2012 at 11:16 pm
      I’d have no problem starting Smith over Fields- so much better on defense and will take the open shot, something Fields has been really reluctant to do. I wouldn’t mind Fields playing more three off of the bench- personally, while Novak has shot it well, I’d be fine with him seeing 10-15 minutes rather than 20-25.
      Also on Amar’e- do people on this board realize that if his man- J Smith- releases while Amar’e is shooting a jumper then someone else needs to pick him up in transition. Of the four early leak-outs, only one was really Amar’e’s fault. Melo and Fields were every bit as much to blame for those early fast breaks.

      I think on those leak outs, no I know the third where he got pissed Landry drove, another IIRC Lin did, so, assuming my memory is correct, it’s a bit disingenuous to hypothesize about Amare being the shooter. I’ll grant you its not entirely his fault Clyde kept saying the guards have to get back.

    2. Frank O.

      @1 I think Smith is more comfortable from the six slot and Landry is more comfortable starting. More important, Lin and Landry’s chemistry is palpable and I’d be reluctant to stir that up.

      On another note, this is still a major work in progress. I loved the win. Loved the win. But they committed 21 TOVs, not that many appeared to be forced. They were inconsistent with energy and effort and Amare was bricking the tongue. Melo still seems rusty, but his fast break pass to I think fields was lightning quick. I do wish folks would stop dissing the guy. He has been genuinely a solid guy, despite his shooting percentage being way off. He will shred teams.
      But tonight could be a tough one. Miami is spectacular lately. Lebron and Wade’s chemistry is something to behold. The Knicks will rise to this challenge, but they simply need to protect the ball. Lin will face Lebron on D, so he will need to be decisive and precise. This is where Amare, Melo and Chandler simply must assert dominance and out role players must hit their shots.
      Knicks have great depth, and they now have guards who have a handle. But this win against the Hawks was sloppy.
      I believe if the Knicks can play consistently tough D, and shut down their role players, including shutting down Bosh, Lebron and Wade will be hard pressed to do it alone. Amare needs to keep his head, or else it’s going to Be a back door lob-fest.

    3. d-mar

      Knicks 10 1/2 point underdogs tonight, wow. If the Heat were playing the Bobcats, what would be the spread, 31 or so?

    4. Nick C.

      nicos says:
      February 22, 2012 at 11:16 pm
      “I’d have no problem starting Smith over Fields- so much better on defense and will take the open shot, something Fields has been really reluctant to do. I wouldn’t mind Fields playing more three off of the bench- personally, while Novak has shot it well, I’d be fine with him seeing 10-15 minutes rather than 20-25.
      Also on Amar’e- do people on this board realize that if his man- J Smith- releases while Amar’e is shooting a jumper then someone else needs to pick him up in transition. Of the four early leak-outs, only one was really Amar’e’s fault. Melo and Fields were every bit as much to blame for those early fast breaks.”

      I think on those leak outs, no I know the third where he got pissed Landry drove, another IIRC Lin did, so, assuming my memory is correct, it’s a bit disingenuous to hypothesize about Amare being the shooter. I’ll grant you its not entirely his fault Clyde kept saying the guards have to get back.

      wow I really f’d up how I posted that. my bad for c/ping something from last night that if I responded in its original place would get missed. The quoted stuff is the orignal post FWIW the self-absorbed sentences starting with I and its permutations are my attempt to respond. maybe I need another coffee.

      LeBron on Lin means who guards Melo, Wade?

    5. ruruland

      d-mar:
      Knicks 10 1/2 point underdogs tonight, wow. If the Heat were playing the Bobcats, what would be the spread, 31 or so?

      Yeah I’m going big on that line like I said Tuesday.

    6. Frank

      Nick C.:
      nicos says:

      LeBron on Lin means who guards Melo, Wade?

      I think Lebron on Lin will be mostly 4th quarter or if the Knicks go on a big run. If I were Miami I’d go with a closing lineup of Wade, Lebron, Battier, Bosh, and Joel Anthony/Haslem, with Battier having Melo responsibilities.

      Miami is actually deeper than I thought they were – Between LBJ, Wade, Battier, Bosh, Anthony, Haslem, Miller, Chalmers, and Cole they have 9 solid guys. And that’s not even counting Fat Eddy, who has SWEET per-36 minutes (9 pts, 5.4 reb, 5.4 TOs, 11.7 fouls).

      Our transition D better come to play tonight. I don’t want to see another one of those ridiculous LBJ->Wade 75 foot alley-oops. I mean I do want to see it, just not against us.

      I think JR will play a big role tonight guarding Wade. Too bad Shump is out.

    7. ruruland

      MSA:
      Can you believe that Jeffries offensive rating is better than Amare?

      Chandlers is 35 points higher than Lins…. Is there really anything else you need to know about that stat? I mean, should any stat that has Steve Kerr as the greatest offensive player in basketball player in NBA history merit thoughtful consideration?

    8. Frank

      Was reading the game recap at P&T and was reminded of that play where Chandler was knocked over in the paint and couldn’t get up because of people jumping all around him, and then was called for a 3 second violation – WTF was that??!?!? If someone pitched over and died in the lane would they call a 3 sec on that too? I don’t think I’ve ever seen that call before. Zebras are seriously coming up with new material all the time to screw us.

    9. Nick C.

      Frank: Was reading the game recap at P&T and was reminded of that play where Chandler was knocked over in the paint and couldn’t get up because of people jumping all around him, and then was called for a 3 second violation – WTF was that??!?!? If someone pitched over and died in the lane would they call a 3 sec on that too? I don’t think I’ve ever seen that call before. Zebras are seriously coming up with new material all the time to screw us.

      I forgot about that. That was pretty strange to say the least.

    10. jon abbey

      ruruland: Chandlers is 35 points higher than Lins…. Is there really anything else you need to know about that stat?I mean, should any stat that has Steve Kerr as the greatest offensive player in basketball player in NBA history merit thoughtful consideration?

      preach it, my brothah from anothah mothah.

    11. JK47

      The Knicks now rank 5th in defensive rating. That is right, the New York Knickerbocker basketball team, the one that plays in Madison Square Garden, is fifth in the NBA in defensive rating. The Knicks are allowing 93.8 points per game despite playing at the second fastest pace in the NBA.

    12. Eazy B

      Man, the potential for this team is tantalizing. They are playing pretty exciting basketball, but there is SO much room for improvement. Especially in turnovers…we could be in for a rude awakening in that department tonight. There were numerous instances over the past few games where our players just weren’t ready for the passes being thrown their way, but they’ll figure that out quickly.

      @2 I’m inclined to agree about keeping Fields in the starting line-up, he’s playing really smart basketball right now and Smith certainly flourishes off the bench. I’m looking forward to Fields shot coming back a bit. He has continued to improve his already above average off-ball cuts as well as taking people off the dribble – imagine how that will play out if the defense feels compelled to close out on him on the corner 3.

    13. MSA

      ruruland: Chandlers is 35 points higher than Lins…. Is there really anything else you need to know about that stat?I mean, should any stat that has Steve Kerr as the greatest offensive player in basketball player in NBA history merit thoughtful consideration?

      It’s not about who is the biggest threat in the offense. It’s about who uses better the possessions on the offensive end.

      I really don’t care if Jeffries OFFrt is better than Amare. And I know that we can’t run a single play for him.

      However, the point is that Amare is sucking so bad this season that even Jared “Banana Hands” Jeffries, topped him in this one.

      If Kerr have the best OFFrt ever, it’s not because he’s the best offensive player ever. He’s probably the best in what he used to do. Staying in the corner and shooting.

    14. JK47

      What’s even more frightening is that Jared Jeffries matches Amar’e Stoudemire in WS/48:

      Jared Jeffries .099
      Amar’e Stoudemire .101

      Now that’s scary.

    15. ruruland

      MSA: It’s not about who is the biggest threat in the offense. It’s about who uses better the possessions on the offensive end.

      I really don’t care if Jeffries OFFrt is better than Amare. And I know that we can’t run a single play for him.

      However, the point is that Amare is sucking so bad this season that even Jared “Banana Hands” Jeffries, topped him in this one.

      If Kerr have the best OFFrt ever, it’s not because he’s the best offensive player ever. He’s probably the best in what he used to do. Staying in the corner and shooting.

      Understand that of course. But that’s not how many on this board use OFFrt in their polemics.

    16. d-mar

      JK47:
      The Knicks now rank 5th in defensive rating.That is right, the New York Knickerbocker basketball team, the one that plays in Madison Square Garden, is fifth in the NBA in defensive rating.The Knicks are allowing 93.8 points per game despite playing at the second fastest pace in the NBA.

      Maybe just maybe Barkley can stop saying “The Knicks are no good, the Knicks don’t play no defense” His only hope is that the Knicks give up 60 points by the half.

    17. Ben R

      JK47:
      What’s even more frightening is that Jared Jeffries matches Amar’e Stoudemire in WS/48:

      Jared Jeffries .099
      Amar’e Stoudemire .101

      Now that’s scary.

      I know Jeffries has been way better. The stat must be broken.

    18. Gideon Zaga

      Hey Guys, ken Berger or the CBS sports guy is saying Nash will likely be traded, now here’s the Obvious question, i know i know i hate fantasy trade talks too, but with a Gun to my head and the answer to the obvious question is yes, i would trade Lin and whoever but the big 3 plus Landry Fields couch for Nash. Are u kidding me? Its Steve Nash this guy will just resurrect Amare with just one pass.

    19. Frank

      Gideon Zaga:
      Hey Guys, ken Berger or the CBS sports guy is saying Nash will likely be traded, now here’s the Obvious question, i know i know i hate fantasy trade talks too, but with a Gun to my head and the answer to the obvious question is yes, i would trade Lin and whoever but the big 3 plus Landry Fieldscouch for Nash. Are u kidding me? Its Steve Nash this guy will just resurrect Amare with just one pass.

      NO
      No
      no
      NOOOOOO

      you want to trade a 23 year old point guard who is under your financial control for the next 2+ seasons AT LEAST and who has a higher PER this year than Nash EVER has? I love Nash and if this were a 32 year old version of Nash, I would consider it. But when players are older than me I know that it’s not a good thing.

      Sign him next year with whatever exception we have left? Great. But no way am I trading Lin for him.

      whatever, there is no possible way under league rules to trade for Nash without trading one of Amare/Melo/Chandler anyway.

    20. Owen

      Pace shouldn’t be relevant to d-rating, since it normalizes for pace.

      Re Jared and Amare – I think Jared has played better than Amare so far this season. His off box score defense has definitely been better so that should give him an edge. But that’s more a commentary on how badly Stat has played, with Jeffries only just about average for the year.

      Re offensive rating – It’s silly to say that offensive rating indicates that Steve Kerr was the best offensive player of all time.

    21. ruruland

      Owen:
      Pace shouldn’t be relevant to d-rating, since it normalizes for pace.

      Re offensive rating – It’s silly to say that offensive rating indicates that Steve Kerr was the best offensive player of all time.

      I wholeheartedly agree.

      It surely doesn’t tell you how many points a player would score in 100 possessions; it’s completely void of any real meaning.

    22. ruruland

      Gideon Zaga:
      Hey Guys, ken Berger or the CBS sports guy is saying Nash will likely be traded, now here’s the Obvious question, i know i know i hate fantasy trade talks too, but with a Gun to my head and the answer to the obvious question is yes, i would trade Lin and whoever but the big 3 plus Landry Fieldscouch for Nash. Are u kidding me? Its Steve Nash this guy will just resurrect Amare with just one pass.

      No way, man.

    23. Gideon Zaga

      Agreed but maybe I also like the old guys cos I’m old too but come on it’s Steve Nash. I mean good things just happen when u mention that guy’s name.

      Frank: NO
      No
      no
      NOOOOOO

      you want to trade a 23 year old point guard who is under your financial control for the next 2+ seasons AT LEAST and who has a higher PER this year than Nash EVER has?I love Nash and if this were a 32 year old version of Nash, I would consider it.But when players are older than me I know that it’s not a good thing.

      Sign him next year with whatever exception we have left? Great. But no way am I trading Lin for him.

      whatever, there is no possible way under league rules to trade for Nash without trading one of Amare/Melo/Chandler anyway.

    24. Z-man

      Ain’t happening this year. Better question is: will Nash come here next year at vets min for a chance at a title?

    25. massive

      It’s almost unbelievable to think about a D’Antoni team that doesn’t have much improvement to make on the defensive side of the ball. With the offense finally making strides to becoming that Top 5 unit (which would be a remarkable turnaround halfway through the season), we have to be a really, really scary team going into the Spring. How crazy is it that Tyson Chandler and Jeremy Lin are the Knicks’ best basketball players? Well, maybe not Tyson Chandler, but Linsanity is just that; insane. If Melo and Amar’e can play at their usual numbers (but with Melo in more of a Durant role in how he lets Westbrook set the table for him), I don’t think there’s a team we can’t beat in a 7 game series. Tonight should be a great game, and hopefully a preview of the ECFs.

    26. Gideon Zaga

      Dude think about it, it’s Steve Nash, in point guard heaven this guy is like a Point god. I’m sure if he wants to be here, he’ll be here. Although Dolan will want to sell tickets knowing that Lin will be a starter in the All Star game for the next 10 years in a row.

      Z-man:
      Ain’t happening this year. Better question is: will Nash come here next year at vets min for a chance at a title?

    27. Z-man

      My son is wearing Amare’s autographed sneaker from last night’s around the house. I’m rooting hard that STAT gets his mojo back soon.

    28. Gideon Zaga

      Why on earth would you let your son wear an autographed sneaker?

      Z-man:
      My son is wearing Amare’s autographed sneaker from last night’s around the house. I’m rooting hard that STAT gets his mojo back soon.

    29. Nick C.

      I’m not sure if you meant it but Tyson might just be the best player. Until recently he and Shump were the only additions to last years team that were not worthless. Considering the defense is top 5 by one measure on this one day and that is his thing he deserves a ton of credit. Anyone more energetic want to do a compare contrast with rebounding numbers? Last time someone did they were way way better this year, or at least defensive rebounding was. Chandler must have something to do with that, as, in fairness, does the absence of non super rebounder Turiaf.

    30. Z-man

      Lin isn’t going anywhere. To trade him for anyone other than a top-5 player in his prime Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose, etc. would make no business sense. The kid is a gold mine. There was more Lin paraphernalia at the game than I’ve ever seen for one player in my 40 years of going to knicks games.

    31. Z-man

      Gideon Zaga: Why on earth would you let your son wear an autographed sneaker?

      Just around the house, it’s hysterical seeing a 95 lb kid wearing a size 16 sneaker. He’s already claiming that it helped him grow an inch and put on 15 pounds but he can’t move laterally while wearing it.

    32. Gideon Zaga

      Yeah I’m sure Dolan already drew up No Trade Clause for the next upcoming contract.

      Z-man:
      Lin isn’t going anywhere. To trade him for anyone other than a top-5 player in his prime Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose, etc. would make no business sense. The kid is a gold mine. There was more Lin paraphernalia at the game than I’ve ever seen for one player in my 40 years of going to knicks games.

    33. Gideon Zaga

      Hahahaha.

      Z-man: Just around the house, it’s hysterical seeing a 95 lb kid wearing a size 16 sneaker. He’s already claiming that it helped him grow an inch and put on 15 pounds but he can’t move laterally while wearing it.

    34. Owen

      “It surely doesn’t tell you how many points a player would score in 100 possessions; it’s completely void of any real meaning.”

      It’s not void of any real meaning. It’s an accurate gauge of a player’s offensive efficiency at a certain level of usage. What it suggests is that Steve Kerr might be the best offensive player in NBA history with a usage rate of 14%. What it clearly doesn’t say is that he is the best offensive player of all time.

      Do you get that? Can you stop mentioning Steve Kerr’s offensive rating in every other thread?

    35. ruruland

      Z-man:
      Lin isn’t going anywhere. To trade him for anyone other than a top-5 player in his prime Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose, etc. would make no business sense. The kid is a gold mine. There was more Lin paraphernalia at the game than I’ve ever seen for one player in my 40 years of going to knicks games.

      How many vet mins can you sign over lux?

      The idea of nash playing 20-25 mins a game to finish his career, with Lin on the roster…

      There’s gotta to be a backdoor to getting these guys whatever money they need. I mean JR Smith and say, Stevie.

      I’d bet Melo and Amar’e would throw in a couple mil each if it meant bringing JR back or adding Nash… I think these guys see that now.

      I don’t think, in the context of the 100+ million they’ve each made, that sacrificing 2,3,4 mill isn’t worth it….

      Can they buy these guys property? A one-sided stock trade? Clean some money through Cayman islands?

      You’re telling me Dolan couldn’t arrange that. How much would a championship or two be worth to his franchise?

    36. ruruland

      Owen:
      “It surely doesn’t tell you how many points a player would score in 100 possessions; it’s completely void of any real meaning.”

      It’s not void of any real meaning. It’s an accurate gauge of a player’s offensive efficiency at a certain level of usage. What it suggests is that Steve Kerr might be the best offensive player in NBA history with a usage rate of 14%. What it clearly doesn’t say is that he is the best offensive player of all time.

      Do you get that? Can you stop mentioning Steve Kerr’s offensive rating in every other thread?

      That’s simply not the way people use Offrtg on this board.

      Usage isn’t an independent variable, either, which is how it’s being conceptualized on the board.

    37. art vandelay

      Not sure if you folks have Insider, but Hollinger´s Per Diem today on Lin´s TO issues and the Knicks in general as a potential challenger to Chi/Mia is by far the most optimistic and actually quite complimentary article I have ever seen him write about NYK and an NYK player in particular.

    38. ruruland

      Melo’s last 7 games vs Bron bron

      25.6 ppg, 49% from field.

      6-2 record

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=anthoca01&p2=jamesle01

      Melo’s history vs Shane Battier

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=anthoca01&p2=battish01

      Look at how often he torches the Kobe stopper

      10/19 28 pts
      12/24 31 pts
      16/24 50pts
      18/35 45 pts
      9/23 38pts
      13/32 37 pts 16 rbds
      16/25 35 pts
      15/22 35 pts

      Why? Teams always felt they could single Battier on Melo. This is why teams don’t single Melo.

    39. massive

      art vandelay:
      Not sure if you folks have Insider, but Hollinger´s Per Diem today on Lin´s TO issues and the Knicks in general as a potential challenger to Chi/Mia is by far the most optimistic and actually quite complimentary article I have ever seen him write about NYK and an NYK player in particular.

      It’s probably by default. It’s taboo to say bad things about the Linsane Knicks right now.

    40. Nick C.

      @ 38 it may be semantics but I always assumed orating was just points/100 possession based on the Pts/FGA, FTA numbers. I understand what you mean by usage just like I understand it doesn’t mean 5 Steve Kerrs would score 116 if given 100 possessions. It’s just points/FGA – oreb + TO + .44 FTA or something very close.

    41. Juany8

      Usage Rate might be the lost misleading stat in the entire NBA. Imagine a possession where Lin runs a pick and roll, holds and dribbles the ball around until he finds Novak spotted up in the corner, then passes him the ball for an easy scoring opportunity, however Novak instead passes to JR since his defender is closing hard on him, and JR gets and makes a good 3 point shot. By statistical measures, especially usage, Jeremy Lin gets absolutely no credit for the possession even though the ball was in his hands most of the time. The pick and roll drew the defense away from Novak, but neither Lin, nor the screener, get any credit for being the primary offensive action that possession. A far more relevant and revealing stat would be to measure how much time a player has the ball in his hands, or how often a player draws double teams, which is clearly more important than the Novak pass in the above example, even though Novak is getting the assist.

      Offensive rating is literally a measure of the kinds of shots you are allowed or made to take. It’s not like players independently decide when they are going to take shots, Steve Kerr only takes a shot when he is open for a 3 point shot. That means if the defense decides to stop Kerr from being an offensive threat, they will no questions asked, but no matter how well he shoots, defenses will still gladly leave him to go put extra pressure on Jordan. It seems ridiculous that these fantastic shooters are constantly left open, but it’s because they’re constantly regarded as the easiest people on the team to simply prevent from taking a shot, wasting shot clock.

    42. Frank

      Juany8:

      Usage Rate might be the lost misleading stat in the entire NBA.

      It seems ridiculous that these fantastic shooters are constantly left open, but it’s because they’re constantly regarded as the easiest people on the team to simply prevent from taking a shot, wasting shot clock.

      The definition of a possession is definitely a huge weak point in statistical analysis. It looks only at the final result (shot/foul/TO) and not at how you got there. I understand you need to define a “possession” somehow, and the current definition is what’s all over the place now so we’re stuck, but like the non-crediting of an assist when it leads to a shooting foul, it’s just not close to perfect.

      Re: leaving shooters wide open – that’s why Riley hated double-teaming players when he was coaching the Knicks in the 90s. It was straight up defense all the time = one of the greatest defenses of all time.

    43. ruruland

      Juany8:
      Usage Rate might be the lost misleading stat in the entire NBA. Imagine a possession where Lin runs a pick and roll, holds and dribbles the ball around until he finds Novak spotted up in the corner, then passes him the ball for an easy scoring opportunity, however Novak instead passes to JR since his defender is closing hard on him, and JR gets and makes a good 3 point shot. By statistical measures, especially usage, Jeremy Lin gets absolutely no credit for the possession even though the ball was in his hands most of the time. The pick and roll drew the defense away from Novak, but neither Lin, northe screener, get any credit for being the primary offensive action that possession. A far more relevant and revealing stat would be to measure how much time a player has the ball in his hands, or how often a player draws double teams, which is clearly more important than the Novak pass in the above example, even though Novak is getting the assist.

      Offensive rating is literally a measure of the kinds of shots you are allowed or made to take. It’s not like players independently decide when they are going to take shots, Steve Kerr only takes a shot when he is open for a 3 point shot. That means if the defense decides to stop Kerr from being an offensive threat, they will no questions asked, but no matter how well he shoots, defenses will still gladly leave him to go put extra pressure on Jordan. It seems ridiculous that these fantastic shooters are constantly left open, but it’s because they’re constantly regarded as the easiest people on the team to simply prevent from taking a shot, wasting shot clock.

      Well put.

    44. Brian Cronin

      Heat players are claimed to be saying they won’t “allow” Lin to score 10 points tonight.

      I mean, don’t get me wrong, if you, like, triple Lin, then yeah, he won’t score 10. But that makes no sense. So what a weird thing to say.

      By the way, I also enjoyed Hollinger’s PER DIEM today about the Knicks, although I disliked the comment that this Knicks team will be the first Knicks team to be a force in the spring in two decades. They made the NBA Finals in 1999!

    45. nicos

      Nick C.:
      nicos says:
      February 22, 2012 at 11:16 pm

      I think on those leak outs, no I know the third where he got pissed Landry drove, another IIRC Lin did, so, assuming my memory is correct, it’s a bit disingenuous to hypothesize about Amare being the shooter. I’ll grant you its not entirely his fault Clyde kept saying the guards have to get back.

      The first one Amar’e took the shot. On the second (and on a couple of the others) he was on the baseline cutting to the hoop as the secondary cutter on a pick and roll. On those plays it’s Fields and Melo’s responsibility to get back in transition. On one play Melo just points at Josh Smith while backpedalling casually when there was no one else to cover Smith. Fields was basically nowhere to be seen- the fact that Amar’e actually ran back to be the closest guy to whatever Hawk happened to be laying in the ball doesn’t mean those breaks were his fault.

    46. Nick C.

      nicos: The first one Amar’e took the shot.On the second (and on a couple of the others) he was on the baseline cutting to the hoop as the secondary cutter on a pick and roll.On those plays it’s Fields and Melo’s responsibility to get back in transition.On one play Melo just points at Josh Smith while backpedalling casually when there was no one else to cover Smith.Fields was basically nowhere to be seen- the fact that Amar’e actually ran back to be the closest guy to whatever Hawk happened to be laying in the ball doesn’t mean those breaks were his fault.

      fair enough

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