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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Apr 05 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson faces uphill climb to keep Knicks job (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 05:28:31 GMT)
    The Magic doesn’t want to play any more for Stan Van Gundy, and it’s not as if Dwight Howard and a few other players in their locker room are trying their best to hide that fact these days. That’s really where Howard compares the most now to Shaquille O’Neal, who once also didn’t want to be coached by this Van Gundy brother.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks eye Calipari, but coach focused on Kentucky (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 05:27:49 GMT)
    John Calipari was still nine months away from winning his first national championship when a coaching confidant broached the subject of possibly coaching the Knicks in the not-so-distant future.

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson goes 1-on-1 with J.R. (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 01:22:26 GMT)
    Mike Woodson sat in the bleachers and calmly â?? in full view of the media â?? spoke to J.R. Smith about channeling his energy in a more productive manner while maintaining a professional attitude.

  • [New York Times] J.R. Smith Needs More Composure, Knicks Interim Coach Mike Woodson Says (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 05:20:08 GMT)
    Mike Woodson, the Knicks’ interim coach, has relied on J. R. Smith more than Mike D’Antoni did, but Smith’s emotions can get the best of him and affect his play.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: LeBron James Leads the Heat Past the Thunder (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 05:20:08 GMT)
    LeBron James had 34 points and 10 assists as Miami beat Oklahoma City, 98-93, for its 17th straight home victory.

  • [New York Times] Lakers Beat Clippers 113-108 (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 06:51:19 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant willed the Los Angeles Lakers to a crucial victory over the Clippers, who won style points with some flashy plays but couldn’t overcome a well-rested Andrew Bynum.

  • [New York Times] Aldridge Leads Blazers Over the Nets 101-88 (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 06:06:18 GMT)
    The Trail Blazers have alternated wins and losses for the past 10 games, which is not exactly getting them to the playoffs.

  • [New York Times] Nash Lifts Suns Past Jazz, 107-105 (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 03:54:23 GMT)
    Steve Nash scored only 13 points but hit two shots in the final 14 seconds and the Phoenix Suns won their seventh straight meeting against Utah, 107-105 on Wednesday night to jump over the Jazz in the Western Conference playoff race.

  • [New York Times] Nowitzki 23 for Dallas in 95-85 Win Over Grizzlies (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 03:33:24 GMT)
    Dirk Nowitzki scored 23 points, grabbed 10 rebounds and the Dallas Mavericks used a big fourth-quarter run to get a 95-85 victory over the Memphis Grizzlies on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat Win 17th Straight at Home, Top Thunder, 98-93 (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:54:31 GMT)
    LeBron James had 34 points and 10 assists, Dwyane Wade scored 19 points and the Miami Heat avenged a loss at Oklahoma City last week, rallying to beat the Thunder 98-93 on Wednesday night for their 17th straight home victory.

  • [New York Times] Gordon Returns, Hornets Beat Nuggets, 94-92 (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 03:30:34 GMT)
    Eric Gordon scored 15 points in his first action in three months, capping the performance with two free throws in the final seconds to lift the New Orleans Hornets to a 94-92 victory over the Denver Nuggets on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Rally From 20 Down to Beat T-Wolves (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:15:24 GMT)
    Kevin Love and the Minnesota Timberwolves don’t appear to have much left in the tank.

  • [New York Times] Ellis Scores 30 Points, Bucks Fend Off Cavaliers (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 02:36:28 GMT)
    Monta Ellis scored 16 of his 30 points in the final 5 minutes, helping the Milwaukee Bucks fend off a Cleveland team missing Kyrie Irving for a 107-98 victory Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Smith, Teague Leads Hawks Past Charlotte (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 02:09:13 GMT)
    Josh Smith scored 24 points, Jeff Teague added 17 and the Atlanta Hawks beat the woeful Charlotte Bobcats 120-93 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Hold on, Beat Celtics 87-86 for 9th in a Row (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 02:01:11 GMT)
    Tim Duncan had 10 points and 16 rebounds and the San Antonio Spurs won their ninth straight game, recovering to beat the Boston Celtics 87-86 on Wednesday night after blowing a 17-point, first-half lead.

  • [New York Times] Raptors Roll Over Fading 76ers 99-78 (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 01:36:49 GMT)
    Andrea Bargnani scored 24 points and DeMar DeRozan had 18 to lead the Toronto Raptors to their third straight win, 99-78 over the Philadelphia 76ers on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pacers Shoot 58 Percent, Beat Wizards 109-96 (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 01:36:47 GMT)
    Danny Granger scored 20 points, and the Indiana Pacers won their third straight Wednesday night by shooting a season-high 58 percent in a 109-96 victory over the Washington Wizards.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Bynum’s Recent Attitude Concerns Lakers (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:38:08 GMT)
    The Lakers like the career-best production from center Andrew Bynum. But recent events are forcing the team to question his attitude.

  • [New York Times] The Closer: Stern’s Argument Lacking (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:31:43 GMT)
    The N.B.A. commissioner David Stern would like to expand the league’s age requirement, claiming it is a business decision, but the success of high school players harms his argument.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: For Shumpert, an Opportunity Down the Stretch (Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:13:03 GMT)
    Iman Shumpert, the rookie guard for the Knicks, may play an important role in the team’s pursuit of a playoff berth.

  • 43 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Apr 05 2012)

    1. Cousyfan

      I saw that Doc Rivers made a coaching error last night in the Celtics loss. Tom Heinson was screaming on TV for them to abandone the jumpers with less than 3 minutes left in the game. So, now I don’t feel as badly. Go Knicks!
      Cheers

    2. hoolahoop

      If the knicks play well down the stretch, yes, it would be idiocy for them to let Woodson go. . . . which means, they’ll probably do it.

    3. New Guy

      I’m joining the ever-growing list of people that believe both the Knicks and Bucks will make the playoffs, and Philly will fall out completely.

    4. New Guy

      Also, put me down for the Knicks sweeping the upcoming home and home with Chicago. And then losing to the Bucks.

    5. JC Knickfan

      Geez, let win Orlando game first otherwise we below .500 again. Very concern we might not make playoff now after losing the way we did to Indy.
      I just want stay a front Buck until get more players back injury.
      I heard JJ is doing running Friday and if it goes well he should play Sunday.

    6. Cousyfan

      I think it was Hubie Brown who said, “When a player’s jumper is short and hits the front rim, he is tired. Take him out.” I noticed the Celtics jumpers missing even as bad as being airballs last night. I hope Woody realizes this truth and replace his players tonight.
      By my handle you know I was a Celtics fan. Go Knicks!
      Cheers!

    7. 2FOR18

      Anybody else a little tired of hearing how tired the Knicks’ players are? It’s not like every other team isn’t in the same boat.

    8. alsep73

      Some amazing stuff coming in via the beat writer feeds right now. Stan Van Gundy was addressing the New York media and said that management has told him that Dwight asked for him to be fired. Dwight then came into the building, not realizing what had been said, hugged Stan hello, and when the reporters later asked if he’d asked for Stan to be fired (but not, apparently, that Stan had told them), Dwight denied it.

      One tweet of many: twitter.com/HowardBeckNYT/statuses/187943499814019072

      Crazytown.

    9. johnno

      2FOR18: Anybody else a little tired of hearing how tired the Knicks’ players are? It’s not like every other team isn’t in the same boat.

      True, but how many other teams are playing without 2 starters and the guy who is usually their first guy off the bench. I heard on the radio that Ryan Anderson was doubtful and Howard and Nelson were “game-time decisions” and I thought, “Wow, the Knicks might catch a real break tonight.” Then it dawned on me — if they are without those three, that kind of evens things out a little bit.

    10. TelegraphedPass

      WoW. SVG may really not be the Magic head coach next year and he’s definitively the most successful coach they’ve ever had. I pray he can be lured to NY if he’s let go. He’s a phenomenal defensive coach and great at motivating players.

    11. TelegraphedPass

      I’m not sure what his offensive system would look like, though. This team clearly isn’t built like Orlando’s.

    12. alsep73

      Hahn already tweeted that SVG’s antics today symbolize why Dolan would never hire him. This MSG administration doesn’t want candor, people talking out of school, etc. They tolerated it from Donnie mainly because Donnie was forced on Dolan by the commish, but ever since Cablevision bought the team, they’ve preferred people at high levels who will close ranks and keep all this stuff in-house.

    13. max fisher-cohen

      Dwight just freaks out and becomes a total power mongering bitch every time the Magic lose a couple games and gets super happy every time they win a couple. He’s like the stereotypical PMSing woman — just highly emotional and irrational. Lucky for Orlando, they had just beaten the Heat and the Bulls when the trade deadline arrived. My guess is Dwight and SVG makeup and this blows over.

    14. max fisher-cohen

      alsep73:
      Hahn already tweeted that SVG’s antics today symbolize why Dolan would never hire him. This MSG administration doesn’t want candor, people talking out of school, etc. They tolerated it from Donnie mainly because Donnie was forced on Dolan by the commish, but ever since Cablevision bought the team, they’ve preferred people at high levels who will close ranks and keep all this stuff in-house.

      Is Hahn allowed to say something that could be interpreted as critical of Dolan?

    15. TelegraphedPass

      alsep73: Hahn already tweeted that SVG’s antics today symbolize why Dolan would never hire him. This MSG administration doesn’t want candor, people talking out of school, etc. They tolerated it from Donnie mainly because Donnie was forced on Dolan by the commish, but ever since Cablevision bought the team, they’ve preferred people at high levels who will close ranks and keep all this stuff in-house.

      Saw that tweet. I’m not taking it as the word of God, tho. P Jax isn’t known for holding his tongue, and I doubt Dolan would turn him down.

    16. thenamestsam

      TelegraphedPass: Saw that tweet. I’m not taking it as the word of God, tho. P Jax isn’t known for holding his tongue, and I doubt Dolan would turn him down.

      I see what you’re saying but I feel like that’s only because Dolan loves celebrity so so much that he’s willing to put up with anything for that. Carmelo can get away with a ton because of celebrity and PJax would too, but SVG doesn’t have that same cache. Without it I really can’t see the Knicks taking a chance on a guy who is willing to go behind his bosses back like that.

    17. TelegraphedPass

      @16 I was thinking the same thing. Then again, if Woodson ends the season poorly and P Jax decides he’d rather not risk his gilded rep on this streaky team: Why not consider SVG?

      As inept as Dolan is, he still wants to put this team in the best position to succeed. He brought Melo aboard because he truly believes Melo is a franchise talent. That’s why he holds Melo’s opinion in such high regard. I’m sure the high-profile nature of Melo’s brand helped, but I’m not sure that was the ONLY reason.

      I can see scenarios where Dolan considers SVG. I’m not saying its likely, but I think it’s possible.

    18. jon abbey

      TelegraphedPass:
      WoW. SVG may really not be the Magic head coach next year and he’s definitively the most successful coach they’ve ever had. I pray he can be lured to NY if he’s let go. He’s a phenomenal defensive coach and great at motivating players.

      he’s had either a pretty good Shaq or a dominant Howard anchoring that D for all but one year of his career. I’d much rather go after Carlisle or Thibodeaux or Skiles, none of whom are under contract for next season as of now, I believe. I don’t think SVG is an upgrade on Woodson.

    19. TelegraphedPass

      jon abbey: he’s had either a pretty good Shaq or a dominant Howard anchoring that D for all but one year of his career. I’d much rather go after Carlisle or Thibodeaux or Skiles, none of whom are under contract for next season as of now, I believe. I don’t think SVG is an upgrade on Woodson.

      I respectfully disagree on your last sentence. I think Stan is a phenomenal coach. He’s coached this team through enormous pressure to a very respectable record in the NBA. He obviously won a ton of games during his tenure. He’s been fortunate to have had some great defensive players to work with, but defense is systemic more than the direct contribution of any one man. He has to coach those defensive schemes that lead offensive players down the lane toward Dwight’s wingspan. SVG has done about as good a job with his team as you can ask from a coach. I like Woodson, but he hasn’t proven himself the way SVG has.

      That said, I do agree on Carlisle or Thibs. Nothing really needs to be said about how good those coaches are. I sincerely doubt that their teams won’t extend them after this season, though.

      Skiles is a good coach, but I’m concerned about his ability to work with Melo. I worry that Skiles may be too abrasive for Melo to be comfortable, and Melo’s comfort with his staff will directly affect just how well the Knicks play moving forward.

    20. Bruno Almeida

      jon abbey: he’s had either a pretty good Shaq or a dominant Howard anchoring that D for all but one year of his career. I’d much rather go after Carlisle or Thibodeaux or Skiles, none of whom are under contract for next season as of now, I believe. I don’t think SVG is an upgrade on Woodson.

      well, he’s had Howard for a lot of time, but as amazing as Howard is on D, SVG has had incredibly efficient defensive teams with a lot of bad defenders playing major minutes… his starting lineup when they went to the finals was Jameer Nelson (bad), Courtney Lee (passable), Hedo Turkoglu (terrible), Rashard Lewis (terrible, specially for a PF) and Howard (amazing), and his team once again is playing really good D with washed-up J-Rich, J.J Redick, Chris Duhon and Ryan Anderson getting major minutes…

      having Howard certainly helps, but so does having Chandler, who’s not on the same level (because obviously nobody is) but is as close as it gets… I don’t see why he couldn’t do the same thing with the Knicks, specially with Shumpert and Jeffries on board.

    21. Will the Thrill

      Did anyone catch the interview with SVG where he told reporters that the management told him that Howard asked for him to be fired? And then Howard showed up and didn’t here what SVG was talking about? Talk about awkward…SVG was dying to get out of there. Probably like he’s dying to get off of that team.

    22. Robtachi

      I know as Knicks fans we’re preconditioned to be doomsayers, but… and I do get a momentary fuzzy, dizzy feeling when I say this (probably an autoimmune response from my brain attempting to protect me from truly damaging thoughts)… I find myself pretty hopeful for the Knicks’ future at the moment.

      Sure, I have the same annoying realization with this team that I’ve had with past Rangers teams that they probably can’t crack the 8th or 7th spot in the playoffs, thus will get steamrolled in the first round and not have a decent draft pick to show for it.

      But looking beyond that, this was simply a lost season in many regards (lockout, no practice, injuries, high personnel and coaching turnover). I do actually see a championship team in this roster, and I don’t have to look very hard (doubly true with booze and barbiturates!). You’ve got the defensive anchors, the promising young rotation players, the deep bench, the perimeter snipers, the hero-baller(s), the cerebral point guard (Lin, not Davis. Stop laughing). I don’t know… it’s all there for me, it just hasn’t come together consistently this season for myriad reasons that could conceivably be ironed out before next. Sure I would love for them to get in the first round of this sweet, juicy venus draft, but even so, I can’t think of a single move the Knicks absolutely MUST make to have a contending roster. It’s there, they just need time to adjust and execute.

    23. Juany8

      @25, I completely agree with what you said, this team has all the pieces in place to contend, and in a lot of their losses, especially recently, the Knicks have shown the capacity to be great, although they’ve certainly lacked the consistency. Considering half the team forgot how to shoot though, and all the injuries and turnover the roster has had, as well as the fact that Shump, Lin, Jorts, and even Landry should improve next year simply by getting more experience. This team is clearly also smart about getting value late in the draft, they don’t go for athletic freaks or stash people in Europe, they find undervalued role players who understand their role and work hard.

    24. Bruno Almeida

      Juany8:
      @25, I completely agree with what you said, this team has all the pieces in place to contend, and in a lot of their losses, especially recently, the Knicks have shown the capacity to be great, although they’ve certainly lacked the consistency. Considering half the team forgot how to shoot though, and all the injuries and turnover the roster has had, as well as the fact that Shump, Lin, Jorts, and even Landry should improve next year simply by getting more experience. This team is clearly also smart about getting value late in the draft, they don’t go for athletic freaks or stash people in Europe, they find undervalued role players who understand their role and work hard.

      I agree, mostly, but I do think drafting euros, if done right, could be amazing.

      we now have plenty of cheap, complimentary players… we don’t need another Jorts or another Landry Fields, we could take some chances with promising european players who might be boom or bust, because we won’t be killed if they’re a bust, and it’s the type of thing that could push us to another level, getting a Manu or someone like that.

      I now it’s a drop in the ocean, but we have to start taking some of those chances, specially since they can’t hurt us… buy some late 1st rounders and 2nd rounders, we have the money and there’s always teams who want to sell.

    25. 2FOR18

      Re: our coaching situation, given our personnel, I think the main qualification would be the ability to connect with the players and gain their respect. Skiles would be a disaster with Melo, and I’m concerned that SVG will also be, given the Howard situation. If Melo is unhappy the team is going nowhere, no matter how much of a genius the coach is.
      Based on the above, if we can’t get Phil Jax or Thibs, we may as well keep Woodson.

    26. max fisher-cohen

      Phil Jackson is the only coach I know of who has not only successfully gained the respect of primadonna players, but has also been able to change the way they play for the betterment of the team. Most of the coaches who get support from their superstars have to make serious concessions to their stars in terms of touches and style of play, often detrimental to the team’s success, in order to get them to play hard. Spoelstra did this with James and Wade, and even then, if not for Riley consistently backing him as the long term coach, I think Spoelstra would have taken the fall.

    27. Bruno Almeida

      max fisher-cohen:
      Phil Jackson is the only coach I know of who has not only successfully gained the respect of primadonna players, but has also been able to change the way they play for the betterment of the team. Most of the coaches who get support from their superstars have to make serious concessions to their stars in terms of touches and style of play, often detrimental to the team’s success, in order to get them to play hard. Spoelstra did this with James and Wade, and even then, if not for Riley consistently backing him as the long term coach, I think Spoelstra would have taken the fall.

      I agree, but we don’t really know how a coach like Skiles would act in this situation.

      the only superstar Skiles ever coached was Jason Kidd in Phoenix, and we all know he’s a different kind of player… he also coached Marbury, but that one we definitely know it’s a different kind of player.

      we don’t really know how he would handle having a superstar on his team, maybe he acts the way he does precisely because he knows his team needs to give 100% every single night or they’ll lose.

    28. Juany8

      The thing about players like Fields or Jorts is that eventually they aren’t worth keeping if you have to pay them $5 million+, it’s really better to just replace them with new, cheap players. It’s what the Spurs, Mavericks, and Rockets do with a lot of success, why pay a player like Jefferson/Butler/Ariza a mid level contract when you can find first and even second round picks with very similar skill sets every single year? Considering the new cap changes, being able to fill out a roster with late picks is pretty crucial.

    29. Bruno Almeida

      Juany8:
      The thing about players like Fields or Jorts is that eventually they aren’t worth keeping if you have to pay them $5 million+, it’s really better to just replace them with new, cheap players. It’s what the Spurs, Mavericks, and Rockets do with a lot of success, why pay a player like Jefferson/Butler/Ariza a mid level contract when you can find firstand even second round picks with very similar skill sets every single year? Considering the new cap changes, being able to fill out a roster with late picks is pretty crucial.

      I agree, that’s why I don’t think we should abandon this mindset, but also buy some late draft picks and take some chances on euro guys.

    30. JLam

      Star players and coaches have to co-exist. Phil Jax and Bryant wasnt exactly buddy-buddy. Phil was very critical about Kobe in his book and even said Kobe was “uncoachable”.
      SVG and Howard, samething going on.
      I really dont why some of you want Phil or Cap as new coach, there’s no guarentee their success will transfer to the Knicks.
      Previous head coaches with winning reputations get chewed up and spit out when they take head coaching jobs in New York.
      See Lenny Wilken, Larry Brown, Pat Riley
      In case of Pat Riley , he likely would make the Knicks successful if someone upper mangement would gave him more control like wanted rather than let him walk to Heat organization.
      Jeff Van Gundy led us the NBA finals and was not well known coach before he got the job. Heck, He wasnt even a head coach in the NBA.
      I say give Woodson a chance, he’s got respect of the players and until a star players turns on him i dont think we should be entertaining possiblity of coaching change.

    31. johnlocke

      This whole fiasco is horrible for us….have a feeling Howard will have monster game tonight

    32. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      max fisher-cohen:
      Phil Jackson is the only coach I know of who has not only successfully gained the respect of primadonna players, but has also been able to change the way they play for the betterment of the team. Most of the coaches who get support from their superstars have to make serious concessions to their stars in terms of touches and style of play, often detrimental to the team’s success, in order to get them to play hard. Spoelstra did this with James and Wade, and even then, if not for Riley consistently backing him as the long term coach, I think Spoelstra would have taken the fall.

      I honestly think that many NBA teams would be just as well off hiring a licensed psychologist as their head coach.

    33. cgreene

      We are either going to get blown out or blow them out tonight. Weird circumstances follow the Knicks everywhere.

    34. JLam

      johnlocke:
      This whole fiasco is horrible for us….have a feeling Howard will have monster game tonight

      Howard won the battle against SVG and will be back next season with the Magic.
      I am sure one of his bargaining tools prior to the trade deadline was to have SVG removed as head coach if he was going waive his option and come back to the Magic.
      My feeling is that Magic will continue to fall in the standings .

    35. max fisher-cohen

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: I honestly think that many NBA teams would be just as well off hiring a licensed psychologist as their head coach.

      yup. haha. It also draws into focus how valuable it can be to have good character guys, even if their on-court talent is better. Howard’s shenanigans basically resulted in the Magic trading for Arenas, overpaying Big Baby in a sign and trade for a BETTER player in Bass, trading Carter, a first round pick and the Polish Hammer for Jason Richardson, and Turkoglu. They then re-signed the aging Richardson because Howard wanted them to. Management deserves some of the blame for not having the backbone to say “no, this is moronic,” but if they’d had, say, Kevin Durant instead, no way they’d be stuck with all these awful contracts.

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