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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Dec 27 2012)

  • [New York Post] J.R. Smith’s baseline jumper gives Knicks last-second victory over Suns (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:13:06 -0500)

    AP
    Knicks guard J.R. Smith shoots the game-winning shot over Suns defender P.J. Tucker to give New York a 99-07 victory.

    PHOENIX â?” Carmelo Anthony is their MVP but J.R. Smith is their Miracle Man.
    With Melo out with a hyperextended knee and Raymond Felton gone for at…

  • [New York Post] Fractured pinkie fells Felton (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 03:58:24 -0500)
    PHOENIX â?? Will the Knicks ever get healthy and whole?Raymond Felton, the team’s starting point guard, said last night he has a fracture in his right pinkie, discovered following an X-ray. He added he will likely need surgery and be out four to six weeks.Bah, humbug. Carmelo Anthony…

  • [New York Post] Smith hits another buzzer-beater as shorthanded Knicks prevail (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 03:11:28 -0500)
    PHOENIX â?? Carmelo Anthony is the Knicks’ MVP, but J.R. Smith is their Miracle Man.
    With Anthony out with a hyperextended knee and Raymond Felton gone for at least a month with a broken pinkie, Smith saved the night in the Valley of the Sun. Smith hit his second buzzer-beater…

  • [New York Post] Melo’s injury not deemed serious (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 03:08:38 -0500)
    PHOENIX â?? Carmelo Anthony’s health and the Lakers don’t mix.
    Anthony missed last night’s thriller with a hyperextended knee he suffered on Christmas Day when Marcus Camby fell on his leg after the Knicks center tripped when driving to the bucket.
    Woodson said no tests are scheduled for…

  • [New York Newsday] J.R. Smith beats buzzer as Knicks stun Suns (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 01:39:56 EST)
    The first question to Mike Woodson before Wednesday night's game naturally was about the Knicks' several injuries coming out of Tuesday's loss to the Lakers.

  • [New York Newsday] Raymond Felton has fractured finger, says surgery is a possibility (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 01:01:00 EST)
    Raymond Felton knew the injury to his right pinkie finger might be more serious than he originally had hoped, but he still was not fully prepared for the diagnosis he got after a halftime X-ray here Wednesday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Smith nails buzzer-beater as Knicks top Suns (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 04:48:35 GMT)
    J.R. Smith caught an inbounds pass from Jason Kidd thrown with 1.0 seconds on the clock and drained a miracle jumper from the left side to give the Knicks a wild 99-97 win over the Phoenix Suns at US Airways Center Wednesday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Amar’e getting closer, targets Jan. 1 return (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 03:17:24 GMT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire still has some soreness and discomfort, and the expected date for a return has been pushed back.

  • [New York Times] Smith’s Baseline Jumper at Buzzer Beats Suns 99-97 (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:04:37 GMT)
    Without Carmelo Anthony and Raymond Felton, the New York Knicks still had enough to eke out a 99-97 victory in Phoenix, thanks to a pair of very late, very tough jumpers by J.R. Smith.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 99, Suns 97: Hobbled by Injuries, Knicks Win on Last Shot (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:29:16 GMT)
    Jason Kidd, the 39-year-old veteran, scored 23 points and recorded 8 assists, and J.R. Smith made a difficult jumper as time expired to lift the Knicks over the Suns on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Replay: Dec. 25 (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:49:15 GMT)
    The Celtics pounded the Nets, the Lakers stopped the Knicks and the Heat survived the Thunder.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Show No Mercy Against Injury-Depleted Raptors (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:28:27 GMT)
    The San Antonio Spurs took advantage of Toronto’s injury woes to snap the Raptors’ five-game winning streak with a 100-80 home victory on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Heat Add to Bobcats’ Slide (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:00:14 GMT)
    LeBron James had 27 points, 12 rebounds and 8 assists as the Miami Heat handed the host Charlotte Bobcats their 16th straight defeat.

  • [New York Times] Bucks 108, Nets 93: Nets Fall to Bucks as Deron Williams Sits With Wrist Injury (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:57:14 GMT)
    With Deron Williams on the bench with an injured wrist, the Nets continued to struggle offensively on Wednesday, losing for the 10th time in 13 games.

  • [New York Times] Trail Blazers Run Away From Kings, 109-91 (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:37:46 GMT)
    LaMarcus Aldridge had 28 points and 12 rebounds, and the Portland Trail Blazers beat the Sacramento Kings 109-91 on Wednesday night to avenge a loss on Sunday.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Snap Raptors’ 5-Game Winning Streak (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:37:40 GMT)
    Tim Duncan scored 15 points and the San Antonio Spurs rolled to a 100-80 victory over Toronto on Wednesday night, snapping the Raptors’ five-game winning streak.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Snap Raptors’ 5-Game Winning Streak (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:34:41 GMT)
    Tim Duncan scored 15 points and the San Antonio Spurs rolled to a 100-80 victory over Toronto on Wednesday night, snapping the Raptors’ five-game winning streak.

  • [New York Times] Brewer’s 27 Points Lead Nuggets Past Lakers (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:07:32 GMT)
    Corey Brewer matched his career high with 27 points and the Denver Nuggets overcame a 40-point effort by Kobe Bryant to beat the Los Angeles Lakers 126-114 on Wednesday night for their seventh straight win at home.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Beat Injury-Depleted Raptors (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:01:36 GMT)
    The San Antonio Spurs took advantage of Toronto’s injury woes to snap the Raptors’ five-game winning streak with an 100-80 victory on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Beat Jazz 94-83 (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 04:37:59 GMT)
    Stephen Curry scored 23 points, David Lee added 18 and the Golden State Warriors beat the Utah Jazz 94-83 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Edge Pistons in 2 OTs (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 04:10:53 GMT)
    Josh Smith scored 31 points, Al Horford added 22 and the Atlanta Hawks beat the Detroit Pistons 126-119 in double overtime on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Beat Nets for 13th Straight Time, 108-93 (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 03:49:36 GMT)
    Brandon Jennings scored 25 points, Monta Ellis added 20 points and a season-high six steals, and the Milwaukee Bucks beat the short-handed Brooklyn Nets for the 13th straight time, 108-93 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Wright, Hawes Lead Sixers Past Grizzlies 99-89 (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 03:49:32 GMT)
    Dorell Wright scored 28 points and Spencer Hawes had 20, season-highs for both, and the Philadelphia 76ers snapped a six-game road losing streak with a 99-89 victory over the Memphis Grizzlies on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Harden Rallies Rockets to 87-84 Over Timberwolves (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 03:46:32 GMT)
    James Harden scored 17 of his 30 points in the fourth quarter, and the Houston Rockets rallied to win their fifth straight, 87-84 over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Pacers-Bulls Postponed Because of Storm (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 03:01:25 GMT)
    The N.B.A. game between the Indiana Pacers and the Chicago Bulls was postponed by a snowstorm that hit the Indianapolis area. No new date for the game was set.

  • [New York Times] Hornets End 11-Game Losing Skid, 97-94 Over Magic (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 02:59:02 GMT)
    Robin Lopez had a season-high 29 points and Greivis Vasquez scored a season-best 27 as the New Orleans Hornets snapped an 11-game losing streak with a 97-94 victory over the Orlando Magic on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] James, Heat Hand Bobcats 16th Straight Loss 105-92 (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 02:58:54 GMT)
    It wasn’t pretty, but the Miami Heat avoided a big letdown and got the win they needed.

  • [New York Times] Irving’s 26 Leads Cavaliers Over Wizards 87-84 (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 02:37:47 GMT)
    Tristan Thompson’s three-point play with 24.4 seconds remaining gave the Cleveland Cavaliers their first two-game winning streak of the season as the Cavaliers beat the Washington Wizards 87-84 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] In N.B.A. on Christmas Day, at the Intersection of Religion and Realism (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 01:04:37 GMT)
    A day off would have been a merciful itinerary, but for roughly 450 of the world’s best basketball players, this is the life they have chosen, and many cherish: work on Christmas.

  • [New York Times] Heat 103, Thunder 97: Heat Beat Thunder in Finals Reunion (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 01:04:30 GMT)
    The Heat came away with the win once more, but given the quality of the teams and the playoff intensity, Miami and Oklahoma City could certainly meet again in June.

  • [New York Times] Lakers 100, Knicks 94: With Steve Nash Back, Lakers Get Even With Knicks (Thu, 27 Dec 2012 01:02:35 GMT)
    With star point guard Steve Nash running the show, the Lakers avenged a previous loss to the Knicks on Tuesday to move to .500 on the season.

  • 56 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Dec 27 2012)

    1. Z-man

      I suffered what is called a “mallet” injury with a fracture of my right pinky (I’m right handed) in September. It is a very common basketball injury and takes six weeks to heal. David Lee had a mallet injury to his middle finger last year and was out six weeks. What happens is that you can’t extend the finger tip due to the extensor tendon being ruptured, often taking a piece of bone with it. Not sure yet if this is what Felton has, but if yes, it is a bitch. I played for six weeks with a custom splint and couldn’t shoot worth a shit with it on. Now, three months later, my pinky tip is still very swollen and sore, and I can’t fully extend it, but it doesn’t affect my shot anymore.

      Honestly, I think this will be a good thing in that the bone bruises will have time to heal. Those things just don’t go away if you keep playing and you could tell he was really suffering with them.

    2. Brian Cronin

      I suffered what is called a “mallet” injury with a fracture of my right pinky (I’m right handed) in September. It is a very common basketball injury and takes six weeks to heal. David Lee had a mallet injury to his middle finger last year and was out six weeks. What happens is that you can’t extend the finger tip due to the extensor tendon being ruptured, often taking a piece of bone with it. Not sure yet if this is what Felton has, but if yes, it is a bitch. I played for six weeks with a custom splint and couldn’t shoot worth a shit with it on. Now, three months later, my pinky tip is still very swollen and sore, and I can’t fully extend it, but it doesn’t affect my shot anymore.

      Honestly, I think this will be a good thing in that the bone bruises will have time to heal. Those things just don’t go away if you keep playing and you could tell he was really suffering with them.

      Ouch, sorry Z-Man! My college girlfriend had the same injury. She was playing softball her senior year of high school and the softball hit the tip of her pinky dead on and just crushed it. Her pinky was just basically ruined for the rest of her life (you rarely notice that the pinky doesn’t move, of course. Heck, she played lead violin in the school orchestra, so it wasn’t like it limited her) but I imagine it would be a much bigger injury on an NBA player.

    3. Z-man

      Thanks, BC, as it turned out, I discovered that the pinky is not much of a factor in and of itself. I was still able to palm the ball withoug it, and once I got the splint off, it didn’t really affect my play at all (other than if it got hit!) That’s the silver lining here, no matter how his pinky heals, it shouldn’t affect Felton much afterwards. As opposed to the bone bruises in the thumb, which affect everything!

      re: your girlfriend, that is a very common injury for baseball players as well…in fact, some refer to it as “baseball finger.” Lots of people don’t get medical attention and think it will just heal up, but if the finger is not placed in a hyperextended position non-stop for 6 weeks, the tendon never regenerates and the finger stays permanently flexed. Funny how once it happened, people I knew told me stories of how it happened to them, and showed me their bent fingers that I never would have noticed otherwise!

    4. JC Knickfan

      Saw this
      Adrian Wojnarowski ?@WojYahooNBA
      The Brooklyn Nets have fired coach Avery Johnson, league source tells Yahoo! Sports.

    5. Frank

      Prokohorov is totally going to hire Jeff Van Gundy just piss off Dolan. And it’d be a great hire. Either JVG or SVG would be a huge upgrade.

    6. DS

      Frank:
      Prokohorov is totally going to hire Jeff Van Gundy just piss off Dolan. And it’d be a great hire. Either JVG or SVG would be a huge upgrade.

      Or Ewing!

    7. Brian Cronin

      Thanks, BC, as it turned out, I discovered that the pinky is not much of a factor in and of itself. I was still able to palm the ball withoug it, and once I got the splint off, it didn’t really affect my play at all (other than if it got hit!) That’s the silver lining here, no matter how his pinky heals, it shouldn’t affect Felton much afterwards. As opposed to the bone bruises in the thumb, which affect everything!

      re: your girlfriend, that is a very common injury for baseball players as well…in fact, some refer to it as “baseball finger.” Lots of people don’t get medical attention and think it will just heal up, but if the finger is not placed in a hyperextended position non-stop for 6 weeks, the tendon never regenerates and the finger stays permanently flexed. Funny how once it happened, people I knew told me stories of how it happened to them, and showed me their bent fingers that I never would have noticed otherwise!

      Yeah, Ronnie Lott famously lost the tip of his pinky and it did not affect his career (I featured that story as a Football Legends Revealed awhile back).

      Also, yeah, you’d never notice her bent pinky unless it was pointed out (well, except for the time in Freshman year when there were pins in her finger).

    8. lavor postell

      I don’t think SVG would be a great hire with the personnel that the Nets have. The thing is none of their talent really meshes well. DWill is best running a flex offense where he can multiple pick and rolls. JJ is a pure iso scorer. Brook Lopez is a traditional post-up center. These are their three main pieces and two of them (Williams and Johnson) have been declining over the past 2 seasons and has continued into this season.

      All of their contracts are also max deals which as of right now would be untouchable for virtually any team. They also have Gerald Wallace who is a nice piece, but age is also slowly eroding the energy and athleticism that really made him a special player. His work ethic is still incredible, but he is not the two way player he once was.

      The best part is that Billy King is still the GM. The guy is probably as stupid as Isaiah in terms of his capabilities in running a basketball team. He traded for a declining Wallace because he didn’t see any value in the draft outside of Unibrow and MKG. Hope he’s been enjoying watching Lillard perfect pNr play in Portland and Drummond surprising everybody in Detroit. At least he walked up Crash for the next 4 years at 10 mill per. This is a guy who gave Kris Humphries 2 years, 24 mill and then wasted the Nets’ mini MLE on Mirza Teletovic who barely gets any game time.

      The Nets are capped out much like we are, but for at least the next four years until Lopez, JJ and Wallace’s contracts expire. Not even sure how to clean that mess up, but their short-term view this summer in roster construction is biting them in the ass. They were desperate to make a splash which they did, but they are failing in their lofty goal of usurping the Knicks. But hey their apparel kind of looks cool so they’ve got that going for them which is nice.

    9. Nick C.

      I have to agree with Juan on the other thread. Avery seems to make teams into less than the sum of their parts. He is just riding the coattails of that finals run with Dallas as far as it can go.

    10. Die_Hard_Knick_Fan

      One of the points that I haven’t heard too often so far this season is how the Knicks have done when guys have gone down and guys that haven’t played yet. Obviously it was only the Suns last night but when you think who the Knicks had on the court sometimes it’s a great win. They were without Anthony, Felton, Stoudemire, Shumpert, and Wallace. For any other team that would be a solid starting lineup. When the Knicks are healthy they are going to be an even bigger surprise and a team that no one will be looking forward to playing against.

    11. JK47

      I’m not surprised at all to see the Nets struggling. I was much more surprised when they were playing well early in the season.

      The Nets would have been infinitely better off passing on the Deron Williams trade and holding onto the assets they gave up. They could have probably gotten the vastly superior Chris Paul with the assets they gave up in the D-Will trade: Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, a high lottery pick that turned out to be Enes Kanter and Golden State’s first rounder in next year’s draft.

      The Nets had the combination of assets you need to get a really great player in a trade, and they whiffed on D-Will, who turned out to be the most system-dependent player this side of Amar’e Stoudemire. Now their “Big 3″ is a league-average point guard, one of the most undesirable in the contracts in the NBA (Joe Johnson) and a mediocre center who lacks durability (Brook Lopez).

    12. ruruland

      “Guys got to be in the right spots and they have to be taught it and it has to be something that you practice on so guys can understand,” Howard said, visibly frustrated as he spoke. “They have to go through it. You just can’t talk about defense or talk about where to go. You actually have to show guys where to go.”

      D Howard

    13. Hubert Davis

      That team was poorly conceived from the start and built around overrated, overpriced talent. I said (elsewhere) all summer they were recreating the Marbury-era Knicks.

      It’s a shame because I really wanted to see a viable alternative to the stupid way business is usually done around here by NY’s second teams. It would have been interesting if, instead of trying to rile up the Knicks and focusing on trading all their valuable long term assets to go all in on a team that could finish as high as 5th they had gone the more intelligent route.

      That could very easily have been a team built around Derrick Favors, Brook Lopez, Klay Thompson, and Damien Lillard if they’d held on to their draft picks.

    14. Hubert Davis

      Nick C.:
      I have to agree with Juan on the other thread. Avery seems to make teams into less than the sum of their parts.He is just riding the coattails of that finals run with Dallas as far as it can go.

      I was actually quite impressed with what he’s gotten out of Blatche, and thought he masked some of the defensive inabilities of his roster as well as he could. But Deron Williams is a diva and needed to divert attention from the fact that, as far back as the Olympics this summer, he hasn’t been able to hold his own at the level he thinks he’s at.

    15. StatsTeacher

      Great post Lavor at #10.

      Ruru brings up a great point, Howard may still leave LA. The Dwightmare is not over.

      Nets are impatient as hell, true Johnson is not a very good coach — but I wouldn’t want to try & figure out how to use DWill and JJ — that back court may never work.

      The “Hollinger” (Hollinger’s replacement intern?) simulation-number-cruncher-rankings at ESPN didn’t like the Knicks losing to LAL, dropped them down a bit (7th I think).

    16. Nick C.

      They have some skills: when I have watched D-Will does seem to have court vision, passes that are a cut above ordinary and someone that can score low post is pretty uncommon these days.

      But onto the Knicks. It seems like every injury goes from harmless to day to day to weeks. If someone is more competent with linking check the Amare stuff. He was supposed to be back by the end of November. I don’t know that I would wish it. But it does provide a real life form of a scientific test for how an offense without high usage guys does (Felton, Melo) and how low usage guys adapt (Tyson, Kidd, Prigs, Brewer).

    17. Z-man

      Some are bummed that Felton will miss out on the opportunity to build chemistry with Amare w/ Melo from the get-go, but I think it is actually good that Kidd is going to play the lead PG role in the transition. Felton can sit back and see how it’s done, then follow suit on his return.

    18. cgreene

      2 things:

      1) There has been a lot of hand wringing over the organization’s secrecy around injuries and some of it is unwarranted especially directed at Woodson. I have listened to and read up on other teams’ reports and reactions to their own players’ injuries and their responses sound exactly the same as the Knicks. Sometimes the teams actually don’t know what the full extent of the injury is and don’t provide clarity for just that reason. I’d be interested to see a perspective on a specific claim the Knicks have made this season on an injury that seems egregious. I hate JD as much as the next guy but I don’t see validity on that claim in comparison to the rest of the league.

      2) Everyone is expressing concern over the Knicks offense w no Felton. I agree that losing his penetration (that’s what she said (: is a serious concern BUT I am way more concerned about the D. Kidd, bless his 39 year old heart, is a sieve on D containing penetration and Prigs is no better. This is the biggest concern added to the fact that the defense is already the problem. At least till Shump returns.

    19. Brian Cronin

      Some are bummed that Felton will miss out on the opportunity to build chemistry with Amare w/ Melo from the get-go, but I think it is actually good that Kidd is going to play the lead PG role in the transition. Felton can sit back and see how it’s done, then follow suit on his return.

      In theory, you’re absolutely correct, but Felton’s been playing with Kidd all season and does he look even a tad different than he has ever looked? He is not a bad player, he just is who he will always be. A decent player with good court vision (especially when it comes to the pick and roll) who is an adequate defender but has the career-long albatross of not being able to avoid shooting, even when it is clear he should not be shooting. I don’t think watching Kidd will change that at all.

    20. Z-man

      Agreed, I meant more in regard to positioning and spacing so that STAY, Melo and Chandler can coexist.

      As I said many times, it’s not about who starts but who finishes. JR, for example, is always on the floor at the end of games. STAT might accept not starting, but I doubt he will accept being on the bench at the end of games. Therefore I think it is critical that Kidd is the guy to figure out how to make things work. Frankly, I think Woody will defer to Kidd in figuring it out, and will make what works his own.

    21. max fisher-cohen

      Hollinger’s rankings are heavily weighted towards the last 10 games, so the reason the knicks dropped off is because the 20 point Miami blowout dropped out of that sample after the LA game. That blowout was inflating the Knicks’ win margin and SOS, which I believe are two of the three major components to his algorithm. The Knicks really haven’t had any decisive wins since then.

      As far as the Nets go, I agree that they are poorly conceived, something I’ve been saying about them ever since the Williams trade. The worst trade of all though was the Gerald Wallace trade. They essentially traded Damian Lillard for a 2.5 month rental of Wallace, whom they could have signed as a UFA during the offseason anyway, in a season that was already lost. That’s a move that could compete on the all time rankings in terms of just outright stupidity.

      The team the Nets really remind me of is Orlando. similar to the Magic with Howard, BKN’s management are so paranoid about Deron Williams that they allow his emotional mood swings to determine their moves. This approach is fine when the player in question is pushes for smart moves (kobe and CP3 come to mind), but Deron doesn’t seem to have much in the way of foresight.

      I am not an Avery Johnson fan at all. I disliked him as a player for similar reasons to why I never liked Ray Felton. He was one of those low talent guys who made a lot of noise (literally) and played really hard and was effective mostly due to his prudence (low turnover rate) but lacked creativity and rarely made standout plays. No one would have remembered him if not for the fact that he road Duncan and Robinson’s coattails to that title.

      As a coach, his most notable achievements are losing to the Warriors in the first round after the Mavs had earned the best record since the Jordan Bulls, and losing in the finals to probably the worst team to win an NBA championship in the history of the NBA.

    22. lavor postell

      I have to agree with Brian. It probably has to do with his over inflated ego which is probably why he loves the lights at the Garden so much. Remember Felton was one of the premier prospects growing up in his age bracket and then he went to UNC and helped to lead them to a championship before being drafted 5th overall.

      I love Felton’s swagger and confidence a lot and he has actually developed himself into a fairly accurate distance shooter. That being said he has this annoying penchant for shooting at innoportune times, when there are better options on the floor available to him. His ability to run the pick and roll and hit the roll man is great, but he struggles to take advantage of how much room Tyson opens up for him, which has to do with his truly atrocious mid-range and in game in terms of shooting.

      I’m really way more interested to see how a Kidd-JR-Melo-STAT-Chandler lineup performs. You’ve got three legit 3 point shooters, 2 excellent mid-range shooters, 2 of the best roll men in the league, 2 shot creators and a pg who commands respect and will not be overwhelmed. Defensively that could be a pretty good lineup as well.

    23. Z-man

      Let’s see:

      Portland
      San Antonio
      @Orlando
      Boston
      @indiana
      Chicago
      NO
      @Detroit
      Brooklyn
      @Boston
      @Philly
      Atlanta
      Orlando

      Very tough games:
      Boston x2
      SA
      @Indiana
      Chicago

      Likely wins:
      Portland
      Orlando x2
      NO
      @Detroit
      Atlanta

      Should win but tough:
      Bkln
      @philly

      So, pessimistically, say we go 3-4 in the tougher games and 4-2 in the likely wins, that would be a 7-6 month, putting us at 28-15 or 29-14 just past the halfway mark, depending how we do in SAC tomorrow.

      Optimistically, if we go 4-3 and 5-1, that would be a 9-4 month. I’d probably sign for 9-4 right now. That would put us at 31-12 or 30-13.

      Wow. Imagine contemplating 30 wins at the halfway point after all we’ve been through?

    24. KnickfaninNJ

      It’s weird that the Nets started off strong this season and then looked so bad. It’s like The league figured out some anti-Net defense that works wonders. I don’t know if Avery Johnson did anything wrong, but firing him is probably the only thing Nets management can do to improve things right now. They will probably at least get the normal new coach bump in performance.

    25. massive

      I’m looking forward to clocking Boston. They aren’t the same animal they used to be. Losing Ray Allen hurt that team more than his replacements Jason Terry and Courtney Lee would lead you to believe. The Cs don’t scare me.

    26. massive

      And I will never understand how NBA guards have trouble shooting open midrange jumpers. It makes me very upset watching Felton brick away.

    27. daJudge

      No. I was so down on the Knicks in preseason and hell, I’m smarter than that. But wow, this team is not just playing well, they have an excellent vibe. I’m a sucker for redemption stories and I hope JR breaks through this year, grows up and becomes the player he can be. This subtext is highly meaningful to me. Regarding Raymond, big loss but I feel that we will get through it fine. I think Prigs can play more minutes and JR may be ready for some limited point guard duties. My only fear is burning out Kidd.

      Z-man:
      Let’s see:

      Portland
      San Antonio
      @Orlando
      Boston
      @indiana
      Chicago
      NO
      @Detroit
      Brooklyn
      @Boston
      @Philly
      Atlanta
      Orlando

      Very tough games:
      Boston x2
      SA
      @Indiana
      Chicago

      Likely wins:
      Portland
      Orlando x2
      NO
      @Detroit
      Atlanta

      Should win but tough:
      Bkln
      @philly

      So, pessimistically, say we go 3-4 in the tougher games and 4-2 in the likely wins, that would be a 7-6 month, putting us at 28-15 or 29-14 just past the halfway mark, depending how we do in SAC tomorrow.

      Optimistically, if we go 4-3 and 5-1, that would be a 9-4 month. I’d probably sign for 9-4 right now. That would put us at 31-12 or 30-13.

      Wow. Imagine contemplating 30 wins at the halfway point after all we’ve been through?

    28. lavor postell

      If anybody has insider check out Pelton’s piece on the Nets. Great numerical breakdown of why this is a roster no elite coach will want to takeover and how unlikely a significant turnaround in both the short or long term is. It’s amazing how deluded the ownership and management of that team is in how they perceive their own talent level and their subsequent expectations.

      Williams, JJ, Lopez, Humphries, Blatche, Evans, Watson, Stackhouse and Brooks is a 50 win team at best. I can’t knock them too much on the Williams trade, purely because of his level of play preceding the trade and because a superstar is the most valuable commodity in the NBA. Almost all of their moves since have been foolish. Namely playing the waiting game with Dwight for a season and a half. The trade for Johnson robbed them of any ability to make a splash in the free agent market and then gave Lopez a max deal.

      Prokhorov is way more concerned about beating the Knicks than actually competing for a championship. Look at their contracts and you can tell there is no long-term planning happening there. It’s okay though since D-Will guaranteed at least 50 wins this year and Mikhail guaranteed a championship in 5. Year 3 of that cycle is looking great.

      On the other hand Orlando looks like they’ve received a decent package for Dwight. Certainly better than the trash the Nets were offering them. Vucevic looks like a nice player and it’s becoming more clear to me why Philly’s management were reluctant to include him in the deal. Afflalo has really stepped in nicely to pick up the scoring load and they have a lot of cap flexibility coming their way along with picks in the next few years. Vaughn also looks like he learned quite a bit in his time under Popovich. I’d certainly rather be in their situation than Brooklyn’s.

      The Battle for New York is over, the battle for an NBA championship is just beginning. Anytime you can work in a Lord of the Rings reference you have…

    29. Z-man

      Would love to see the Celts get waxed by the Clips tonight. Not sure we can sweep them next month, but feel very good about our chances. In fact, the only home game I’m not confident about is the Spurs, but even that game seems winnable.

      So much depends on STATs impact, and if and when Shump returns.

      I am also hoping that somehow we can get Novak untracked. He has been useless more games than not.

      I wonder if Camby will benefit from Sheed being out. He showed some signs in the last couple of games, but is worse than Jeffries on O.

    30. AvonBarksdale

      What would the salary tax be on the nets if they somehow paid for Dwight Howard straight up….even at the bare minimum on a 5 year deal it would be hilarious to watch that happen and then have them losing still and what about brook lopez?

    31. KnickfaninNJ

      I think the Nets will want a coach who is known for getting along with his players. This means SVG and maybe Mike Brown are unlikely. Phil Jackson would be perfect, but it’s hard to imagine him taking the job. Sloane is obviously out, and my mind is drawing a blank thinking of others. Can anyone suggest an experienced coach who is readily available and known for good relationships with players?

    32. mokers

      Interesting article via P&T:

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324461604578193822081005256.html

      The other striking thing about Chandler is how briefly he needs the basketball to make an impact. He almost never holds it for more than one second, with the lone exception being when a ballhandler takes a hand-off from him after coming around a screen.

      “It kind of seems like the only time he touches the ball is on an alley-oop or when he gets us a rebound,” said Jason Kidd, who won a title with Chandler in Dallas two years ago. “But he’s an unselfish, hard-working teammate, and he enjoys that role.”

      Kidd wasn’t completely wrong, since a quarter of Chandler’s touches do stem from boards. According to SportVU player-tracking technology, Chandler possesses the ball for only 53.2 seconds per game on 42.5 touches, a little over one second each time he has control of it.

    33. max fisher-cohen

      @KnicksFan there’s nate mcmillan, who had nice runs with Seattle and then Portland up until his team gave up on him. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the Nets pursued sloan after Deron waxed nostalgic about his time with the jazz and the positives of sloan’s system. It could be a sort of Larry Brown/Allen Iverson type relationship. Who knows if sloan would listen to offers though, especially if Deron really was the reason he resigned.

    34. lavor postell

      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1459229-new-york-knicks-los-angeles-lakers-taking-page-out-of-same-playbook

      Jared Dubin is fantastic.

      This is what I love about Woodson is that he is not stubborn at all and is more than willing to draw knowledge from other coaches and systems. I can see how this would work with our bench unit when Amar’e plays the Tyson role as well which is a nice thought.

      Ruru I know you’ve talked extensively about STAT being extremely effective even when paired with another paint clogging big. Is there any video of sets that have worked during his time in Phoenix and/or his first year in NY? Not doubting you, I’d just like to see how he got his shots effectively in those situations.

    35. StatsTeacher

      Props to Max for remembering the “We Believe” run out here in GS land where we made Avery look like an idiot . . . . . that was the last great GS season. Might be a good one this season. I like(d) Mark Jackson as a player and coach.

      A question I have had for a while, and it’s a depressing one: can the Knicks ask for the injury reprieve on Amare’s contract? I believe the league can approve him being waived and the salary not counting vs the cap. I THINK that has been used in the past, could be wrong (it’s essentially a league approved amnesty if the team can show the player is unable to essentially, you know, play)

    36. lavor postell

      max fisher-cohen:
      @KnicksFan there’s nate mcmillan, who had nice runs with Seattle and then Portland up until his team gave up on him. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the Nets pursued sloan after Deron waxed nostalgic about his time with the jazz and the positives of sloan’s system. It could be a sort of Larry Brown/Allen Iverson type relationship. Who knows if sloan would listen to offers though, especially if Deron really was the reason he resigned.

      The only thing with both McMillan and Larry Brown is that they both run iso heavy, slow plodding offenses. I actually think Nate is a fantastic coach, but we all know that Williams and so the Nets as an organization want to up the tempo. Not sure who is out there that would accomplish that task and could also mold them into a decent defensive unit. Not an enviable task.

    37. Brian Cronin

      I think Quin Snyder would be a good get for the Nets. He wants a head coaching job, he has a connection to the Nets owner and he looks like he’ll be a good coach.

    38. Brian Cronin

      Right, that’s it exactly. You could get an exception if a player is completely out of the picture, but not for a player like Amar’e who is going to be playing in a week.

    39. jon abbey

      Larry Brown would be hilarious, would love to see him crash and burn again up close for the competition.

    40. StatsTeacher

      I am trying to think like Dolan on this, so what if Amar’e really is “done”? This is possible, and there has been a piece floated out there that said the Knicks would take any offer for Amar’e last summer and nobody took the bait. Sooooooo, I know nobody on this board would do this (it’s why I like this board) BUT Calderon + Felton + Copeland can get you Bargnani + Calderon (it works on the TradeMachine, checked it). And, I hate to say it, fits in perfectly with the win now approach. Calderon is, at this point, a 6 month rental on an expiring. Don’t know how long Barganani’s contract is for (whatever it is, it’s too long, Wages of Wins did a piece explaining in painstaking detail that Bargs is the least valuable player getting big minutes, ever). If TOR hasn’t used it’s amnesty, it could get rid of Bargs and get Felton and also rid itself of Calderon’s 10 Mil contract, even though it expires soon. Then Toronto can run the slash and brick offense with Felton, DeRozan, Fields and Lowry just to try and bust something out to save Colangelo’s job for 5 more months. I am not advocating this, but the trade works.

    41. StatsTeacher

      Brown said last summer that the Hornets will win 55 games with Davis this year. . . . .lol god he’s an idiot. At their current winning pct of .214 the season only needs to be 257 games long (but with Davis healthy, I’m sure they have a 25+ game win streak in their future)

    42. BigBlueAL

      Its amazing how such a good coach like Larry Brown could have some horrible opinions and do such an awful job with the Knicks.

    43. jon abbey

      guys lose it in every profession, Brown lost it before he came to NY (or when he came to NY?), unfortunately for us. I think with basketball coaches, the older you get, the harder it is to connect with the much younger players.

    44. BigBlueAL

      jon abbey:
      guys lose it in every profession, Brown lost it before he came to NY (or when he came to NY?), unfortunately for us. I think with basketball coaches, the older you get, the harder it is to connect with the much younger players.

      He definitely didnt lose it before he got to NY considering the previous 2 seasons he won the championship then followed that up by reaching Game 7 of the NBA Finals.

      But being around Isiah and Dolan could definitely make someone alot dumber lol.

    45. KnickfaninNJ

      Max and Nate,

      Nate is an interesting suggestion. Many thanks. I actually think the Nets roster might be suited to a slow offensive team, but if Williams doesn’t buy in I doubt it will go anywhere. I know most of this forum will revolt at the thought, but Isiah Thomas was actually a coach that players liked to play for and who could live with a speedy offense ;). Not that I am recommending hiring him.

    46. jon abbey

      BigBlueAL: He definitely didnt lose it before he got to NY considering the previous 2 seasons he won the championship then followed that up by reaching Game 7 of the NBA Finals.

      But being around Isiah and Dolan could definitely make someone alot dumber lol.

      yeah, I didn’t remember that he came right from DET like that, I thought there was time in between.

      I do remember that he was incapable of figuring out a starting lineup in NY, to the point where he let guys start in their hometowns on the road (!!!). he seemed way more interested in power games with Isiah than actually doing the job he was being paid a huge amount to do, he made D’Antoni’s time in NY look good by comparison.

    47. jon abbey

      he’s been one of the dirtiest players in the league for years now, somehow he almost never gets called on it.

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