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Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Apr 04 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Red-hot Melo goes for 40 in Knicks win over Hawks (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 06:11:26 GMT)
    If given the time and shots, Carmelo Anthony could have easily duplicated Bernard King’s franchise mark of back-to-back 50 point games. Anthony was that good again and the Atlanta Hawks proved to be just as defenseless against the NBA’s hottest player as the Miami Heat were on Tuesday.

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Knicks primed for title run? Clyde sees similarities to ’72 team (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 06:03:28 GMT)
    It just might be wishful thinking, but these Knicks are starting to remind Walt Frazier of the last Knicks champs, Frazier’s 1972-73 team that will be honored Friday night at the Garden to mark the 40th anniversary of that great title run.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Hurting Chandler says neck is stiff (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 03:51:10 GMT)
    Tyson Chandler refused to call it a setback but the Knicks’ All-Star center, who missed 10 games with a bulging disc in his neck, said he felt better against Miami on Tuesday than he did Wednesday night in a win over the Hawks.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Beat Suns 126-101 for Record 50th Win (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 06:18:52 GMT)
    The Clippers got their franchise-record 50th victory in their fourth try. It didn’t come without some fireworks that had nothing to do with celebrating.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Shake Off Slow Start, Beat Hornets 98-88 (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 05:13:03 GMT)
    David Lee had 23 points and 16 rebounds, Stephen Curry added 20 points and nine assists, and the Golden State Warriors shook off a slow start to ease past the New Orleans Hornets 98-88 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Parsons Leads Rockets to 112-102 Win Over Kings (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:51:51 GMT)
    Chandler Parsons scored 29 points and James Harden added 21 to lead the Houston Rockets to a 112-102 victory over the Sacramento Kings on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Celtics Hang On to Beat Pistons and Clinch Playoff Berth (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:45:58 GMT)
    Jeff Green scored 34 points, including a 3-pointer with 45 seconds left, and the Celtics clinched a playoff berth by beating Detroit.

  • [New York Times] Conley Has 20 and Grizzles Defeat Blazers 94-76 (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:42:56 GMT)
    Mike Conley scored 20 points and the Memphis Grizzlies set a franchise record for wins in a season with a 94-76 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Anthony Scores 40, Knicks Win 10th Straight (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 03:46:38 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony put on another scoring show, though he didn’t have to do it alone.

  • [New York Times] Gallinari, Faried Help Nuggets Knock Jazz Into 9th (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 03:40:41 GMT)
    Danilo Gallinari scored 21 points, including nine straight in the fourth quarter, and the Denver Nuggets beat Utah 113-96 Wednesday night to end the Jazz’s winning streak at five.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 95, Hawks 82: Carmelo Anthony Scores 40 as Knicks Roll Over Hawks (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 03:35:31 GMT)
    A night after scoring 50 in Miami, Carmelo Anthony led the Knicks again, as they extended their best winning streak since 1994.

  • [New York Times] Groups of Investors Make Pitches for Sacramento Kings (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 03:32:26 GMT)
    Two heavyweight investment groups who want to buy the Kings from the Maloof family made their cases to the N.B.A.’s advisory finance and relocation committees.

  • [New York Times] Nets 113, Cavaliers 95: Nets Ensure a Winning Road Record for the First Time as an N.B.A. Team (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 03:27:02 GMT)
    MarShon Brooks scored 27 points, and the Nets earned their 21st road victory of the season by routing the Cavaliers.

  • [New York Times] Green Helps Depleted Spurs Pull Away From Magic (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 03:10:29 GMT)
    Danny Green scored 20 points and Gary Neal added 16 to pace the depleted San Antonio Spurs to a 98-84 victory over the Orlando Magic on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pekovic and Rubio Lead Wolves Past Bucks 107-98 (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 02:28:03 GMT)
    Nikola Pekovic scored 27 points and Ricky Rubio added 18 points, 12 assists and eight steals to lead the Minnesota Timberwolves to a 107-98 win over the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Hold On to Beat Pistons, Make Playoffs (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 02:22:29 GMT)
    Jeff Green scored 34 points, including a 3-pointer with 45 seconds left to snap Boston’s two-minute scoring drought, and the Celtics clinched a playoff berth by beating the Detroit Pistons 98-93 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Valanciunas Has Career Night, Raptors Beat Wizards (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 02:10:18 GMT)
    Jonas Valanciunas scored a career-high 24 points and grabbed 10 rebounds as the Toronto Raptors beat the Washington Wizards 88-78 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Henderson Helps Bobcats End Sixers’ Streak at 3 (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 01:51:56 GMT)
    Gerald Henderson scored 24 points, Kemba Walker had 17 points, 10 assists and five steals, and the Charlotte Bobcats snapped Philadelphia’s three-game winning streak with an 88-83 victory over the 76ers on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Nets Beat Cavs to Set Franchise Mark for Road Wins (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 01:36:49 GMT)
    Deron Williams scored 24 points and Brooklyn ended an eight-game road trip by crushing the Cleveland Cavaliers 113-95 on Wednesday night, giving the Nets a record for road wins in a season.

  • [New York Times] Sacramento, Seattle Groups Present to NBA Owners (Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:34:07 GMT)
    The future home of the Kings may not be settled this month after all.

  • 75 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Apr 04 2013)

    1. Frank

      Re: the lack of respect given to us by the media:
      Most of it centers around the perception that we can’t play consistent defense. But in the last 11 games (not really THAT small a sample), we’ve held 9 of the teams to less than 95 points, and 6 teams to less than 90 points. The only 2 that have scored >100 points were Memphis and Charlotte, and we were up by 30 in both those games which led to a natural decrease in defensive intensity IMHO. Obviously they are pace issues involved in the low points given up, but still– our average margin of victory during this winning streak is 11.5. I don’t care who you play, that is impressive. And all without the reigning DPOY playing at all or with any effectiveness when he does.

    2. Kurt

      Here’s a great breakdown on how Melo got his points against the Heat.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwDbey1FOSE

      It points out how the Knicks exploited the Heat’s defensive strategy by putting Melo on the wings.

      I remember commenting that Melo on the wings when he’s hitting his three pointers on the catch might as well be illegal. It’s great to see the Knicks use it, especially against the Heat.

    3. DRed

      So we should shut Tyson down for another week, right? We’re really in a tough spot since Camby is so useless. Tyson’s neck is pretty clearly still fucked up, but at the same time, you really can’t rely on K-Mart to play big minutes without getting hurt either. I’m not sure what we do here.

    4. d-mar

      It really looks inevitable that we’ll play the Celtics in the 1st round. Returning to my anxiety (hopefully misguided) from the prior thread, my biggest concern would be coaching. Doc is a great strategist, and I worry that he would throw out some defensive schemes to slow down Melo that Woody would be unprepared for. And suddenly it’s a 1-1 series going back to Boston and the doubt starts to creep in.

      I know we’re the better team, but I really don’t want to see them in Round 1.

    5. KnickfaninNJ

      Really you’d rather play Chicago instead of Boston in the first round? Our record against these two teams this season suggests otherwise. And Chicago has been more trouble for other top teams than Boston has.

    6. d-mar

      KnickfaninNJ:
      Really you’d rather play Chicago instead of Boston in the first round? Our record against these two teams this season suggests otherwise.And Chicago has been more trouble for other top teams than Boston has.

      I’d rather see neither frankly, but who exactly does Chicago go to for points down the stretch? Nate? Boozer? On the other hand, Boston has a guy who only hits big shots vs. the Knicks (Pierce) and a coach who devises illegal screen plays (Garnett) that free up open shooters for game winning baskets.

    7. KnickfaninNJ

      From Basketball reference stats below there’s not as much drop off in scoring as you might think. Since the Knicks seem to beat Boston more easily than Chicago this season, I am not sure you can argue that the clutch capabilities of Boston’s players are making a difference. And from a coaching standpoint, what Thibideau has done this year without Rose is more impressive than what Boston has done.

      Player Peirce Robinson Boozer
      Per 19 16 17
      EFG .499 .456 .564
      Assists/36 5 4.7 2.7
      Points/36 20 18 18

    8. Frank

      Saw a useful stat about Shump this morning, can’t remember where–

      Since his first 25 or so games (during which he was used primarily as a PG) he shot about 24% from 3 point range — since his switch off the ball, he’s shooting about 40% (65+ games).

    9. ruruland

      Got this from Herring today : “@nolandruland @knickerbacker Anthony gets doubled on the block more frequently than any other wing player in the NBA, per Synergy.”

    10. jon abbey

      KnickfaninNJ:
      Since the Knicks seem to beat Boston more easily than Chicago this season, I am not sure you can argue that the clutch capabilities of Boston’s players are making a difference.

      Garnett missed the last two games, so pretty irrelevant in terms of how they connect to a playoff series.

      I think the thing to keep in mind is that Deng seems to match up exceedingly well with Melo at both ends, hopefully he’s a lot more worn down than when we last saw them if that ends up being the matchup.

    11. MeloDrama

      Boston won’t go quietly, but I wouldn’t fear them. This isn’t the same team that’s gone deep into the postseason and exceeded their seed the past two years. Those teams were fueled by four great players banding together for a run … two of those guys are gone now.

      Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce are bad men, but I don’t fear Boston.

    12. thenamestsam

      Frank:
      Saw a useful stat about Shump this morning, can’t remember where–

      Since his first 25 or so games (during which he was used primarily as a PG) he shot about 24% from 3 point range — since his switch off the ball, he’s shooting about 40% (65+ games).

      I was joking with a friend last night that if this Shumpert kid could just learn to play some defense he could really make something of himself in this league. Obviously tongue in cheek, but it’s pretty funny to me that his offense has been very reliable recently while it’s his defense that clearly has Woody pissed with him on a pretty regular basis.

      ruruland:
      Got this from Herring today : “@nolandruland @knickerbacker Anthony gets doubled on the block more frequently than any other wing player in the NBA, per Synergy.”

      That’s a fascinating stat, and like everything else with basketball it’s a complicated knot to untangle. Is it because he’s an extremely efficient scorer down there? Obviously that plays a huge part in it. But how much of it has to do with teams not fearing his teammates? How much of it has to do with teams not fearing his passing ability? Fun to think about. Thanks for sharing that.

    13. Juany8

      thenamestsam: I was joking with a friend last night that if this Shumpert kid could just learn to play some defense he could really make something of himself in this league. Obviously tongue in cheek, but it’s pretty funny to me that his offense has been very reliable recently while it’s his defense that clearly has Woody pissed with him on a pretty regular basis.

      That’s a fascinating stat, and like everything else with basketball it’s a complicated knot to untangle. Is it because he’s an extremely efficient scorer down there? Obviously that plays a huge part in it. But how much of it has to do with teams not fearing his teammates? How much of it has to do with teams not fearing his passing ability? Fun to think about. Thanks for sharing that.

      I think the thing to consider with those types of stats is that while they don’t prove that Melo “deserves” to be doubled more than anyone in the league because he’s uber talented, but the fact that he’s first overall clearly means teams fear him enough to consistently double team him. They don’t do that for Tyson Chandler lol, or even guys like Iguodala and Deng, so clearly teams fear Melo with the ball enough to make him give it up.

    14. KnickfaninNJ

      jon abbey: Garnett missed the last two games, so pretty irrelevant in terms of how they connect to a playoff series.

      I think the thing to keep in mind is that Deng seems to match up exceedingly well with Melo at both ends, hopefully he’s a lot more worn down than when we last saw them if that ends up being the matchup.

      Fair enough.

    15. Douglas

      Kurt:
      Here’s a great breakdown on how Melo got his points against the Heat.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwDbey1FOSE

      It points out how the Knicks exploited the Heat’s defensive strategy by putting Melo on the wings.

      I remember commenting that Melo on the wings when he’s hitting his three pointers on the catch might as well be illegal. It’s great to see the Knicks use it, especially against the Heat.

      I have been waiting forever for Coach Nick to do a breakdown of a Knicks win. This is great.

    16. Douglas

      thenamestsam: Obviously tongue in cheek, but it’s pretty funny to me that his offense has been very reliable recently while it’s his defense that clearly has Woody pissed with him on a pretty regular basis.

      Shump’s isolation defense is his strength. Off-ball seems to be a different story. Watching him get swallowed up by screens and make shitty decisions to double-team in the post are so hard to watch.

    17. thenamestsam

      Douglas: Shump’s isolation defense is his strength. Off-ball seems to be a different story. Watching him get swallowed up by screens and make shitty decisions to double-team in the post are so hard to watch.

      Definitely agree and it’s reassuring that lots of young players struggle with team defense concepts in their first few years. With that crazy schedule last year and then the injury it’s not surprising that he’d still be finding his way. What I don’t understand is why Woodson insists on sticking him on catch and shoot guys like Novak and Reddick, but what do I know?

    18. KnickFaninMontana

      I can see where Woody is trying to play Chandler back into the lineup but it seems as if it’s doing a lot more harm than good. K-Mart needs to start until Chandler is better again. Maybe sit Chandler until the playoffs begin.
      I don’t care what anyone says the Knicks are going to spank Boston’s buttock come the playoffs. We want them first when we’re fresh. No Rondo, Garnett looking more feeble than ever, and Doc cannot get out there to run the team. We’ll be all right.
      I want to say something negative about the Knick D but when were holding opponents to under 95 points per game … maybe leave Kidd in against the opponents three point shooters. It seem like Kidd came in and shut down Korver (Atl’s 3-point shooter) in the second half especially in the 4th quarter.
      Mello needs to involve some of thee scorers more. It’s great to see him score 50, 40, but if he doesn’t involve some of the scorers more it’ll hurt come playoffs. He should know the other playoff teams are taking notes. A complete player will know this and use it to his advantage. 20-30 points a game with 6-9 assist would really throw the other teams for a loop.
      Knicks should try to get Bosch this summer. Get rid of the hurt big men and use their salary for him. Don’t know though … just saying.

    19. ruruland

      Juany8:They don’t do that for Tyson Chandler lol, or even guys like Iguodala and Deng, so clearly teams fear Melo with the ball enough to make him give it up.

      Overall, I actually think teams are doubling him less than in years past. Knicks are a very good spot-shooting team.

      But consider when they double Melo they are opting for the choice of open spot-up 3s (the most efficient in basketball) over a guy “isolating” / posting up.

      Isolations/post-ups have a lower net ppp compared to spot-ups by a considerable margin, even for the game’s best post/iso scorers like Melo.

      Miami’s entire defensive strategy against the Knicks is to keep Melo from touching the basketball.

      Greg Popovich has always fronted Melo and brought a big behind the front.

      So it begs the question, is there something missing in the publicly available data?

      I’d argue no question. When we start to throw away the post-ups and isolations that come against the clock, I think both of those plays become far, far more efficient, at least for the best players.

      Spot-ups, on the other hand do not change nearly as much based on the clock.

      That’s why you see guys like Melo and JR Smith having to create something out of nothing when the clock runs down, because players nearly always pass-up guarded spot-ups, because they are essentially blind heaves.

      When you surround JR and Melo with a bunch of one-dimensional non-skilled offensive players that are spot-ups shooters, both guys are going to take an incredibly disproportionate number of shots with 10 seconds or less on clock.

      But there isn’t a single metric that measures the difference in shot types vs efficiency and usage. I’m sure it’s coming though.

      We already know that efficiency decreases for star players when their usage goes into the extremes.

    20. jon abbey

      he was a lot better at team defense last year, I think. this year he seems to still not be trusting his instincts, which maybe is smart since his instincts thus far this year often seem to suck. I’d still like to see him get more second half PT, but if it’s not broke, don’t fix it, I guess.

    21. Frank

      I really wish Shane Battier was on the Knicks — even though he’s on the Heat, I just love that guy–
      from Haberstroh’s twitter:

      Shane Battier was asked if a female trying out would be a sideshow. “Listen, this whole thing is a sideshow. What’s one more trailer?”

    22. BigBlueAL

      Z-man:
      So who do we root for tonight, Chicago, right?

      Definitely. Want the Bulls to pass Hawks for that 5 seed.

    23. d-mar

      BigBlueAL: Definitely.Want the Bulls to pass Hawks for that 5 seed.

      Yeah, but what a bite in the ass it would be if we got the 2 seed and played Boston and Indy got the 3 seed and played Atlanta. Sort of like last year when we got to play Miami in the 1st round instead of Chicago without Rose.

    24. Juany8

      Frank:
      I really wish Shane Battier was on the Knicks — even though he’s on the Heat, I just love that guy–
      from Haberstroh’s twitter:

      Shane Battier was asked if a female trying out would be a sideshow.“Listen, this whole thing is a sideshow. What’s one more trailer?”

      Lol I kind of hate that he went to the Heat instead of somewhere like OKC (or the Knicks!) but I totally loved Shane Battier when he played for the Rockets. He deserves his ring, he totally swung that series with his absurd shooting (or Scott Brooks swung it by deciding that Ibaka would be perfectly fine guarding a smoking hot Battier on the perimeter)

    25. BigBlueAL

      d-mar: Yeah, but what a bite in the ass it would be if we got the 2 seed and played Boston and Indy got the 3 seed and played Atlanta. Sort of like last year when we got to play Miami in the 1st round instead of Chicago without Rose.

      Why are so many people here still so scared of the Celtics?? I want to play them because kicking their ass and eliminating them in 5 games will be sweet as hell.

    26. jon abbey

      sure seems like Chicago, Atlanta and Boston are all doing their best to lose enough to stay out of the 5 spot and out of Miami’s half.

    27. d-mar

      BigBlueAL: Why are so many people here still so scared of the Celtics??I want to play them because kicking their ass and eliminating them in 5 games will be sweet as hell.

      Not scared of Boston, just would rather not play them. I know I’m in the minority, but I’d rather play Chicago. Yes they play balls out defense, but their offense is anemic and they have no one to go to for scoring in a tight game.

    28. BigBlueAL

      d-mar: Not scared of Boston, just would rather not play them. I know I’m in the minority, but I’d rather play Chicago. Yes they play balls out defense, but their offense is anemic and they have no one to go to for scoring in a tight game.

      Dont get me wrong, I would love to play the Hawks instead of Boston or Chicago. But I have no problem whatsoever with playing the Celtics and eliminating them would be sweet as hell.

      If the Bulls will be this injured though come playoff time then yeah give me them instead.

    29. Eternal OptiKnist

      OK, so i dont know if any of you are around, but i need a few shoulders to cry on

    30. Eternal OptiKnist

      What i so feared 2 weeks ago when i heard that Tyson was out “a week” with a bulging disk has been realized. He wound up being out two weeks and i really got worried. Then he played in Miami and i thought maybe he just needed to get his rythym, etc back…then last night happened. Ladies and gentlemen, the season is over. He will be 70% in the playoffs at best. That might get us out of the first round, but Indiana will eat us alive with him in that state. Kmart, for all the great play he’s given us has injuries of his own and he cant give us this primary-option production 30 minutes a night. He’s got two bad knees. It will be cool to have our first 50+ win season and Atlantic Division title since Ford introduced the Model T but unfortunately thats where it’ll end for us. Which sucks because if we get the 2 seed we would have made it it the conference finals..

    31. ruruland

      We’ve heard different variations of that kind of gloom all year. How do you know Tyson can’t get closer to 100 percent in 3 weeks, or close to 5 weeks (when we’ll need him in playoffs)?

      How do you know that Amar’e Stoudemire won’t be able to come back within 4-5 weeks and regain the form he had earlier in the season in the second round and beyond?

      Melo’s knee injury nagged him for weeks. He’s healthy now. Raymond Felton’s pinkie is better — he’s shooting much better.

      Few thought Iman Shumpert would find his explosion — he has.

      No one thought Amar’e would be any good when he first came back, even fewer figured he had any value after his first 5-6 games.

      Jason Kidd was never supposed to be able to shoot again.

      We could go on and on and on.

      The bulging disc is getting better, doesn’t need surgery, and Tyson hasn’t even tried the cortisone treatment yet.

      You guys just kill me.

    32. Eternal OptiKnist

      I know what i saw last night…the guy was in pain. He was out for two weeks and from what i gather had no improvement. His tone and demeanor in his post game was most disconcerting. If this was February, i’m right there with you. The guy is not going to be right from here on out and im sick over it.

    33. d-mar

      Tom Thibodeau may be the angriest looking coach in NBA history. Always looks like he wants to kill someone.

    34. BigBlueAL

      d-mar:
      Tom Thibodeau may be the angriest looking coach in NBA history. Always looks like he wants to kill someone.

      Probably got that from all those years coaching with JVG. Although he was more depressed looking than angry lol.

    35. Eternal OptiKnist

      ruruland: We’ve heard different variations of that kind of gloom all year. How do you know Tyson can’t get closer to 100 percent in 3 weeks, or close to 5 weeks (when we’ll need him in playoffs)? How do you know that Amar’e Stoudemire won’t be able to come back within 4-5 weeks and regain the form he had earlier in the season in the second round and beyond? Melo’s knee injury nagged him for weeks. He’s healthy now. Raymond Felton’s pinkie is better — he’s shooting much better. Few thought Iman Shumpert would find his explosion — he has. No one thought Amar’e would be any good when he first came back, even fewer figured he had any value after his first 5-6 games. Jason Kidd was never supposed to be able to shoot again.We could go on and on and on. The bulging disc is getting better, doesn’t need surgery, and Tyson hasn’t even tried the cortisone treatment yet. You guys just kill me.

      I had the utmost confidence in Amare…i was so happy for him when he came back when nobody believed in him…ridiculing the time he spent with Hakeem. I actually think he’s going to come back and make an impact this postseason. But i do realize that he’ll never stay healthy long enough over the course of an 82-game season to really dominate the way he did in 2010. I never doubted J Kidd could get out of his slump. But i did question whether shump could make an impact this season…i thought it’d be next. But he’s rounding into form right on time

    36. BigBlueAL

      Oh shit what happened to Gallo???? Just turned on the Nuggets-Mavs game for the first time and they were showing Gallo being taken to the locker room in a wheelchair. Nuggets announcers sound depressed right now.

    37. Eternal OptiKnist

      But the chandler injury is just horribly, horribly timed. As a center its kind of important to be able to look up and raise your arms a bit.

    38. Eternal OptiKnist

      and he’s been dealing with this neck thing for a long time….we’ve all seen him stretching, rubbing it, etc a long time ago.

    39. d-mar

      Bulls in the 5 spot right now, Atlanta at 6. Assuming they stay where they are, would we rather grab the 2 spot and play Boston and have home court in the 2nd round, or fall to 3 and play Atlanta and not have home court in round 2? I’ll take the Hawks please, and an additional plus is Indy and Boston can beat each other up in the first round.

    40. BigBlueAL

      Damn saw a replay of Gallo injuring his knee. No contact injury, hurt it when driving to the hoop. Doesnt look good.

      Of all the ex-Knick players traded away/let go the only one I truly miss and always wish the best for is Gallo.

    41. BigBlueAL

      d-mar:
      Bulls in the 5 spot right now, Atlanta at 6. Assuming they stay where they are, would we rather grab the 2 spot and play Boston and have home court in the 2nd round, or fall to 3 and play Atlanta and not have home court in round 2? I’ll take the Hawks please, and an additional plus is Indy and Boston can beat each other up in the first round.

      No way. Give me the 2 seed and homecourt in the 2nd round any day. Boston aint beating up the Pacers or Knicks, both will beat them in 5 games with no problems.

    42. Frank

      Re gallo- I didn’t see it but twitter is saying it was non contact and looked like Derrick rose injury. That is bad. Best to Gallo- hope its just a temporary scare like Tyson’s knee was.

      I don’t much care whether we play Atlanta or Boston but I DO care that we have 2nd round home court assuming its the pacers. That said- now that our magic umber for clinching the 3 spot is 3, it’s time to sit Tyson down. If we can somehow get the 2 seed with Tyson resting, great. But I agree with eternal that we will need Tyson near 100% in the 2nd round and later.

    43. bobneptune

      BigBlueAL:
      Oh shit what happened to Gallo????Just turned on the Nuggets-Mavs game for the first time and they were showing Gallo being taken to the locker room in a wheelchair.Nuggets announcers sound depressed right now.

      A non contact injury in the lane. Looked very bad. Don’t be surprised if his ACL is shredded.

    44. Brian Cronin

      Yep, Gallo’s gotta be done for the Nuggets. Ah well. Too bad for them. It is almost nice to see other teams get fucked with injuries like the Knicks, though. :)

    45. Frank

      And I would love Chicago in the 5 spot upsetting the Nets then taking the Heat to 6 or 7 games in a war that leaves the Heat exhausted for us in the ECF.

    46. Brian Cronin

      Wow, so none of you think Tyson’s injury is bad?

      I’m sure it is pretty bad. But eh, when Melo and/or JR is on fire, it really doesn’t matter who is playing at center for the Knicks. Well, until they play the Pacers and/or Heat in the playoffs, of course.

    47. Frank

      Brian Cronin:
      Yep, Gallo’s gotta be done for the Nuggets. Ah well. Too bad for them. It is almost nice to see other teams get fucked with injuries like the Knicks, though. :)

      Lol f you’re going to go there, then it might as well be someone on the Heat for Pete’s sake

    48. Eternal OptiKnist

      Brian Cronin: Yep, Gallo’s gotta be done for the Nuggets. Ah well. Too bad for them. It is almost nice to see other teams get fucked with injuries like the Knicks, though. :)

      oof…bad karma dude..

    49. Eternal OptiKnist

      Brian Cronin: I’m sure it is pretty bad. But eh, when Melo and/or JR is on fire, it really doesn’t matter who is playing at center for the Knicks. Well, until they play the Pacers and/or Heat in the playoffs, of course.

      we can maybe shoot our way out of round potentially, but a 65% Tyson gets us bounced out of the second round in 5 or 6 games

    50. Brian Cronin

      oof…bad karma dude..

      Ha! Hey, I said almost! I don’t actually wish injuries on anyone, even the Heat. :) Anyhow, the Nuggets have enough depth that they can survive an injury to anyone but Lawson. Well, in the first round, at least. They were going to have trouble in the second round anyways.

      But yeah, I do feel bad for Gallo. It sucks for him.

    51. Eternal OptiKnist

      Brian Cronin: Ha! Hey, I said almost! I don’t actually wish injuries on anyone, even the Heat. :)

      lol, ok good. we need all the karma we can get right now :) I’m so depressed about Tyson right now..feels like last season all over again..

    52. bobneptune

      Brian Cronin: I’m sure it is pretty bad. But eh, when Melo and/or JR is on fire, it really doesn’t matter who is playing at center for the Knicks. Well, until they play the Pacers and/or Heat in the playoffs, of course.

      Of course it is a big deal in the intermediate term. The Kicks are very short for bigs.

      Amar’e coming back and being effective this season is a pipe dream. Even if he does come back, they are 16-13 when Amar’e plays and 32-13 when he doesn’t. Even if he returns, the melo/chandler/amar’e compatibility issues don’t go away.

      And Martin with his 2 microfractured knees can’t play extended minutes for extended games. So Chandler’s health is an immense issue.

    53. ruruland

      bobneptune: Of course it is a big deal in the intermediate term. The Kicks are very short for bigs.

      Amar’e coming backand being effective this season is a pipe dream. Even if he does come back, they are 16-13 when Amar’e plays and 32-13 when he doesn’t. Even if he returns, the melo/chandler/amar’e compatibility issues don’t go away.

      And Martin with his 2 microfractured knees can’t play extended minutes for extended games. So Chandler’s health is an immense issue.

      It is an immense issue. But the chandler/melo/amare problems are mostly myth. They’ve been excellent together this year. In fact, Melo and Chandler have been better with Amar’e on the floor than not.

      The team has really struggled when Amar’e plays center without either of them, and that should be no surprise.

      But the record stuff is silly. can’t blame Amar’e for the Knicks playing poorly with him and great without him. Merely coincidence.

      The guy was the focal point of a bunch of incredible offense, and thrived with Shaq for christ’s sake.

      He was playing great. And we heard that he’d make no impact the first time he came back.

    54. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, the record stuff is definitely misleading. They aren’t hot because Amar’e isn’t there, just like they weren’t hot because Chandler wasn’t there. They are hot because JR became one of the twenty best players in the game for a stretch of games and more recently, Melo had an insanely hot streak of games.

      However, if those two guys can continue to be hot, they don’t need Amar’e or Chandler (well, until the second round, that is).

      Obviously, you’d rather have Amar’e and Chandler so that the Knicks can win without Melo and JR being hot, but they are fully capable of winning against anyone in the league if Melo and JR are both hot.

    55. Eternal OptiKnist

      ruruland: It is an immense issue. But the chandler/melo/amare problems are mostly myth. They’ve been excellent together this year. In fact, Melo and Chandler have been better with Amar’e on the floor than not.The team has really struggled when Amar’e plays center without either of them, and that should be no surprise.But the record stuff is silly. can’t blame Amar’e for the Knicks playing poorly with him and great without him. Merely coincidence. The guy was the focal point of a bunch of incredible offense, and thrived with Shaq for christ’s sake. He was playing great. And we heard that he’d make no impact the first time he came back.

      On that i agree…we were already playing like shit when amare was sstarting to play again. Im not sure anyone is saying that…all im saying is tyson has a bad injury at a very bad time

    56. Eternal OptiKnist

      Eternal OptiKnist: On that i agree…we were already playing like shit when amare was sstarting to play again. Im not sure anyone is saying that…all im saying is tyson has a bad injury at a very bad time

      oh…i just realized thats exactly what bob was saying…yea…no..total coincidence..amare was playing great

    57. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      Yeah, the record stuff is definitely misleading. They aren’t hot because Amar’e isn’t there, just like they weren’t hot because Chandler wasn’t there. They are hot because JR became one of the twenty best players in the game for a stretch of games and more recently, Melo had an insanely hot streak of games.

      However, if those two guys can continue to be hot, they don’t need Amar’e or Chandler (well, until the second round, that is).

      Obviously, you’d rather have Amar’e and Chandler so that the Knicks can win without Melo and JR being hot, but they are fully capable of winning against anyone in the league if Melo and JR are both hot.

      Yep

    58. bobneptune

      Eternal OptiKnist: oh…i just realized thats exactly what bob was saying…yea…no..total coincidence..amare was playing great

      That’s actually not true. The knicks opened 13-5 and were red hot hitting 3 from everywhere shooting 41% (I think). Their next 12 games they were 8-4. Amare played his first game in game 31 vs Portland.

      The knicks were 8 and 4 after their hot start immediately preceding Amar’e's return to the line up. In what universe is 8 and 4 defined as “already playing bad”?

      And it isn’t going to matter as the chances of Amare returning and playing effectively after being out for 10 weeks in round 2 of the playoffs is pretty slim.

      As to Brian saying Chandler’s health doesn’t matter as long as melo plays the 4 like Bob Pettit and JR plays like Clyde Drexler, it won’t be any problem, I’d just suggest looking at their playoff advanced stats.

    59. max fisher-cohen

      @bobneptune

      Their record was deceiving. In November, the Knicks were 11-4. In December they were 10-5. Doesn’t sound like much of a difference, right? But when you look at point differential, there is a HUGE difference. In November, the Knicks were +10.5/100 possessions. In December, they were only +2.9. In other words, they simply got lucky in close games in December and unlucky in November.

      I do think that people are overrating Stoudemire’s impact just because they’re comparing to last year. Yes, it’s wonderful that the STAT/Melo/Chandler trio is pretty solid since last year they were in the negatives when all together, but the chemistry is still nowhere near what you would hope for from a $10m/year player, let alone $20m/year.

      Still, having a healthy Stoudemire would IMO be some help to this team as long as Woodson uses him right. The problems come in if he ends up playing center or playing alongside Anthony with the wrong combo of guards. If that happens (and I there’s a good chance IMO that it would given Woodson’s allegiance to his vets) he could very well end up hurting more than he helps. In any case, he’s no savior, not that the Knicks have been playing like the need one.

      Anyway, saw that Gallo injury. Really too bad. He was a fun player to watch, and the Nuggets are a great team to watch. I was hoping they’d make some sort playoff run. Doesn’t seem likely without Gallinari though.

    60. Eternal OptiKnist

      bobneptune: That’s actually not true. The knicks opened 13-5 and were red hot hitting 3 from everywhere shooting 41% (I think). Their next 12 games they were 8-4. Amare played his first game in game 31 vs Portland.The knicks were 8 and 4 after their hot start immediately preceding Amar’e’s return to the line up. In what universe is 8 and 4 defined as “already playing bad”? And it isn’t going to matter as the chances of Amare returning and playing effectively after being out for 10 weeks in round 2 of the playoffs is pretty slim.As to Brian saying Chandler’s health doesn’t matter as long as melo plays the 4 like Bob Pettit and JR plays like Clyde Drexler, it won’t be any problem, I’d just suggest looking at their playoff advanced stats.

      Dude, their record might not have started to show it yet…but i remember having conversations with my friends saying how in early/mid December their defense fell off a map…it was driving me nuts that no one in the media was picking up on it beacuse they were still winning at a pretty decent clip. Everyone thought i was nuts…but it eventually started to cost them games and then amare came back like 2 days after ray goes down. Blaming Amare for them falling off is so revisionist history. I think Brian was being slightly sarcastic..anyone who thinks we make it out of the 2nd round without a 100% tyson is delusional.

    61. jon abbey

      people need to stop overlooking the first round. if it’s not Atlanta, it’s not going to be easy.

    62. Robtachi

      Hey what happened to that swell dogrufus fella?

      I’ve gotta say, it’s pretty gutless how those kinda guys utterly vanish when the Knicks play well. ruru may be a Melo-lover (I have yet to understand the great offense he’s committing – talented players have tons of supporters who possibly overvalue them, you are free to simply disagree and subscribe to whatever you feel is a more objective viewpoint), but he’s always here, commenting when the Knicks are bad and Melo is stinkin’ it up, just the same as when things are great and he gets to strut around a bit.

      The only thing I dislike almost as much as wholesale willful ignorance is lacking the balls to stick up for your firmly held beliefs. At least ruru’s got that.

    63. Brian Cronin

      I think Brian was being slightly sarcastic..anyone who thinks we make it out of the 2nd round without a 100% tyson is delusional.

      Right, I said they’d need him for the second round. I’m just saying they could easily win the first round without him. However, it is fair to say that they might need him against a Celtics team with KG, as well. Plus, obviously they’d need him against the Bulls. Hmmm…yeah, I guess I misspoke. They only don’t need him against Atlanta. I still think that they could beat anyone without him, but the oddS WOULD greatly improve with him against Chicago and Boston.

    64. ruruland

      Robtachi:
      Hey what happened to that swell dogrufus fella?

      I’ve gotta say, it’s pretty gutless how those kinda guys utterly vanish when the Knicks play well.ruru may be a Melo-lover (I have yet to understand the great offense he’s committing – talented players have tons of supporters who possibly overvalue them, you are free to simply disagree and subscribe to whatever you feel is a more objective viewpoint), but he’s always here, commenting when the Knicks are bad and Melo is stinkin’ it up, just the same as when things are great and he gets to strut around a bit.

      The only thing I dislike almost as much as wholesale willful ignorance is lacking the balls to stick up for your firmly held beliefs. At least ruru’s got that.

      damning with faint praise? haha, I’ll take it anyway.

      Yeah, I’m not going anywhere. I still show up on the two Nuggets boards I regular posted at (though far less frequently), despite the falling out.

      But I’d hope I provide more to the board than just fanboy nonsense haha.

    65. ruruland

      Robtachi:
      Hey what happened to that swell dogrufus fella?

      I’ve gotta say, it’s pretty gutless how those kinda guys utterly vanish when the Knicks play well.ruru may be a Melo-lover (I have yet to understand the great offense he’s committing – talented players have tons of supporters who possibly overvalue them, you are free to simply disagree and subscribe to whatever you feel is a more objective viewpoint), but he’s always here, commenting when the Knicks are bad and Melo is stinkin’ it up, just the same as when things are great and he gets to strut around a bit.

      The only thing I dislike almost as much as wholesale willful ignorance is lacking the balls to stick up for your firmly held beliefs. At least ruru’s got that.

      But also not surprised by Owen and friends. Since I’ve been here they’ve disappeared during the good times. Oh, but they’re Knicks fans.

    66. ruruland

      So this is pretty amazing guys.

      There have been 178 streaks in NBA history of 40 + pts in a row. Wilt owns most of them, with many streaks lasting weeks.

      However, Melo is the only player in NBA HISTORY t to have the following in such a streak:

      Shoot 66 % or better from the field during streak.

      Have a total of one turnover.

      So yes, Melo’s two games were actually unprecedented in the history of the league.

      A few players shot better (since 1990)

      Consecutive games with 40 points or more and higher than Melo’s 66% from the field:

      Lebron James 2006
      Jamison- 2000
      Jordan – 1991 (3 games !!)
      Barkley 1990

      Jordan had two 40+ pt game streaks with one turnover, in 1998 and 1997, but shot a lower percentage than Melo.

    67. ruruland

      Durant, as lethal a scorer as there is, seemed awestruck by what Anthony has accomplished.

      “I mean, the stuff he’s doing right now, every time he touches the ball it looks like it’s going to go in,” Durant said. “He’s having a nice run right now and his confidence is high. I’m sure he’s going to take over. If it happens, cool.”

      Anthony has yet to win a scoring title in his 10-year career, despite the fact he’s averaged more than 25 points in six of those seasons.

      “I coached Carmelo for three years (as an assistant coach at Denver), that’s probably not something that he wants,” Thunder coach Scott Brooks said. “He wants the championship just as much as KD does.”

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