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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Feb 02 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] No rest for Amar’e and Melo (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:09:53 GMT)

    MIKE D’ANTONI sounds optimistic that he will have Amar’e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony for all three games over the next three nights as the Knicks get to see what they’re made of. But as for his own immediate future, D’Antoni knows the heat is still on, even with his Knicks coming off an easy win over the dreadful Pistons. NEW YORK DAILY NEWS MIKE D’ANTONI sounds optimistic that he will have Amar’e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony for all three games over the next three nights as the Knicks get to see what they’re made of.

 

 

 

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Teams Fare All Right in Back-to-Back-to-Backs (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:20:10 GMT)

    N.B.A. teams as a whole are not performing poorly in the three-games-in-three-nights stretches they have been forced to play at times in this strike-shortened season. 

 

  • [New York Times] Paul, Griffin Lead Clippers Past Jazz, 107-105 (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:54:33 GMT)

    Chris Paul scored a season-high 34 points and Blake Griffin added 31 as the Los Angeles Clippers held on for a 107-105 victory over the Utah Jazz on Wednesday night. 

 

  • [New York Times] Blazers Hand Bobcats 10th Straight Loss, 112-68 (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:03:29 GMT)

    Jamal Crawford scored 24 points in 21 minutes, helping the Portland Trail Blazers rout Charlotte 112-68 on Wednesday night for the Bocbats’ 10th straight loss and the worst in franchise history. 

 

  • [New York Times] Duncan and Parker Lead Spurs Over Rockets (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:33:30 GMT)

    Tim Duncan scored 25 points and Tony Parker added 24 to help the San Antonio Spurs rally for a 99-91 victory over the Houston Rockets on Wednesday night. 

 

 

  • [New York Times] Westbrook, Durant Lead Thunder Past Mavericks (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:18:39 GMT)

    Russell Westbrook scored 33 points, Kevin Durant added 23 points and 13 rebounds, and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Dallas Mavericks 95-86 on Wednesday night. 

 

  • [New York Times] Nash Leads Suns Past Hornets, 120-103 (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:12:39 GMT)

    Steve Nash became the Phoenix Suns’ all-time leader in assists and set a season-high for points while he was at it. 

 

  • [New York Times] Bucks Win 105-97, Beat Heat Again (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:54:50 GMT)

    Brandon Jennings scored 31 points, including three 3-pointers in a critical stretch of the fourth quarter, and Milwaukee beat Miami 105-97 on Wednesday night for the Bucks’ second win over the Heat this season. 

 

  • [New York Times] Granger’s 36 Leads Pacers Past Wolves, 109-99 (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:45:37 GMT)

    Danny Granger scored 29 of his 36 points in the second half to help the Indiana Pacers blow by the Minnesota Timberwolves, 109-99, on Wednesday night. 

 

 

  • [New York Times] Celtics Go Above .500 With 100-64 Rout of Raptors (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:33:31 GMT)

    Paul Pierce had 17 points and eight assists and the Boston Celtics crept above .500 for the second time this season with a 100-64 rout of the Toronto Raptors on Wednesday night. 

 

  • [New York Times] Magic Snap Skid With 109-103 Win Over Wizards (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:07:08 GMT)

    Ryan Anderson scored 23 points, including six 3-pointers, to help the Orlando Magic snap a four-game losing streak with a 109-103 victory over the Washington Wizards on Wednesday night. 

 

  • [New York Times] Iguodala Leads 76ers Past Bulls 98-82 (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 02:33:45 GMT)

    Andre Iguodala helped the Philadelphia 76ers stamp themselves as a rising threat in the East, scoring 19 points and grabbing nine rebounds in a 98-82 victory over the Chicago Bulls on Wednesday night. 

 

  • [New York Times] The N.B.A. Is Missing Its Shots in China (Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:47:19 GMT)

    China loves basketball. But as American players and the N.B.A. itself have discovered, the country has its own rules. 

70 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Feb 02 2012)

  1. JoMo

    So just to offer an overly-optimistic opinion:

    If I’m a player on this team, I’m able to look at the game against the Pistons as a major indicator of what this team should be accomplishing. The ball movement was exceptional compared to any other game this season, and obviously the shots were falling – but I don’t see how they can’t have the following thought in their heads:

    “Hmmm, we moved the ball and got easy buckets. Even if they’re not falling, those are much higher percentage shots that are clearly activating our offense better than asenine ISO plays. We should do this every game!”

    I know that theory has a high likelihood of going to shit if Melo sees us down, and desperately tries to be a hero … for 3+ possessions in a row, completely negligent of how disruptive it is for the whole team.

    I scored awesome tickets for tonights game, and hope to be very drunk and very rowdy, and very much within earshot of everyone on the court. So if you can think of anything clever you’d like said directly to any players please suggest away! The only player I dont like on Chicago is Rip Hamilton, and the only thing I can even think to yell is, “THIS GUY LOOKS LIKE A BURN VICTIM!”

  2. Gideon Zaga

    Watching Chicago last night, I saw Philly turn defense into offense, I think with the ball pressure of shump and some quick hands here and there we should be able to do the same. The problem will be allowing the defense to set with both teams. And looking at the defensive scheme of the bulls, they don’t allow middle penetration and their defense on the side pick and roll is pretty solid, this means the Knicks can exploit the elbow and weakside with Melo and Amare, thereby allowing fields to go under the rotating defense. Easier said than done though.

  3. d-mar

    JoMo:
    So just to offer an overly-optimistic opinion:

    If I’m a player on this team, I’m able to look at the game against the Pistons as a major indicator of what this team should be accomplishing. The ball movement was exceptional compared to any other game this season, and obviously the shots were falling – but I don’t see how they can’t have the following thought in their heads:

    “Hmmm, we moved the ball and got easy buckets. Even if they’re not falling, those are much higher percentage shots that are clearly activating our offense better than asenine ISO plays. We should do this every game!”

    I know that theory has a high likelihood of going to shit if Melo sees us down, and desperately tries to be a hero … for 3+ possessions in a row, completely negligent of how disruptive it is for the whole team.

    I scored awesome tickets for tonights game, and hope to be very drunk and very rowdy, and very much within earshot of everyone on the court. So if you can think of anything clever you’d like said directly to any players please suggest away! The only player I dont like on Chicago is Rip Hamilton, and the only thing I can even think to yell is, “THIS GUY LOOKS LIKE A BURN VICTIM!”

    How about “please let us win, we need this game a hell of a lot more than you do”?

  4. Eternal OptiKnist

    I’m so glad I avoided the embarassment of publicly counting on Baron Davis. How laughably stupid.

  5. JK47

    The much-ballyhooed “ball movement” is a lot easier to achieve when you’re facing a horrifically awful defensive team that is completely bereft of perimeter defense. It’s no surprise we looked great against the Pistons– they’re the one team in the NBA that gets even worse guard play than the Knicks.

    Let’s see how easy it is to effortlessly move the ball around against the Bulls, who are the #4 defense in the league and who play defense with incredible focus and discipline. We’ll see hero-ball again because that is the only thing they will give us, and because we don’t have any guards who can penetrate.

    I’ll be surprised if we crack 80 points in this one.

  6. Eternal OptiKnist

    According to Mike D’antoni… “no timetable” for return. A short while ago it was all smiles and speculation of a return in a few days. It’s gotten really gloomy on that front lately. You just get the sense it ain’t working out too well.

  7. JoMo

    JK47:
    The much-ballyhooed “ball movement” is a lot easier to achieve when you’re facing a horrifically awful defensive team that is completely bereft of perimeter defense.It’s no surprise we looked great against the Pistons– they’re the one team in the NBA that gets even worse guard play than the Knicks.

    Let’s see how easy it is to effortlessly move the ball around against the Bulls, who are the #4 defense in the league and who play defense with incredible focus and discipline.We’ll see hero-ball again because that is the only thing they will give us, and because we don’t have any guards who can penetrate.

    I’ll be surprised if we crack 80 points in this one.

    JK47:
    The much-ballyhooed “ball movement” is a lot easier to achieve when you’re facing a horrifically awful defensive team that is completely bereft of perimeter defense.It’s no surprise we looked great against the Pistons– they’re the one team in the NBA that gets even worse guard play than the Knicks.

    Let’s see how easy it is to effortlessly move the ball around against the Bulls, who are the #4 defense in the league and who play defense with incredible focus and discipline.We’ll see hero-ball again because that is the only thing they will give us, and because we don’t have any guards who can penetrate.

    I’ll be surprised if we crack 80 points in this one.

    Only slightly less optimistic than what I was putting out there. I like to think that a good performance that deviates from the standard of how they’ve been playing, even against an awful team, will make this game competitive. I mean (all statistical and observational basketball aside), MIL just beat Miami for the second time this season…

  8. Nick C.

    Eternal OptiKnist: According to Mike D’antoni… “no timetable” for return. A short while ago it was all smiles and speculation of a return in a few days. It’s gotten really gloomy on that front lately. You just get the sense it ain’t working out too well.

    So whoever said “no pop” is ho D’Antoni described Azubuike may have been onto something or able to crack D’Antoni’s code.

  9. d-mar

    Eternal OptiKnist:
    According to Mike D’antoni… “no timetable” for return.A short while ago it was all smiles and speculation of a return in a few days.It’s gotten really gloomy on that front lately.You just get the sense it ain’t working out too well.

    Well his agent did say in late December that it would be 8 weeks. We were just hoping he was being pessimistic.

  10. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    And to Doug Chu, I’ll write what I want, thanks.

    When people stop making stupid claims without taking the 90 seconds to verify them through Basketball Reference, I’ll stop being a little bit giddy when someone cross-references and finds that the “the Nuggets got blown out in the Playoffs last year!” cohort is speaking in bullshit.

    This is a stats-oriented blog, so I expect everyone to be at least attempting to support their claims with evidence, NOT conjecture.

  11. Nick C.

    I believe last year there was a poster Doug Chu with a similar avatar to Doug.

    I think this from yesterday may not say blown out but smoked is pretty much the same thing.

    your last paragraph – Denver hasn’t proven anything outside the regular season. They were the hottest team in the league going into the playoffs and then were smoked by OKC, who was then smoked by Dallas 4-1. So I’m not sure why you feel so comfortable that they will be such a great playoff team going forward, other than gut feeling, and everyone’s entitled to one of those

  12. Gideon Zaga

    OK so they won one game because Westbrick decided to take 30 shots and ended up getting benched. 4-0 is swept, 4-1 is smoked what’s the difference cock? it’s the playoffs you get blown out if you only win one game.

  13. Eternal OptiKnist

    Nick C.: So whoever said “no pop” is how D’Antoni described Azubuike may have been onto something or able to crack D’Antoni’s code.

    I never saw that post, but that’s pretty astute. Something is definitely up there. I told y’all to pretend he didn’t exist!

    By the way, i smell a win tonight despite Bulls being a better team, coming off an embarassing loss. I have no statistics to support this conjecture :) THCJ – you complete me. Keep us posted on Faried, i did like him at draft time. I must admit i was happy about Shump though..something about his personality and the way he carries himself seemed mature and ready for a city like NY. Streaky shooting aside, i think he’s going to be fine. Seems like we treat him more like a rook now which is good though…had to bring him back to earth. Needs to stop rapping though; uber-lame.

  14. gransoporro

    JK47: The much-ballyhooed “ball movement” is a lot easier to achieve when you’re facing a horrifically awful defensive team that is completely bereft of perimeter defense. It’s no surprise we looked great against the Pistons– they’re the one team in the NBA that gets even worse guard play than the Knicks.Let’s see how easy it is to effortlessly move the ball around against the Bulls, who are the #4 defense in the league and who play defense with incredible focus and discipline. We’ll see hero-ball again because that is the only thing they will give us, and because we don’t have any guards who can penetrate.I’ll be surprised if we crack 80 points in this one.

    You’re right when you mention Detroit’s defense. However part of that good ball movement was due to players movement and spacing.

    Another question is: will the open shots fall or not? Because apart from last game and the Heat one, I don’t remember them falling. If they don’t, we are left with little options.

    I am curious to see our defensive effort as well.

  15. Ben R

    JK47:
    The much-ballyhooed “ball movement” is a lot easier to achieve when you’re facing a horrifically awful defensive team that is completely bereft of perimeter defense.It’s no surprise we looked great against the Pistons– they’re the one team in the NBA that gets even worse guard play than the Knicks.

    Let’s see how easy it is to effortlessly move the ball around against the Bulls, who are the #4 defense in the league and who play defense with incredible focus and discipline.We’ll see hero-ball again because that is the only thing they will give us, and because we don’t have any guards who can penetrate.

    I’ll be surprised if we crack 80 points in this one.

    The big thing about ball movement is it is more necessary not less necessary vs teams with good defense. The Knicks need to stay disciplined on offense and keep moving the ball and running the offense even if we miss some open shots or Chicago gets some steals or great defensive stops.

    As soon as we stop trying to move the ball Chicago has won defensively. The worst thing we could do is make a couple early mistakes and then abandon the offense and watch Melo go 10-30 as we lose by 20. We need to keep moving and running the offense even when we are struggling.

    They give us iso hero ball because they win if we revert to iso hero ball. Trust the offense and each other and we will be fine.

  16. JoMo

    For all of us getting douched by the TWC and MSG dispute, know that XXX has been seized and is officially down for the count. Can anyone provide an alternate means of watching games? I’ve been banking on firstrow all season thus far.

  17. Gideon Zaga

    So Melo is gonna be a starter on the all star team, the coaches will probably vote amare in and the last centre spot will be between TC, Roy Hibbert, maybe Verjao and Bosh will probably get snubbed.

  18. SangaD

    fans like Gideon are the reason we stay in a funk, who wants to play for people like that. thats how you get the best out of someone lets completely humiliate him especially before a big game. guys we know that TD is capable of better, we could just be working with some guy we have no idea what he can or cant do, this guy we kno. Settle down he will wake up if he hasnt already just cant ask for too much. TD lets GO sUn, to another team eventually, but tonight lets show these mofos what they will miss.

  19. Gideon Zaga

    come on man, why am I the poster child for FANS WHO MAKE US SUCK, how about THCJ he’s quite popular on that front. Anyhow Toney if I remember correctly was drafted because of his stellar defense but he is not the athlete Rose is but Shump vs Rose should be fun.

    SangaD:
    fans like Gideon are the reason we stay in a funk, who wants to play for people like that. thats how you get the best out of someone lets completely humiliate him especially before a big game. guys we know that TD is capable of better, we could just be working with some guy we have no idea what he can or cant do, this guy we kno. Settle down he will wake up if he hasnt already just cant ask for too much. TD lets GO sUn, to another team eventually, but tonight lets show these mofos what they will miss.

  20. Frank

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    When people stop making stupid claims without taking the 90 seconds to verify them through Basketball Reference, I’ll stop being a little bit giddy when someone cross-references and finds that the “the Nuggets got blown out in the Playoffs last year!” cohort is speaking in bullshit.

    I believe it was me that said the Nuggets got smoked by OKC – and I would still call losing a series 4-1 pretty much a blowout. Regardless of how close some of the games were, the Nuggets were nowhere close to winning that series. It wasn’t 4-2 or 4-3 where the series was really in doubt. It was a 5 game can of whoop-ass. It wasn’t a total ass-kicking like we got from the Celtics, but it wasn’t so far off. We were “really close to winning” 2 out of the 4 games also. Doesn’t change the fact that we got SMOKED.

    Anyway whatever – I am done living in the past, constantly having to worry about why we didn’t draft Ty Lawson and Dejuan Blair, and why some team in the Mountain time zone is the greatest team ever constructed when they haven’t done anything yet except lose in the first round to a team that couldn’t win more than 1 game against Dallas in the WCF.

  21. Ben R

    Frank – The only reason I argue about the Nuggets is because I am sick of people justifing the Melo trade by saying that you need a player like Melo to win and trying to build a smartly constructed team like Denver or the team we were trying to build pretrade is silly and no matter how good they are it doesn’t matter without a “superstar” like Melo. Because their style doesn’t win in the postseason. Which is what I call BS on.

    I occasionally watch Denver, they are entertaining, but we never had Lawson or Nene or Afflalo so it’s not like we had a chance to have that team anyway. Do I regret trading Gallo and Mozgov and Chandler, sure I do, but we did and that’s done so it is now time to try and win with what we have.

    Also I think we need to take a lesson from Denver and try and emulate their ball movement as much as we can because the ball stopping offense we have now is painful.

  22. Gideon Zaga

    You know what kind of offense is played in the playoffs, yes you guessed it. Ball stopping offense. I don’t even need to prove it, disprove this for me please.

    Ben R:
    Frank – The only reason I argue about the Nuggets is because I am sick of people justifing the Melo trade by saying that you need a player like Melo to win and trying to build a smartly constructed team like Denver or the team we were trying to build pretrade is silly and no matter how good they are it doesn’t matter without a “superstar” like Melo. Because their style doesn’t win in the postseason. Which is what I call BS on.

    I occasionally watch Denver, they are entertaining, but we never had Lawson or Nene or Afflalo so it’s not like we had a chance to have that team anyway. Do I regret trading Gallo and Mozgov and Chandler, sure I do, but we did and that’s done so it is now time to try and win with what we have.

    Also I think we need to take a lesson from Denver and try and emulate their ball movement as much as we can because the ball stopping offense we have now is painful.

  23. hoolahoop

    JoMo:
    For all of us getting douched by the TWC and MSG dispute, know that XXX has been seized and is officially down for the count. Can anyone provide an alternate means of watching games? I’ve been banking on firstrow all season thus far.

    That sucks.

  24. hoolahoop

    JoMo:
    For all of us getting douched by the TWC and MSG dispute, know that XXX has been seized and is officially down for the count. Can anyone provide an alternate means of watching games? I’ve been banking on firstrow all season thus far.

    Just as I read i heard on the radio that the government seized 16 sites for illegal broadcasts, nine owned by one guy.

  25. Gideon Zaga

    I understand ball movement is fun,its good its produces more, exploits rotating defenses and stuff like that, but I saw Tim Duncan ball stop his way to 4 rings mainly on a post hook/turnaround banker. Iso ball isnt bad at all, our team is just not using it effectively. Even the famous triangle relies on a post iso to facilitate ball movement. The Isos i hate are the lebron ones 1 on 1 with a live dribble but the post isos that gasol and howard often employ or even Kobe/Melo isos where they post with their back to basket or can face up into a triple threat stance is very valuable. This is basically what Orlando does, low post, double team kick out and then ball movement. This is why i have always advocated that Amare develop some back to the basket post skills.

  26. MSA

    Frank: I believe it was me that said the Nuggets got smoked by OKC – and I would still call losing a series 4-1 pretty much a blowout. Regardless of how close some of the games were, the Nuggets were nowhere close to winning that series.

    I didn’t want to get into the Nuggets discussion, but I don’t think its fare to compare last year Knicks playoff to the Nuggets.

    This whole argument it’s pretty much the same as points differential and pythagorean wins.

    Knicks had -8.4 and in four games was expected to lose all of them while the Nuggets lost with -3.2 and was expected to win between 1 and 2 games of 5.

    You can argue that the Nuggets wasn’t going to win the series anyway, and I guess that’s right, but the only one that got smoked last year was the Knicks.

    Sorry for my English, I’m a international fan :)

  27. Shad0wF0x

    It’s the Lebron/Melo Iso from 20ft from the basket that’s really detrimental. The one where they dribble for 16 seconds and then jack up a shot.

    Good ISO is like when Al Jefferson got into a great low post position against DeAndre Jordan and got off an easy layup.

    At the very least, there’s going to be

    02.02 – Chicago TNT
    02.03 – Boston ESPN
    02.04 – New Jersey YES Network

  28. Brian Cronin

    If D’Antoni seriously gets fired if they lose these two games, then they sure as hell better win one of them. Coach Woodson would be so bad. Sadly, I can’t even say, “I’d rather have ___,” as there is no one else on the Knick bench that I’d prefer. Herb Williams is a lovely man, but he’d be worse than Woodson.

    Then again, the Grizzlies made the second round of the playoffs with Johnny freakin’ Davis as their coach, so maybe it won’t be a problem (of course, my nightmare has been “barely making the second round with Woodson, therefore ensuring he is the coach next year” I will take my nightmare scenario at the moment, though, for as bad as it means for the future of the organization, at least I get to see two rounds of playoff basketball in that scenario!).

  29. Gideon Zaga

    Exactly my point, only that Melo has only be doing 20ft isos this season, Karl always made sure he had it on the right or left elbow 15 ft and below. It’s not his fault that Dantonis pick and roll offense leaves him with the ball with 7 seconds standing on the 3pt line. Now if he was Kevin Durant that will be a different story. You just gotta maximize the talents of your players.

    Shad0wF0x:
    It’s the Lebron/Melo Iso from 20ft from the basket that’s really detrimental. The one where they dribble for 16 seconds and then jack up a shot.

    Good ISO is like when Al Jefferson got into a great low post position against DeAndre Jordan and got off an easy layup.

    At the very least, there’s going to be

    02.02 – Chicago TNT
    02.03 – Boston ESPN
    02.04 – New Jersey YES Network

  30. Ben R

    Having a low post presence and ball stopping are two different things. Dumping into the post and then either making a quick move to the basket or a kick out when the double starts to arrive is great basketball. You can hold it longer but honestly the low post player should probably only have the ball for a couple seconds before making a move either to score or pass. So even low post players shouldn’t ball stop.

    Could Denver use a better low post presence? Sure they could. Nene doesn’t do it enough and Harrington is too streaky but they are good without it and will continue to be good without it in the playoffs as well.

    The game of basketball doesn’t fundimentally change just because it is the postseason. Starters get more minutes and more rest so older or thinner teams will tend to do better and young, deep teams will do worse but these are small changes to overall efficiency. A great offensive team like Denver will still be a great offensive team in the playoffs with or without a reliable low post presence.

    There are many different ways to create mismatches and get the defense off balance, forcing doubles in the low post is a great one as is getting dribble penetration or exploiting the pnr. I don’t buy that one or another is as a rule more or less effective in the postseason compared to the regular season. If it works it works.

    When Denver loses in the playoffs this year it will be due to defense not an inability to score.

  31. Frank

    I sort of believe that postseason ball is a completely different game, if only because everyone is giving max effort all the time as opposed to the loafing that most players do on and off throughout any regular season game.

    Re: “A great offensive team like Denver will still be a great offensive team in the playoffs with or without a reliable low post presence.” –

    Denver was #1 in the league offensive efficiency at 109.5 P/100poss. Playing against a league average defense in the playoffs (OKC was 13th in defensive efficiency during regular season), they averaged nearly a full 10 points/100poss less at 99.8.

    FWIW – With Melo and Chauncey, Denver was 2nd in postseason offensive efficiency in both 08-09 and 09-10 at ~110 points/100 poss. It was their defense that sucked.

    I know we’re talking tiny samples here, but still…

  32. Gideon Zaga

    In my opinion, most teams that survive say the first round have a strong defense going for them across the board, I think the constant variable of playoff teams is their, now the problem is the ability to score on these said defenses. look at the recent Eastern conference finals, Chicago clearly had the better defense of the two teams but they just couldn’t score on Miami’s equally but less tough defense. Same in the finals, Dallas zoned their way to the title while being able to score on Miami’s superior defense. So it’s really not about who can play better defense, it’s about who can score on the superior defenses.

    Ben R:
    Having a low post presence and ball stopping are two different things. Dumping into the post and then either making a quick move to the basket or a kick out when the double starts to arrive is great basketball. You can hold it longer but honestly the low post player should probably only have the ball for a couple seconds before making a move either to score or pass. So even low post players shouldn’t ball stop.

    Could Denver use a better low post presence? Sure they could. Nene doesn’t do it enough and Harrington is too streaky but they are good without it and will continue to be good without it in the playoffs as well.

    The game of basketball doesn’t fundimentally change just because it is the postseason. Starters get more minutes and more rest so older or thinner teams will tend to do better and young, deep teams will do worse but these are small changes to overall efficiency. A great offensive team like Denver will still be a great offensive team in the playoffs with or without a reliable low post presence.

    There are many different ways to create mismatches and get the defense off balance, forcing doubles in the low post is a great one as is getting dribble penetration or exploiting the pnr. I don’t buy that one or another is as a rule more…

  33. danvt

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: This is a stats-oriented blog, so I expect everyone to be at least attempting to support their claims with evidence, NOT conjecture.

    This from a guy who doesn’t value in game coaching, thinks anyone who disagrees with him is either not using statistics or using them to justify what they already think (as if they’d be valuable for anything else), thinks basketball players are unchanging automatons who simply play to their bubble gum cards, and is generally disrespectful in every single post.

  34. danvt

    conjecture |k?n?jek ch ?r|
    noun
    an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information : conjectures about the newcomer were many and varied | the purpose of the opening in the wall is open to conjecture.

    Everything on this blog is conjecture.

  35. max fisher-cohen

    I hope this is OK (delete if it’s not) but there is a perfectly legal and free stream of all TNT and ESPN games. ESPN games are broadcast free on the web via espn3.com. TNT broadcasts are available (again, free) on TNT Overtime: http://www.tnt.tv/sports/nba/overtime12/

    TNT web broadcasts are a little wacky in that it’s meant to complement the TV broadcast, so there’s lots of weird camera angles, and I think there are no color commentators, but it’s better than nothing.

  36. d-mar

    On a completely different subject, while we bemoan Melo’s “ball stopping” STAT’s puzzling drop off, TD’s worthlessness, etc. etc. I’d like to point out one real positive this season: Tyson Chandler. It’s just such a pleasure to have a guy who will guard every opposing center one on one, no help needed, who doesn’t need the ball on offense, and who hustles his butt off on every possession. Oh and he really really hates to lose.

    In a season of doom and gloom, he’s been a bright spot, and come playoff time (playoffs, you talking playoffs?) he will become even more valuable.

  37. Brian Cronin

    Chandler is awesome. I hope he makes the All-Star team. It’d be hard to get two guys on to the All-Star team when the team is so far under .500 (let alone three if Amar’e gets picked by the coaches as a forward), but here’s to hoping!

  38. Shad0wF0x

    As far as I’m concerned only Tyson Chandler deserves to be on All-Star team. Amar’e/Dirk/Pau have no business in this year’s team.

  39. Frank

    @44 and @45 – I freaking love Tyson Chandler too. I was out of town when they played Orlando — but sounds like they did tons of doubling on Dwight — I thought that was the reason to get someone like TC, so they wouldn’t have to do that?

    Anyway, for all the moaning and groaning about the Melo trade, I think it would have been difficult to get TC without that trade because we got him with cap-space and with Billups’s contract amnesty. So other than the draft picks, that might have been the only way to get our big man. Time will tell whether or not trading Gallo/WC/Felton/Mozgov/AR+picks+all future flexibility for Melo and TC was worth it. It’s not an obvious answer though. If we can somehow get a real PG (Baron this year, Nash next year, etc.) then it might all work out.

  40. Brian Cronin

    Anyway, for all the moaning and groaning about the Melo trade, I think it would have been difficult to get TC without that trade because we got him with cap-space and with Billups’s contract amnesty.

    They’d have had the cap-space to get him without the trade. Curry plus Azubuike alone matches Chandler’s salary. And if they had gotten creative (like trading Turiaf for a second-rounder) they wouldn’t even have had to renounce Wilson Chandler.

  41. Robert Silverman

    A bit off topic, but can anyone recommend a bar in NYC to watch the Knicks? I’m looking for decent wings, a general lack of lunk-headed guys in white baseball caps, and vague cleanliness.

  42. Brian Cronin

    A bit off topic, but can anyone recommend a bar in NYC to watch the Knicks? I’m looking for decent wings, a general lack of lunk-headed guys in white baseball caps, and vague cleanliness.

    I watched a game at a bar around 39th street and 3rd ave that matched that description (I especially liked the buffalo sauce on the wings). I’ll try to get the name for you.

  43. daJudge

    Robert, sorry I can’t help you much, but it sure sounds like fun. There must be a million places that fit the bill. How about City Crab? It’s on Park Avenue South (east side of street) and like 24th street. I watched the tournament down there one year when I was hanging with my buddies. I actually sat next to a Duke cheerleader. Pretty decent food, good screens. For those out of the City, I switched to Direct TV and I’m pretty happy. On demand not so hot, but great sports access.

  44. Owen

    “A bit off topic, but can anyone recommend a bar in NYC to watch the Knicks? I’m looking for decent wings, a general lack of lunk-headed guys in white baseball caps, and vague cleanliness.”

    I think we may have sat next to each other at Ryan’s once. I don’t do sports bars that much but I like Professor Thom’s….

  45. Robert Silverman

    Owen:
    “A bit off topic, but can anyone recommend a bar in NYC to watch the Knicks? I’m looking for decent wings, a general lack of lunk-headed guys in white baseball caps, and vague cleanliness.”

    I think we may have sat next to each other at Ryan’s once. I don’t do sports bars that much but I like Professor Thom’s….

    That we did. Funny story – I was at Ryan’s watching a game in ’06 and considering how awful the Knicks were, I and one other person were the only ones at the bar paying attention. We started talking and somehow Wins Produced and KB came up and I realized it was Owen. Talk about random meetings…

  46. cgreene

    Robert, I too am going to be looking for a bar to watch (sans prego wife) more in the downtown area of the city. Let me know if you are around that area. Love to commiserate as DRose lofts a floater over the outstretched arm of TC to clinch it.

  47. Robert Silverman

    cgreene:
    Robert, I too am going to be looking for a bar to watch (sans prego wife) more in the downtown area of the city.Let me know if you are around that area.Love to commiserate as DRose lofts a floater over the outstretched arm of TC to clinch it.

    Will do. Looks like I’m going to the dreaded upper west side. (not my call)

  48. danvt

    Robert Silverman: A bit off topic, but can anyone recommend a bar in NYC to watch the Knicks? I’m looking for decent wings, a general lack of lunk-headed guys in white baseball caps, and vague cleanliness.

    Oh how I miss my beloved NYC!

  49. Z

    cgreene:
    .Love to commiserate as DRose lofts a floater over the outstretched arm of TC to clinch it…

    …with 3 minutes to go in the first half.

  50. hoolahoop

    Robert Silverman:
    A bit off topic, but can anyone recommend a bar in NYC to watch the Knicks? I’m looking for decent wings, a general lack of lunk-headed guys in white baseball caps, and vague cleanliness.

    It may be out of your way, but I found a bar near me that is laid back with a big screen and young cool bartender that likes to watch and talk knicks. They have RCN so they get games blacked out on t-w. 110th st btw Central Park West and Columbus in the high rise building on the North side of the street.
    Let me know if you go there. If I go i’ll introduce myself.

  51. hoolahoop

    UWS – so many places.
    Cleopatra;s needle 92/b’way
    blondies – but that may be what you described you did not want.
    there’s a nice sushi place with 3 big screens behind the bar…amsterdam or columbus in 70′s (i think)
    Sometime i just walk and find a place.

  52. hoolahoop

    Worst thing that can happen to the knicks is Melo get All Star MVP.
    then, forget about him ever changing his game.

  53. jon abbey

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:

    This is a stats-oriented blog, so I expect everyone to be at least attempting to support their claims with evidence, NOT conjecture.

    the thing is, as I’ve said numerous times before, the stat compiling process in the NBA is deeply flawed, so it’s hard to take precise analysis of it very seriously.

    example, first minute of the Detroit game: Shump Shump is guarding the DET PG one on one, reaches in, knocks the ball of his leg, turnover, NY ball. why is that not a steal?

    another macro example: why is a pass that leads directly to a foul and two made FTs not counted as an assist?

    and lastly: why when two teammates have an uncontested rebound, one is given full credit for it and the other one nothing? this is also the case with turnovers, which I think are constantly credited to the wrong person.

    you can say that’s nitpicking and things even out, blah blah blah, but I don’t buy it. when the quality of the record keeping of the fundamental stats improve, then I’ll be able to take basketball metrics more seriously. as it is now, nope.

  54. Owen

    While I won’t go as far as Jon, I would agree there is a lot of work to be done still. The more I have learned about basketball stats, the more complicated it has got.

    Watching on the TNT website, camera angles are CRAZY…

  55. Nick C.

    It’s the Amare show on O so far. The between the legs for a dunk … sweet. A three, not so much. Another dunk in the half court off a quick feed from Melo. Sandwiched by threes from Fields!

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