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Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Jul 21 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Knicks could be headed for a fall (Sun, 21 Jul 2013 02:20:12 GMT)
    This was supposed to be the month when Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul would finally become partners in New York, forming the perfect free-agent marriage of superstar scorer and superstar point guard.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Chicago’s Balanced Attack Sinks the Liberty (Sun, 21 Jul 2013 03:35:29 GMT)
    The Sky rookie Elena Delle Donne finished with a career-low 7 points, but Chicago had five scorers in double digits.    

  • [New York Times] Silver Stars Too Much for Stars 60-52 (Sun, 21 Jul 2013 03:21:51 GMT)
    Danielle Adams had 20 points and the San Antonio Silver Stars ended a four-game skid with a 60-52 victory over the Connecticut Sun on Saturday.    

  • 65 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Jul 21 2013)

    1. jon abbey

      I’ll go even further, the entire Daily News has been worthless since around 1994, dunno how they still exist. and this is from someone who still buys the print edition of the Post every day…

    2. lavor postell

      That level of negativity is what I just can’t stomach anymore. Ok for most of the 2000′s we were a fucking travesty of a basketball team and franchise as a whole. This is not 2007. We do not suck at basketball. We may not be the best, but we certainly are a competitive team that is not an automatic W for teams. MSG is not just the arena where Kobe, LBJ, Wade and Ben fucking Gordon show up to light up the Knicks in the most painful and excruciating ways possible.

      We have this Melo Anthony guy who does his fair share of destruction on our behalf. We are, whether by ingenius design or because of a new CBA, not hamstrung by bloated contracts for the extended future. We won 54 games last year and have most of that core returning. We finished as the 2nd seed. We won the division for the first time since 1994 and advanced past the first round for the first time since 2001, dispatching the Pierce/Garnett Celtics on the way.

      From everything that’s happened this summer it seems like a lot of people are super pissed we gave up a first rounder for Bargnani. Not ideal, we can all agree, but is it really that bad? People like Isola feed into this hysteria and people lap this shit up and buy into it. There have been a lot of times as a Knick fan where there was genuinely nothing to be excited or happy about. This is definitely not one of those times.

    3. Z-man

      Yeah, it’s like no matter what Obama does, Fox news will spin it into a negative, or to be fair, vice versa with MSNBC and Bush.

      The thing is, as a beat writer, why would you do that? There’s no politics involved, and whether the team does well or not, you have a story to report. In fact, you have no reason to root for the team to be irrelevant. I wonder if The Russian is paying him off under the table.

    4. Brian Cronin

      I’ll go even further, the entire Daily News has been worthless since around then, dunno how they still exist. and this is from someone who still buys the print edition of the Post every day…

      Yeah, it’s funny, I actually was much more irked at Mitch Lawrence from that time period (I think he moved to the Daily News in 1992). I get being negative about certain Knick teams, but the 1991-1994 teams? Seriously? The 60 win team? Like it was their fault that they played in the same conference as the greatest player in NBA history?

    5. Brian Cronin

      he thing is, as a beat writer, why would you do that? There’s no politics involved, and whether the team does well or not, you have a story to report. In fact, you have no reason to root for the team to be irrelevant. I wonder if The Russian is paying him off under the table.

      Here’s a rough primer on why Isola hates the Knicks.

      http://deadspin.com/how-frank-isola-became-the-most-hated-man-at-madison-sq-478620919

      I’m not even saying that Dolan and the Knick organization aren’t jerks. It still doesn’t make it right for Isola to just troll people for the sake of hits.

    6. SeeWhyDee77

      Isola is a dick. No..we didn’t make a splash with huge name recognition ala Brooklyn. But we did get younger and better. Brought back our core which will be a year stronger. We should have a healthy Shump, Stat, and Chandler. We brought in tone setter in MWP, one we don’t need to score a whole lot. And on top of all that, we brought in 2 diverse offense weapons in Bargnani and Hardaway Jr, which should help when the offense bogs down like it did in the playoffs. These aren’t rose colored glass I’m wearing, these are facts. Can injuries put a serious monkey wrench in things? Yup. But that doesn’t mean we took a step backwards. I don’t know how Isola still writes for anybody but the National Inquirer..jeez!!

    7. Vinny L.

      I can’t stand BOTH papers, but Daily News over the Post anyday!

      And Isola is probably right. I think the Knicks are a 5 seed next season. The Knicks focused on continuity of a 2nd round playoff team while its opponents upgraded. They held on to Prig with the MLE then got priced out the market for every free agent they want.

      Artest fell in their lap but he’s in the twighlight of his career.

      The coach who’s supposed be about “personal responsibility” takes the easy way out. Instead of blaming himself and the so-called leaders of this team, he scapegoats Shump for the Indiana loss:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isz9mClxFEw

      Summer scrub league is going to teach Shump how to get his teammates involved?

      Carmelo’s Playoff Assist Per Game%: 1.6 Assist per… 40% shooting.

      JR: 1.4 assist per… 31% shooting

      Lebron’s Playoff Assist Per Game%: 6.6 per

      Dwyane Wade: 4.8

      LOL!

    8. Brian Cronin

      Dolan might very well be dumb enough to be irked at Shump over something stupid like not playing in the Summer League, but Woody was not scapegoating Shump.

    9. SeeWhyDee77

      I will admit the East is top heavy. But I’m not willing to say 5th seed at best. I still think we’re better than Brooklyn. We have the same amount of options as they have..the only difference is all of their options start. Pierce and Garnett will be 4th and 5th option which does sound scary. But I don’t know that it will work with the coaching they have. My reference on that is Phil Jackson couldn’t get Shaq-Malone-Kobe-Payton to work. Brooklyn will be good though, no doubt. Even with a healthy Rose, I think we match up well with Chicago with MWP in tow. I’m on the fence about Indy. MWP will go a long way towards keepin us in it, but they are getting a healthy Granger back. I think the top 3 seeds in the east are Miami, Indy, and NY. If Grunwald can make 2 more smart veteran signings, that will only cement that for me. I don’t wanna over sell, but as long as our guys are healthy, that’s a pretty damn good team. Now that I think about it..with an up and coming Washington, Cleveland, and Detroit..there might be a lot more competition in the East than we’re accustomed to seeing

    10. JK47

      Really I actually prefer the underdog narrative.

      Sure, whatever, the Knicks suck, they’re a 5 seed or worse, the Nets are the greatest thing in the history of ever, Melo is leaving for the Lakers and Shump is going to be traded for, I dunno, Andres Biedrins or something. And then Isiah is going to come back and run the team again. Whatever, Isola.

    11. JK47

      In the Atlantic, there are two good teams: the Knicks and Nets. Philly has basically started from scratch and will be a bad team. Toronto has a few decent pieces in Lowry, Amir Johnson and Valanciunas but they’re a fringe playoff contender at best. The Celtics figure to be one of the worst offensive teams in the NBA. Gerald Wallace is probably gonna be their go-to scorer. They’re not going to be good.

      In the Central, there are two good teams: Indy and Chicago. We already know about those two. Detroit has a lot of nice young pieces and could step up and become a playoff team, but they’re still awfully young. I’m less bullish on Cleveland, who right now are basically a collection of questionable lottery picks and veterans who are major question marks because of injuries. Milwaukee will be bad.

      In the South, you have the Heat, and then a lot of mediocre to bad teams. Atlanta will probably fight for a lower seed. Washington is intriguing but they were the 30th ranked offense in the NBA last year and their draft pick, Otto Porter, looked clueless in summer league. They don’t seem to have enough offense to really make noise. Then you have the two worst teams in the conference, Orlando and Charlotte, who are guaranteed to be terrible.

      So #5 is sort of a worst-case scenario for NYK. After MIA, IND, CHI, BKN and NYK, who’s the next best team? Atlanta? Detroit? Toronto?

    12. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      lavor postell: Not ideal, we can all agree, but is it really that bad?

      Accepting the worst player in the NBA on your team is always a bad thing. Giving it up for a first-rounder is absolutely fucking insane.

    13. Brian Cronin

      Gerald Wallace is probably gonna be their go-to scorer.

      Boston will not be good, but Jeff Green will clearly be their go-to guy.

    14. massive

      Before everyone says “The Knicks are still a 5 seed,” I’d like to remind people that the Memphis Grizzlies were a 5 seed last season and made it to the Western Conference Finals. People are saying the Knicks are a 5 seed because of the other teams in the conference, and I can see that argument. But I think the Knicks are a better regular season team than both Indiana and Brooklyn, so we’re likely the 3 seed headed for a 2nd round crash course with Chicago next season. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Brooklyn is the 6 seed with Cleveland being the 5 seed next season behind Irving, Varejao, Bennett, and Bynum. They’re not being talked about, but that is a playoff team in Cleveland. Irving, Jack, Clark, Bennett, Waiters, Varejao, and Bynum is a really good rotation they have.

    15. JK47

      Yes, the only hope is that the Knicks bring in a chucking 5’3″ shooting guard who is still a free agent on July 21. That’s the only thing standing between the Knicks and true greatness. Because playing a midget who can’t guard anybody doesn’t give back ANY of the immense value of his .535 TS%.

      “WHY IS NATE ROBINSON STILL A FREE AGENT?”

      Because he’s not that good, dude. I actually wouldn’t mind having on the team, but now I don’t want him, because I don’t want to hear “WHY ISN’T NATE ROBINSON PLAYING MORE” every single goddamned day.

    16. jon abbey

      massive:
      Before everyone says “The Knicks are still a 5 seed,” I’d like to remind people that the Memphis Grizzlies were a 5 seed last season and made it to the Western Conference Finals.

      in large part because Westbrook went down, not sure of the point here.

      agreed on Cleveland, curious to see how they actually gel.

    17. lavor postell

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Accepting the worst player in the NBA on your team is always a bad thing. Giving it up for a first-rounder is absolutely fucking insane.

      Cool. How much do you really think this trade affects the Knicks’ future outlook? I’d much rather have the cap space in 2015 over watching Novak stand in the corner for the next 3 years utterly incapable of doing anything on his own and disappearing once the playoffs start.

    18. Brian Cronin

      in large part because Westbrook went down, not sure of the point here.

      Yeah, especially since as we noted the other day, no #5 seed has ever made the NBA Finals. Is being a 5th seed a death knell? Of course not, but it is not a good place to be, whether Memphis made the Western Conference Finals or not. I don’t think that the Knicks will BE a #5 seed, though, so it is a bit of a moot point.

      agreed on Cleveland, curious to see how they actually gel.

      It’ll be fascinating. That team does not seem to fit together at all. A whole ton of disparate parts.

    19. SeeWhyDee77

      I honestly don’t get all the disdain for Nate. Lil guy’s pretty damn good. Just because he’s 5’9″ does not mean he should be getting 11 apg. But he more than holds his own against his much bigger than he is. Just like everybody else, I’d like for him to be a better floor general and have more of a presence defensively but he’s great as a spark plug when u need points. That said, if we didn’t already have JR..I’d be ecstatic to have Nate. But he’s not a fit on this roster. Not everyone is built to be an all around player. Sayin Nate’s not good is a serious stretch however. He’s just not good for this team right now.

    20. massive

      The point is that being a 5 seed in a competitive conference isn’t as damming as people think. And Westbrook’s presence doesn’t guarantee a victory over the Grizzlies to me. Mike Conley wasn’t All-NBA 2nd team defense for no reason, and I don’t think Reggie Jackson plays as well as he did if he wasn’t forced to step up in Westbrook’s absence. The Thunder are still the favorites with a healthy Westbrook, but it’s not a foregone conclusion that they win that series.

      jon abbey: in large part because Westbrook went down, not sure of the point here.

      agreed on Cleveland, curious to see how they actually gel.

    21. SeeWhyDee77

      SeeWhyDee77:
      I honestly don’t get all the disdain for Nate. Lil guy’s pretty damn good. Just because he’s 5’9? does not mean he should be getting 11 apg. But he more than holds his own against his much bigger than he is. Just like everybody else, I’d like for him to be a better floor general and have more of a presence defensively but he’s great as a spark plug when u need points. That said, if we didn’t already have JR..I’d be ecstatic to have Nate. But he’s not a fit on this roster. Not everyone is built to be an all around player. Sayin Nate’s not good is a serious stretch however. He’s just not good for this team right now.

      I meant to say “he more than holds his own against guys much bigger than him”..damn autocorrect

    22. massive

      Re: Cleveland, I think when you have a point guard like Kyrie Irving and a pivot like Bynum, all the other pieces will fall in line. Varejao and Bynum should fit well together due to the high usage/low usage dynamic they have going on, and Bennett can fit in nicely at either forward spot. If they bring Varejao off the bench, Jack, Waiters, Clark, and Varejao is a really good 2nd unit to have. If they get 65 games out of Irving and Bynum, they will be a playoff team and a thorn in someone’s side come the 1st round. Hopefully we don’t have to deal with them.

    23. Brian Cronin

      I honestly don’t get all the disdain for Nate.

      My impression is that the disdain for Nate is only because he is being pushed so hard by Vinny.

    24. Brian Cronin

      Re: Cleveland, I think when you have a point guard like Kyrie Irving and a pivot like Bynum, all the other pieces will fall in line. Varejao and Bynum should fit well together due to the high usage/low usage dynamic they have going on, and Bennett can fit in nicely at either forward spot. If they bring Varejao off the bench, Jack, Waiters, Clark, and Varejao is a really good 2nd unit to have. If they get 65 games out of Irving and Bynum, they will be a playoff team and a thorn in someone’s side come the 1st round. Hopefully we don’t have to deal with them.

      First off, the fact that Bynum was forced to take just $6 million guaranteed sure as heck sounds like he’s no less confident about his ability to be healthy this season than anyone else.

      Secondly, Irving is a fastbreak point and Bynum is a half court center. I am not saying at all that they won’t be able to make it work, but it sure is not a foregone conclusion.

    25. massive

      Calling Kyrie Irving a fastbreak point is baseless IMO, unless you consider Kevin Durant and LeBron James fastbreak wings. Yes he excells on the break, but he has the ball handle and offensive game to dominate in the half court just like a Stephen Curry. Playing more half court basketball won’t hurt Kyrie Irving in the slightest. He’ll still have his crossover and extremely advanced offensive game for a player his age. They’ll fit together nicely.

      And yes, Bynum’s health is a question mark. I’m not saying it isn’t, but I think he’ll be healthy enough to play. If he is, then Cleveland is in great shape this year.

      Brian Cronin: First off, the fact that Bynum was forced to take just $6 million guaranteed sure as heck sounds like he’s no less confident about his ability to be healthy this season than anyone else.

      Secondly, Irving is a fastbreak point and Bynum is a half court center. I am not saying at all that they won’t be able to make it work, but it sure is not a foregone conclusion.

    26. Brian Cronin

      But Lebron and Durant are open court guys, which is why their teams build around them by giving them similar players. Note how useless Perkins has been in OKC because he’s a half court player on an open court team (that and, you know, he has been terrible, but still, even when he wasn’t so bad he was a poor fit).

      But yes, Irving can adapt. I certainly don’t mean to say that he can’t. But he might not. It will be interesting to see what happens.

    27. JK47

      I don’t have disdain for Nate. I have disdain for the idea that he’s this huge difference maker, and that signing him will be the Knicks’ salvation. He’s a volume scorer who is a liability on defense. Is that really the key missing ingredient for the Knicks?

    28. SeeWhyDee77

      We have what, 4 spots open? Our main rotation is set an we need more youngins to develop, so I think we should add Tyler, Murry, Daye and Boobie Gibson. I really like Jennings (the one from our summer league roster), but we need a 3rd PG who can shoot and handle the ball in spot minutes and has enough experience to spell Prigioni should he wear down. Boobie is still out there and I don’t think he’ll mind playing that role. Then we can let 3 guys with nice upside develop. I only added Daye in because I dot think Leslie will be ready to step in just yet and Daye can step in at the 3 from time to time..plus he’s still young enough to develop. Leslie kinda reminds me of Darius Miles. I hope his career doesn’t go the same route because once Miles finally started getting comfortable with his game as it developed, he got hurt.

    29. SeeWhyDee77

      JK47:
      I don’t have disdain for Nate. I have disdain for the idea that he’s this huge difference maker, and that signing him will be the Knicks’ salvation. He’s a volume scorer who is a liability on defense. Is that really the key missing ingredient for the Knicks?

      I can dig it. He only fits here if we didn’t already have JR

    30. massive

      Well wasn’t Kobe an open court guy with Shaq as a half court guy? I think Irving will run with Bennett, Waiters, Varejao, Clark, and Gee. He can also play the half court P&R with Bynum. I think the reason Perkins is a poor fit in OKC is because he’s an offensive zero. People here may think Chandler is a zero, but at least he’s a great diver out of the P&R. They never run any P&R/P&P with Perkins; that’s Ibaka’s job. Perkins is just a terrible offensive player in general. He isn’t either of a half court or front court player.

      But I do see where you’re coming from. The adjustment could be a rough one, but considering how bad the talent around Irving has been, it shouldn’t be too tough. It’s not like Bynum is replacing a good fast break player.

    31. massive

      The missing ingredient for the Knicks is what Andrea Bargnani is supposed to be, but won’t be. We need a second scorer, but that will be handled by committee between Bargs, JR, and Stat. We could also use a back-up for Tyson Chandler. Maybe Greg Oden can do that for us? Probably not, so it’s looking like we’ll need a backup center by committee, too. Looks like we’re relying on Jeremy Tyler and Kenyon Martin for that.

    32. massive

      In other words, Nate is not the missing ingredient. I actually think Bobby Brown is a taller and better Nate Robinson. Sue me.

    33. BigBlueAL

      Kyrie Irving still has alot of question marks surrounding his game, this season should really be fascinating to watch his game. From everything Ive read he is considered to be one of if not the worst defensive PG in the league. He now plays for Mike Brown whose strength is on the defensive end. Also Irving for his career averages over 3 to’s per game and under 6 assists per game. Will be curious to see with better teammates if he changes his game a bit and becomes more of a playmaker.

    34. SeeWhyDee77

      massive:
      The missing ingredient for the Knicks is what Andrea Bargnani is supposed to be, but won’t be. We need a second scorer, but that will be handled by committee between Bargs, JR, and Stat. We could also use a back-up for Tyson Chandler. Maybe Greg Oden can do that for us? Probably not, so it’s looking like we’ll need a backup center by committee, too. Looks like we’re relying on Jeremy Tyler and Kenyon Martin for that.

      Stat is the #2. As long as he’s healthy. I think that if MWP starts..Stat can anchor that second unit in the paint, obviously more so on offense. And then JR and Bargnani can play off of him. The trick is getting JR to buy in. Less pressure on our 3 biggest question marks, and it also puts them in positions to be more effective. I hope Dream can teach Stat how to pass out of the post when the D collapses. Stat’s never been even a decent passer or ball handler.

    35. SeeWhyDee77

      If Bargnani fails..Grunwald may lose his job. I admire him for working around our loaded cap and trying SOMETHING. But in the end I think he has hitched his rep to Bargnani. I think Dolan’s meddling kinda put pressure on him to add another scorer. In all likelihood, Bargnani would have been amnestied this year and we coulda added him for the vet minimum. I do have faith that Bargnani can find his game and rebuild his rep but I also fear that Dolan will ultimately cost us another good exec. If Grunwald fails no one except “he who shall not be named” will want to work for the Knicks. If Bargnani doesn’t rediscover his game and Melo is once again the last man standing, then we lose our best player and Grunwald. This season is a HUGE risk because there is no room for error as Melo can opt out and the Lakers will have the cap room to add him and LeBron…which would be the best tandem the league has ever seen

    36. d-mar

      Hey, let’s look at the bright side, at the rate we’re falling in the standings (without having played a game, of course) maybe we win the draft lottery next year!

    37. JK47

      d-mar:
      Hey, let’s look at the bright side, at the rate we’re falling in the standings (without having played a game, of course) maybe we win the draft lottery next year!

      No draft pick after this year. But when we really bottom out in 2014-2015, we’ll still have that lottery pick available until we make some dumb trade that allows an opposing team to swap picks, unprotected.

    38. SeeWhyDee77

      Nothin to do with the Knicks..but I’m also a fan of another NY team that dons blue and orange..so I just wanna say:
      Matt Harvey is the best pitcher in the world!!! LOL

    39. massive

      Iman Shumpert
      ?@I_Am_Iman
      Can we please DEAD these dumb ass rumors! I love my team as well as the new additions. I wanna win! #thatisall
      -Iman Shumpert

      Straight from the horse’s mouth. I wonder what Isola has to say in response.

    40. hoolahoop

      Everyone here can hate on Isola all they want, but he speaks the truth. The competition is constantly making moves to get better. Teams go from being better than the knicks, to much worse, then better again. Meanwhile, the knicks are making 2nd rate trades that everybody thinks are actually going to make a difference, when in reality, they’re going backwards.

    41. hoolahoop

      Brian Cronin: My impression is that the disdain for Nate is only because he is being pushed so hard by Vinny.

      How about that the fact that he was always looking to get into fights on the court, fought with teammates in the locker room, and never saw a shot he didn’t like?

    42. Vinny L.

      Facts:

      Nets vs. Bulls Game 4 3OT: Nate Robinson highlights – 34 points (23 in the 4th) playing with the flu.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3t-DuslN4E

      Facts:

      J.R. Bricks shot 31% from the floor in the playoffs and averaged 1 assist per. Got ejected. How many times did Nate get ejected???

      I didn’t want to say this, but there’s some kind of conspiracy between GM’s & owners to “black” ball Nate Rob. There I said it!!!

    43. BigBlueAL

      Vinny L.:
      Facts:

      Nets vs. Bulls Game 4 3OT: Nate Robinson highlights – 34 points (23 in the 4th) playing with the flu.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3t-DuslN4E

      Facts:

      J.R. Bricks shot 31% from the floor in the playoffs and averaged 1 assist per. Got ejected. How many times did Nate get ejected???

      I didn’t want to say this, but there’s some kind of conspiracy between GM’s & owners to “black” ball Nate Rob. There I said it!!!

      Where are the highlights from Game 4 vs the Heat??

    44. hoolahoop

      Vinny L.: I didn’t want to say this, but there’s some kind of conspiracy between GM’s & owners to “black” ball Nate Rob. There I said it!!!

      Whoa! Back off on the meds.

    45. flossy

      If Andrew Bynum plays more than 40 games this season I will be shocked. If he does, I don’t see why he wouldn’t dramatically improve the Cavs (who were only 13th in pace last season, hardly a track team), but he probably won’t so the point is moot.

      Vinny, can you just STFU? Nobody cares about Nate Robinson. He’s clearly not coming to the Knicks, so please find another team’s fan base to annoy.

    46. johnno

      flossy: Vinny, can you just STFU? Nobody cares about Nate Robinson. He’s clearly not coming to the Knicks, so please find another team’s fan base to annoy.

      You are assuming, of course, that Vinny isn’t already on every other team’s blog posting the same nonsense about Nate that he posts here. There are probably people in every NBA city who right now are typing, “Nate is NOT coming here. Why don’t you go on a Knicks site and annoy the hell out of them!”

    47. Hubert

      max fisher-cohen:

      I don’t think NY has to be like OKC. It’d be cool if they could be something similar to the Lakers under Buss Sr. though, willing to take risks when the time is right. I mean, the 1996 Lakers won 53 games with a middle-aged roster, and then blew the whole thing up because they saw the team was approaching its ceiling, trading a 27 year old Vlade Divac for the 13th pick in the draft and letting All-Star Cedric Ceballos walk so as to preserve cap room, which they were able to turn into Shaq.

      max fisher-cohen:

      I don’t see my perspective as jaded. I think the Knicks are doing an okay job. I want them to do a great job. I want to see a coherent vision for this team to not just maintain the 44-54 win cycle ala so many forgettable teams. I want them to go against popular thinking, go against the sure thing, and take the kind of high risk high reward chances that sometimes might leave a team in the doldrums but have the potential to catapult the team up into a higher echelon.

      What is the high reward in your scenario?

      I don’t disagree with any of this. I just think the only thing worth doing that for this year is opening up cap space because you think you can get LeBron. But you have to know, not just hope.

      The Lakers, by most accounts, worked back channels to get a strong indication of interest from Shaq, so when they blew up their 53 win team they knew what they were getting for it.

      I would hope Melo and LeBron discuss this at some point and if there is a chance they want to play together we would move heaven and earth to make it happen here. It’s why I advocated trading Amar’e for the expiring contracts of Okafor and Ariza….

    48. Hubert

      …but in the absence of a realistic high reward scenario, I think you stick with your 53/54 win team.

    49. Vinny L.

      Ok, Prig is the best. He’s the next coming of John Stockton or Nash. The Knicks can not live without that Prig.

      There, do you like me now? Lol.. You guys probably haven’t even played ball and you’re acting like experts.

      When K-Mart bolts the Knicks then we’ll realize how incredibly stupid it was to use the MLE to sign a 36 year old, overrated PG to a multi-year/million deal when Greg Oden, Elton Brand, Samuel Dalembert, Brandan Wright, Tyler Hansborough and others are on the market?

      The Knicks could’ve had one of these big men, World Peace PLUS Nate Robinson or Aaron Brooks at the vet minimum!

    50. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Vinny L.:
      Ok, Prig is the best. He’s the next coming of John Stockton or Nash. The Knicks can not live without that Prig.

      There, do you like me now? Lol.. You guys probably haven’teven played ball and you’re acting like experts.

      When K-Mart bolts the Knicks then we’ll realize how incredibly stupid it was to use the MLE to sign a 36 year old, overrated PG to a multi-year/million deal when Greg Oden, Elton Brand, Samuel Dalembert, Brandan Wright, Tyler Hansborough and others are on the market?

      The Knicks could’ve had one of these big men, World Peace PLUS Nate Robinson or Aaron Brooks at the vet minimum!

      While I certainly don’t agree with his posting style or his assertion that Nate is the answer to all that ails us, if we don’t end up with a quality back up to Tyson then he won’t exactly be wrong with the above statement.

      In sum total, as much as I love what Prigs bring (and think Vinny vastly underrates his impact), I would rather have had Metta/One of the above bigs not named Greg Oden/Some other vet min PG than just Prigs and some dreck.

      And, for the record Vinny, I’ve been playing organized ball since I was 8 years old, 4 years of HS ball here in the city, and I still play in a rec league and won’t stop until I can no longer walk.

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