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Knicks Morning News (Sunday, May 19 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] J.R. off target, but hopes he can ‘retire a Knick’ (Sun, 19 May 2013 06:17:15 GMT)
    A season in which he was praised for maturing into the NBA’s Sixth Man of the Year ended with Smith most likely heading toward free agency on the heels of an unsightly shooting slump that was a prime factor in the Knicks getting eliminated by the Pacers in six games in the Eastern Conference semifinals.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Knick KO proves Melo can’t do it all by himself (Sun, 19 May 2013 06:08:02 GMT)
    The big playoff showdown they talked about all season with the Miami Heat isn’t coming off, as the Knicks had their season come to a bitter end when they failed to get this series back to the Garden for a Game 7.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Amar’e still feels fit for offense (Sun, 19 May 2013 06:02:47 GMT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire knows his contract won’t allow him to go anywhere and he wants Mike Woodson to make a commitment to make a frontcourt of Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler work.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lance-a-lot is too much for Knicks to handle (Sun, 19 May 2013 05:54:46 GMT)
    The Knicks had two consecutive second-round selections in the 2010 NBA draft, choosing Syracuse’s Andy Rautins and Stanford’s Landry Fields with the 38th and 39th picks.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Indy end, Knicks loss hurts (Sun, 19 May 2013 05:53:13 GMT)
    You can talk about everything that happened in Indianapolis on Saturday night when the Knicks played hard for their season and nearly saved their season. You can talk about how great Carmelo Anthony was for most of Game 6, and how Iman Shumpert nearly saved the whole season when he made all those threes in the third quarter, when he and Anthony went for 31 points between them in the period.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knixed in Six: Pacers end season for Melo and Co. (Sun, 19 May 2013 03:13:55 GMT)
    Forget about a Game 7 at Madison Square Garden. And you can forget about a trip to Miami as well. The Knicks championship drought is now at 40 years and counting after the Indiana Pacers, tougher and smarter throughout the series, defeated Mike Woodson’s team 106-99 to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals.    

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks' season ends with 106-99 loss to Pacers in Game 6 (Sun, 19 May 2013 01:57:04 EDT)
    The Knicks' most successful season in nearly 20 years ended here Saturday night, 10 wins short of their first championship since 1973.

  • [New York Newsday] Carmelo Anthony keeps Knicks afloat for big comeback, then struggles in the fourth (Sun, 19 May 2013 01:21:04 EDT)
    History someday will judge Carmelo Anthony's playoff legacy. But for now, there is more than enough to chew over in the present after a game Saturday night that highlighted the best and worst of Melo.

  • [New York Newsday] Amar'e Stoudemire wants to prove he and Carmelo Anthony can play together (Sun, 19 May 2013 01:28:00 EDT)
    Amar'e Stoudemire wants to prove that he and Carmelo Anthony can thrive as the Knicks' leading duo — and he plans to plead his case to coach Mike Woodson.

  • [New York Newsday] J.R. Smith wants to stay a Knick (Sun, 19 May 2013 00:30:00 EDT)
    J.R. Smith feels he let the Knicks down and wants another shot to make it up to them.

  • [New York Post] Tip ins (Sun, 19 May 2013 02:24:47 -0500)
    HERO

    Brooklyn’s own Lance Stephenson was tremendous last night, racking up 25 points and 10 rebounds. The Pacers shooting guard and Lincoln High grad poured in nine points in the fourth quarter as the Pacers staved off the Knicks.
    ZERO

    Raymond Felton had a terrific postseason, but shot 0-for-7…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ season ends with flat tire in Indy (Sun, 19 May 2013 03:14:30 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS — Carmelo Anthony was finally having his bust-out game, carrying 35 points into the fourth quarter. Melo went bust in the final period, though, and the Knicks season went right along with him.
    The Pacers are headed to South Beach with a 106-99 Game 6 victory in Game 6 last…

  • [New York Post] Promising season to long summer (Sun, 19 May 2013 04:33:25 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS — The room was as quiet as you would want it to be. You weren’t suffering alone last night when the shots stopped falling and the season started sputtering and the game veered irretrievably south.
    Wherever you watched the Knicks tumble into the abyss — living room, man cave, saloon…

  • [New York Post] B’klyn native pours in career-high 25 to propel Pacers (Sun, 19 May 2013 04:21:02 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS — Indiana’s Lance Stephenson had an atrocious Game 5 against the Knicks. And the Brooklyn product did it in his home city, at the Garden.
    He promised to do better in Game 6. Rarely has any promise been so fervently upheld.
    “He was the difference maker tonight,” Knicks coach…

  • [New York Post] When it counted, Melo wasn’t good enough (Sun, 19 May 2013 03:48:36 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS — Carmelo Anthony made the same slow, sad walk off the court that Patrick Ewing used to make all too often at the Garden, the walk into another season without a championship.
    Ewing always had Michael Jordan in his way, and Melo would have had LeBron James in his way…

  • [New York Post] No Ty in this center clash (Sun, 19 May 2013 03:18:05 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS — Following the Knicks’ 106-99 ouster by the Pacers in Game 6 of the Eastern Conference semifinals last night, center Tyson Chandler was asked why the Knicks never seemed to get back to their early-season form, when they were one of the NBA’s brightest stories.
    “I don’t know…

  • [New York Post] Nothing falls for Felton (Sun, 19 May 2013 02:56:15 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS — More like Out-dianapolis for Raymond Felton.In the Knicks’ 106-99 season-ending Game 6 loss to the Pacers at Bankers Life Fieldhouse last night, Felton, who struggled in Game 3 in Indianapolis, delivered another miserable performance. The point guard missed all seven of his shots from the field, scoring two…

  • [New York Post] A Hill of a return (Sun, 19 May 2013 02:56:05 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS — The Pacers prepared for the worst. But it worked out for the best — in every way.
    Indiana was preparing to go without George Hill, who had missed Thursday’s game with a concussion, but the starting point guard was cleared in the afternoon by team doctors and the league…

  • [New York Post] Amar’e: I need to talk to coach in offseason (Sun, 19 May 2013 02:02:14 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS — After being benched for the second half for the second straight playoff game, Amar’e Stoudemire is confused with his role with the Knicks going forward.His injury-wracked season never included a single start and ended with coach Mike Woodson not trusting the $100 million man after the first…

  • [New York Post] J.R. sings ‘stay’ tune on way out (Sun, 19 May 2013 02:01:15 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS — After it ended, J.R. Smith said he looked at his Knicks jersey and thought about how he doesn’t want to leave New York.”I want to retire a Knick,” said Smith, who can opt out of his contract this offseason, in the aftermath of the Knicks’ season-ending…

  • [New York Post] Shumpert’s trey-mendous stretch not enough (Sun, 19 May 2013 01:34:53 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS — The shots just kept coming from Iman Shumpert. They kept going in. But it wasn’t enough.In the Knicks’ 106-99 season-ending Game 6 loss to the Pacers last night, it was Shumpert who delivered a surge that nearly saved the Knicks’ season. Midway through the third quarter, Shumpert…

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Amar'e wants to talk with Woody about role (Sun, 19 May 2013 02:39:13 EDT)
    INDIANAPOLIS — Amar’e Stoudemire said it was “tough” to sit on the bench in the second half of the Knicks’ season-ending loss to the Pacers. “It’s never easy to sit there and watch. But again, it’s Coach’s decision,” Stoudemire said after playing 5:47 — all in the first half — and scoring two points in Game 6 on Saturday night.Stoudemire played an average of 8.3 minutes per game in three games against the Pacers. He had missed the previous two months following arthroscopic surgery on his right knee.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Smith: 'I want to retire a Knick' (Sun, 19 May 2013 02:09:40 EDT)
    INDIANAPOLIS — Guard J.R. Smith is set to become a free agent this offseason but said he hopes to return to the New York Knicks.”I want to retire a Knick,” Smith said when asked about his future following the team’s season-ending loss to the Pacers on Saturday night. “I don’t want to go anywhere else. I love it. I love my teammates. I love my coaches. I was sitting in the locker room looking at my jersey after the game just knowing I don’t want to be anywhere else except for in the orange and blue.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Melo comes up small in fourth quarter (Sun, 19 May 2013 02:00:41 EDT)
    INDIANAPOLIS — After his third season in New York ended far short of expectations, Carmelo Anthony sat at his stall alone in a cramped visitors locker room in Indiana, thinking about what just transpired. The Knicks star wore a look of surprise, disappointment and disgust — all rolled into one. “It’s tough,” Anthony said after the Knicks’ Game 6 loss. “We all wanted, everybody wants to go to the championship, win the championship. That’s the ultimate goal.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Video: Knicks React To Series Loss (Sun, 19 May 2013 00:31:23 EDT)
    Carmelo Anthony, Mike Woodson and J.R. Smith discuss being eliminated by the Pacers in Game 6.

  • [New York Times] Game 6: Pacers 106, Knicks 99: Knicks’ Path Through Playoffs Is Blocked by Pacers (Sun, 19 May 2013 06:11:22 GMT)
    Despite Carmelo Anthony’s 39 points, the Knicks fell to the Pacers in Game 6 of their Eastern Conference semifinal series. Indiana will face the Heat next.    

  • [New York Times] Game 6: Knicks vs. Pacers (Sun, 19 May 2013 06:06:01 GMT)
    After a 54-win regular season and a division title, the Knicks were eliminated from the playoffs, losing on the road for the third time in the series.    

  • [New York Times] Game 6: Knicks vs. Pacers (Sun, 19 May 2013 06:06:01 GMT)
    After a 54-win regular season and a division title, the Knicks were eliminated from the playoffs, losing on the road for the third time in the series.    

  • [New York Times] Lance Stephenson Gives Pacers Energy, Points and Signature Play Against Knicks (Sun, 19 May 2013 05:55:21 GMT)
    A steal was a key moment in the Pacers’ win, perhaps the biggest of Lance Stephenson’s young career.    

  • [New York Times] Pacers Get Lift From George Hill’s Return (Sun, 19 May 2013 05:32:08 GMT)
    George Hill’s return in Game 6 from a concussion provided leadership and allowed Lance Stephenson, in particular, to go back to his more natural position.    

  • [New York Times] Pacers 106, Knicks 99: Pacers Knock Out Knicks With Win in Game 6 (Sun, 19 May 2013 04:26:51 GMT)
    Despite Carmelo Anthony’s 39 points, the Pacers held off the Knicks to win their Eastern Conference semifinal series.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Predrag Danilovic Stabbed in Brawl (Sun, 19 May 2013 02:50:39 GMT)
    The Serbian police said Predrag Danilovic, who played for the Miami Heat and Dallas Mavericks, was seriously injured when he was stabbed in a fight early Saturday.    

  • 44 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Sunday, May 19 2013)

    1. d-mar

      I can deal with the Knicks losing this game, but I’m having trouble dealing with Lance Stephenson having the game of his career. I don’t know how many times in that game he went coast to coast and was barely challenged. He’s just not that good a basketball player, and to watch him act as if he was the second coming of Jordan was really nauseating.

      I guess we should be rooting for the Pacers vs. the Heat, but there’s something very unlikeable about that team, esp. Roy Hibbert’s stupid grin when he does something good and Lance Stephenson with that “yeah, I’m a bad ass” look when he scores.

      Great season for the Knicks, and enjoyed (most of) the entertaining bloggers on this site. Go NY go!

    2. er

      d-mar:
      I can deal with the Knicks losing this game, but I’m having trouble dealing with Lance Stephenson having the game of his career. I don’t know how many times in that game he went coast to coast and was barely challenged. He’s just not that good a basketball player, and to watch him act as if he was the second coming of Jordan was really nauseating.

      I guess we should be rooting for the Pacers vs. the Heat, but there’s something very unlikeable about that team, esp. Roy Hibbert’s stupid grin when he does something good and Lance Stephenson with that “yeah, I’m a bad ass” look when he scores.

      Great season for the Knicks, and enjoyed (most of) the entertaining bloggers on this site. Go NY go!

      im sorry man i want a heat sweep

    3. danvt

      I’m sad to see them eliminated. Overall, I wonder if they’ll get me a chip in my lifetime, but, that being said, they had a good season.

      Next year with the development of Shumpert, better roster health, and maybe another Grunwald coup or two and we may find ourselves getting to the ECF or beyond.

      BTW, the officiating in this series was just brutal. I’m too depressed to read the game thread. Did anyone else think so?

    4. Owen

      I feel ok for Lance. He has battled to stay in the NBA. NYC kid. You have to have respect for a guy like that who finds his way after almost crashing out. And as some of the Knicks commented, Iman I think, no one wanted it more than him last night. Sometimes that energy backfires, but this time it didn’t.

      Chandler did put him on his ass a number of times. But no one on the Knicks seemed to be able to stay in front of him. His open court play and backcourt cuts made up for a lot of his long range misses. That said, i totally agree he isn’t that great of a baller. And it’s embarrassing that we lost the series because he was the guy giving the most effort out there. But good for him too.

      Re Chandler, just sick about his play. But he hasn’t looked right for half the season. Not sure what I was expecting.

      I went to bed last night thinking about my final post. How the hell are we going to get past the Pacers, Heat, and Bulls (with Rose). Don’t have any answers this morning. We need some serious draft manna….

    5. ess-dog

      d-mar:
      I can deal with the Knicks losing this game, but I’m having trouble dealing with Lance Stephenson having the game of his career. I don’t know how many times in that game he went coast to coast and was barely challenged. He’s just not that good a basketball player, and to watch him act as if he was the second coming of Jordan was really nauseating.

      I guess we should be rooting for the Pacers vs. the Heat, but there’s something very unlikeable about that team, esp. Roy Hibbert’s stupid grin when he does something good and Lance Stephenson with that “yeah, I’m a bad ass” look when he scores.

      Great season for the Knicks, and enjoyed (most of) the entertaining bloggers on this site. Go NY go!

      IDK man, Lance Stephenson was heralded as a once in a lifetime athlete in high school. He is still crazy young. He can be a top SG in this league.

      That’s why you pick upside in the draft instead of a “heady” guy with no upside like say…… Landry Fields.

      But NYK aren’t about coaching people up, we’re in win now mode all the time. Indy’s in a great position with tons of good young guys. They’ll be interesting to watch.

    6. ess-dog

      Ugh, two more years of Kidd, two more years of Camby, and three more years of Novak. Only one of those guys plays, and he probably shouldn’t.

    7. danj

      I’m nothing but bitter this morning.
      I agree with d-mar, Stephenson is a decent player, whatever, but he’s not THAT good. The Knick defense on him was generally atrocious and allowing him to swoop in for rebound after rebound made me want to continuously punch myself in the face. I would like to see the Heat demolish this team. And yes, part of what makes this so difficult was that we had a relatively easy path to the Eastern Conference with avoiding Brooklyn and the Bulls (even w/o Rose). Next season with Rose back in full form, we may not even have home court in the first round. Opportunity missed in my opinion, even if the Heat are the best team on the planet.

    8. Owen

      Re the reffing. I can’t say the disparity didn’t make sense watching the game and watching how the two teams play. The Pacers attacked all series long, something their youth and athleticism allows them to do. They were out there in transition, they were aggressive about stopping perimeter penetration, and Hibbert had a great series defensively. I think getting in the bonus was a conscious strategy, as well as getting Chandler out of the game, and they executed.

      There were some cheapies. The foul on K-mart that got him out of the game. The fast break foul on Lance. Some of Shump’s perimeter ball hawking calls. But overall, I don’t think it was decisive.

      Yesterday was actually closer than it should have been. Which is annoying. But it took a pretty ridiculous stretch from Shump and JR to even make it competitive. The Pacers, unfortunately, were the better team, with or without the refs.

    9. danvt

      Owen: The Pacers, unfortunately, were the better team, with or without the refs.

      OK, I won’t blame the loss on the refs. but…

      If a guy takes off toward the hoop for a dunk and someone JUMPS strait up and bodies collide, is that a charge?

    10. Bruno Almeida

      Owen:
      Re the reffing. I can’t say the disparity didn’t make sense watching the game and watching how the two teams play. The Pacers attacked all series long, something their youth and athleticism allows them to do. They were out there in transition, they were aggressive about stopping perimeter penetration, and Hibbert had a great series defensively. I think getting in the bonus was a conscious strategy, as well as getting Chandler out of the game, and they executed.

      There were some cheapies. The foul on K-mart that got him out of the game. The fast break foul on Lance. Some of Shump’s perimeter ball hawking calls. But overall, I don’t think it was decisive.

      Yesterday was actually closer than it should have been. Which is annoying. But it took a pretty ridiculous stretch from Shump and JR to even make it competitive. The Pacers, unfortunately, were the better team, with or without the refs.

      that’s the point, with or without the refs, Indiana was a better team, and it showed yesterday… it took Melo’s best game in the playoffs and a crazy good effort from Shumpert to compensate the plethora of stupidities Felton, J.R and Tyson were throwing it out there.

      when your players have to compensate for the stupidities of your teammates, you’re not a good team.

      look at Indiana, the only guy who played poor was Hill, but he had a goddamned concussion like 4 days ago, and he still got to the rim, shot free throws and limited his turnovers, which was much better than a fully-healthy Felton.

      I hate Felton so much right now.

    11. Brian Cronin

      Felton has an awful game, to be sure, but come on, he played really well for almost all of the playoffs. He had, like, three bad games all playoffs. Annoyingly, two of them were this round, but still! In fact, there’s a decent chance they don’t win the Boston series if he didn’t play as well as he did. For awhile there, he was the only scoring option other than Melo.

      It still mystifies me, though, how Cope didn’t get any burn until the Knicks’ eleventh playoff game!! Plus, JR couldn’t hit the side of a barn but Novak never got any burn at all! Besides garbage time in the Game 2 blowout, Novak played less than three minutes in the other five games of the second round, taking two threes, making one of them!

    12. flossy

      ess-dog:
      Ugh, two more years of Kidd, two more years of Camby, and three more years of Novak. Only one of those guys plays, and he probably shouldn’t.

      Kidd has to retire this offseason. Right? RIGHT? I mean I have never seen anyone look so completely finished as he did in these playoffs. I mean he played *significantly* worse than the corpse of Mike Bibby.

      Kidd’s a legend and had some big moments for us this season but it’s time for him to hang it up. Apparently we need to clear a roster spot for Chris Smith anyway so… [gunshot]

    13. Brian Cronin

      Admit it, we’d all love Lance Stephenson if he were a Knick.

      As much as we loved Sprewell.

    14. d-mar

      flossy:
      Admit it, we’d all love Lance Stephenson if he were a Knick.

      Of course that’s true, you could say that about any player on our team who had a career night in a playoff game 6. The point is that he got way too many easy baskets and it was painful to watch a mediocre player burn us over and over again.

      I’d be very surprised if he cracks double figures in any of the Heat games.

    15. jon abbey

      Lance Stephenson is 22 years old and was the alltime leading scorer in NY high school basketball. it is ridiculous to think that this could not be legitimate improvement, a la our boy Shumpert.

      also, fuck you again Donnie Walsh that he is not a Knick and Andy Rautins inexplicably was.

    16. flossy

      On the one hand, it’s heartening that we got as far in the playoffs as we did, considering:

      a) Amar’e gave us absolutely nothing
      b) Chandler was a shell of himself and played terribly
      c) JR Smith wet the bed in spectacular fashion
      d) Melo shot significantly worse than his regular season rates (while increasing his shooting volume)

      On the other hand…

      a) this has happen three years in a row
      b) this has happened two years in a row
      c) this has happened two years in a row
      d) this has happened three years in a row

      If none of our best players are going to even maintain their level of play from the regular season, to say nothing of stepping it up in the playoffs, what can we honestly expect?

    17. flossy

      Brian Cronin:
      The Chris Smith stuff is just a joke, right? Please tell me “right.”

      Chris Smith ?@3_ChrisSmith 10h
      I will be back next season along with my big brother @TheRealJRSmith … Will be a blessing to wear my Knicks uniform.. Prep for 2014 is now

    18. flossy

      d-mar: Of course that’s true, you could say that about any player on our team who had a career night in a playoff game 6. The point is that he got way too many easy baskets and it was painful to watch a mediocre player burn us over and over again.

      I’d be very surprised if he cracks double figures in any of the Heat games.

      He played great all series, though. He was a beast on the boards, aggressive defender, made big shots when his team needed it and took a ton of pressure off George Hill in game 6 by handling the ball more than normal.

      I think we’d all love a player like that, and the crazy thing is that he clearly has room to improve–he’s 22 and he still can’t shoot.

    19. ess-dog

      jon abbey:
      Lance Stephenson is 22 years old and was the alltime leading scorer in NY high school basketball. it is ridiculous to think that this could not be legitimate improvement, a la our boy Shumpert.

      also, fuck you again Donnie Walsh that he is not a Knick and Andy Rautins inexplicably was.

      Oh jesus, I forgot about Rautins. That was brutal.

    20. d-mar

      flossy: He played great all series, though.He was a beast on the boards, aggressive defender, made big shots when his team needed it and took a ton of pressure off George Hill in game 6 by handling the ball more than normal.

      I think we’d all love a player like that, and the crazy thing is that he clearly has room to improve–he’s 22 and he still can’t shoot.

      I don’t know about playing great all series, he had a dreadful game 5 and Vogel yanked him for the whole 4th quarter. I just don’t see what you and Jon Abbey see, he had a decent season but really no breakout games, and to say “think about how great he will be if he learns how to shoot” well, there’s a lot of guys you could say that about. Doesn’t mean it will happen.

      I just think the Knicks made him look a lot better than he is, although yes, I’d rather have him than Leo Rautins bastard son.

    21. Brian Cronin

      Chris Smith ?@3_ChrisSmith 10h
      I will be back next season along with my big brother @TheRealJRSmith … Will be a blessing to wear my Knicks uniform.. Prep for 2014 is now

      Oh, he’ll be back trying out for the team for sure (and on the Summer League squad), but that doesn’t mean he’s a lock to make the team, right?

      Although since JR is a lock to return, maybe he is.

    22. Bruno Almeida

      jon abbey:
      Lance Stephenson is 22 years old and was the alltime leading scorer in NY high school basketball. it is ridiculous to think that this could not be legitimate improvement, a la our boy Shumpert.

      also, fuck you again Donnie Walsh that he is not a Knick and Andy Rautins inexplicably was.

      perfect post.

      people calling Stephenson a mere scrub haven’t watched him this year, really.

      yes, he can’t shoot, but as we’ve all seen in the NBA multiple times, you can teach someone to shoot.. what Vogel and Bird did superbly was to make him realize what an incredible physical athlete he is, and that he can use this to become a superb defender, rebounder and to bully less physical players driving to the basket, and that’s exactly what he did last night, all his field goals were inside the paint.

      obviously he’s still a very young player with a lot of baggage, so he’ll have some stinkers like game 5, when George Hill’s absence forced him to take a larger role than he was prepared for… but to say he’s a scrub is to misunderstand the whole process of developing players that Indiana did masterfully these 2 past seasons.

      what I REALLY hate about the Knicks is that we haven’t been capable of doing that… Shumpert is the only example in many years (and David Lee before that) of a young player that got significantly better while on the Knicks… the other guys, from Felton to Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler or J.R Smith are pretty much what they were in the first place.

    23. Bruno Almeida

      by the way, Bill Simmons said it, everybody got angry, but it’s the truth: this team is a team of bad shot makers, and those shots more often than not get harder and harder to make in the playoffs against strong defenses.

      I have no complaints about Carmelo, he did what he could, and it is a great asset to have a player who can put up 39 on such a tough defense on an elimination game.

      but this team had NO plan other than giving it to Carmelo and hoping he would save the day.

      for all of you complaining about the difference in free throws, just read this: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22266469/knickspacers-game-6-how-indiana-dominated-at-the-stripe

      the Pacers shot 54% of their shots inside the paint, while the Knicks shot 36.5%.

      that’s the difference in free throws right there.

    24. flossy

      Bruno Almeida: people calling Stephenson a mere scrub haven’t watched him this year, really.
      yes, he can’t shoot, but as we’ve all seen in the NBA multiple times, you can teach someone to shoot.. what Vogel and Bird did superbly was to make him realize what an incredible physical athlete he is, and that he can use this to become a superb defender, rebounder and to bully less physical players driving to the basket, and that’s exactly what he did last night, all his field goals were inside the paint.

      He’s obviously just starting to take advantage of his physical gifts and learning how to play the pro game. Dude’s not the second coming of LeBron or anything (though he looked it last night) but to call him a scrub is naive, unless you’d apply the same label to someone like, say, Iman Shumpert.

      Indiana was more than 9 pts/100 possessions better with Stevenson on the court this past season (and he played 2700+ minutes so it’s not like it’s a fluke). I know that partially has to do with the quality of Indy’s bench, but still–you can’t put up numbers like that if you are a true scrub.

    25. danvt

      ess-dog: Ugh, two more years of Kidd, two more years of Camby, and three more years of Novak. Only one of those guys plays, and he probably shouldn’t.

      ess-dog: Plus two 18mil guys that play the same position, one with bum knees.

      Bruno Almeida: it took Melo’s best game in the playoffs and a crazy good effort from Shumpert to compensate the plethora of stupidities Felton, J.R and Tyson were throwing it out there.

      Owen: Re Chandler, just sick about his play. But he hasn’t looked right for half the season. Not sure what I was expecting.

      Let me say that all the doom and gloom is a bit 2009 at this point. Why didn’t Tyson play well? How about because he had a bulging disc in his back? I love how the entire narrative in CHI is Rose not playing but Amar’e being out get’s us no love from the press or slack from anyone. It was a joy to see Kidd play this year. He was a total hero who was a major force in instilling the discipline in this team move the ball and keep moving it, WHICH THEY DID. He had the cred with Melo and JR. Novak got a big deal but Copeland is from the bargain bin.

      It was a good season. Remember last year when a healthy Tyson Chandler won a bunch of games in a row with Jared Jeffries, Steve Novak, Landry Fields, and a PG from Harvard….

      We have the squad. I don’t know if we can beat the Heat but we have every reason to believe we’ll get the chance next year.

    26. jon abbey

      Chandler was bad defensively for most of the season, so unless that bulging disc happened in November, I’m not really buying it as the only reason he was awful.

      and it was a joy to see Kidd play this year? did you stop watching in December? dude just played the worst playoffs any player ever has, literally. he made the corpse of Mike Bibby look good by comparison. the 84 year old Bob Cousy could have given us similar production.

      it was a good season in some senses, but also a major disappointment in that any window this team has is closing fast (or already shut, or possibly even never existed) and better focus/play would have had them sweeping Boston 4-0 and winning over Indy in 7, then getting their shot at Miami. there isn’t much reason to think this team will be better next year, although establishing an actual rotation at some point would be a step in the right direction.

    27. jon abbey

      and I was right and ruru was wrong about Amar’e, thinking he would contribute positively after going out in March was always laughable, sorry.

    28. ruruland

      jon abbey:
      and I was right and ruru was wrong about Amar’e, thinking he would contribute positively after going out in March was always laughable, sorry.

      I always said that he’d contribute in the first series by drawing fouls on the Pacers bigs inside. I thought he should have gotten more touches.

      I felt he’d be the difference in the Heat series.

    29. ruruland

      Well, let’s remember that few thought this window would exist a year or so ago. There are two years left until the reload. GG and MW seem pretty skilled patching together a team with quality, cheap role players.

      How could the Knicks be better in the regular season next year?

      Prigs and Cope come back and go from 2,000 combined minutes to 5,000 minutes.

      Kenyon Martin comes back and plays 65 games instead of 18.

      How can the Knicks be better in the postseason?

      Iman Shumpert continues to develop into a more efficient version of Paul George, a legitimate second or third scorer, and earns a def. reputation that allows him to do reach in and play as physically as PG does.

      PG’s production went from about 13 points per 36 through 100 games to 17 points per 36 in his third season.

      Wade’s production jumped about 40 % from year one to year three.
      Harden’s big jump came in year three. There’s a long list of guys with somewhat similar profiles to Shump.

      Shump’s shooting in combination with his quickness and leaping ability from one and two feet could allow him to develop into a great scoring guard if he can add some on-ball skills.

      A lot less physically gifted guys developed into excellent on-ball players.

      I actually think Shump and JR will more or less switch roles next season. Shump is a lot faster/quicker than JR, with more experience in screen role going back to playing pg in college.

      How would the series have changed with Indiana had Amar’e not been coming off a 7 week rehab?

      Is it possible to imagine that the NBA’s best post player of 2013, arguably the most versatile big man paint scorer in the game could have made a significant difference in the playoffs?

      Nevermind the fact that Amar’e can also play pick and pop and when right makes mid-range jump shots at a very high percentage.

      Nah, I can’t imagine that making a difference against Indiana.

    30. danvt

      ruruland: Nah, I can’t imagine that making a difference against Indiana.

      Thank you thank you thank you Ruruland. You have been a pleasure to read this season. Big ups, man!

    31. danvt

      jon abbey: Chandler was bad defensively for most of the season, so unless that bulging disc happened in November, I’m not really buying it as the only reason he was awful.

      It seemed to me that the tap outs stopped happening after the back problems. Maybe you’re right in terms of blocks, charges, or being a consistent threat in the p&r, but he always had those marvelous tap outs.

    32. nicos

      ruruland:

      Iman Shumpert continues to develop into a more efficient version of Paul George, a legitimate second or third scorer, and earns a def. reputation that allows him to do reach in and play as physically as PG does.

      A lot less physically gifted guys developed into excellent on-ball players.

      I actually think Shump and JR will more or less switch roles next season. Shump is a lot faster/quicker than JR, with more experience in screen role going back to playing pg in college.

      I think part of the issue with Shumpert picking up fouls was George’s length which made Shump really have to extend his arms esp. when trying to poke the ball away from behind. I’d like Shump to play more two next year than he did this year- that’s his true position.

      And I think what really got exposed with JR against Indiana was that for all of his athleticism, his first step is very, very ordinary. Against disciplined defenders he has a tough time getting into the lane. JR may be a better overall athlete than Melo but Melo’s first step is far superior- one big reason he’s a perennial all-star and JR’s JR. Shump’s first step isn’t elite but it’s better than JR’s and that combined with his handle should get him into the lane on a regular basis. I do hope Shump works on some kinesthetic stuff in the off-season to improve his finishing at the rim- for a guy who’s as strong and athletic as he is he shouldn’t be throwing up so many off-balance flings inside.

    33. ruruland

      danvt: Thank you thank you thank you Ruruland.You have been a pleasure to read this season.Big ups, man!

      Thanks, let’s remember that Melo, Amar’e and Chandler only played 225 minutes together, but had an offensive rating of 117.2 with a 55.4 % rebound rate!!

      Both of those numbers would obviously lead the league by a huge margin.

      They did that with a 107.8 defensive rating, which is bad, but get this: Those three players never shared the court with Iman Shumpert or Pablo Prigioni.

      Amar’e needs to start next year and assuming he gets medical clearance, play 30 minutes per game.

      1. Having an actual power forward in the game allows Chandler to play aggressive defense, which is the only way he’s effective. Chandler played well this year when he was alongside Camby, Wallace, Amar’e.

      Amar’e isn’t a great rim protector, but he will contest shots on the weakside and his standing reach and shoulder length make him a much better interior presence than Melo.

      2. It’s much more difficult to try to go at Melo defensively when he is playing small forward, assuming Shumpert guards the opponents best wing scorer. While the Knicks were a very good defensive rebounding team with Melo at the 4, they were even better with him at the 3. Melo can faceguard bigger players, but can contribute more as a guy coming down from the perimeter to help the bigs. Amar’e is a better rebounder as a pf than Melo is.

      3. Double screens. The Knicks best play this year might have been the high double screen. They ran it a few times with Chandler and Amar’e. I’m not exactly sure how it can be guarded when you have two 40 percent spot-up 3-point shooters in Melo and Shumpert.

      4. Melo was at his playmaking best playing with Amar’e. Melo trusts Amar’e. His assist rate rose dramatically with him in the game. Synergy issues are vastly overstated.

    34. jon abbey

      danvt: It seemed to me that the tap outs stopped happening after the back problems.Maybe you’re right in terms of blocks, charges, or being a consistent threat in the p&r, but he always had those marvelous tap outs.

      I think that is true in part, but I also think late in the year, teams started defending against those by sending their guards to where he generally tapped it. so there were still some tapouts there, but usually they went to the other team, and occasionally they even led to a fastbreak basket the other way (there was one immense play like this against BOS that ended in a Terry 3, maybe in the OT of game 4).

    35. ruruland

      nicos: I think part of the issue with Shumpert picking up fouls was George’s length which made Shump really have to extend his arms esp. when trying to poke the ball away from behind.I’d like Shump to play more two next year than he did this year- that’s his true position.

      And I think what really got exposed with JR against Indiana was that for all of his athleticism, his first step is very, very ordinary.Against disciplined defenders he has a tough time getting into the lane.JR may be a better overall athlete than Melo but Melo’s first step is far superior- one big reason he’s a perennial all-star and JR’s JR.Shump’s first step isn’t elite but it’s better than JR’s and that combined with his handle should get him into the lane on a regular basis.I do hope Shump works on some kinesthetic stuff in the off-season to improve his finishing at the rim- for a guy who’s as strong and athletic as he is he shouldn’t be throwing up so many off-balance flings inside.

      Great points.

      JR is actually a really overrated athlete IMO. His full-court speed isn’t all that great, either. And I would say his first step is worse than average.

      Melo isn’t a great leaper or all that fast in the full-court, at least not anymore, but the short area quickness, first-step, second leap and his ability to release shots very quickly from a variety of body positions, all of those things are very rare athletic assets — though they don’t scream at you like a 40 inch vertical or Eric Bledsoe running the floor.

      Shump has a really explosive first few steps. It’s not so much the first step, but the second, third and fourth that are quick and cover so much ground — that and his motor are what remind me of Wade.

      Wade developed a bunch of trick shots in paint, many of which are counters to going all the way to the rim.

    36. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      ruruland: Melo isn’t a great leaper or all that fast in the full-court, at least not anymore, but the short area quickness, first-step, second leap and his ability to release shots very quickly from a variety of body positions, all of those things are very rare athletic assets — though they don’t scream at you like a 40 inch vertical or Eric Bledsoe running the floor.

      His turn-around jumper on the baseline last night was gorgeous. I still don’t think he’s a top 30 player, though.

    37. ruruland

      I think Shump, Prigs, and Chandler are excellent complements to Melo and Amar’e.

      That would be my starting five next season.

      Prigs is a great, low usage quarterback that is probably going to be at his best the more options are around him.

      Amar’e, as a roller, doesn’t need the pg to get all the way to the basket like Chandler does, he just needs a good, timely pass.

      Melo was asked to carry too great a burden offensively this year with FOUR low usage players in the starting lineup.

      Amar’e reduces Melo’s scoring burden, Shump spaces the floor and takes advantage of rotations, and you have a great deal of offensive versatility and ways of initiating.

      You have two very good perimeter defenders and Chandler.

      The second unit would be Felton, JR, Copeland,Novak, Martin.

      Re-signing Copeland would be huge. I think we saw enough improvement defensively from him where, gosh, I’m not sure what his ceiling is.

      Offensively, he seriously might be one of the 5-10 most versatile players in the league.

      I honestly think he has a chance to turn into a superior version of Chris Gatling.

      I think Felton plays his best in short bursts, he is better suited as a spark off the bench. I think he’ll run more, too. i’d still play him 20-24 minutes because I don’t think Prigs should go over 30.

      The Smith, Novak, Copeland trio played really well with each other.

      Martin isn’t the screen setter Chandler is, but Felton’s quickness can bridge the gap.

      It wouldn’t be a great defensive unit of course.

    38. massive

      If we aren’t going to start Raymond Felton, we should trade him and Novak to the Jazz for Paul Millsap in a S&T. I would need PG insurance in the form of a Shane Larkin or Dennis Schröder, though. If we could get Schröder/Larkin and Paul Millsap, we will be a better version of the Pacers.

    39. Bruno Almeida

      well, I’m sorry, but if your hopes for next year depend on healthy Amare starting for this team, I’m already feeling like 2009.

      dude played 47 games in 2011-12, and 29 in 2012-13… I’m sorry, he’s gone.

      and even if he does play, he’s such an incredibly bad defensive player that it won’t work on this NBA… just check out both conference finals, all 4 teams are playing superb defense.

      unless Tyson comes back strong and we finally give Iman starting minutes, we can’t keep up defensively with Felton + JR + Melo + Amare + Chandler.

      and clearly, on the playoffs, referees will reward more physical teams like Indiana, Memphis or the Heat.

      I do think we have a good chance to contend next year, but Woodson needs to pull his head out of his a**… Shumpert should start, Copeland, Prigioni and Martin should take most of the backup minutes, and if we find a decent guard in the draft or free agent we’ll be fine.

      still not as good as Miami, but who knows, maybe this time we get the lucky end of the injuries.

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