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Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Jul 07 2013)

  • [New York Times] With Howard Leaving, Lakers Face Rare Task: Getting Over Breakup (Sun, 07 Jul 2013 02:06:37 GMT)
    Dwight Howard’s departure probably did not come as a surprise to anyone in the N.B.A. — except, perhaps, the Lakers, who do not lose marquee players but collect them.    

  • [New York Times] Shaq: LA Spotlight Too Bright for Dwight Howard (Sun, 07 Jul 2013 01:37:47 GMT)
    Shaquille O’Neal says the Los Angeles spotlight was too bright for Dwight Howard.    

  • [New York Daily News] Bargnani gets a second chance with Knicks (Sun, 07 Jul 2013 01:43:14 GMT)
    Andrea Bargnani never became Toronto’s answer to Dirk Nowitizki or Pau Gasol. Not even close. Instead, by the end of his disappointing seven-year run in Canada, Bargnani was starting to draw favorable comparisons to Kwame Brown, this generation’s poster child for busts drafted with the top overall pick.    

  • 12 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Jul 07 2013)

    1. danvt

      Vinny L.: Knicks miss out:

      I know! No Chris Copeland and now no Darren Collison! Let’s face it, we’re screwed. Screwed I tell you! I’m probably going to just be a Heat fan this year.

    2. Vinny L.

      Nets are gonna be a beast in the east next year if they can stay healthy. They might wanna pick up Prime Nate.

    3. lavor postell

      Vinny L.:
      Nets are gonna be a beast in the east next year if they can stay healthy. They might wanna pick up Prime Nate.

      Hahaha man the perception of the Nets is pretty funny. I honestly can’t wait for them to play uptempo, athletic teams like Miami, Golden State, Denver, etc. Also beyond their starting 5 what exactly do they have on that roster? They are going to be better than last year (when healthy) but the idea of them challenging Miami for Eastern Conference supremacy is funny. They have the same kind of chance we do to win a title, where a lot of things have to fall in their favor.

      Also what is your obsession with Nate Robinson? Are you his fucking agent? Can you possibly contribute something to any discussion other than that the Knicks need PG help and should sign Nate while being the only person on this board who thinks Prigioni is terrible and is a real weak link on our team.

      Also speaking of Golden State I think they have a real shot next year depending on how their health holds up. They don’t have a ton of depth right now, but if they can find any kind of frontcourt depth they will be dangerous, especially come playoff time. Curry-Thompson-Iguodala is a three guard lineup that will be as effective offensively as they were with Jack last year, but with way more defensive capabilities. If Bogut can stay healthy as well that gives them a top-3 defensive wing in Iggy and a premier (when healthy) defensive big man in Bogut. The West in general is just going to be silly next year.

    4. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      danvt: Couldn’t LA have given him 30 million more?How’s Houstons offer MUCH better?

      Come on, danvt. The media keeps talking about how the Lakers can offer him $30M more than Houston can, but that is purposely occluding the language to make it seem that much crazier that he’d take a “pay cut.”

      California’s state income tax is one of the most progressive in the nation, and also one of the highest. I suspect that he would be paying about 13% of his income to the state government, so, before federal taxes (which I believe are about the same if you make $15M or $19M a year), he would gross $103M in CA.

      4 yrs / $87M = $21.75M
      5 yrs / $103M = $20.6M

      Yes, he might end up making more in salary than he would in LA. This is an admittedly rough estimate, but unless Howard’s worried he’s not going to get another max deal after this one (injuries?), or he is worried that the lower escalations in pay from the new contract will prevent him from making Kobe-level money if he re-upped in 2017, this looks like just as good a deal for him. The only thing LA offered was a chance to play second-fiddle to a perpetually overrated former superstar with one of the worst injuries that can happen to a basketball player, and an extra year of security.

    5. nicos

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Come on, danvt. The media keeps talking about how the Lakers can offer him $30M more than Houston can, but that is purposely occluding the language to make it seem that much crazier that he’d take a “pay cut.”

      California’s state income tax is one of the most progressive in the nation, and also one of the highest. I suspect that he would be paying about 13% of his income to the state government, so, before federal taxes (which I believe are about the same if you make $15M or $19M a year), he would gross $103M in CA.

      4 yrs / $87M = $21.75M
      5 yrs / $103M = $20.6M

      Yes, he might end up making more in salary than he would in LA. This is an admittedly rough estimate, but unless Howard’s worried he’s not going to get another max deal after this one (injuries?), or he is worried that the lower escalations in pay from the new contract will prevent him from making Kobe-level money if he re-upped in 2017, this looks like just as good a deal for him. The only thing LA offered was a chance to play second-fiddle to a perpetually overrated former superstar with one of the worst injuries that can happen to a basketball player, and an extra year of security.

      Someone in one of the papers ran the numbers and said he was leaving 9m on the table once you factor in taxes. You have to figure he’ll make a good chunk of that back in the fifth year (if not more). He’ll probably lose something in local endorsements but given that Houston probably gives him a better chance to advance deep into the playoffs his national endorsements opportunities shouldn’t take a hit.

    6. mokers

      I think salary calculations are a little bit more complicated because I think most states have instituted rules where athletes need to pay income tax on the games they play in state:

      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/professional-athletes-big-league-tax-071447565.html

      Endorsements are different, of course, but if Dwight has a competent accountant (not a given for pro athletes of course) the tax burden is not something that he has to worry about and I think he would have come out ahead if he stayed in CA.

      Also, I doubt Dwight reads wages of wins, so while we all may know Kobe is not everything he is cracked up to be, I am having a hard time believing he is taking Kobe’s inefficiency into his equation. I agree that it is more likely he was worried about what sort of supporting cast LA could build around him with Kobe injured. I don’t buy into the idea that D’Antoni was a large reason for his departure. Like others have said, the bloom has fallen off that rose a bit and if it was a big issue for Dwight, the Lakers would have dumped the coach.

      I think Dwight saw a locker room and an organization that would revolve around him and do what he wanted. His antics in Orlando weren’t going to work with in the Lakers organization with the type of veterans they had. He will be much more free to be his own man:

      http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba–rockets-give-dwight-howard-what-lakers–kobe-wouldn-t–unconditional-love-061137592.html

      I don’t necessarily think that you have to have the Kobe mentality to win a championship, but that does not appear to be the way Dwight wanted to work and so he left. He has the ability to set the tone of team in Houston, something that was never going to be possible in LA.

    7. Goose

      Omer asik wants out of houston. We should try to get this guy for tyson Chandler. Tyson is much worthier of being Howard’s backup than Asik. He plays hard all the time, rebounds better than Chandler, is much younger, more offensive potential.

    8. danvt

      Goose: We should try to get this guy for tyson Chandler.

      First, who’s the third team involved because I assume K. McHale isn’t playing Dwight and Tyson in a twin towers scenario. Second, that’s a ton of movable parts because Asik makes about 1/3 of Tyson’s $. In other words, that’s a blockbuster trade. If we pull something like that off I’d prefer something more than whatever Asik gives you vis a vis Chandler (or doesn’t).

    9. danvt

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Come on, danvt. The media keeps talking about how the Lakers can offer him $30M more than Houston can, but that is purposely occluding the language to make it seem that much crazier that he’d take a “pay cut.”

      Usually players take all the years and money they can get, that’s all. So, I would hardly, considering the history involved, call the HOU offer “MUCH” better.

      I do think that this represents the beginning of a trend where players are thinking beyond monetary value. LBJ and Bosh started it by leaving a little money on the table to get to MIA. In MLB Cliff Lee then spurned more money from NYY to return to PHI. Now, Dwight. These were all sound decisions and David Stern (maybe?) deserves credit for innovating a system where players are starting to think about more than just the fiscal bottom line. It’s good for sports. I’ll be happy to watch D12 / Harden and will tune in. LAL was an uninteresting train wreck last season but I don’t think it would have exactly surprised anyone if he’d gone back. HOU is the surprise (a bit).

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