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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Aug 30 2012)

  • [New York Times] Barclays Center Neighbors Concerned About Drinking Hours (Thu, 30 Aug 2012 05:10:06 GMT)
    Brooklyn residents worry that a ruling allowing some Barclays Center bars to sell alcohol for an hour after events finish would jeopardize safety and serenity.

  • 58 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Aug 30 2012)

    1. Jackaroe

      That article is so bizarre. It keeps saying the Knicks downgraded by signing Kidd as PG because he (and camby/thomas) are “old and overrated”, but makes zero mention of Felton. Or brewer. Or the fact that we made sure to keep Novak and JR (for peanuts). I’ll give the Knicks that basketcases award for their handling of the Lin situation, but come on. Runner up for worst offseason in the league?

      er:
      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1313573-2012-nba-offseason-awards

      I know this a terrible site but damn i want the season to start so all of these talking head idiots can shut up

    2. ess-dog

      They’re a little harsh, but I agree with a lot of it. Let’s face it: Felton’s coming off a horrible year and even his “best” year was mediocre. Kidd’s coming off his worst year: he’s not a starter any more. Chicago couldn’t wait to run Brewer out of town. JR’s a headcase and had a terrible playoff series. Why SHOULD we be so confident in these players?

      On the other hand, I think Camby will play fairly well, Thomas won’t really play at all, and the Argentinian will end up playing a lot of minutes for us at pg.

    3. knicknyk

      The B/R is terrible. I didn’t even read it. I too have my doubts as to how well this team will do. But any article that gives out a best head case award is a fail.

    4. jon abbey

      Chicago ran about half their team out of town, they were mostly being cheap/frugal and not going by talent. Brewer might not have been worth the salary of the option they turned down ($4.5M if I remember correctly), but on a minimum salary, he’s a very nice asset.

    5. Brian Cronin

      Chicago did a terrible job this offseason being cheap as fuck. Whatever irritation I have at the Knicks if the price tag of Lin kept them from bringing him back (which I don’t believe was the actual motivation, but even assuming that it is) I would have three-fold the irritation if I was a Bulls fan. They basically gutted their best feature, their bench, just to avoid paying luxury tax. A team that makes a shit ton of money and they’re gutting their team to avoid paying luxury tax? That is some real bullshit.

    6. Brian Cronin

      The B/R is terrible. I didn’t even read it. I too have my doubts as to how well this team will do. But any article that gives out a best head case award is a fail.

      I literally customize my Google so that Bleacher Report articles do not pop up on any of my searches. It really is the worst site. There might be good articles on it (I doubt it, but there might be) but I would never take the time to get to look because they are surrounded by hundreds of awful, awful shit. The worst is the lack of sourcing. Honestly, I don’t care who the heck you are, if you properly source your work then I will most likely trust you. Like I didn’t know the guy on RealGm who broke the Dwight Howard signing an extension story, but he properly sourced his story so I trusted him. On Bleacher Report, there are never any sources so it is useless as a news site. And as an opinion site, why in the world would I ever go a site like that for opinions when there are respectable NBA blogs like this one (and other sites like it, like Seth’s site) out there?

    7. knicknyk

      ^^ Agreed. And a lot of the writers don’t even follow the team they write about, most probably don’t even watch games or fully understand free agency or the CBA. That is why I don’t waste my time on the website. There are probably more knowledgeable fans on the ESPN blogs to be honest.

    8. ruruland

      BR is horrible for journalism. They are content mill that should have had its doors blown off by Panda.

    9. Jafa

      Um, I may be in the minority but I agree with what Chicago did. Why pay the luxury tax for a lost season?

      Rose will not come back in time and/or in the right physical form to help you win anything, and even if he defied expectations, the team as currently constructed could not get past the Heat. Also, Deng is hurt and insisted on playing in the Olympics, which means he will not be 100% to start the season. So why not save money and keep your powder dry until next offseason when you actually have a real shot at winning it all with some well timed FA acquisitions and/or trades?

      Lets examine the players they let walk and/or traded:
      Asik
      Korver
      Brewer
      Watson
      Lucas
      Scalabrine
      Bogans
      Pargo

      All replaceable.

      Watson/Lucas (back-up PG) was replaced with Hinrich/Nate the Great, Asik (back-up C) was replaced with Nazr Mohammed, Korver was replaced by Belinelli and Scalabrine was replaced by Radmanovic.

      Bogans, Pargo & Brewer’s skill sets can easily be acquired via the draft or via free agency next off season.

      They still have their relatively young core (Rose, Deng, Noah) in place and can reload around them next off season with quality role players. So I have no problem with what the Bulls did this off season.

    10. sidestep

      @ Jafa, the Chicago cheapness makes sense from a business perspective and a championship-or-nothing perspective, but Brian was talking about it from a “if I was a Bulls fan” point of view. As a fan, you want to see good basketball played, and games won; there is nothing comforting or satisfying about thinking “well, we can’t win the Eastern Conference championship this year anyway, so it doesn’t matter that the team is worse this season and I have to watch them losing.” There is also the emotional loss to rooting for a player and then not seeing him anymore (I’m going to miss Jeffries not being around). If everyone followed the championship-or-nothing logic you are justifying, the vast majority of the teams in the league should all be tanking.

    11. knicknyk

      I just saw this on RealGM it is actually kind of funny. So. On twitter there was a big discussion amongst Knick fans & knick bloggers that work on ESPN about JR’s brother getting a spot on the team. The discussion was prompted by this tweet from Berman (yes I know it is berman)

      Marc Berman ?@NYPost_Berman
      Source told me G Chris Smith, J.R.’s brother, has good chance of making #Knicks roster because of his defensive potential and Iman’s injury.

      Daniel Artest, Ron Artest’s brother sounded off on the discussion:

      Daniel Artest ?@TheRealDMArtest
      “@KnicksFanBlog: Remember that time the Lakers signed Daniel Artest?” Nah. I don’t.

      Dan L ?@KnicksFanBlog
      @TheRealDMArtest Thank you. I’m trying to tell people that NYK shouldn’t have signed Chris Smith to make JR happy.

      Daniel Artest ?@TheRealDMArtest
      @KnicksFanBlog and besides Ron could’ve got me on teams but I wanted to earn my spots.

      Daniel Artest ?@TheRealDMArtest
      Unlike JR Smith brother. I earned my NBA summer league spot. No diss but Ron never asked for a “favor” from his teams.

      Daniel Artest ?@TheRealDMArtest
      I’m sorry knick fans. I was just sharing an opinion. Oh well. Ppl know how to reach me on twitter.

      Knick fans joined the discussion:

      @RealKareemAli
      And it’s ironic considering JR was the one that said he thought Lin’s contract could cause problems with teammates

      @AzazNYK
      “Defensive potential” 6’1 SG

      Thoughts?

    12. sidestep

      Well, it was not too long ago that the ethical standing of the NY franchises were compared, and the Nets scoffed at for its Russian cronyism, nepotism, and bribery. Meanwhile Knicks arrange this off-the-contract way of paying JR, there’s a thin line between “creation solution” and bribery. Cronyism and nepotism, check check. We can stop with the self-righteous homerism already.

    13. Eternal OptiKnist

      I don’t know why so many of you guys get bent out of shape when there are negative Knick articles out there…speculation of future events is a huge part of sports journalism. As far as the Knicks are concerned on that front its smart money to bet against them until they prove critics wrong. So while i think we’re going to have a better season than the recent reports predict, i really dont care what is written and definitely dont get angry at it because they could very well be right!

    14. jon abbey

      the Chris Smith thing is a non-issue unless he actually makes the team.

      and Ron Artest has a less successful and quite possibly crazier brother? I wish my brain had never contained that info.

    15. knicknyk

      jon abbey:
      the Chris Smith thing is a non-issue unless he actually makes the team.

      and Ron Artest has a less successful and quite possibly crazier brother? I wish my brain had never contained that info.

      Chris is making the team. That has been very clear to me from the get go. It’s been reported by Berman (yes I know its Berman) & Tommy Dee. But even just using common sense it is obvious that he will make it.

    16. mokers

      Frank:
      Must read for all of us here, as is most of Zach Lowe’s stuff. But this pertains specifically to Melo, Amare, and the Knicks, and how spatial analysis might play into what the Knicks will (and have already?) been doing:

      http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/08/30/knicks-carmelo-anthony-amare-stoudemire/

      Great article. It is really going to be interesting to see if these types of systems will make a big difference for the teams that have installed them. I wonder if their will be a push for the league to get all of the teams to have the Sportvu installed and make results available to the public (sort of like Pitchf/x). It’s not only great for stats people as I am sure it will really help us refine various efficiency and counting stats, but I am sure the casual fan would love things like how high Lebron got for a dunk, the speed of the ball after a Dwight Howard blocks it or the distance Steve Nash runs during a game.

    17. jon abbey

      knicknyk: Chris is making the team. That has been very clear to me from the get go. It’s been reported by Berman (yes I know its Berman) & Tommy Dee. But even just using common sense it is obvious that he will make it.

      do you have any links to those? I don’t think you’re right, don’t they have 14 guys under contract before that already?

    18. Nick C.

      Cool article. He backs up what we all say and complained about re: Amare getting the ball by the elbow (me shot poorly and turned it over alot). Assuming his interpretation of the drive data is accutrate, it contradicts all our chatter and eye test regarding Carmelo and driving. It seemed like (unless it is just me or my faulty memory of game talk) Melo did not finish great and did not get a great whistle. Interesting stuff.

    19. knicknyk

      jon abbey: do you have any links to those? I don’t think you’re right, don’t they have 14 guys under contract before that already?

      There is the Berman tweet in my original post.

      ?@TommyDeeTKB
      Just spoke to someone who has known Chris Smith for a long time – “High character kid who has always proved people wrong.”

      @TommyDeeTKB
      didn’t know if his contract was fully guaranteed or not but expects him to be with the team.

    20. johnlocke

      Even if he makes the team it doesn’t really matter, he won’t play and he’ll most likely be sent to the D-League. This paternalism happens all over the corporate world — but being the 15th man or whatever, ala Andy Rautins, is like giving a kid whose father you know a summer internship at a big company. Yes, we’re going to have to pay him, and No, it will have no impact on performance.

      jon abbey:
      the Chris Smith thing is a non-issue unless he actually makes the team.

      and Ron Artest has a less successful and quite possibly crazier brother? I wish my brain had never contained that info.

    21. BigBlueAL

      johnlocke:
      Even if he makes the team it doesn’t really matter, he won’t play and he’ll most likely be sent to the D-League. This paternalism happens all over the corporate world — but being the 15th man or whatever, ala Andy Rautins, is like giving a kid whose father you know a summer internship at a big company. Yes, we’re going to have to pay him, and No, it will have no impact on performance.

      The Knicks 15th man at the start of last season was Lin or Novak. The season before it was Shawne Williams. Disregarding the 15th roster spot as who cares is foolish.

    22. jon abbey

      let’s see what better options materialize, it may or may not matter, but I certainly don’t think it’s a done deal as of now.

    23. thenamestsam

      BigBlueAL: The Knicks 15th man at the start of last season was Lin or Novak.The season before it was Shawne Williams.Disregarding the 15th roster spot as who cares is foolish.

      This is 100% true and the biggest reason why throwing away a roster spot is stupid. From our current perspective that guy will never get to play, but as you point out, we said the same thing about guys who ended up being very important the last two years. We have a very old team with a number of injury prone guys. That 15th guy could easily end up in the rotation at some point next year if he’s capable. I don’t think Chris Smith is.

      Not only that, but people go on and on about how valuable playing for Team USA is, largely because of the benefit of practicing every day against the best players in the world. But then people are instantaneously ready to dismiss the 15th guy as irrelevant because he won’t get to play. It seems to me that having the best possible player in practice must have some value. It may be marginal, but throwing away marginal value is a franchise hallmark that I’d like to see discontinued.

    24. knicknyk

      BigBlueAL: The Knicks 15th man at the start of last season was Lin or Novak.The season before it was Shawne Williams.Disregarding the 15th roster spot as who cares is foolish.

      This. Also it just points to a greater issue in the Front Office. I personally don’t see JR as the type of player who we should be catering too like this. Like I would kind of get it if it was Melo or Amare or Tyson’s relative but its JR. And his brother isn’t even good. The Knicks need to re-assess there priorities and there loyalties. Basically, JR signed for so cheap on the basis that his brother make the SL & likely the roster. JR will also likely get paid next year. I know that we got JR at a bargain price but injuries killed us last year to the point that our 15th & 14th man were integral to our success. And there are a lot of other players out there that fulfill needs who we can get for the veterans minimum. We need more offense for example. I also found the Baron Davis thing highly perplexing. He played only a few games for us. Yes he played in the PO’s but he was honestly more of a hindrance than a help. I don’t understand the sense of loyalty to Baron. If he was healthy & he could play then I would be cool with him as a back up guard. Don’t get who he is mentoring when we paid Kidd 9 million to do that as well. Two head scratcher moves.

    25. Brian Cronin

      I agree with Jon that we have to let it actually become official before we complain about it.

      If it does become official, then yes, obviously it is a bad idea. I don’t have as much of a problem with it as Al does, but it would clearly be a bad idea.

    26. ephus

      If Chris Smith makes the team, I think the NBA front office will take a long, skeptical look. If they determine that JR Smith took less money because he knew that the Knicks would throw $473k at his younger brother (whose college tuition JR Smith paid so that Louisville would have one more scholarship available), the Knicks could face penalties including a loss of first round picks and a $3 million fine.

      I hope (but doubt) that the NBA will get to the bottom of how Teletovic agreed to scale back from the full MLE (@$5 million) to the mini-MLE ($3 million). I suspect that someplace in Serbia, Prokhorov dropped $2 million in unmarked bills.

    27. johnlocke

      I hear you. However, you’re taking two examples to make a larger point. For every Shawn Williams and Lin/Novak (who I would argue were not 15th men on the roster…see Gadzuric and Balkman)..there is a random nobody in that 15th spot. Also, would his salary be guaranteed? Couldn’t we cut him at some point in time? If we can’t then it’s a bigger deal for sure. Lin and Novak were taken off waiver wires — they didn’t start the season with the Knicks.

      BigBlueAL: The Knicks 15th man at the start of last season was Lin or Novak.The season before it was Shawne Williams.Disregarding the 15th roster spot as who cares is foolish.

    28. johnlocke

      Meant to say for every Lin/Novak there are 27 other guys riding the pine on an NBA team in the 15th spot. Lin and Novak are RARE.

    29. ruruland

      mokers: Great article.It is really going to be interesting to see if these types of systems will make a big difference for the teams that have installed them. I wonder if their will be a push for the league to get all of the teams to have the Sportvu installed and make results available to the public (sort of like Pitchf/x). It’s not only great for stats people as I am sure it will really help us refine various efficiency and counting stats, but I am sure the casual fan would love things like how high Lebron got for a dunk, the speed of the ball after a Dwight Howard blocks it or the distance Steve Nash runs during a game.

      This is fantastic stuff.

    30. ruruland

      knicknyk: This. Also it just points to a greater issue in the Front Office. I personally don’t see JR as the type of player who we should be catering too like this. Like I would kind of get it if it was Melo or Amare or Tyson’s relative but its JR. And his brother isn’t even good. The Knicks need to re-assess there priorities and there loyalties. Basically, JR signed for so cheap on the basis that his brother make the SL & likely the roster. JR will also likely get paid next year. I know that we got JR at a bargain price but injuries killed us last year to the point that our 15th & 14th man were integral to our success. And there are a lot of other players out there that fulfill needs who we can get for the veterans minimum. We need more offensefor example. I also found the Baron Davis thing highly perplexing. He played only a few games for us. Yes he played in the PO’s but he was honestly more of a hindrance than a help. I don’t understand the sense of loyalty to Baron. If he was healthy & he could play then I would be cool with him as a back up guard. Don’t get who he is mentoring when we paid Kidd 9 million to do that as well. Two head scratcher moves.

      Not everything is how it seems on the surface.

    31. ruruland

      thenamestsam: This is 100% true and the biggest reason why throwing away a roster spot is stupid. From our current perspective that guy will never get to play, but as you point out, we said the same thing about guys who ended up being very important the last two years. We have a very old team with a number of injury prone guys. That 15th guy could easily end up in the rotation at some point next year if he’s capable. I don’t think Chris Smith is.

      Not only that, but people go on and on about how valuable playing for Team USA is, largely because of the benefit of practicing every day against the best players in the world. But then people are instantaneously ready to dismiss the 15th guy as irrelevant because he won’t get to play. It seems to me that having the best possible player in practice must have some value. It may be marginal, but throwing away marginal value is a franchise hallmark that I’d like to see discontinued.

      The Knicks are one of the deepest teams in the NBA as is. Chris is a defensive-minded role player who was emerging as a shot-maker.

      If the premise is that you want guys 11-15 to push the first and second team, then it would make sense to have hungry kids playing for the chance at an NBA career, not disgruntled veterans looking to coast through into their next contract year (if they aren’t likely to get playing time).

      You want to mix those guys with high-character vets.

      Kurt Thomas is perfect there. Knicks have plenty of depth, this is such a non-issue, especially when you consider the playing time battles at the guard and back-up wing spots.

    32. jon abbey

      ruruland: Not everything is how it seems on the surface.

      yes, well, not all of us have access to the CAA meetings.

      (you set yourself up for that one)

    33. ruruland

      jon abbey: yes, well, not all of us have access to the CAA meetings.

      (you set yourself up for that one)

      I wish. I’m not that close, man. I’m two steps, one if I’m really lucky (and might happen 2-3 times a year), removed from that kind of access.

      I do not have direct, primary-source knowledge of how CAA operates within the Knicks organization and I would never say things I don’t know for certain, which much of the time is not all that much more than most on this board. Even then there are always layers to that kind of “knowledge” that can be corrupted by partially false information, misinterpretation and misdirection.

      So, generally, I try to stay with the things I’m confident are true. As you’ve seen that isn’t all that frequent.

      I’m not on CAA’s payroll, nor am I paid to amplify or communicate certain messages on certain people’s behalf. I am under no immediate obligation, implicit pr otherwise, to post here.

      As I’ve mentioned before, I was fortunate enough to be in a certain circle that may or may not eventually provide an opportunity for me down the road. That does not mean, however, that my posting here is in anyway intended to be a means to an end. The two are basically unrelated.

      I do not post under the pretense of puffery, public relations or propoganda and my biases err on the innocent side, for the most part.

    34. ephus

      Thanks for that explanation Ruru. I do not know if you have gone into that detail before, but I have certainly not seen it previously.

      If I understand you correctly, you are trying to break into the sports business (although it is not clear whether that is on the media, agent or managment side) and your posts here are an offshoot of your work. Nobody is paying you to post here (which makes sense to me, because this is not exactly the epicenter of public opinion), but your posts probably are being compiled into a clip book that would accompany a resume. Seems fair enough to me.

      To reiterate what I wrote above, I strongly hope that the Knicks were not so foolish as to promise JR Smith that they would put Chris Smith on the roster to get him to resign at the $2.8 million max available in New York. If that ever were to come out, (1) JR Smith’s contract would be voided, (2) the Knicks could lose one or more first round draft picks, and (3) there could be a $3 million fine (which I could not care less about).

      Outside of Ruru, I have not read anybody defend Chris Smith on the roster as a basketball matter. He does not seem to have the size to play SG or the skills to be a PG.

    35. ruruland

      No worries. It’s possible that I’ll be writing posts on this site in the near-future and I think that needed to be cleared up again.

    36. ruruland

      ephus:
      Thanks for that explanation Ruru.I do not know if you have gone into that detail before, but I have certainly not seen it previously.

      If I understand you correctly, you are trying to break into the sports business (although it is not clear whether that is on the media, agent or managment side) and your posts here are an offshoot of your work.Nobody is paying you to post here (which makes sense to me, because this is not exactly the epicenter of public opinion), but your posts probably are being compiled into a clip book that would accompany a resume.Seems fair enough to me.

      To reiterate what I wrote above, I strongly hope that the Knicks were not so foolish as to promise JR Smith that they would put Chris Smith on the roster to get him to resign at the $2.8 million max available in New York.If that ever were to come out, (1) JR Smith’s contract would be voided, (2) the Knicks could lose one or more first round draft picks, and (3) there could be a $3 million fine (which I could not care less about).

      Outside of Ruru, I have not read anybody defend Chris Smith on the roster as a basketball matter.He does not seem to have the size to play SG or the skills to be a PG.

      It’s more an excercise of knowledge and trying to hone the expression of certain ideas as opposed to the idea of journalism clips, per se. But that is pretty close to the general idea.

      I think if you look at the kind of talent at the very back end of the roster, Chris Smith isn’t all that removed from the median, excluding the handful of high-cieling players that get shelved ( which is happening less and less these days.)

    37. yoda4554

      Frank:
      Must read for all of us here, as is most of Zach Lowe’s stuff. But this pertains specifically to Melo, Amare, and the Knicks, and how spatial analysis might play into what the Knicks will (and have already?) been doing:

      http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/08/30/knicks-carmelo-anthony-amare-stoudemire/

      Wait. So we’re saying that the problem all along has been that Melo needs to play further away from the basket, often in a pick-and-roll, while engaging in fewer isolation plays so as to provide better floor spacing to optimize the offense? Man, it’s too bad that this team hasn’t had any coaches during Melo’s time with the team who emphasized that kind of offense. I’m sure that Melo would have been extremely willing to play that kind of basketball had anyone suggested it to him.

    38. ruruland

      yoda4554: Wait.So we’re saying that the problem all along has been that Melo needs to play further away from the basket, often in a pick-and-roll, while engaging in fewer isolation plays so as to provide better floor spacing to optimize the offense?Man, it’s too bad that this team hasn’t had any coaches during Melo’s time with the team who emphasized that kind of offense.I’m sure that Melo would have been extremely willing to play that kind of basketball had anyone suggested it to him.

      Not this.

    39. AvonBarksdale

      I think JR having his brother around could be amazing, up the competitive spirit, up the maturity possibly as JR would try to show him how not to fuck up like he does, Woodson is already like a father figure to JR so why not adopt little brother….on paper looks like shit but fuck it on paper knicks should’ve been way better the last two years..stats don’t mean anything..team dynamic…work ethic…humility….leading by example…and staying hungry at all times..that means something. If Chris helps keep JR grounded with his eye on the prize could be a huge boost….however could be they party all night and booty clapping girls get all the energy…i dunno his money was small cause his playoff appearance was horrendous..which was the coaches fault, too much faith toward the end. ugly stuff.

    40. BigBlueAL

      I dunno which would make me feel worse about the front office, signing Chris Smith as a favor to his brother or signing him cause they think he is an NBA caliber player.

    41. knicknyk

      I don’t understand why people think that JR will automatically mature. This is the guy that tweets #nosandusky on twitter. Does that sound like a mature man to you. JR is what he is. If we add his brother to the equation I don’t see that changing things for him.

    42. ephus

      BigBlueAL:
      I dunno which would make me feel worse about the front office, signing Chris Smith as a favor to his brother or signing him cause they think he is an NBA caliber player.

      #1 would make me feel much worse, because it would risk losing JR Smith and multiple #1 picks. If Chris Smith makes the roster, the Knicks better pray that the NBA FO actually buys that GG thinks Chris Smith is a NBA caliber player (or at least could develop into one).

      The NBA would fear that a superstar (like Dwight Howard) will get 2x the max salary by getting his brother signed to a max contract.

    43. jon abbey

      I don’t watch much college hoops, but I thought Chris Smith looked good when I saw him in the Big East tournament. I think he’s got at least as much of a chance to succeed as Andy Rautins did (close to zero, admittedly).

    44. slovene knick

      @Ephus…you were talking about my part of the world…so i have an errata corrige:
      Mirza Teletovic is a Bosnian Muslim(so not from Serbia).
      In order to nail the Nets, I think, NBA would have to look for a new built mosque in Mostar(Mirza’s birthplace) funded by Ruso-Orthodox/Hebrean fund.

    45. ephus

      @Slovene Knick,

      Thank you for the correction. My wife’s family is Serbian, so I understand that these distinctions are important. I certainly did not intend any offense, but the mistake was mine.

    46. slovene knick

      I’m sorry Ephus…wanted it to be a joke. But I forgot that mixing riligion/nationality…rarely comes of as a joke. So the mistake was mine.
      And no way I was ofended.

      I wanted to point out that the probability of fining Knicks or the Nets is close to zero.

    47. Frank

      jon abbey:
      I don’t watch much college hoops, but I thought Chris Smith looked good when I saw him in the Big East tournament. I think he’s got at least as much of a chance to succeed as Andy Rautins did (close to zero, admittedly).

      I think it’s 98% likely that they signed Chris as a favor to JR, but it’s not like the dude can’t play – he was a very valuable contributor to a team that made the final game in the tournament. If you read some of the scouting reports written during the final 4, a lot of writers thought his combination of defensive pressure and 3 point shooting could make him the key player in the final. And by the way, we had a similarly sized/skilled shooting guard on our team the last 2 years that until last year played like an actual NBA player: Toney Douglas.

      College (senior year) per-40#s comparing Toney Douglas and Chris Smith:

      TD: 23.5p/4.3r/3.2a, 38.5% on 3P, 16.8 FGA, career TS ~56
      CS: 14p/5.2r/2.8a, 39.9% on 3P, 10.7 FGA, career (at Louisville) TS ~56

      So basically TD scored more but had a much higher usage. Chris Smith also barely turned the ball over despite being the primary ballhandler a lot for that team.

      I’m not saying that Chris Smith is great or even good. But given that he was a legitimate player at a legitimate big-time college program, the idea that the NBA could conclusively prove that the Knicks only like him because he’s JR’s brother is just so unlikely that they won’t even bother. And c’mon, he’s only making $473K — that’s “hanging out” $ to most of these guys (hat tip to Kenny Anderson). If that’s the extent of the monetary cheating, it’s about as mild as it gets.

      I think the Teletovic thing should be investigated. Guy’s agent says he’s going to get the full MLE, then he just conveniently gives away $2M, no problem?

    48. massive

      Louisville was not in the national championship game. They lost to UK in the Final Four game. It was Kansas and Kentucky in the national championship game.

    49. JC Knickfan

      Chris Smith 24 Years old rookie with no oversea professional experience. He wasn’t good enough to get an invited to Portsmouth invitational.
      Also check out his awesome summer leagues stats.
      http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/players/sl_chris_smith/

      If he doesn’t get cut, I’m 99.9% sure this is a wink wink favor to JR. Nepotism at it’s finest.

      His contract is at least non-guaranteed and so is Copeland’s.
      I say Knicks should bring in max of 20 player into camp and let the last two spot be earned through hard practice and preseason performance.

    50. sidestep

      Some more numbers from Point Forward:

      James Harden shot 77 percent on shots taken after qualifying drives in 37 recorded games, a shooting mark that’s both insane and the highest of any player who recorded at least 40 drives with any outcome (pass, shot, drawn foul, turnover, etc.). Manu Ginobili, Harden’s double, matched that 77 percent in fewer games, and Steve Nash (78 percent) edged it in a tiny 10-game sample. Keep an eye next season on Kyrie Irving, who (in just eight recorded games) shot 70 percent on drives and recorded the second-highest points per possession mark among all sampled players, trailing only Harden.

      Those who shot poorly on drives included: John Wall (43 percent in 26 recorded games), Danny Granger (48 percent in 14 games), Raymond Felton (46 percent in 13 games), Klay Thompson (39 percent in 31 games), Monta Ellis (47 percent in 37 games) and Derrick Williams (33 percent in 22 games).

      Full article:
      http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/08/31/multi-camera-tracking-technology/#more-21231

    51. daJudge

      Based on Lowe’s analysis, what should the Knicks do in their front court as the basic set? BTW, awesome article (thanks Frank) and it would sure enough be nice if the Knicks finally had a philosophy/strategy/identity on offense. It would be a welcomed change. Maybe this is obvious to some, but describe where STAT, Melo and Chandler should be spatially on the basic set. Would it help to have a stretch shooting guard in that set? Would a slashing guard disrupt the set spatially? Anyway, really getting psyched.

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