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Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Jul 14 2013)

  • [New York Post] Serby’s Sunday Q & A with… Andrea Bargnani (Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:18:15 -0500)
    The Knicks newest acquisition, 7-footer Andrea Bargnani, takes a timeout for some Q&A with Post columnist Steve Serby.

    Q: What was it like playing against Kevin Garnett?

    A: He’s a very good defender, very good player, great competitor, so it’s always fun, very fun to play against…

  • [New York Post] Tyler turning heads (Sun, 14 Jul 2013 04:03:20 -0500)
    LAS VEGAS — The Knicks need a banger up front to contend with the Pacers’ Roy Hibbert. The 6-foot-10, 260-pound Jeremy Tyler is trying to prove he’s the guy.
    Tyler, who played for the Warriors and Hawks last season, got off to a great start Friday in the Knicks summer…

  • [New York Post] Johnson: Knicks need World Peace (Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:19:18 -0500)
    LAS VEGAS — Knicks executive Larry Johnson admittedly is worried, unsure the Knicks have done enough to keep pace with the Eastern Conference stalwarts, specifically the Nets. And he said he believes the addition of Metta World Peace would be a perfect step.
    Johnson, who spends his summers in Las Vegas…

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: 76ers Acquire Two Players From Rockets (Sun, 14 Jul 2013 04:35:36 GMT)
    The 76ers said they acquired the rights to Royce White and Furkan Aldemir for future draft considerations. White was a first-round pick last summer but never played for the Rockets.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Liberty Are Upended by the Fever (Sun, 14 Jul 2013 04:15:47 GMT)
    Erlana Larkins scored a season-high 15 points, and the Indiana Fever used a big third quarter to rout the Liberty.    

  • [New York Daily News] Isiah best source for World Peace (Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:10:10 GMT)
    If the Knicks are doing background checks on Metta World Peace, all James Dolan has to do is pick up the phone and call his unofficial consultant, Isiah Thomas.    

  • 49 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Jul 14 2013)

    1. jon abbey

      Artest’s 48 hours are up today at 5 PM, when will we know if someone has bid on him or not? I’d be surprised if they do, but I get surprised a lot these days.

    2. jon abbey

      that Bargnani interview actually makes me feel a little better about that move, silly on my part probably but we’ll see.

      in unrelated news, there is a Q and A in that interview that shows exactly why WP is worthless gibberish (well, one reason anyway):

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      Q: How will playing with Carmelo Anthony help your game?

      A: Well Melo, he’s a superstar, he can do everything. So just the attention that he draws from the other team, he helps not just me but the other four players on the court, because the other team’s got to be focused on him. They’ve got to guard him and double-team him, so that opens up space on the court. I hope I can help him have more space now, be on the perimeter sometimes, not just inside, it can open up the court for him to play more.

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      as I’ve said before plenty of times, this is maybe the single most important ability in the NBA, opening up space for your teammates. when there’s a stat to measure that, I’ll take NBA stats more seriously.

    3. d-mar

      danvt:
      Too hot to wear my lucky warmup jacket, drat.Come home Ron Ron!

      I heard his first choice is to become a yak herder in Outer Mongolia, and if that doesn’t work out, a professional cricket player in Pakistan.

    4. DCrockett17

      as I’ve said before plenty of times, this is maybe the single most important ability in the NBA, opening up space for your teammates. when there’s a stat to measure that, I’ll take NBA stats more seriously.

      While I agree with this to some degree, the problem is usually how we use stats more than the stats themselves. All data tells us something. Our job is to figure out what it says and what it doesn’t.

      On the other hand, I’d argue that making this kind of claim about Melo or about anyone without substantiating leaves me flat. I just think that regardless of whether someone uses Hollinger stats, Berri stats, Synergy-style counting stats, video (or, ideally a combination of all) they have to substantiate these kinds of claims.

    5. DCrockett17

      Dallas is really pissing me off.

      I was worried that they might target guys we wanted after Howard signed in Houston.

    6. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      jon abbey:
      that Bargnani interview actually makes me feel a little better about that move, silly on my part probably but we’ll see.

      in unrelated news, there is a Q and A in that interview that shows exactly why WP is worthless gibberish (well, one reason anyway):

      =============================

      Q: How will playing with Carmelo Anthony help your game?

      A: Well Melo, he’s a superstar, he can do everything. So just the attention that he draws from the other team, he helps not just me but the other four players on the court, because the other team’s got to be focused on him. They’ve got to guard him and double-team him, so that opens up space on the court. I hope I can help him have more space now, be on the perimeter sometimes, not just inside, it can open up the court for him to play more.

      =============================

      as I’ve said before plenty of times, this is maybe the single most important ability in the NBA, opening up space for your teammates. when there’s a stat to measure that, I’ll take NBA stats more seriously.

      And you’ll do your damndest to explain it when his efficiency is exactly the same as it was last year.

    7. danvt

      I’d like to know how stats correlate to each other. You’d expect the top five pgs all to have a close to 40% 3pt shooter on their wing. If like the stats team says, “guys get what they get even with Toney Douglas”, then what Andrea says doesn’t hold much water. On the other hand, Michael Jordan had the amazing assist to the wide open dunker (Wennington?) on the winning play of the double nickel game because he created a wee bit of space maybe? Or did big Bill just kinda get that dunk?

      DCrockett17: On the other hand, I’d argue that making this kind of claim about Melo or about anyone without substantiating leaves me flat. I just think that regardless of whether someone uses Hollinger stats, Berri stats, Synergy-style counting stats, video (or, ideally a combination of all) they have to substantiate these kinds of claims.

    8. bidiong

      I think it’s hard to tell what individual statistics mean because there is no way for a basketball player to go one on one with everyone in the league. Part of your statistics will be based on how your teammates perform. If you’re forcing jumpers because you don’t have another playmaker on your team then you will lose efficiency. Look at LeBron, he can pick and choose what stats he wants to work on because he has Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh to score if he wants to focus on rebounding and assists.

    9. er

      bidiong:
      I think it’s hard to tell what individual statistics mean becausethere is no way for a basketballplayer to go one on one with everyone in the league.Part of your statistics will be based on how your teammates perform.If you’re forcing jumpers because you don’t have another playmaker on your team then you will lose efficiency.Look at LeBron, he can pick and choose what stats he wants to work on because he has Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh to score if he wants to focus on rebounding and assists.

      This is what advanced stat heads dont want to hear. There are outside factors to efficiency. No one is saying dont follow them. But they are not black and white. LBJ was an efficient player before miami. Now its just ridiculous party because he can pick and choose shots. And he is WILLING to do so

    10. jon abbey

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: And you’ll do your damndest to explain it when his efficiency is exactly the same as it was last year.

      heh, no, I’ll mostly ignore it either way.

      Artest has cleared waivers, unrestricted free agent.

    11. jon abbey

      DCrockett17: While I agree with this to some degree, the problem is usually how we use stats more than the stats themselves. All data tells us something. Our job is to figure out what it says and what it doesn’t.

      this is kind of true in this case, and would be more true if NBA stats were reliably/scientifically gathered (turnovers, assists, steals, even rebounds), but as we’ve discussed numerous times, they’re not.

    12. JK47

      Metta cleared waivers and apparently wants to be a Knick:

      http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9477347/source-metta-world-peace-hoping-join-new-york-knicks

      Okay, question. Since Metta gets his Laker money no matter what, does it matter if we offer him the remainder of our MLE, or does he end up with the same amount of money even if we offer him the vet minimum? Because if Metta gets the vet min, Kenyon Martin comes back for the vet min and the Knicks sign some other piece (Dalembert?) with the remainder of the MLE, this is a pretty good ballclub that is shaping up here.

      This story hit ESPN’s website very shortly after MWP cleared waivers, so I have to think this whole thing is happening.

    13. jon abbey

      Dalembert is likely going to sign with Dallas and be their starting C, I believe.

      we’re looking at:

      Chandler
      Melo
      Artest
      Shumpert
      Felton

      K-Mart
      Bargnani
      Amare
      JR
      Prigioni

      plus Hardaway and Leslie, that’s getting there. they still need another big man.

    14. Zanzibar

      jon abbey:

      as I’ve said before plenty of times, this is maybe the single most important ability in the NBA, opening up space for your teammates.

      Our success in the playoffs imo ultimately depends on Amare and Melo being healthy and very productive. What is the key ingredient to their playoff productivity? Space!! Amare may be darn near unstoppable if he doesn’t have secondary defenders swooping in when he becomes completely discombobulated, has poor court vision and is a poor passer. Melo, to a lesser extent, is similar: when Amare and Melo start their drive they both have tunnel vision and lack the ability to find the open man like LBJ, Durant, and Duncan. But keeping Hibbert/Noah/Garnett away from the paint helps to mitigate that. Prigs and Shump’s 3 shooting ability will help prevent perimeter double teams and a 5 who can stretch the floor while playing solid D/rebounding would be key. Problem is that’s a rare combination which explains why Brand is so critical.

      On a related topic. word from Tyson camp on what he’s working on this summer. Post move? Nah, but you knew that already. Maybe a mid-range shot to stretch the floor? Nope though that could open the offensive floodgates per above. Seems he’s “focused” on putting that 10 pounds back which he lost at the end of the season. What a trooper, making this sacrifice for the team. Wonder who’s helping him in this endeavor – Mr. Entenmann?

    15. flossy

      Dalembert is way too good to be back-up for $1.7 million. He could start and get paid several times that amount with Dallas, for one thing.

      I have a feeling we’re going to actually see a Stoudemire/Bargnani platoon at the back-up 4/5 with, hopefully, some Kenyon Martin thrown in. Assuming (please basketball jesus) Artest comes here and K-Mart is our only other big man of noted added to the roster, I actually think a frontcourt rotation of Artest, Melo, Chandler, Stoudemire, K-Mart and Barngnani offers a lot of potential offense/defense combinations where you can combine elite high-volume scorers who can do a lot more than their fare share on offense, with smart, athletic, versatile defenders who can guard more than one position and help make up for other players defensive issues (if Chandler is the same guy that made the Knicks a top 5 defense in ’11-’12).

      Hopefully we can squeeze a bit of production out of at least one random young big (Leslie? One of the summer league centers? A random FA like Cole Aldrich?) to account for the games that K-Mart and Amar’e are obviously going to miss.

    16. JK47

      On a related topic. word from Tyson camp on what he’s working on this summer. Post move? Nah, but you knew that already. Maybe a mid-range shot to stretch the floor? Nope though that could open the offensive floodgates per above. Seems he’s “focused” on putting that 10 pounds back which he lost at the end of the season. What a trooper, making this sacrifice for the team. Wonder who’s helping him in this endeavor – Mr. Entenmann?

      If he’s putting on 10 pounds of muscle that somehow atrophied over the course of last season, that could be more important than trying to learn post moves or a 15-footer at age 31. He was getting shoved around like a rag doll at the end of the season and looked altogether feeble out there. I would take 2011-2012 Chandler back in a heartbeat, even without post moves or a jumper.

    17. Zanzibar

      JK47:

      If he’s putting on 10 pounds of muscle that somehow atrophied over the course of last season, that could be more important than trying to learn post moves or a 15-footer at age 31..

      We really don’t know what caused the weight loss? Strep throat? Maybe weight would just return naturally. I’m not against weight training to improve overall strength but I think working on a mid-range jumper is more important. Remember Tyson’s motion looked solid when he hit that foul line jumper in Game 6 of Pacers series. Bigs usually can improve their outside shooting since normally they haven’t spent that much time practicing it.

      JK47:

      I would take 2011-2012 Chandler back in a heartbeat, even without post moves or a jumper.

      Y’all are not gonna like what I’m about to tell you but statistically there isn’t much difference between the Tyson of 2011-12 and last season’s Tyson: a WS/48 of .220 versus .207. OK you may say that defense issues don’t show up in the stats. I would argue that the condensed season, schedule, energy bursts (Linsanity and coach change), Jared Jeffries were all critical factors in our 7th place defense rating in 11-12. Last season we dropped to 18th and our defensive numbers were the same whether Tyson was on or off the court. I think Tyson’s performance improves when he is paired with a more protoypical PF but that PF needs to provide offense which brings us back to Tyson/Amare pairing and, of course, Melo in the playoffs. And that brings us back to floor spacing against tougher defenses and the likes of Hibbert/Noah/Garnett.

    18. ruruland

      Not many of the Knicks Twitter folks even thought he would make it through waivers; thought that would have been the obvious part.

    19. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      er: This is what advanced stat heads dont want to hear. There are outside factors to efficiency. No one is saying dont follow them. But they are not black and white. LBJ was an efficient player before miami. Now its just ridiculous party because he can pick and choose shots. And he is WILLING to do so

      Sorry dude, but even Daniel Gibson could hit a three-pointer now and then. You act like he was tossing the ball to Div. III scrubs in Cleveland.

      NEWSFLASH: NBA TALENT IS PRETTY EVENLY DISTRIBUTED OUTSIDE OF A FEW RIDICULOUSLY AWESOME PLAYERS AND ANDREA BARGNANI/ADAM MORRISON/MICHAEL BEASLEY

    20. ruruland

      Source close to Metta just told me MWP definitely wants to play for Knicks. Clippers fairly distant 2nd, China 3rd/ Broussard.

    21. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Sorry dude, but even Daniel Gibson could hit a three-pointer now and then. You act like he was tossing the ball to Div. III scrubs in Cleveland.

      NEWSFLASH: NBA TALENT IS PRETTY EVENLY DISTRIBUTED OUTSIDE OF A FEW RIDICULOUSLY AWESOME PLAYERS AND ANDREA BARGNANI/ADAM MORRISON/MICHAEL BEASLEY

      Remember, anytime you engage Jowles, don’t expect the conversation to head in an intelligent direction.

      If he responds, he’s only going to repeat himself, regardless of whatever point/argument you make.

      Full-time troll. Disregard.

    22. jon abbey

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:

      NEWSFLASH: NBA TALENT IS PRETTY EVENLY DISTRIBUTED OUTSIDE OF A FEW RIDICULOUSLY AWESOME PLAYERS AND ANDREA BARGNANI/ADAM MORRISON/MICHAEL BEASLEY

      do you think if you use all caps that your idiocy will be more convincing?

      NBA talent probably follows a bell curve like most things, but you’re making it seem like 95 percent of the league is interchangeable, which is absurd.

    23. jon abbey

      if JR and Artest really end up as Knicks teammates, we need an hour long special of them interviewing each other. K-Mart can maybe be mediator if necessary.

    24. flossy

      jon abbey:
      if JR and Artest really end up as Knicks teammates, we need an hour long special of them interviewing each other. K-Mart can maybe be mediator if necessary.

      Because everyone is a step down on the batshitometer from Artest, I don’t think that would quite reach the level of Ron interviewing himself:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QPycSze7vY

    25. Vinny L.

      Uhhh I “ASSumed” that MWP would be a free agent and that he’s full of it with his stories. And I got hammered here for that.

      I ASSumed that Knicks “brain trust” wasn’t 100% sure about Metta or Nate (someone who killed the Nets) but sure about prig (who didn’t kill Indiana but has good “efficiency” numbers lol… Whatever that is)…

      Cope could’ve killed Indiana but he didn’t have a good coach like Van Gundy that would’ve recognized that HE IS A PROBLEM when he’s in the game. Maybe the Knicks staff was listening to soft nerds talking about efficiency and how good Prig is. But not talking about who has killer and survival instincts like Shump and Nate playoff wars! Now Indiana has Cope and we wasted the MLE. Could’ve got a way more better player if Knick help on to the MLE

    26. er

      Vinny L.:
      Uhhh I “ASSumed” that MWP would be a free agent and that he’s full of it with his stories. And I got hammered here for that.

      I ASSumed that Knicks “brain trust” wasn’t 100% sure about Metta or Nate (someone who killed the Nets) but sure about prig (who didn’t kill Indiana but has good “efficiency” numbers lol… Whatever that is)…

      Cope could’ve killed Indiana but he didn’t have a good coach like Van Gundy that would’ve recognized that HE IS A PROBLEM when he’s in the game. Maybe the Knicks staff was listening to soft nerds talking about efficiency and how good Prig is. But not talking about who has killer and survival instincts like Shump and Nate playoff wars! Now Indiana has Cope and we wasted the MLE. Could’ve got a way more better player if Knick help on to the MLE

      LOL

    27. Zanzibar

      This off-season is starting to mirror our regular season: good start, worrisome middle, and strong finish. We pick up Metta and KMart in the home stretch and still have the 1.7m mle money. Maybe Artest’s desire to finish his career in his hometown will somehow stir the same feelings in Brand. How much different is a 3 year 1.7m knick deal (probable buyout in year 3) than a 2 year/6m deal? Maybe Metta could threaten to change his name to Elton Brand if the real Brand doesn’t sign with the Knicks? Or we just sign Nate or Dalembert in the end. I’m really happy we have Woodson as a coach because looking more and more like we’re really gonna be stocked up on nuttiness. Last year with our aging cast we were General Hospital and this year’s soap opera will be All My Children starring Woody as the beleaguered father tryin’ to keep everyone happy.

    28. ruruland

      Artest is crazy, but I don’t think role would be an issue for him now. He was by all reports a coach-friendly, great teammate in LA.

      Just don’t want to start losing games with him on the roster, but I don’t think that’ll be a problem.

    29. ephus

      I want Metta World Peace.

      I also want world peace, but that is a different story.

      I see him as a plus defender against Lebron, Paul George and Paul Pierce.

      If he gives 20 minutes per night, I am happy.

      Maybe he will even be a positive influence on JR Smith.

    30. ephus

      In response to the question above, if MWP signs with a new team, the Lakers get setoff, as with any other waived player. So his salary is meaningless for this season. Next year, it makes a difference. Here is the work from Larry Coon.

      @jronious If no bids, he becomes an unrestricted free agent & can sign anywhere. Lakers get set-off, but no direct relief.— Larry Coon (@LarryCoon) July 12, 2013

    31. ruruland

      Definitely still a really good defensive player against most 3s and 4s.

      Can handle switches onto even bigger and smaller player and hold his ground for reasonable amount of time. He will get extremely aggressive at times on the ball well beyond 3pt line.

      Just can’t run with the guards like he used to, but we have Shump.

      He and Shump can be best defensive wing duo in NBA next year.

    32. flossy

      Captain Jax would be one goon too far, IMO. He also seems to have little left on the court.

    33. jon abbey

      ruruland:

      He and Shump can be best defensive wing duo in NBA next year.

      he is also a great guy for an always switching D, in his prime he even used to be able to guard the 5 well at times, he was one of only a handful of guys who bothered Eddy Curry the year he led the league in points in the paint.

    34. Brian Cronin

      Great news about Artest. He’d be awesome here, even if he’s a shell of his former self that shell is still really helpful!

    35. ruruland

      jon abbey: he is also a great guy for an always switching D, in his prime he even used to be able to guard the 5 well at times, he was one of only a handful of guys who bothered Eddy Curry the year he led the league in points in the paint.

      Yep, might still be the strongest player in the NBA (he or Lebron) and has made Melo look like a little boy under the basket before.

      Discovered some pretty amazing #’s. He not only led Lakers in +/- last year and had been a +6 or better 9 of last 10 years, but the only active players with higher career +/- (net rating) than Metta World Peace? Duncan, KG, Nash, Lebron, Wade, Dirk, CP3.

      Just really hard to discount his impact. Crazy thing is that despite not being all that efficient on offense, his teams have been a +4 offensive rating with him on floor.

    36. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      ruruland: Remember, anytime you engage Jowles, don’t expect the conversation to head in an intelligent direction.

      If he responds, he’s only going to repeat himself, regardless of whatever point/argument you make.

      Full-time troll. Disregard.

      You want me to make my arguments more complex. I don’t think that’s necessary.

    37. Brian Cronin

      When Prigioni took over as the main floor general in mid-March, the Knicks went on a 13-game winning streak.

      I am a big Prigs fan, but I don’t like stuff like this from the ESPN article. Correlation does not equal causation and yet it constantly gets viewed that way in sports analysis.

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