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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Feb 21 2013)

  • [New York Times] Lakers Beat Celtics 113-99 on Emotional Night (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:40:08 GMT)
    Los Angeles Lakers owner Jerry Buss loved to win. He especially relished beating the Boston Celtics.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Snap 6-Game Skid, Beat Suns 108-98 (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 06:03:47 GMT)
    Klay Thompson had 28 points and eight rebounds, David Lee finished with 19 points and 11 boards and the Golden State Warriors snapped a season-high, six-game losing streak by beating the Phoenix Suns 108-98 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Nets 97, Bucks 94: Nets Rally Past Bucks and Close In on Division Lead (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:36:55 GMT)
    Deron Williams scored 23 points and C. J. Watson added 17, helping the Nets come back from an 11-point deficit late in the third quarter.

  • [New York Times] Harden Scores 46, Rockets Rally Past Thunder (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:54:55 GMT)
    James Harden finally beat his former team on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pacers 125, Knicks 91: In Their First Game After the All-Star Break, the Knicks Are No-Shows (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:37:56 GMT)
    The Knicks did not take their thrashing from the Pacers with grace: While giving up 74 points in the first half alone, they whined to officials and argued with one another.

  • [New York Times] Pacers Rout Knicks, Pull Closer to Second in East (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:21:54 GMT)
    The Indiana Pacers looked ready for the playoffs. The New York Knicks looked like they wanted a longer All-Star break.

  • [New York Times] Streaking Grizzlies Take Bite Out of Raptors (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:21:39 GMT)
    The Memphis Grizzlies, playing against Rudy Gay for the first time since trading their top scorer to Toronto, scored an 88-82 victory over the Raptors on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Balanced Scoring Carries Mavs Past Magic, 111-96 (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:18:44 GMT)
    Shawn Marion and Elton Brand scored 17 apiece, Vince Carter again provided a spark off the bench and the Dallas Mavericks beat the Orlando Magic 111-96 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Nets Hang On to Beat the Bucks 97-94 (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:09:51 GMT)
    Deron Williams scored 23 points and Brooklyn escaped with a 97-94 victory over the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday night after Monta Ellis missed a chance to tie the game with three foul shots in the final seconds.

  • [New York Times] Irving Scores 35 as Cavs Defeat Hornets 105-100 (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:01:10 GMT)
    Kyrie Irving scored 20 of his 35 points in the fourth quarter to lead the Cleveland Cavaliers to a 105-100 win over the New Orleans Hornets on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] James Has 24, Streaking Heat Beat Hawks 103-90 (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:46:22 GMT)
    Miami scored the first 13 points of the fourth quarter to erase Atlanta’s 10-point lead and the Heat, led by LeBron James’ 24 points, beat the Hawks 103-90 on Wednesday night to extend their season-best winning streak to eight games.

  • [New York Times] Pekovic Powers Wolves Over Philly 94-87 (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:46:16 GMT)
    Nikola Pekovic had 27 points and tied a career high with 18 rebounds to power the Minnesota Timberwolves to a 94-87 victory over the Philadelphia 76ers on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Monroe, Knight Lead Pistons Over Bobcats 105-99 (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:04:03 GMT)
    Greg Monroe scored 10 of his 19 points in the fourth quarter, stepping up with Brandon Knight on the bench nursing a hyperextended right knee, to lead the Detroit Pistons to a 105-99 victory over the Charlotte Bobcats on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Randolph Leads Grizzlies Past Raptors 88-82 (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:01:20 GMT)
    Zach Randolph had 17 points and 18 rebounds, Mike Conley scored 17 points and the Memphis Grizzlies won their fifth straight game Wednesday, beating the Toronto Raptors 88-82.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Quiet Trade Deadline as Teams Ponder Cap Penalties (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:59:53 GMT)
    There had been plenty of talk but very little action by Wednesday evening, with the deadline looming at 3 p.m. Eastern on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Unexpected Detour Leads to a New Home: Israel (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:40:02 GMT)
    Ramel Bradley grew up in Brooklyn dreaming of an N.B.A. career. He is playing professionally at 28, but he plays for a team in Israel, not the United States.

  • [New York Times] Rockets Make 6-Player Trade With Kings (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:39:55 GMT)
    The Houston Rockets acquired No. 5 pick Thomas Robinson and forwards Francisco Garcia and Tyler Honeycutt from Sacramento on Wednesday for forward Patrick Patterson, center Cole Aldrich and point guard Toney Douglas.

  • [New York Daily News] Can’t keep Pace: Slow, unorganized Knicks blown out by Indiana (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:08:53 GMT)
    Mike Woodson’s reeling team was embarrassed by a more athletic and disciplined Indiana Pacers team that crushed the Knicks, 125-91. The no-show performance on the eve of the NBA trade deadline will undoubtedly have the Knicks’ reclusive front office seriously considering a move.

  • [New York Post] It’s time to push panic button (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:02:46 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS â?? Mike Woodson said earlier this week he wasn’t going to “panicâ? over the Knicks’ disappointing showing before the NBA All-Star break â?? when they lost three of their last four and looked mediocre for much of January and February.
    Well guess what? It’s time to panic.
    At the…

  • [New York Post] Knicks pasted by Pacers (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:27:33 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS â?? The Knicks hadn’t played in a week because of the All-Star break. It looked like they hadn’t played in a year.
    They are a mess, and picked the worst time to show their worst qualities on the eve of the trading deadline.
    In their first game out…

  • [New York Post] Woodson: Knicks can beat Heat without trade (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:28:33 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS â?? As much as they investigated, the Knicks are expected to stand pat at Thursday’s 3 p.m. trading deadline for the second straight year.
    The reasons are partly because of their awkward mix of contracts and partly because the franchise feels it can topple the defending-champion Miami Dream…

  • [New York Post] Shump still in slump (Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:55:39 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS â?? Iman Shumpert had a companion during his All-Star break trip to Houston, where he did some promotional appearances.
    The Knicks coaches and video staff gave him a DVD of his highlights from last season, when he made the All-Rookie first team. Shumpert hasn’t been the same player since…

  • 58 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Feb 21 2013)

    1. Hubert Davis

      The Eastern Conference standings picked me up a little bit this morning. As did confirming that Derrick Rose’s is still unwilling to play until (as someone on here joked recently) the laws of math have been broken (110%).

      So there’s a little cushion. The Celtics are too far back. The Hawks are probably about to concede the season. The worst case scenario I see for us is Rose comes back and Chicago gets the 3 seed, and Brooklyn pass us, in which case we’re the 5th seed and playing Brooklyn, which isn’t going to be much different from being the 4 seed and playing Brooklyn (they won’t have home court advantage against us). And that’s not terrible, it just reverses the order in which we play Miami and Chicago/Indiana.

      As long as this stretch (and the tough one coming up) doesn’t sink us to the 6 seed, it’s disheartening but ultimately irrelevant if we manage the rest of the season properly. We need Kidd rested by the playoffs. Someone break his pinky or something. Shumpert needs to be in form by April. JR needs his head screwed on straight. And one of Camby/Sheed needs to be healthy.

      Oh, and most importantly, Carmelo Anthony needs to not be burned out.

      If we make those our priorities and achieve them, we’ll be fine.

      Alas, I don’t think our esteemed General is thinking the same way. I fear him running Melo, Felton, and Kidd into the ground. Bringing Sheed & Camby back too early and they get reinjured. And I fear the front office doing something stupid today (not Shump for JJ, I don’t like that move but it’s not bad. I mean something stupid.)

      So I’m off the ledge, but still fearful our continued lack of big picture vision will push me back on it soon. How’s everyone else doing?

    2. Juany8

      Grunwald has still been a good gm, this bad stretch does have a lot to do with injuries even though all the guys are playing. What is actually starting to worry me more is the training staff. JR is pretty much the only serious player on the team that hasn’t had an injury while on the Knicks. Woodson is basically playing 7 players, and the lack of depth at the frontcourt means pretty much everyone is playing out of position. The backcourt is in shambles too, Felton Melo and Chandler are pretty much the only players giving the Knicks anything, and Melo looks like he can’t jump.

    3. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Hubert Davis: confirming that Derrick Rose’s is still unwilling to play

      I was in shock when I read the ESPN.com comments about Rose’s “refusal” to play. I mean, I know people on the internet are stupid, but can you blame him? At all?

      I’m reminded of the scene in Hoop Dreams when William hurts his knee at the All-American camp and limps off the floor and to the back of the bleachers so the coaches wouldn’t see him in pain. And later when his coach at St. Joe’s treats him like tainted goods when he doesn’t play as well as he did before his first ACL surgery.

      It’s no one’s health but his own. I can’t believe that anyone should judge a guy for making the best decision for himself.

    4. Frank

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: I was in shock when I read the ESPN.com comments about Rose’s “refusal” to play. I mean, I know people on the internet are stupid, but can you blame him? At all?

      I don’t blame him even a little. Rose is not the franchise (I sort of the Thibs is to be honest), but he’s probably their only real hope of taking them over the top to the NBA finals. For a guy who is 100% reliant on his athleticism, he needs to be right before he comes back. And my feeling is that his injury was worse than Shump’s — from the beginning they were calling Shump’s recovery 6-8 months, and if I remember correctly, Rose was billed as an 8-12 month recovery. Some of that might be different MDs being more/less conservative in their estimates, but a lot of that could be the details of the injury even if they both had torn ACL/MCL.

    5. d-mar

      Woody has to stop with the stubbornness and make a change to the starting lineup. Right now we’re getting zero from Shump and Kidd, so the offense becomes Melo and maybe Felton and that’s obviously not working. Try something else, maybe start Copeland again, I just can’t take these slow starts any more. And once Sheed comes back, start him or Amare and send Kidd to the bench.

    6. Frank

      d-mar:
      Woody has to stop with the stubbornness and make a change to the starting lineup. Right now we’re getting zero from Shump and Kidd, so the offense becomes Melo and maybe Felton and that’s obviously not working. Try something else, maybe start Copeland again, I just can’t take these slow starts any more. And once Sheed comes back, start him or Amare and send Kidd to the bench.

      We may have seen the beginning of that with Amare starting the 2nd half in place of Shump.

      Meanwhile, if there was ever a player that I’d like to test for PEDs, it’s Lance Stephenson. I get that he’s still young and maybe has put in a ton of work, but the knock on him was always lack of athleticism, and suddenly now he looks like a 22 year old Gerald Green out there dunking in traffic?

    7. hoolahoop

      The knicks have the ugliest offense in the NBA.
      When is Woodson going to get in Melo’s face and tell him to pass the f’ckn ball? . . . good ball movement is winning basketball. . .to find the best shot, the high percentage shot – not your best player taking the worst shot.
      I know, I know. Melo is God and everyone else sucks so he has to shoot every time he gets the ball. And why is he bringing the ball up so often? Serves no useful purpose, whatsoever.
      Now, kill me for dis’ing the messiah.

    8. flossy

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: I can’t believe that anyone should judge a guy for making the best decision for himself.

      I understand Rose’s thinking, but I also understand the frustration on the part of the fans. It’s not like he’s forfeiting salary or anything by taking his sweet time, and his public statements have basically been to the effect of “I could play, but I won’t.”

      Now, I think February is a stupid time to get worked up about that, but if he’s singing the same tune in April I think Bulls fans would be justified in their unhappiness. Remember how much shit Jeremy Lin took for not playing in the first round because his knee wasn’t 100%? People expect stars to play through some pain.

    9. hoolahoop

      Kidd is not dead. Nor did he age a decade in the last few weeks. He’d flourish if the ball was moving. His court vision is as good as anyone’s. Everyone stands around and takes turns playing one on one.

    10. flossy

      hoolahoop:
      The knicks have the ugliest offense in the NBA.
      When is Woodson going to get in Melo’s face and tell him to pass the f’ckn ball? . . . good ball movement is winning basketball.. .to find the best shot, the high percentage shot – not your best player taking the worst shot.
      I know, I know. Melo is God and everyone else sucks so he has to shoot every time he gets the ball. And why is he bringing the ball up so often? Serves no useful purpose, whatsoever.
      Now, kill me for dis’ing the messiah.

      Who should he have passed it to? Jason Kidd, shooting like 20% from the field since New Year’s? Shumpert, eFG% down to .395? Felton, with his eFG% of .450? Everyone’s favorite T-1000 efficiency machine got plenty of touches last night and it made no difference.

      If no guard can hit a single open shot, Melo can pass the ball ’til he passes out and it won’t help.

    11. flossy

      hoolahoop:
      Kidd is not dead. Nor did he age a decade in the last few weeks. He’d flourish if the ball was moving. His court vision is as good as anyone’s. Everyone stands around and takes turns playing one on one.

      Even Clyde and Breen remarked that ball movement was not the issue, to start the game. The Knicks bricked every open look they got (and also played some of the worst defense I have ever seen).

      Jason Kidd has been so awful that if he did a few shots before driving home I’m sure he’d miss the telephone pole this time.

    12. hoolahoop

      flossy: Who should he have passed it to?Jason Kidd, shooting like 20% from the field since New Year’s?Shumpert, eFG% down to .395?Felton, with his eFG% of .450?Everyone’s favorite T-1000 efficiency machine got plenty of touches last night and it made no difference.

      If no guard can hit a single open shot, Melo can pass the ball ’til he passes out and it won’t help.

      Same old lame argument. I predicted your reply in my initial post.
      Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone sucks so Melo shouldn’t move the ball.

    13. hoolahoop

      flossy: Even Clyde and Breen remarked that ball movement was not the issue, to start the game.The Knicks bricked every open look they got (and also played some of the worst defense I have ever seen).

      Jason Kidd has been so awful that if he did a few shots before driving home I’m sure he’d miss the telephone pole this time.

      Wrong. Breen’s mantra is that the knicks play too much one on one.

    14. DS

      hoolahoop -

      Don’t you think Kidd has been connecting at a much worse rate on the open looks that he has managed to get lately?

    15. Frank

      flossy: Jason Kidd has been so awful that if he did a few shots before driving home I’m sure he’d miss the telephone pole this time.

      lol sweet line.

      Here are Kidd’s per-36 numbers in 2013 — mind you this is 500 minutes – not that small a sample.

      6.5 points, 4.9 reb, 4 assists, 2.4 steals.
      TS 42.5%

      These are not acceptable numbers from a starting shooting guard. In February he’s been even worse – 4 points, 3.2 assists, 5 rebounds per 36, with a TS of 28.5.

      These are ridiculous numbers. If Woodson is going to hold players accountable, you cannot have a player playing this many minutes when his production has been this horrific over 20 games. That’s a quarter of the season!!!! Shump has been bad, but at least he can guard someone.

      My feeling is that Kidd’s back is worse than he is letting on. So fine – take the entire month of March off and get healthy again. The Knicks will be better for it probably in both the short and long term.

    16. jon abbey

      hoolahoop:
      Kidd is not dead. Nor did he age a decade in the last few weeks. He’d flourish if the ball was moving. His court vision is as good as anyone’s.

      holy cow is this wrong. do you actually watch these games? he looks like a putrid mix of Mike Bibby and Landry Fields the last month or so, he is killing us as I’ve been saying for weeks.

    17. Frank

      hoolahoop: The knicks have the ugliest offense in the NBA.

      This is just a ridiculous statement. Hoola, I know you show up anytime the Knicks go through a bad stretch to troll Carmelo Anthony, but do you realize that the Knicks have the #3 offense in the NBA? Even in the month of February when we’ve struggled so much, we’ve averaged 108.5 points/100 possessions, which is not so different from our season average of 108.9. The offense has been miserable the last 2 games, but overall the offense has been really really good.

      I’m sure you haven’t actually looked at any data, but do you realize how horrible the Knicks have been without Melo on the floor this month? Melo is a net + 28 points/100 poss when he’s on the floor. TWENTY EIGHT. Even Tyson is only a +18. This team basically falls apart anytime he’s not on the floor. You can point your finger lots of places during this bad stretch, and certainly Melo has had a few bad games recently, but Melo is not the problem.

    18. JC Knickfan

      Playing Kidd extend minutes when Felton was out broke Kidd. The solution seems like he need some extend rest with some light shooting practice. 1 week off seem reasonable.

    19. jon abbey

      JC Knickfan:
      Playing Kidd extend minutes when Felton was out broke Kidd. The solution seems like he need some extend rest with some light shooting practice. 1 week off seem reasonable.

      he did just have a week off with the ASB, and it didn’t seem to help one bit.

    20. Frank

      btw does anyone realize that Copeland is the 2nd rated PNR roll man in the whole league at 1.45 PPP? Tyson is #3 at 1.43. Cope is also the 53rd rated spot-up shooter. Kid (NOT Kidd) needs to play more. He’s awful on defense, true, but I feel like that can be schemed for.

    21. massive

      I hope somebody in the back court remembers how to shoot soon. This team has one offensive threat starting as of late, and that’s Carmelo Anthony. We will continue to lose if we don’t get reliable production out of the 1st unit.

    22. Frank

      massive:
      I hope somebody in the back court remembers how to shoot soon. This team has one offensive threat starting as of late, and that’s Carmelo Anthony. We will continue to lose if we don’t get reliable production out of the 1st unit.

      He’s not a backcourt guy, but maybe Novak should start in place of Kidd and move Shump to the 2. That lineup has an OffEff of 123.

    23. cgreene

      Frank: Yeah he needs like a month off. Come back in April.

      So then there is no Kidd, no Camby, no Wallace, White is useless, Thomas is useless and Copeland is only an NBA player sometimes. ( useful players. Still love the roster?

    24. cgreene

      Frank: He’s not a backcourt guy, but maybe Novak should start in place of Kidd and move Shump to the 2.That lineup has an OffEff of 123.

      Agreed

    25. cgreene

      It’s really bumming me out that Woodson has the rotations so wrong. I really believe it is ruining the rhythm of the team. It was interesting that he said we are 8-5 w this starting lineup instead of actually looking at how the lineup was producing.

    26. massive

      You know who would be a great steal if at all possible? Tyreke Evans. He has a reputation as an inefficient chucker, but he has a TS% north of 55 on a usage of 23.8%. He seems like a buy low kind of guy right, and I wonder if anyone is kicking the tires on him.

      And my point wasn’t that Melo is a backcourt guy as much as it is about our backcourt’s being terribly inefficient and that they need to return to form. I guess mentioning Melo through that off a bit.

    27. hoolahoop

      DS:
      hoolahoop -

      Don’t you think Kidd has been connecting at a much worse rate on the open looks that he has managed to get lately?

      Yes he has. But, the looks aren’t really as good as they were earlier in the season. When the ball was whipping around everyone was getting better shots.

    28. hoolahoop

      jon abbey: holy cow is this wrong. do you actually watch these games? he looks like a putrid mix of Mike Bibby and Landry Fields the last month or so, he is killing us as I’ve been saying for weeks.

      I agree. He looks awful. But, so does the knicks offense. Kidd is not athletic anymore, but he’s a genius on the court. He makes the right pass, the important steal, the big shot. HOWEVER, he can only do that in a cohesive offense that moves the ball and plays as a team. The knicks offense style: everyone stand around and watch Melo. If you get the ball, take a shot because you’re not getting it back.

    29. hoolahoop

      jon abbey: holy cow is this wrong. do you actually watch these games? he looks like a putrid mix of Mike Bibby and Landry Fields the last month or so, he is killing us as I’ve been saying for weeks.

      However, I do think Kidd should be playing less minutes.

    30. d-mar

      If the Knicks somehow right the ship and win their next 4, this debacle will be long forgotten. Simple as that – beat Toronto, Philly, GS and Washington – and get a positive mindset back. Things can turn around pretty quickly.

    31. Hubert Davis

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: I was in shock when I read the ESPN.com comments about Rose’s “refusal” to play. I mean, I know people on the internet are stupid, but can you blame him? At all?

      I’m reminded of the scene in Hoop Dreams when William hurts his knee at the All-American camp and limps off the floor and to the back of the bleachers so the coaches wouldn’t see him in pain. And later when his coach at St. Joe’s treats him like tainted goods when he doesn’t play as well as he did before his first ACL surgery.

      It’s no one’s health but his own. I can’t believe that anyone should judge a guy for making the best decision for himself.

      I don’t blame him even a little, either, and I hope my words didn’t make it sound like I did.

      I did, however, note the contrast between the way Derrick Rose was treated and Jeremy Lin was when he said he was 85% by the playoffs. Jeremy, in my opinion, was unfairly lambasted for making that comment (mostly by idiots who refused to distinguish between playing at 85% and being 85% recovered from an injury) much more than Rose has been.

    32. PC

      This will sound strange – but I spent the entire length of Shump’s playing time in the first quarter just staring at his legs while in motion.

      It was sad. He isn’t ready yet and he’s out there gingerly running and trying to defend. He shouldn’t be on the court. Next game, someone please try just watching his legs – its so obvious he is favoring his bad knee and trying not to commit to a pivot and explode of off it.

      A few times I glanced up at his arms and so him toss some bricks – looked like he was recovering from elbow surgery up there too.

      Jason Kidd I didn’t look at much. Because I can just watch my dad play basketball on Sunday mornings to see what a washed up bum looks like.

    33. jon abbey

      d-mar:
      If the Knicks somehow right the ship and win their next 4, this debacle will be long forgotten. Simple as that – beat Toronto, Philly, GS and Washington – and get a positive mindset back. Things can turn around pretty quickly.

      even just beating Toronto would help a lot, but it’s hard (for me anyway) to be especially optimistic about that when they just lost to them at MSG.

    34. Juany8

      PC:
      This will sound strange – but I spent the entire length of Shump’s playing time in the first quarter just staring at his legs while in motion.

      It was sad. He isn’t ready yet and he’s out there gingerly running and trying to defend.He shouldn’t be on the court.Next game, someone please try just watching his legs – its so obvious he is favoring his bad knee and trying not to commit to a pivot and explode of off it.

      A few times I glanced up at his arms and so him toss some bricks – looked like he was recovering from elbow surgery up there too.

      Jason Kidd I didn’t look at much.Because I can just watch my dad play basketball on Sunday mornings to see what a washed up bum looks like.

      Lol that Jason Kidd line was hilarious. It’s really incredible how many players have just fallen apart this season. I know some of it is the old guys, but Felton missed a month, Brewer has become worthless, Shump clearly isn’t ready… Woodson should just pull a Poppovich move and just start resting people. Screw seedings, the Knicks aren’t beating anyone if they’re running out a hobbled rotation

    35. danvt

      Certainly, it’s time to adjust our expectations for this team.

      That’s sad because I realistically only have 30 to 35 seasons left to be a Knicks fan. Presuming it takes three years before a true rebuilding process begins, then, even if we manage to get a Durant and a Westbrook in successive drafts, it’s probably another five year window before we can really think about competing at the highest level, we’re looking at the better part of a decade. Of course, if Dolan is still in charge, chances are it doesn’t work, leaving me with about two more decades, two more chances to burn it down and build it up again. My window is closing. When the Ewing era was underway, I thought to my horror, that if he didn’t get a championship I might be in my forties by the time they won. Now, I’m starting to feel like a Cubs fan. OH GOD FUK YOU DOLAN.

      So, here we are. Lebron is Coke, Melo is Pepsi, OKC is McDonalds, we’re Burger King. We didn’t get Lebron, but Hey, Amar’e is ALMOST as good. Now, let’s max out every bit of future flexibility we have in an attempt to make this flawed construct work. HOU, IND, DEN, among others have all proven to be deeper teams with better players.

      I’m trying to recover my optimism after turning off the game when Amar’e peed himself in the second quarter but it’s not working. They say you’re never as bad as your worst loss or as good as your best win. You could say that they knew it would be too tough to win on the road coming off the break and they mailed it in and the effort will improve but I’m afraid that these guys are just a bunch of lazy entitled babies. I mean, that game was non competitive and you go and get a technical? You’re gonna blame the officiating? REALLY?

      My worst fear right now is a gigantic collapse and tumble into the bottom half of the playoff picture or worse. My second biggest is that they somehow manage to win enough games to get our hopes up and then just blow up emotionally on…

    36. DRed

      Juany8: Lol that Jason Kidd line was hilarious. It’s really incredible how many players have just fallen apart this season. I know some of it is the old guys, but Felton missed a month, Brewer has become worthless, Shump clearly isn’t ready… Woodson should just pull a Poppovich move and just start resting people. Screw seedings, the Knicks aren’t beating anyone if they’re running out a hobbled rotation

      Melo has also been getting worse every month. If we don’t make any deals I think the only changes we can make are to play Prigs more and maybe give Amare a few more minutes. (assuming he can stop fouling enough to stay on the court) Otherwise, I don’t know what else we can do with the current roster. Brewer can’t even play in a blowout, Copeland isn’t good, James White is useless, Kurt Thomas-the man is 76 years old, and everyone else is hurt.

    37. flossy

      Juany8: Lol that Jason Kidd line was hilarious. It’s really incredible how many players have just fallen apart this season. I know some of it is the old guys, but Felton missed a month, Brewer has become worthless, Shump clearly isn’t ready… Woodson should just pull a Poppovich move and just start resting people. Screw seedings, the Knicks aren’t beating anyone if they’re running out a hobbled rotation

      I couldn’t believe anyone of any importance was still out there in the 4th, let alone Melo. If I were Woodson I’ve had started Prigs, White, Brewer, Cope, and Novak to start the second half and let them play out the game while the rest of the players sat there with a chance to think about what they did.

    38. Hubert Davis

      massive:
      You know who would be a great steal if at all possible? Tyreke Evans. He has a reputation as an inefficient chucker, but he has a TS% north of 55 on a usage of 23.8%. He seems like a buy low kind of guy right, and I wonder if anyone is kicking the tires on him.

      It’s a great call. But I think the entire league is kicking the tires on every Kings player after that heist last night.

    39. Hubert Davis

      d-mar:
      If the Knicks somehow right the ship and win their next 4, this debacle will be long forgotten. Simple as that – beat Toronto, Philly, GS and Washington – and get a positive mindset back. Things can turn around pretty quickly.

      We said that after the Philadelphia debacle, then we won 5 straight at home, and we’re right back here talking about it. This isn’t going away until some fundamentals are addressed.

    40. Hubert Davis

      PC:
      This will sound strange – but I spent the entire length of Shump’s playing time in the first quarter just staring at his legs while in motion.

      This made me think of Frank Ocean at the grammy’s.

      “Iman Shump, Iman Shump:”

    41. Hubert Davis

      Juany8: Woodson should just pull a Poppovich move and just start resting people. Screw seedings, the Knicks aren’t beating anyone if they’re running out a hobbled rotation

      I am 100% in agreement. I would actually give Kidd the rest of the year off if it was possible. Give him a few games to warm up in April, and hope that he can put together 1 month in the playoffs like the first month he had here.

      And please, Mike Woodson, PLEASE…in the big picture, it’s better to lose a few games in the winter than to burn Melo out playing 44 minutes because offense isn’t working.

      Long term, we are better off letting these guys shoot themselves straight, losses be damned, than we are letting Melo cover up the cracks by doing more than his share.

    42. hoolahoop

      PC: Jason Kidd I didn’t look at much. Because I can just watch my dad play basketball on Sunday mornings to see what a washed up bum looks like.

      That’s funny!!

    43. danvt

      PC: Because I can just watch my dad play basketball on Sunday mornings to see what a washed up bum looks like.

      That’s kind of mean to your Dad.

    44. BigBlueAL

      Looks like the Knicks are trading Brewer to OKC. Since they traded Maynor to Portland cant see who the hell the Knicks will get from OKC worth anything.

    45. DS

      BigBlueAL:
      Looks like the Knicks are trading Brewer to OKC.Since they traded Maynor to Portland cant see who the hell the Knicks will get from OKC worth anything.

      Source?

    46. dogrufus

      Welp, this is the kind of game that really makes me feel sore that everyone circled the wagons and rallied behind Dolan when we gave away Lin to the Rockets for nothing so we could sign the worst guard rotation in the NBA.

      We’re a .500 team going forward, the start was fool’s gold. Every single player we have is trending downard off a cliff. Look at Melo’s monthly splits. Kidd falling into an abyss was pretty much the most predictable outcome possible of signing a 39 year old vet who hasn’t been good in years to a long-term guaranteed deal.

      Lin is better than any PG we will be able to get in the next 3 years and we let him go for literally NOTHING.

      It’s really incredible how one smart guy in Houston can just run circles around the entire league over and over and over. Shouldn’t be surprising when most teams are owned by trust fund morons like Dolan.

      This is a 45 win team, and only because we had a lucky hot start. We have literally 0% chance of beating CHI or IND in the playoffs. We simply don’t score vs. great defenses unless they allow us to. Doubt we can beat the Bucks either, since we give Redick 12 wide open threes a game.

      Get ready to watch three to five (maybe if we play the Nets) disappointing playoff games to conclude the season.

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