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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Apr 18 2013)

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Knicks-Celtics playoff schedule (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:13:24 EDT)
    Here is the Knicks 1st round schedule:
    (2) New York vs. (7) Boston
    Game 1 (New York): Saturday, April 20 at 3 p.m. on ABC
    Game 2 (New York): Tuesday, April 23 at 8 p.m. on TNT
    Game 3 (Boston): Friday, April 26 at 8 p.m. on ESPN
    Game 4 (Boston): Sunday, April 28 at 1:00PM on ABC
    Game 5 * (New York): Wednesday, May 1 Boston at TBD
    Game 6 * (New York): Friday, May 3 at TBD
    Game 7 * (New York): Sunday, May 5 at TBD
    *If necessary

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Notebook: Injuries plague season finale (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 00:47:29 EDT)
    Mike Woodson didn’t play six players on Wednesday night due to rest — Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith, Jason Kidd, Raymond Felton, Tyson Chandler and Kenyon Martin — which left the roster against the Hawks with eight players.
    But for the last five minutes of the game, that number whittled to six. That’s because Pablo Prigioni suffered a sprained right ankle in the first quarter (X-rays were negative), and then Iman Shumpert took the bench in the fourth quarter with leg cramps.

  • [New York Times] Griner, Delle Donne and Diggins Dealt With Bullies (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:35:50 GMT)
    Before they were college basketball stars and the future of the WNBA, Brittney Griner, Skylar Diggins and Elena Delle Donne had something else in common: They were all bullied when they were kids.    

  • [New York Times] Lakers Hold Off Rockets, Take West’s 7th Seed (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:36:03 GMT)
    Dwight Howard had a simple message for the Lakers after Chandler Parsons’ 34-foot, line-drive 3-pointer at the regulation buzzer added five more minutes to the final game of Los Angeles’ already exhausting regular season.    

  • [New York Times] Curry Sets 3s Mark; Warriors Beat Blazers 99-88 (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:27:01 GMT)
    Stephen Curry couldn’t wait to get his record out of the way.    

  • [New York Times] Lakers Get No. 7 Seed; Anthony Wins Scoring Title (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:47:30 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Lakers secured a playoff spot even before taking the court, then needed overtime of their own game to learn where they were seeded.    

  • [New York Times] Timberwolves Snap 16-Game Skid at San Antonio (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:42:08 GMT)
    The regular season finale against the Minnesota Timberwolves was meaningless to San Antonio. Still, Spurs coach Gregg Popovich called two timeouts within 30 seconds early in the first quarter to stress assignments.    

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Secure 3rd Seed With 118-98 Win Over Suns (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:35:56 GMT)
    The Denver Nuggets finally got a chance to bask in the glow of their stellar season with the third seed in the Western Conference playoffs wrapped up and the best home record in the league secure at last.    

  • [New York Times] Bucks Surge Past Thunder 95-89 in Finale (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:32:31 GMT)
    With the Milwaukee Bucks locked into a playoff spot and starting center Larry Sanders nursing a troublesome back, rookie John Henson used the final stretch of the regular season as a big chance to prove himself.    

  • [New York Times] Clippers Beat Kings 112-108 to Clinch 4th Seed (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 05:26:55 GMT)
    Jamal Crawford scored 24 points, including several big shots down the stretch, and the Los Angeles Clippers locked up home-court advantage in the first round of the playoffs, holding off the Sacramento Kings 112-108 on Wednesday night in the regular-season finale for both teams.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies End Jazz Playoff Hopes With 86-70 Win (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 04:21:22 GMT)
    Memphis’ Zach Randolph helped end the postseason hopes of the Utah Jazz.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks 98, Hawks 92: In Synopsis of Season, Knicks Win Brings New Injury (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 03:56:35 GMT)
    The Knicks rested their stars and sent a cast of backups onto the court for a victory over the Hawks on Wednesday, but Pablo Prigioni sprained his ankle in the first quarter.    

  • [New York Times] Nets 103, Pistons 99: Nets Beat Pistons in Season Finale to Set Up Series With Bulls (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 03:53:53 GMT)
    The Nets, who beat the Pistons in their finale, are trying to build up the franchise’s first playoff appearance since 2007 â?? and the first playoff appearance by a Brooklyn team since 1956.    

  • [New York Times] Lakers Earn Playoff Spot (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 03:39:32 GMT)
    With the Memphis Grizzlies’ 86-70 victory over the Utah Jazz, the Lakers are bound for the playoffs, where they will rely on Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Bulls Clinch Fifth Seed in Eastern Conference (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 03:23:09 GMT)
    Kirk Hinrich added 18 points and Nazr Mohammed had 17 for the Bulls, who will face the Brooklyn Nets in the opening round of the playoffs.    

  • [New York Times] Heat Win 66th, Top Magic 105-93 (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 03:20:49 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade successfully lobbied to play in Miami’s regular-season finale, saying he wanted to get a little more work in before the playoffs begin this weekend.    

  • [New York Times] Lopez, Blatche Help Nets Hold Off Pistons, 103-99 (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 03:12:36 GMT)
    Brook Lopez scored 20 points and Andray Blatche added 15 as the playoff-bound Brooklyn Nets held off the Detroit Pistons 103-99 on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Walker’s 24 Points Lift Bobcats Over Cavs 105-98 (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:57:30 GMT)
    Kemba Walker had 24 points and seven assists, and the Charlotte Bobcats defeated the Cleveland Cavaliers 105-98 Wednesday to avoid finishing in the NBA cellar for a second consecutive season.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies 86, Jazz 70: Jazz Loss to Grizzlies Assures Lakers of a Playoff Spot (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:54:12 GMT)
    The Grizzlies ended Utah’s playoff hopes with a victory on Wednesday, ensuring that the Lakers make the playoffs even before their game against Houston.    

  • [New York Times] Bulls Beat Wizards to Lock Up No. 5 Seed in East (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:51:14 GMT)
    Carlos Boozer had 19 points and 15 rebounds to help the Chicago Bulls clinch the fifth seed in the Eastern Conference with a 95-92 win over the Washington Wizards in the regular-season finale Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Mavs Beat Hornets, Finish Rough Season With Win (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:39:08 GMT)
    Darren Collison scored 25 points, Dirk Nowitzki added 16 and the Dallas Mavericks finished their worst season in 13 years on a winning note, beating New Orleans 99-87 in its final game as the Hornets on Wednesday night.    

  • [New York Times] Philadelphia Gives Collins 105-95 Win at Indiana (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:33:25 GMT)
    Dorell Wright scored 23 points and Evan Turner added 16 Wednesday night, leading Philadelphia to a 105-95 victory over short-handed Indiana in what was likely Doug Collins’ final game as the 76ers coach.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks Win Finale, Hawks Get No. 6 Seed in East (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:33:16 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony won the scoring title without playing, and the Atlanta Hawks lost their chance to move up in the East standings.    

  • [New York Times] Raptors Rout Celtics 114-90 in Season Finale (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:33:04 GMT)
    DeMar DeRozan scored 24 points, Rudy Gay had 19 points and nine rebounds, and the Toronto Raptors routed the Boston Celtics 114-90 on Wednesday night, finishing their season with five straight wins.    

  • [New York Times] California Investors Bid for Sacramento Kings to Ward Off Seattle Move (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:17:41 GMT)
    California investors made a formal offer to purchase the Sacramento Kings basketball team, the NBA said on Wednesday, in the hopes of staving off a competing bid that would move the team to Seattle.    

  • [New York Times] Money, Arena and India Play Into Potential Sale of Kings (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:10:09 GMT)
    The group that wants to buy the Kings and move them to Seattle is thought to have the upper hand, but the group that wants to keep the team in Sacramento has global aspirations.    

  • [New York Times] Celtics Back on Court, Offer Tribute to Victims (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:11:38 GMT)
    With Neil Diamond’s “Sweet Caroline” playing over the loudspeakers and scores of Toronto Raptors fans showing their support, the Boston Celtics returned to the court for their first game since the bombing attack at the Boston Marathon.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Richardson back, right on ‘Q’ (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:12:54 GMT)
    With several of their injured big men expected to be back when the playoffs start Saturday, the Knicks added some perimeter help Tuesday by bringing back swingman Quentin Richardson.    

  • [New York Daily News] Melo dethrones Durant as NBA’s scoring king (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:11:21 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony has won the title â?? the NBA scoring title, that is. Neither Anthony nor Oklahoma City’s Kevin Durant will play in their team’s respective season finales Wednesday, meaning Anthony will finish the season as the league’s top scorer for the first time in his 10-year NBA career.    

  • [New York Daily News] Bondy: Things are looking up until Pablo goes down (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:00:51 GMT)
    The last game of the regular season went a lot like many others these last six months: The Knicks won, the Knicks got hurt, the Knicks said they would be just fine anyway.    

  • [New York Daily News] NBA playoff schedule set: Knicks, Nets both play Saturday (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:55:42 GMT)
    With the NBA regular season officially over, the NBA playoff schedule is officially set. The Knicks, led by the NBA’s leading scorer, Carmelo Anthony, will kick off the postseason 3 p.m. on Saturday against the Boston Celtics at Madison Square Garden.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: ‘Sheed calls it quits (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:16:16 GMT)
    Rasheed Wallace announced his retirement on Wednesday just two days after re-injuring his surgically repaired left foot in the Knicks loss in Charlotte.    

  • [New York Daily News] Copeland nets 33, Prigioni sprains ankle in Knicks’ win over Hawks (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:37:22 GMT)
    Pablo Prigioni, the 35-year-old rookie guard who has started the past 18 games, left Wednesday’s regular-season finale after suffering a sprained right ankle â?” X-rays were negative — late in the first quarter of the Knicks’ 98-92 win over Atlanta at the Garden. Iman Shumpert also left the game with what the Knicks said were cramps in his right leg â?”- not the one he had surgically repaired last spring — with barely five minutes remaining and did not return.    

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks playoff schedule (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:03:00 EDT)
    Dates, times and TV channels for every Knicks playoff game.

  • [New York Post] Final exam: Wallace retires as Knicks revamp roster for playoffs (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 04:37:15 -0500)
    To the bitter end, to the regular season’s final day, the Knicks continued to break down and finagle with their 15-man roster.
    Rasheed Wallace retired, the Knicks signed center Earl Barron and starting guard Pablo Prigioni sprained his right ankle in the second quarter of Wednesday night’s 98-92…

  • [New York Post] Prigioni hurts ankle in victory (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 04:31:26 -0500)
    While their frontcourt had been a mess, the Knicks’ backcourt actually had been healthy until last night. But now starting guard Pablo Prigioni’s playoff status is in doubt.
    Prigioni sprained his right ankle in the final game of the regular season â?? a meaningless one for the Knicks â?? and could…

  • [New York Post] Richardson adds defensive edge (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 04:31:26 -0500)
    Quentin Richardson has a trash-talking history with Paul Pierce and a good resume against LeBron James, especially in his first stint as a Knick.
    Richardson, 33, knows he’s here for defense â?? not his 3-point shot.
    He returned for his second stint with the Knicks (2005-09), but hadn’t played…

  • [New York Post] Knicks give Celtics plenty to ponder (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 04:31:26 -0500)
    TORONTO â?? There are enough worries about the Knicks to fill volumes of scouting report binders for the Celtics. There’s the size factor. There’s depth. There’s shooting. Even apparent weaknesses are a concern: Suddenly, “oldâ? becomes “experienced.â?
    But Celtics coach Doc Rivers said he gets the biggest headache…

  • [New York Post] Anthony wins scoring title (Thu, 18 Apr 2013 04:01:37 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony scored 360 fewer points than Kevin Durant this season, but the Knicks superstar still took home his first career scoring title.
    Anthony officially earned the crown yesterday, as both he and Durant sat out the final day of the regular season. Anthony finished the year with a league-best…

  • 40 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Apr 18 2013)

    1. d-mar

      Well 10 out of 10 ESPN “experts” picked us over Boston (yes even Jon Barry) so we have no chance!

    2. Gideon Zaga

      Why Can’t we have Offensive Player of the Year since we have Defensive Player of the year. Sad thing is Melo would have won every year since 04. And I still don’t get how Harden is playing better than Melo, he sucks at defense worse than Melo and Melo is better on offense. I’ll even take Curry over Harden myself. And please stop it children Westbook, Parker and to some extent Wade are not even in the same stratosphere as Melo except Wade won a championship but then again didn’t do it by himself he had shaq and Lebron to win it for him. That brings us to CP3, seriously other than this year where his squad is basically fully loaded, what has he done to warrant top 5 player in the league. Dwight is another conversation, he’s been to the NBA Finals all by himself so that should count for something. I’m just waiting for one more person to say Blake Griffin is better the Melo, Lord forgive me.

    3. thenamestsam

      Gideon Zaga:
      Why Can’t we have Offensive Player of the Year since we have Defensive Player of the year. Sad thing is Melo would have won every year since 04. And I still don’t get how Harden is playing better than Melo, he sucks at defense worse than Melo and Melo is better on offense. I’ll even take Curry over Harden myself. And please stop it children Westbook, Parker and to some extent Wade are not even in the same stratosphere as Melo except Wade won a championship but then again didn’t do it by himself he had shaq and Lebron to win it for him. That brings us to CP3, seriously other than this year where his squad is basically fully loaded, what has he done to warrant top 5 player in the league. Dwight is another conversation, he’s been to the NBA Finals all by himself so that should count for something. I’m just waiting for one more person to say Blake Griffin is better the Melo, Lord forgive me.

      I suggest you throw that 2006 finals tape back in the old VCR if you think Shaq won that title for Wade. Hollinger called Wade’s the greatest performance in the history of the NBA finals. Averaged 35 points, 8 boards, 4 assists and 3 steals, all in a slow paced and low scoring series.

      Also there is literally no chance that Melo would have won an imaginary offensive player of the year award every year since 2004. Odds are much better that he would have 0 than all of them. Unless we’re also imagining Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Dirk, and Wade out of existence. I love Melo, and he doesn’t always get the respect he deserves in the media, but lets not get crazy here.

    4. er

      I just looked at the sched…. I forgot the nba turns into the nfl in the postseason. If first round goes 7 it will be a full 15 days wow

    5. Hubert Davis

      Why do we have to trash other players to elevate Melo?

      I would put Melo either 2nd or 3rd if I had an MVP vote this year. But if there was a purely Offensive POY, I don’t know I’d put him in the top 5 this year ahead of LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Harden, Paul.

    6. er

      Hubert Davis:
      Why do we have to trash other players to elevate Melo?

      I would put Melo either 2nd or 3rd if I had an MVP vote this year.But if there was a purely Offensive POY, I don’t know I’d put him in the top 5 this year ahead of LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Harden, Paul.

      it may be a reaction to the en vogue trend of trashing melo

    7. lavor postell

      er: it may be a reaction to the en vogue trend of trashing melo

      I always think it goes better if you add the “selfish gunner” tag before melo

    8. Garson

      On the Playoff Preview they list the stat leaders in categories for each team… And our rebounding leader is…. Mr Earl Barron at 18 per game!

      Thank goodness isaih is not in the league or he would have extended him at the max after looking at that.

      Rebounds

      E. BarronRPG: 18.0

      K. GarnettRPG: 7.8

    9. d-mar

      lavor postell: I always think it goes better if you add the “selfish gunner” tag before melo

      Yeah, if I was Doc Rivers I would just send all 5 defenders at Melo since we know he never ever passes and will just force up a shot.

    10. mokers

      Has there been any work to make a FTA adjustment within stats? We can figure out the FTR for various spots on the court. Would it make sense to adjust the outliers to the league average? On the one hand, I think it would help make it easier to figure out who really gets favorable calls. I do think being able to draw contact is a skill, but I personally like the to watch when a player actually tries to finish through contact.

      My other question is whether there is anything that adjusts offense or defense ratings based on what personnel you are sharing the floor with or that you are playing against.

    11. thenamestsam

      er: it may be a reaction to the en vogue trend of trashing melo

      The thing is that I understood the defensiveness when Melo actually was getting trashed, but the fact is that the trend really isn’t in vogue. The media has been extremely complimentary of his play this year for the most part, and especially lately. There are still some fans out there clearly hoping for him to fail but it’s a rapidly dwindling extreme minority at this point. I think that’s clear. At this point, when you’re defending Melo from “slights” like being listed as 2nd team all-NBA and 5th on MVP ballots it makes people come across a little nuts.

      Hubert Davis:
      Why do we have to trash other players to elevate Melo?

      +1 to this. Isn’t it possible to be pro-Melo without acting like anyone who thinks James Harden, Chris Paul and Kobe Bryant are pretty good too are morons?

    12. Nick C.

      Garson:
      On the Playoff Preview they list the stat leaders in categories for each team… And our rebounding leader is…. Mr Earl Barron at 18 per game!

      Thank goodness isaih is not in the league or he would have extended him at the max after looking at that.

      Rebounds

      E. BarronRPG: 18.0

      K. GarnettRPG: 7.8

      Didn’t he pretty much do that with Jerome James as a free agent?

    13. cgreene

      How is it possible that we lost a fucking starter on the last game of the reg season? I am just so frickin mad about this right now. Pablo was playing great and is big part of what we do. FML. Pissed. Only the Knicks.

    14. mr.JayP

      cgreene:
      How is it possible that we lost a fucking starter on the last game of the reg season?I am just so frickin mad about this right now.Pablo was playing great and is big part of what we do.FML.Pissed.Only the Knicks.

      he’s probable for sat.

      Its kinda crazy to me how everyone at espn has this series going to 6-7 games. What do they see in the celtics that i dont? without rondo who is known to kick it up 2-3 gears in the playoff’s how will they even compete?

      Calling it now, even with the unfortunate events that took place in beantown, not even that boston strong momentum will get them 2 wins. maybe 1. maybe…

    15. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      mr.JayP: without rondo who is known to kick it up 2-3 gears in the playoff’s how will they even compete?

      Rondo’s playoff numbers are nearly identical to his regular season numbers. Maybe that’s more impressive, given the playoff level of defense, but that’s hardly “2-3 gears.”

      And to Gideon Zaga, saying that Carmelo was better than Harden offensively this season: what are you smoking my good man.

    16. thenamestsam

      mr.JayP: he’s probable for sat.

      Its kinda crazy to me how everyone at espn has this series going to 6-7 games. What do they see in the celtics that i dont? without rondo who is known to kick it up 2-3 gears in the playoff’s how will they even compete?

      Calling it now, even with the unfortunate events that took place in beantown, not even that boston strong momentum will get them 2 wins. maybe 1. maybe…

      Sounds like Mike Woodson basically told the reporters he wasn’t playing. All the beat guys are reporting it on twitter. See here for example:

      https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/324931768450969601

      Interesting that it sounds like Woodson’s preference is to go with Copeland rather than shifting Kidd back to the starting lineup. I don’t love that – I think having the 2nd ball handler in the starting lineup has been a big part of our success recently. It’s going to be really interesting to see how many people Woodson plans on playing. Basically everyone outside of James White, Q, Camby and Barron would seem to be in serious consideration for minutes. If everybody is healthy it might start to be a serious logjam.

      On Boston, I’d keep in mind that they’re quite a good home team. Even if they’re clearly not as good as the Knicks it’s possible to have a long series if they defend their home court (thinking of that Atlanta-Boston series from a few years ago that went 7 even though Boston won 4 blowouts at home and lost 3 nailbiters on the road).

    17. Juany8

      I do find it pretty amusing that pretty much every time ESPN mentions Melo, they have to throw in a little jab about his defense and passing. I give credit to zach lowe for being pretty much the only person who pointed out how dreadful harden was on defense this year, and he even called out Chris Paul for being overrated on that end too.

      The way I see it, it’s silly to try to break down the minute differences between the players to try to get some exact ranking. It’s more sensible to break down players into tiers, in which case Lebron is in the god mode tier, Durant is in the “awesome franchise player who’s not a top 10 player all time” tier (think dirk or Nash in their primes) and then Melo, Chris Paul, Kobe, and harden make up the next tier, of franchise players who are going to need plenty of help to win a title

    18. mr.JayP

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Rondo’s playoff numbers are nearly identical to his regular season numbers. Maybe that’s more impressive, given the playoff level of defense, but that’s hardly “2-3 gears.”

      And to Gideon Zaga, saying that Carmelo was better than Harden offensively this season: what are you smoking my good man.

      What he did in Mia last year was “2-3″ gears. he can and has done it before, his playoff stats for last year was def. better than reg season not nearly identical, he was scoring more 17.3 ppg vs 11.9, rebounding 6.7 vs 5.6 and assisting more 11.9 vs 11.1 with averaging about 42.6min a game. pretty impressive for going against tougher D

      no one on their current team has that ability right now, maaaaybe green but i doubt it.

    19. EB

      mr.JayP: What he did in Mia last year was “2-3? gears. he can and has done it before, his playoff stats for last year was def. better than reg season not nearly identical, he was scoring more 17.3 ppg vs 11.9, rebounding 6.7 vs 5.6 and assisting more 11.9 vs 11.1 with averaging about 42.6min a game. pretty impressive for going against tougher D

      no one on their current team has that ability right now, maaaaybe green but i doubt it.

      I think Ray Allen was a huge piece of Boston’s offense. Without him the C’s don’t scare me nearly as much. Pierce and Garnett are good but can’t do it alone.

    20. d-mar

      mr.JayP: he’s probable for sat.

      Its kinda crazy to me how everyone at espn has this series going to 6-7 games. What do they see in the celtics that i dont? without rondo who is known to kick it up 2-3 gears in the playoff’s how will they even compete?

      Calling it now, even with the unfortunate events that took place in beantown, not even that boston strong momentum will get them 2 wins. maybe 1. maybe…

      I heard Bruce Bowen call it for Boston in 6.

      It’s like they’re completely ignoring the fact that we finished 12 1/2 games ahead of them in the standings, just because they’re the “playoff tested, battle ready, warrior, blah, blah,blah” Celtics

    21. mr.JayP

      thenamestsam: Sounds like Mike Woodson basically told the reporters he wasn’t playing. All the beat guys are reporting it on twitter. See here for example:

      https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/324931768450969601

      Interesting that it sounds like Woodson’s preference is to go with Copeland rather than shifting Kidd back to the starting lineup. I don’t love that – I think having the 2nd ball handler in the starting lineup has been a big part of our success recently. It’s going to be really interesting to see how many people Woodson plans on playing. Basically everyone outside of James White, Q, Camby and Barron would seem to be in serious consideration for minutes. If everybody is healthy it might start to be a serious logjam.

      On Boston, I’d keep in mind that they’re quite a good home team. Even if they’re clearly not as good as the Knicks it’s possible to have a long series if they defend their home court (thinking of that Atlanta-Boston series from a few years ago that went 7 even though Boston won 4 blowouts at home and lost 3 nailbiters on the road).

      personally, i would rather have cope to help spread the floor and give kidd a few back up pg minutes.

      Bos. isnt a great offensive team. so his defense really shouldnt be that much of a weakness.

    22. EB

      Juany8:
      I do find it pretty amusing that pretty much every time ESPN mentions Melo, they have to throw in a little jab about his defense and passing. I give credit to zach lowe for being pretty much the only person who pointed out how dreadful harden was on defense this year, and he even called out Chris Paul for being overrated on that end too.

      The way I see it, it’s silly to try to break down the minute differences between the players to try to get some exact ranking. It’s more sensible to break down players into tiers, in which case Lebron is in the god mode tier, Durant is in the “awesome franchise player who’s not a top 10 player all time” tier (think dirk or Nash in their primes) and then Melo, Chris Paul, Kobe, and harden make up the next tier, of franchise players who are going to need plenty of help to win a title

      I agree with the tier system.

    23. mr.JayP

      d-mar: I heard Bruce Bowen call it for Boston in 6.

      It’s like they’re completely ignoring the fact that we finished 12 1/2 games ahead of them in the standings, just because they’re the “playoff tested, battle ready, warrior, blah, blah,blah” Celtics

      i saw that, crazy. i say this all the time, theres a difference between playoff tested, battle ready, warrior. OKC and MIA are that now, C’s and probably SaS are just old. There’s a difference.

    24. Frank

      thenamestsam: Interesting that it sounds like Woodson’s preference is to go with Copeland rather than shifting Kidd back to the starting lineup. I don’t love that – I think having the 2nd ball handler in the starting lineup has been a big part of our success recently.

      Have to wonder whether Woody isn’t reacting to Boston’s “big” starting lineup of Bradley/Pierce/Green/Bass/KG. Kidd or Prigs would be abused by Pierce, which would lead to all kinds of doubling and scrambling. As it is, my guess is we see Shump on Pierce (hello 2 fouls in the 1st quarter and JR coming in at the 7 minute mark!), Melo on Green, Cope on Bass.

      I feel good about Cope as a starting 3/4. Stretches the floor and doesn’t give the Celts anyone to play off of. Kidd can get hot from 3 point range once in a blue moon but every team is still going to give him the open shot.

    25. EB

      mr.JayP: personally, i would rather have cope to help spread the floor and give kidd a few back up pg minutes.

      Bos. isnt a great offensive team. so his defense really shouldnt be that much of a weakness.

      I think the issue is that we have no backup pg off the bench if Kidd starts and Prigs is out. Staggering their minutes will help ball movement and I don’t trust JR or Melo to run the offense without a pg on the floor.

    26. EB

      Frank: Have to wonder whether Woody isn’t reacting to Boston’s “big” starting lineup of Bradley/Pierce/Green/Bass/KG. Kidd or Prigs would be abused by Pierce, which would lead to all kinds of doubling and scrambling. As it is, my guess is we see Shump on Pierce (hello 2 fouls in the 1st quarter and JR coming in at the 7 minute mark!), Melo on Green, Cope on Bass.

      Start Q and just have him provoke Pierce. Why else would we have signed him?

    27. thenamestsam

      Juany8:
      I do find it pretty amusing that pretty much every time ESPN mentions Melo, they have to throw in a little jab about his defense and passing. I give credit to zach lowe for being pretty much the only person who pointed out how dreadful harden was on defense this year, and he even called out Chris Paul for being overrated on that end too.

      The way I see it, it’s silly to try to break down the minute differences between the players to try to get some exact ranking. It’s more sensible to break down players into tiers, in which case Lebron is in the god mode tier, Durant is in the “awesome franchise player who’s not a top 10 player all time” tier (think dirk or Nash in their primes) and then Melo, Chris Paul, Kobe, and harden make up the next tier, of franchise players who are going to need plenty of help to win a title

      Agree with this 100%. I find it very hard to believe that anyone could be 100% sure that Melo is “better” than Chris Paul. Both guys are awesome, and both are very different players. Trying to figure out how much value Chris Paul generates with his defending at the PG position compared to Melo’s defense in the post, etc. is just an extremely hard problem. I prefer Melo, but giving someone crap because they prefer Paul is really dumb to me. If you tell me you think Melo is better than Lebron, I’ll call you a fool. If you tell me he’s worse than Ronnie Brewer, I’ll call you a fool. If you tell me he’s worse than Chris Paul or James Harden that’s just a difference of two valid opinions.

    28. Hubert Davis

      I hate the sight of Quentin Richardson.

      Such bad karma to bring back someone from back then. No wonder Prigioni got hurt last night.

    29. er

      literally the only thing harden did better than melo was freethrow percentage, so yes he is superior

    30. Hubert Davis

      mr.JayP: What he did in Mia last year was “2-3? gears.

      It really wasn’t. I know Bill Simmons and his echo chamber at ESPN think it was, but really all he did was increase his number of shots from 10.8 to 17.8.

      He did get his TS% up to 52.8 in that series vs his career average 51.4. Is that 2-3 gears? His rebounding went down, his assists went down, he shot 30% from three.

      He was pretty much Rondo, he just took more shots.

    31. Hubert Davis

      Juany8:
      I I give credit to zach lowe for being pretty much the only person who pointed out how dreadful harden was on defense this year, and he even called out Chris Paul for being overrated on that end too.

      zach lowe has been on point all year. espn.com is blocked at work so i used to always read si.com, where he was the lead nba writer. really liked his work. glad for him he gets to be read by a wider audience. he’s really elevated the conversation about basketball, i think. i wish television programs would start going with guys like him in their studios instead of 4 people doing the same exact uninformed schtick.

      he also backed the knicks all year, even in their mid-season stretch when the media was taking turns throwing dirt on us. he kept saying: they’re still the team that went 18-5 and they can be that team again.

      great writer.

    32. Hubert Davis

      cgreene:
      How is it possible that we lost a fucking starter on the last game of the reg season?I am just so frickin mad about this right now.Pablo was playing great and is big part of what we do.FML.Pissed.Only the Knicks.

      It’s Q, man. I’m telling you, it’s Q. Dude is an albatross. Get rid of him!

    33. mcliff05

      thenamestsam: Sounds like Mike Woodson basically told the reporters he wasn’t playing. All the beat guys are reporting it on twitter. See here for example:https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/324931768450969601Interesting that it sounds like Woodson’s preference is to go with Copeland rather than shifting Kidd back to the starting lineup. I don’t love that – I think having the 2nd ball handler in the starting lineup has been a big part of our success recently. It’s going to be really interesting to see how many people Woodson plans on playing. Basically everyone outside of James White, Q, Camby and Barron would seem to be in serious consideration for minutes. If everybody is healthy it might start to be a serious logjam. On Boston, I’d keep in mind that they’re quite a good home team. Even if they’re clearly not as good as the Knicks it’s possible to have a long series if they defend their home court (thinking of that Atlanta-Boston series from a few years ago that went 7 even though Boston won 4 blowouts at home and lost 3 nailbiters on the road).

      This is exactly why we have to maintain home court advantage. I know the Knicks are the better team, but if we let them steal game 1, we are in for some serious trouble.

      On another note, how many Ts in the playoffs can you get before getting suspended. If this is a long series Melo might be sitting out game 1 of the second round.

    34. er

      cgreene: Ummm. I haven’t made it all the way through the piece but it starts it w an incredibly false assumption. It says Garnett (who also has injuries) played very little that last 2 months so he is rested. Tyson Chandler (who just said today he feels GREAT) rested most of the last 6 weeks but is injured and out of rhythm. Cmon.

      lol yes that article was far from reasonable

    35. Hubert Davis

      That article sucked.

      “Although a few minor injuries cropped up for Garnett and Pierce, Rivers was extremely cautious as he had them sit out a combined 17 games over the last couple of months. Therefore, the Knicks were able to take the season series from the Celtics, as Garnett did not play in two games against them.”

      Therefore. Hilarious. As if we weren’t missing anyone when we played them.

      I still think it goes 7, though.

    36. Brian Cronin

      I do find it pretty amusing that pretty much every time ESPN mentions Melo, they have to throw in a little jab about his defense and passing. I give credit to zach lowe for being pretty much the only person who pointed out how dreadful harden was on defense this year, and he even called out Chris Paul for being overrated on that end too.

      The way I see it, it’s silly to try to break down the minute differences between the players to try to get some exact ranking. It’s more sensible to break down players into tiers, in which case Lebron is in the god mode tier, Durant is in the “awesome franchise player who’s not a top 10 player all time” tier (think dirk or Nash in their primes) and then Melo, Chris Paul, Kobe, and harden make up the next tier, of franchise players who are going to need plenty of help to win a title

      Obviously tiers are the way to do it, but tiers are the way to rank pretty much everything. People just don’t like using tiers. :)

      But yes, tiers are the best.

    37. flossy

      thenamestsam: If you tell me you think Melo is better than Lebron, I’ll call you a fool. If you tell me he’s worse than Ronnie Brewer, I’ll call you a fool. If you tell me he’s worse than Chris Paul or James Harden that’s just a difference of two valid opinions.

      Well put.

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