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Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Nov 25 2012)

  • [New York Newsday] Tyson Chandler, Knicks vow to get back on defense (Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:33:34 EST)
    Tyson Chandler has taken losses harder than any of the other Knicks players, harder than he did last season. The Knicks' higher expectations could have something to do with it, or perhaps it's because Chandler isn't playing as well as he's capable.

  • [New York Post] Aging Knicks need Amar’e, Iman (Sun, 25 Nov 2012 04:28:30 -0500)
    Dear Amar’e and Iman: Greetings from Houston. Happy holidays. Get well soon!
    That would be my succinct Texas postcard to the two Knicks absentee studs.
    It’s time to re-evaluate the notion Amar’e Stoudemire and Iman Shumpert â?? namely the former â?? will rock the Knicks’ Love Boat upon their…

  • [New York Post] Anthony getting technical (Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:51:14 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony has raved about Rasheed Wallace’s impact as a team leader and defensive genius, but recently, Anthony has been picking up on Wallace’s worst trait â?? battling referees.Wallace is the all-time league leader in technical fouls, but Anthony leads the NBA this season with five techs, and…

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks star forward Anthony whistles no-calls (Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:31:21 GMT)
    A glance at the box score told Carmelo Anthony that at least one go-to-scorer was getting to the foul line. James Harden, the Houston Rockets’ best player, attempted 16 free throws in Friday’s win. Anthony took two.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ Chandler ‘concerned’ about lackluster ‘D’ (Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:09:13 GMT)
    The Knicks are no doubt a legitimate threat in the Eastern Conference, as demonstrated by their encouraging 6-0 start. But like every other team they have issues, several of which were exposed in consecutive losses.

  • [New York Daily News] Nets and Knicks to finally face off in Brooklyn (Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:29:24 GMT)
    The hurricane delay for the first NBA battle of the boroughs only gave Brooklyn boosters a bit more time to puff out their chests.

  • 104 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Nov 25 2012)

    1. Frank O.

      Tyson had a knee clash in the 1st period of the Houston game. He needed treatment.
      Brewer’s knee, which swelled up 11 days ago, got treatment. Berman says Wallace’s foot could be something that lingers. Camby is not in shape. Just look at him.
      I think this is why the D slipped. This is why performance dropped off.
      I know some folks are so ready to give up on Amare, but he will be a welcome addition.
      I think all this concern about Amare and Melo working together is just the chattering class’s navel gazing. We like the mismatch of Melo at the 4? Melo was as good at the three because he causes mismatches there…and with Amare in there, it’s harder to double Melo, so long as Melo looks for help when the double comes. It works if Melo wants it to work and Ray gets Amare involved. Period.
      And then there is Amare, who when healthy, is a freak of nature. He’s not over the hill. just wait.
      And Shump’s return will take pressure off of Brewer’s knee. (Between them we’ll have two excellent knees)
      One way or another, an older team is going to have these issues. My hope is, this team gets into the playoffs with everyone healthy after an up and down season of mostly very good play. Once there, all this experience and talent could make one hell of a run.
      Last, as well as this team started, there are a lot of new parts, and playing together well is not yet muscle memory. Teams are scouting and adjusting, and coupled with injuries, the Knicks need to react and see who they are as a team. This opening run wasn’t as heady as Linsanity, but it was pretty terrific. But the nba season is a grind. It takes time to come together.

    2. d-mar

      I really want to know what’s up with Tyson, he had a good game against the Mavs, but vs. the Rockets (and prior games) he was a complete non-factor protecting the rim. I know Woodson called out the guards for allowing penetration, but in pick and roll offenses (and with no hand checking) opposing guards are going to get into the paint. That’s always been the luxury of having Chandler back there, but now he just seems passive. Most alarming development for the Knicks IMO.

    3. daJudge

      Great post Frank O. D-Mar-I am also concerned with Tyson. He is certainly saying all the right things though. The injury stuff is of concern, but it is what it is, right? Hey, at least they’re talking about defense and seem to understand how crucial it is to their success. Also, if Novak gets back in the groove, I think his spacing will really lead to a pretty potent offense.

    4. Will the Thrill

      Something definitely had to be up with Chandler. I mean, nobody just forgets how to play defense. Not only does he seem to be not giving enough effort out there, he seems lost defensively sometimes. He was never lost last year, this could come from his inability to move fluently with a knee problem.

      Frank O.: Tyson had a knee clash in the 1st period of the Houston game. He needed treatment.

    5. jon abbey

      that wasn’t actually Juany you were answering, it was Jenny.

      Sheed says he’s playing today, yay! still would like to see Camby in there also against Drummond and Monroe…

    6. ruruland

      jon abbey:
      that wasn’t actually Juany you were answering, it was Jenny.

      Sheed says he’s playing today, yay! still would like to see Camby in there also against Drummond and Monroe…

      Wow, you’re right. I feel like I’ve been fooled by one of those graphics with the all the letters subsitituted for irregular characters.

      Where is THCJ to point this out as evidence of my confirmation bias?

    7. EB

      BigBlueAL:
      Novak might seriously need to start getting some DNP-CD’s soon.

      God awful on defense and if he’s not shooting a ridiculous percent he should definitely not play

    8. Juany8

      ruruland:
      Juany, check my responses to your Bynum post in previous thread.

      Just for giggles, I was the first to jump on the Bynum bandwagon in probably all the internets, in that I wasn’t a Laker fan and still tried to make an argument that I’d take Bynum over Howard long term 2 years ago, before he had ever played close to a full season (barring injury issues of course, just based on talent) I thought Bynum was a better offensive player period and that while Howard was much faster, Bynum’s ridiculous length made it very difficult to score in the paint on him.

      Then last year happened, Bynum blew up and became and accepted star throughout the NBA. It also exposed 2 serious issues I have with Bynum as a centerpiece on a team. The first is, that because of his lack of time as a main option, he is fucking terrible at handling double teams. Now Dwight Howard is no Pau Gasol, but Van Gundy was able to run a very effective offense based primarily on Dwight drawing extra defenders inside and then kicking it out to shooters. You can’t do that with Bynum yet because he’s never been the core option on a team, until last year he was really the 3rd or 4th option on that team. The Nuggets almost beat the Lakers last year since Bynum was far too easy to double, and it’s not like they had knockdown shooters anyways. As far as defense and rebounding, Bynum is just not a consistent defender and rebounder, especially when he’s not getting lots of touches on offense. Dwight has looked worse this year because of his back, and Van Gundy is a fantastic defensive coach, but he plays more consistently on that end than Bynum, and he can guard pick and rolls much better than Bynum (even if not as well as KG/Duncan in their primes)

      In short, while I would say Bynum has the potential to be more talented than Dwight Howard, he needs more consistency to get there

    9. ruruland

      Melo is doing a good job of keeping Maxiel off the offensive glass and allowing his teammates to rebound. I’s the only thing Maxiel is really capable of doing on offense.

      That said, I personly think that the Knicks lose a whole lot on defense when Amar’e comes back. Lose some possessions here and there but the defensive rebounding will be better.

    10. BigBlueAL

      What an ugly start to the 2nd half. Jeff Van Gundy back in the day wouldve benched all 5 starters after a start like that lol

    11. Juany8

      If Chandler is going to keep putting up lackadaisical efforts throughout the year, perhaps it’s not Amar’e that should be going to the bench…

    12. Juany8

      I’m gonna be a little disappointed if the Knicks win by less than 10, they’re just not consistently hustling the way the played the first few games. I’m hoping that it’s because the Knicks are being led by veterans who know staying healthy is more important than winning every game and not because they got cocky, but it’s hard to say for sure.

    13. BigBlueAL

      Novak bouncing back from his horrible 1st quarter, best game he has played since beginning of the season.

    14. massive

      These games are boring. Having the expectation of your team winning isn’t as fun as “you never know what the Knicks might do,” even if the Knicks lost most of those games.

    15. Z-man

      Felton with 10 assists and 0 turnovers

      Melo was an efficient scorer during the last two games, but did not play as well all-around as he had during the 8-1 start

      Still worried about Chandler

      So far, it seems like as JR goes, so go the Knicks

    16. ruruland

      Thomas B.: If by weird you mean that I am unlike you, then all I can say is “thanks.”

      Contribute to the conversation by whining about your boredom during Knicks wins.

      I don’t get why you’d feel the need to share that information.

      Didn’t you use to write for the site? How is that even possible?

    17. ruruland

      Z-man:
      Felton with 10 assists and 0 turnovers

      Melo was an efficient scorer during the last two games, but did not play as well all-around as he had during the 8-1 start

      Still worried about Chandler

      So far, it seems like as JR goes, so go the Knicks

      Z-man:
      Felton with 10 assists and 0 turnovers

      Melo was an efficient scorer during the last two games, but did not play as well all-around as he had during the 8-1 start

      Still worried about Chandler

      So far, it seems like as JR goes, so go the Knicks

      Efficient is a little bit of an understatement. Close to 80% TS on 40 usage. 66 points in his last 67 minutes. Singlehandily kept the Knicks in the Houston game until the third quarter.

      Not playing great overall game but generally making proper decisions (a few bad passes, most of turnovers are off no-whistle drives), keeping his power forward match-up off the offensive glass, making the help on the play side, not great defense but passable.

      Not like his game against the Spurs or other games this year, but Knicks have needed his scoring first and foremost. I’m not sure if Melo can consistently do everything at a very high level every game like Lebron.

    18. ruruland

      Z-man:
      In terms of excitement, Rockets remind me of the pre-Melo Knicks.

      They are an up-tempo team with some pretty talented players. They’re fun.

      I don’t know, I like watching basketball. I love watching the Knicks, in large part because it’s good basketball and the Knicks have talented players.

      If you don’t like watching the team play, watch another team.

    19. Z-man

      Agree, ruru, but I am guessing that Thomas B. is being a bit tongue-in-cheek. That said, this has been sort of a non-descript stretch of the season, and of the 12 games, like 9 have been blowouts, and some of the wins have been ugly. Only the SA game has had playoff-level intensity for 4 quarters. Not that I’m not loving 9-3 and relishing every win…

    20. ruruland

      Z-man:
      Agree, ruru, but I am guessing that Thomas B. is being a bit tongue-in-cheek. That said, this has been sort of a non-descript stretch of the season, and of the 12 games, like 9 have been blowouts, and some of the wins have been ugly. Only the SA game has had playoff-level intensity for 4 quarters. Not that I’m not loving 9-3 and relishing every win…

      I get that he’s being a touch facetious, but it’s pretty annoying.

    21. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I just want to go on record as saying that ruruland is my second least favorite poster. I’d rather read irrelevant and inappropriate details of spree8nyk’s personal life again than read his posts. First will always be jon abbey, because he doesn’t even pretend to be substantial.

    22. ruruland

      Brooklyn might have the worst fans in the NBA in terms of crowd participation vs attendance.

      Guess that will change tommorow with Knicks fans.

    23. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      I just want to go on record as saying that ruruland is my second least favorite poster. I’d rather read irrelevant and inappropriate details of spree8nyk’s personal life again than read his posts. First will always be jon abbey, because he doesn’t even pretend to be substantial.

      Funny because you write a lot of posts that are either unsolicited responses to my posts, or as in the example above, random references to me.

    24. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      I just want to go on record as saying that ruruland is my second least favorite poster. I’d rather read irrelevant and inappropriate details of spree8nyk’s personal life again than read his posts. First will always be jon abbey, because he doesn’t even pretend to be substantial.

      Also, when’s the last substantive post or intelligent thought you’ve had?

      Since I’ve posted here I can’t think of one post you’ve made that would qualify as an original thought.

      Worse yet, you back down and or disappear every time your dogma comes under scrutiny and your line of argumentation falls apart (as it always does).

      All of the attempted snark and insults, you’re nothing but a cancer here. I can’t for the life of me figure out why you show up here.

    25. johnlocke

      Board clashes aside…thoughts on the game:

      Camby played ..and I thought did a decent job, at worst he gives us a rebounding and defensive big man presence, which we sorely need when Chandler is out of the game. He needs more PT.

      Novak is back..five threes…Melo and JR do a good job of finding him, hope that’s the spark he needed

      Sheed played solid, still too quick trigger and too many threes for my taste but most of it was in garbage time

      Felton is really taking care of the ball…close to a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio.

      Brew only played 14 minutes – need him to get healthy, hope it isn’t a nagging injury that sticks all season

    26. Thomas B.

      ruruland: Contribute to the conversation by whining about your boredom during Knicks wins.

      I don’t get why you’d feel the need to share that information.

      Didn’t you use to write for the site? How is that even possible?

      If you took yourself a little less seriously you might recognize a joke when it is offered. The point of saying that 20 point wins are boring is a comment on how entertaining I find the posters here. When this team was horrid, the only thing that helped was the insanely funny observations of posters like Spree, Z-Man, Big BlueAL, and many others. Those guys are funny and insightful. No matter how ugly the the team played, there was always a reason to come to the game thread here.

      I think it is easier to laugh at pain than it is to laugh at success. I do not begrudge the Knicks’s success, but I do miss the funny rants and the jokes and the seemingly unbelievable ways this team could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

      Do you remember how Al Harrington blew a game by hanging on the rim? Do you remember when he did it again? As infuriating as that was, I laughed my ass of at the comments that followed. THAT is what I miss. I miss the humor. The way we loyal fans used humor to triumph over adversity. We didn’t jump ship. We laughed through it. All I’m doing in saying that winning is boring is honoring the way we got through the worst years.

      Maybe if you had been here back then you’d get that.

      And as for my writing here, well I’ve always maintained–and I still do–that I am by far the least talented writer here. But until Mike tells me it aint working out, I’ll write something when I can. Feel free to ignore what I offer if it isn’t up to your high personal standards.

      All the best to you, ruruland.

    27. Thomas B.

      massive:
      These games are boring. Having the expectation of your team winning isn’t as fun as “you never know what the Knicks might do,” even if the Knicks lost most of those games.

      Exactly! Besides it is the big matchups that matter the most and the playoffs. We do this in an ECF game, and I swear I won’t offer any jokes about being bored.

    28. Thomas B.

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      I just want to go on record as saying that ruruland is my second least favorite poster. I’d rather read irrelevant and inappropriate details of spree8nyk’s personal life again than read his posts. First will always be jon abbey, because he doesn’t even pretend to be substantial.

      In support of funny and insightful posters, I present exhibit 1.

    29. jon abbey

      ruruland:

      Didn’t you use to write for the site? How is that even possible?

      he still does, he’s not the only terrible one.

      JR Smith was a madman today, it’s a little scary that we kind of sink or swim with him and Sheed currently, but it worked today.

      back to a 60 win pace before the big showdown tomorrow. Chandler played a bit better today but will have to do even more tomorrow against Lopez.

    30. jon abbey

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      I just want to go on record as saying that ruruland is my second least favorite poster. I’d rather read irrelevant and inappropriate details of spree8nyk’s personal life again than read his posts. First will always be jon abbey, because he doesn’t even pretend to be substantial.

      very proud of this, thanks. also, here’s some substance: your perspective on basketball is fundamentally wrong.

    31. jon abbey

      Thomas B.: If you took yourself a little less seriously you might recognize a joke when it is offered.The point of saying that 20 point wins are boring is a comment on how entertaining I find the posters here.When this team was horrid, the only thing that helped was the insanely funny observations of posters like Spree, Z-Man, Big BlueAL, and many others.Those guys are funny and insightful.No matter how ugly the the team played, there was always a reason to come to the game thread here.

      I think it is easier to laugh at pain than it is to laugh at success. I do not begrudge the Knicks’s success, but I do miss the funny rants and the jokes and the seemingly unbelievable ways this team could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

      Do you remember how Al Harrington blew a game by hanging on the rim? Do you remember when he did it again?As infuriating as that was, I laughed my ass of at the comments that followed.THAT is what I miss.I miss the humor. The way we loyal fans used humor to triumph over adversity.We didn’t jump ship. We laughed through it.All I’m doing in saying that winning is boring is honoring the way we got through the worst years.

      Maybe if you had been here back then you’d get that.

      And as for my writing here, well I’ve always maintained–and I still do–that I am by far the least talented writer here.But until Mike tells me it aint working out, I’ll write something when I can.Feel free to ignore what I offer if it isn’t up to your high personal standards.

      pure idiocy, ruru is right to mock you.

    32. jon abbey

      Juany8: Aren’t the Nuggets .500?

      they’ve played a ton more road games though, they’ll be fine if Lawson ever wakes up and dunno why he wouldn’t.

    33. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      ruruland: Also, when’s the last substantive post or intelligentthought you’ve had?

      Since I’ve posted here I can’t think of one post you’ve made that would qualify as an original thought.

      Worse yet, you back down and or disappear every time your dogma comes under scrutiny and your line of argumentation falls apart (as it always does).

      All of the attempted snark and insults, you’re nothing but a cancer here. I can’t for the life of me figure out why you show up here.

      Jowles 38 (NSRV)

      Then Cock Jowles spoke to ruruland out of the storm. He said:

      “Who is this that questions my stats
      with words without knowledge?
      Brace yourself like Isiah;
      I will question you,
      and you shall answer me.”

      “Where were you when I explained why PER sucks?
      Tell me, if you understand.
      Who decided its weighted values?
      Surely you know!
      Who decided that volume scoring was important?
      On what was it made an ‘official stat,’
      Or who suggested its efficacy? –
      While Hollinger and Pelton sang together
      And Barkley and Miller shouted for joy?”

      “Who cherry-picks at will behind his keyboard
      When the data contradicts his hypotheses,
      When the metrics don’t jive with his eyetest,
      And the eyetest is shrouded in thick darkness,
      When its limits are tested and shown to be bullshit,
      When I said, ‘This you may see but it’s unlikely,
      Here is where your proud rhetoric halts?”

      [etc.]

    34. EB

      I’m probably being too picky but I am a little worried we let one of the worst offenses in the NBA score fairly efficiently against us. Or maybe I’ve been spoiled.

    35. cgreene

      I think the Nets look pretty good. They are certainly well rounded. I could see Reggie Evans giving us fits on the boards all night.

    36. jon abbey

      god, you’re an idiot.

      DET has been better since they realized they needed to bench Stuckey to separate him and Knight, I think they’ll be even better once they start both Drummond and Monroe and sit Maxiell. still not good, but better at least.

    37. danvt

      Thomas B.: All the best to you, ruruland.

      I like ruru’s posts. They are well researched and thorough. They are consistently optimistic for a Knicks fan to read. Yes, they’re biased, but so is Paul Krugman in the New York Times. It’s reasonable for any writer to have a belief system and to post what reflects it. For a writer to pretend they don’t is probably worse.

      Silverman’s writeup on the Rockets game reminded me of the old times that Thomas B is talking about. Calling winning boring didn’t.

    38. jon abbey

      yep, ruru is informative and we all know his bias. again, he was the only person anywhere, professional beat writer or amateur, to talk about team turnovers all offseason, and he was dead on here, as this is the main reason NY is improved so far. if you add up all of the insights that THCJ and Thomas Dion Rutgers have contributed in their time here, it’s less than ruru adds in an average week.

    39. jon abbey

      individual turnovers continue to be horribly recorded, Melo throws a perfect pass to Chandler that he can’t catch, and that’s on Melo? ludicrous.

    40. EB

      Say what you will about Ruru but he has been exceptionally prescient so far! This game must put him up around where Ruru projected Melo for the season in TS% and Knicks win pace, IIRC.

      Sure probably won’t be maintained but I’m a fan I like to be optimistic. And I don’t mean this as a slight toward Jowles who I find also insightful.

    41. d-mar

      cgreene:
      I think the Nets look pretty good.They are certainly well rounded.I could see Reggie Evans giving us fits on the boards all night.

      Still not impressed much with the Nets. They beat a Portland team without their best player at home, and it was close until about 5 minutes left. Their only “statement” game this season was a win against the Clips (again at home) who proceeded to get their doors blown off against the Hawks the next night.

      Of course, if they kick our asses tomorrow night, then I guess I’m wrong (-:

    42. jon abbey

      sorry for posting so much, but also I loved that sequence (2nd quarter?) where Kidd found Felton cutting to the basket and then on the next play Felton found Kidd for a corner 3.

    43. ruruland

      Thomas B.: If you took yourself a little less seriously you might recognize a joke when it is offered.The point of saying that 20 point wins are boring is a comment on how entertaining I find the posters here.When this team was horrid, the only thing that helped was the insanely funny observations of posters like Spree, Z-Man, Big BlueAL, and many others.Those guys are funny and insightful.No matter how ugly the the team played, there was always a reason to come to the game thread here.

      I think it is easier to laugh at pain than it is to laugh at success. I do not begrudge the Knicks’s success, but I do miss the funny rants and the jokes and the seemingly unbelievable ways this team could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

      Do you remember how Al Harrington blew a game by hanging on the rim? Do you remember when he did it again?As infuriating as that was, I laughed my ass of at the comments that followed.THAT is what I miss.I miss the humor. The way we loyal fans used humor to triumph over adversity.We didn’t jump ship. We laughed through it.All I’m doing in saying that winning is boring is honoring the way we got through the worst years.

      Maybe if you had been here back then you’d get that.

      And as for my writing here, well I’ve always maintained–and I still do–that I am by far the least talented writer here.But until Mike tells me it aint working out, I’ll write something when I can.Feel free to ignore what I offer if it isn’t up to your high personal standards.

      All the best to you, ruruland.

      I see where you’re coming from now, I hope you understand why I took your posts the way I did.

    44. ruruland

      cgreene:
      I think the Nets look pretty good.They are certainly well rounded.I could see Reggie Evans giving us fits on the boards all night.

      Nets are tough. Better than I expected. I like their team construction. You have two high-energy do-all-the-little stuff role players in Wallace and Humphris, to go along with the big 3.

      Lopez has improved defensively, and he’s more of a prescence at the basket than I remember. They also have synergestic bench.

      They are a good, balanced team that is playing together on defense.

      Remember, Avery Johnson made a pretty mediocre individual defensive team in Dallas great.

      New York has to be ready to go tomorrow. It should be a war.

    45. jon abbey

      I like the Nets bench too, one of the deepest teams in the league when they’re all healthy. ‘overrated’ and ‘underrated’ are always dependent on where someone believes the actual rating is (often a matter of perception more than reality), but I think the Nets are around the 4th or 5th best team in the East and a possible second round playoff team.

      it’s going to be a war tomorrow, I will be there and yelling loudly for our boys.

    46. ruruland

      jon abbey:
      sorry for posting so much, but also I loved that sequence (2nd quarter?) where Kidd found Felton cutting to the basket and then on the next play Felton found Kidd for a corner 3.

      IF there is a back-court that can make Amar’e/Chandler/Melo work really well for at least the first 6 minutes of each half, it’s Kidd and Felton.

      All of those open catches and space Brewer is getting…….Yeah, Amar’e is going to eat.

      The Felton/Chandler high pnr might be the best play going in basketball with Melo at the wing and Kidd redirecting passes off of it.

      When you add in Amar’e to the midrange spot Brewer fills most of the time, it could get pretty absurd.

      Maybe the Knicks don’t shoot 44% from 3 all year, but they are getting the kinds of looks where an extremely high % is possible.

      With Amar’e putting even more pressure on teams to help, those looks could increase on a per possession basis.

    47. ruruland

      jon abbey:
      I like the Nets bench too, one of the deepest teams in the league when they’re all healthy. ‘overrated’ and ‘underrated’ are always dependent on where someone believes the actual rating is (often a matter of perception more than reality), but I think the Nets are around the 4th or 5th best team in the East and a possible second round playoff team.

      it’s going to be a war tomorrow, I will be there and yelling loudly for our boys.

      Fill us in on what it’s like Abbey. I’ve been really unimpressed with their fans so far.

    48. danvt

      EB: And I don’t mean this as a slight toward Jowles who I find also insightful.

      I agree and I like Thomas B’s posts. Lately though, Jowles seems long on bile and short on the new Ty Lawson or Kenneth Faried.

    49. cgreene

      ruruland: Nets are tough. Better than I expected. I like their team construction. You have two high-energy do-all-the-little stuff role players in Wallace and Humphris, to go along with the big 3.

      Lopez has improved defensively, and he’s more of a prescence at the basket than I remember. They also have synergestic bench.

      They are a good, balanced team that is playing together on defense.

      Remember, Avery Johnson made a pretty mediocre individual defensive team in Dallas great.

      New York has to be ready to go tomorrow. It should be a war.

      I think it’s an impt early game. The Knicks had a lot to say prior to the Houston game related to Lin then came out and shit the bed. I didn’t like it. Maybe it was post Thanksgiving hangover blah blah blah or maybe it was a little bit of insight into the mental makeup. Felton tried to do way too much to “show up” Lin IMO and started the game horribly. Mental mistake. I can see some similar behavior from him and Melo tomorrow for NYC “bragging rights” etc. I hope I am wrong and they come and play their game. But this team hasn’t shown a ton of mental toughness yet save for 1 game in SA. The pace these 2 teams play make it hard for any blowouts. TC needs to eat up Lopez. The Kidd/JJ matchup is rough.

    50. jon abbey

      Thomas B.: Well coming from you, this confirms I’m doing something very right.

      seriously, though, if you want to obsess about the failings of a lousy team, go find a Wizards discussion board. why anyone would bring up Al Harrington bloopers in the midst of this game or this season is really beyond me.

    51. Thomas B.

      ruruland: I see where you’re coming from now, I hope you understand why I took your posts the way I did.

      I aint mad at you, ruruland.

      Some people are mature enough to make room for all points of view, even the ones they disagree with. Other people feel the need to try to insult everyone who doesn’t think as they do. I’m glad to see that you aren’t one of those people who need to insult others when they don;t see things as you do.

      I feel sorry for those people who lack the confidence and intellect to offer an argument that can stand on its own merit. They realize they have nothing, so those people try to insult others. It is the only way they can feel good about themselves. It is sad. But I aint mad at them either. I do hope one day they find some joy in their life. When you lack joy, you try to hurt other people. The good news is the lack of intellect makes it hard for them to come up with anything that would upset anyone who is out of middle school.

    52. Thomas B.

      jon abbey: seriously, though, if you want to obsess about the failings of a lousy team, go find a Wizards discussion board. why anyone would bring up Al Harrington bloopers in the midst of this game or this season is really beyond me.

      Either you get the joke or you don’t. I thought it was funny and that’s enough for me. And really, who in the world thinks a 20 point win over a terrible Pistons team during the first month of a 6 month season is anything to get excited about? This wasn’t Miami, or Boston, or the Lakers. This was the Pistons. They don’t have a single game changing player. I’m looking for the big wins over the best teams when it matters most.

      But hey, to each his own.

    53. jon abbey

      “Either you get the joke or you don’t. I thought it was funny and that’s enough for me.”

      not only wasn’t it funny, you went through the same routine already a few games ago, and it wasn’t funny then either.

      “And really, who in the world thinks a 20 point win over a terrible Pistons team during the first month of a 6 month season is anything to get excited about?This wasn’t Miami, or Boston, or the Lakers.This was the Pistons.They don’t have a single game changing player. I’m looking for the big wins over the best teams when it matters most.”

      you can only play the games on the schedule, and it’s sad when a 20 point win leaves you cold. the bigger picture is that Woodson’s teams continue to play at a 60+ win pace, 27-9 last year and 9-3 so far this year. that doesn’t happen, as ruru keeps saying, without wins over the lousy teams too.

    54. jon abbey

      ruru, dunno how representative tomorrow will be to take the pulse of the Brooklyn fans, as it seems that there will be a TON of Knicks fans there. I will report back, though.

    55. BigBlueAL

      Reggie Evans could easily have more rebounds than minutes tomorrow night and he usually plays around 20 minutes a game lol.

      I think the start of the 2nd quarter today is a prime example of how much this team needs a healthy Amar’e. Im resigned to the fact he will start, the thing is how he staggers his and Melo’s minutes. I would hope Woodson does like D’Antoni did (and Woodson for the most part did too last season) which is sit Amar’e with around 5 minutes left in the 1st quarter for the remainder of the quarter and have Amar’e start the 2nd quarter when Melo is getting his 1st break (barring foul trouble).

      Im actually looking forward to watching Amar’e run some pick-n-rolls with Prigs.

    56. johnno

      jon abbey: “Either you get the joke or you don’t. I thought it was funny and that’s enough for me.”

      I have to admit that I had forgotten about the Harrington T’s and I laughed out loud when reminded about them. To quote Alan Alda in “Hannah and Her Sisters” — “Comedy equals tragedy plus time…”

    57. BigBlueAL

      Al Harrington’s Techs, Chris Duhon’s record-breaking assist game, the debate if the 2009 Knicks couldve made the playoffs if they didnt trade Crawford and Zach so early in the season, is Sergio Rodriguez the PG of the future plus the nightly debates of how good a player Gallo could eventually be.

      Good times, good times :-)

    58. jon abbey

      johnno: I have to admit that I had forgotten about the Harrington T’s and I laughed out loud when reminded about them.To quote Alan Alda in “Hannah and Her Sisters” — “Comedy equals tragedy plus time…”

      that’s a Lenny Bruce line originally: “Satire is tragedy plus time.”

    59. d-mar

      Thomas B., I’ve never had a problem with your posts, but you can’t just dismiss wins against bad teams. Last year when we lost to such teams, this board exploded with criticism and the media descended like vultures. I”m not expecting praise to be heaped on the Knicks for beating the Pistons, but they did it convincingly, and it’s something to build on.

    60. BigBlueAL

      I remember a home game (think it was during the 96-97 season) where the Knicks won by like 7 points but were trailing for most of the game vs a horrible opponent and they were getting booed like crazy for virtually the entire game. After the game Ewing went off on the fans and media for being way too critical.

      Man I wish this board was around during the 90′s lol

    61. jon abbey

      d-mar:
      I”m not expecting praise to be heaped on the Knicks for beating the Pistons, but they did it convincingly, and it’s something to build on.

      exactly, there’s something to be said for avoiding a bad loss, which happen to every team every season.

    62. Thomas B.

      d-mar:
      Thomas B., I’ve never had a problem with your posts, but you can’t just dismiss wins against bad teams. Last year when we lost to such teams, this board exploded with criticism and the media descended like vultures. I”m not expecting praise to be heaped on the Knicks for beating the Pistons, but they did it convincingly, and it’s something to build on.

      I wasn’t dismissing them. I was just saying that they don’t mean as much *to me* as a win over title contender. They can mean whatever they want to any of you and that is just fine with me. I’m looking for a deep playoff run. What’s the point of getting excited over a 60 win team, if they pull a Dallas v Golden State in the first round? Furthermore, at this point in the season I’ve come to expect that the Knicks will beat the Pistons by 20. I was excited about this sort of play over bad teams earlier in the year. I was excited about the win over the Heat, the comeback over the Spurs. But now that I expect it, it is hard to get too excited about it over such a bad team.

      It’s just my opinion. I’m not attacking anyone for not sharing it. I’m confident enough that I don’t have to fight with or shout down anyone who doesn’t agree with me.

    63. Thomas B.

      jon abbey:
      “Either you get the joke or you don’t. I thought it was funny and that’s enough for me.”

      not only wasn’t it funny, you went through the same routine already a few games ago, and it wasn’t funny then either.

      Seems a few people thought it was funny.

      But if you feel that way about my humor, Well then I guess I won’t need to leave a comp ticket for you at will call when my improv group comes to town. :-(

    64. Thomas B.

      jon abbey:
      then why even waste your time watching the 65-70 games each year against non-title contenders?

      Because I find many of the folk here entertaining. I like to read what they have to say about the game. I was curious to see how the reactions, jokes, observations would play out. It is pretty obvious that this game thread isn’t nearly as interesting to folks as the Spurs game or the Heat game. For the first 3 quarters you have about 9 people here sharing 35 comments. Clearly, I’m not the only person who didn’t find this match up particularly riveting.

      Hell the fact that I’m even on your radar shows there isn’t much else going on in the game to keep you busy. If this game mattered, you wouldn’t have even noticed what I said or commented on it.

    65. jon abbey

      or it was a 1 PM start with football going on at the same time, and not everyone was watching in real time, including myself.

      I guess the difference is you seem to be a fan of what you consider entertaining discussion here, whereas I’m a fan of the Knicks and find most of the attempted humor here awful, including some of the game summaries. as far as balancing humor and basketball insight on a Knicks board, Seth Rosenthal is great at it. most of the other people who try it, not so much.

    66. BigBlueAL

      jon abbey:
      or it was a 1 PM start with football going on at the same time, and not everyone was watching in real time, including myself.

      I guess the difference is you seem to be a fan of what you consider entertaining discussion here, whereas I’m a fan of the Knicks and find most of the attempted humor here awful, including some of the game summaries. as far as balancing humor and basketball insight on a Knicks board, Seth Rosenthal is great at it. most of the other people who try it, not so much.

      Love P&T too, usually always read Seth’s game summaries. But to me the discussion among fans is much funner here. Ive never commented at that site while the fan discussion here is what made me fall in love with this site when I found it toward the end of the 2008 season when Donnie Walsh was hired.

    67. jon abbey

      BigBlueAL: Love P&T too, usually always read Seth’s game summaries.But to me the discussion among fans is much funner here.Ive never commented at that site while the fan discussion here is what made me fall in love with this site when I found it toward the end of the 2008 season when Donnie Walsh was hired.

      exactly, which is why I’m here (although I was here for a while before that, dunno since when exactly).

    68. jon abbey

      I mean, this is a team that lost to Charlotte last year, lost twice to Toronto, lost twice to Cleveland. any 20 point win is nice.

    69. Z-man

      wow, I go away for a few hours and the board explodes!

      ruru, I thought the cancer reference was over the top, if you are to compare Jowles’s chatter here to a dreaded disease, the obvious choice should be beriberi :-)

      jon abbey and THCJ have a weird James Carville-Mary Matalin bromance thing going on, keep at it, kids!

      I also like it when The Honorable One goes at it with Juany8 over the meaning of science. My 20 years as a science/math teacher did nothing to prepare me for that.

      jon abbey:
      (that ‘god, you’re an idiot’ was of course addressed to Mr. Cock)
      Thomas B.: I thought you were directing that to God.

      Now, jon, that’s some funny shit, you have to admit.

    70. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      jon abbey:
      maybe I just know funnier people than you guys. the beriberi line was good, though!

      A pretentious Columbia grad/NYC resident!? WHAT IS THIS?

    71. PD

      Z-man:
      wow, I go away for a few hours and the board explodes!

      ruru, I thought the cancer reference was over the top….

      yea. you also said the other day d’antoni was a “cancer”. its just sports dude. i think your posts can be somewhat ridiculous and biased at times but at you have some good points. dont take this shit so seriously.

      in the same vein. i can feel what thomas b said earlier in the thread. when the team was losing the humor and creativity came out and it helped deal with how bad the team was playing. though it also made following the team fun for the sake of just watching basketball. its seems now when a joke is made its almost taken as an affront to how well the team is doing. its ok. they are a good team. we can still make dun of them

    72. Thomas B.

      I am happy that they won. That does not mean the game was fun or exciting. It is the Pistons, guys. The Pistons stink. I can get excited over the Spurs win as it was a great come back over a very good team. I was excited over the Heat win because hell, the Heat can’t lose by enough when playing the Knicks.

      I never said I wanted the team to lose. And even if I did, it should be obvious that it is just dry humor. Sheesh, some of you guys need to relax. Try decaf or something.

    73. Z-man

      PD: its just sports dude. i think your posts can be somewhat ridiculous and biased at times but at you have some good points. dont take this shit so seriously.

      PD: yea. you also said the other day d’antoni was a “cancer”.

      Please refer me to the post when I said D’Antoni was a cancer.

      Asd regarding how I take stuff, my entire post was pretty light-hearted, so you make absolutely no sense.

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