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Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Dec 30 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Melo, Amar’e and ‘Sheed could be back for New Year’s (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 02:24:52 GMT)
    The Knicks’ three-city West Coast trip was like a great television series. There were twists and turns, and you just couldn’t wait to find out what would happen next.

  • [New York Times] Stunned and Battered, Knicks Need Break (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:09:04 GMT)
    Coming off a last-second loss in Sacramento, the depleted Knicks hope to have at least Amar’e Stoudemire back after three days off.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Surge in Fourth Quarter to Blast Heat (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 07:01:49 GMT)
    The Milwaukee Bucks stunned the Miami Heat with a fourth-quarter blitz on Saturday to record a 104-85 blowout win over the NBA champions.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Whip Short-Handed Celtics 101-83 (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 06:59:03 GMT)
    What a December to remember for the Golden State Warriors.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Bucks Spoil Wade’s Return for Heat (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 06:24:03 GMT)
    Rudy Gay scored 8 of his 19 points down the stretch, and the Memphis Grizzlies beat the Denver Nuggets, 81-72, on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Nets 103, Cavaliers 100: Nets Talk Over Lunch and Win After Dinner (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 06:24:03 GMT)
    P. J. Carlesimo, the Nets’ interim coach, said the best way to persuade owner Mikhail D. Prokhorov to keep him is to do what he did Saturday: win.

  • [New York Times] Batum Sends Blazers to 89-85 Win Over 76ers (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 05:46:46 GMT)
    Nicolas Batum had 22 points, eight assists and seven rebounds, Damian Lillard added 20 points and the Portland Trail Blazers beat the Philadelphia 76ers 89-85 on Saturday night for their eighth straight victory at home.

  • [New York Times] Belinelli Scores 17 in Bulls’ Win Over Wizards (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 05:16:36 GMT)
    Marco Belinelli showed he can also be a force off the bench for the Chicago Bulls.

  • [New York Times] Even With Wade Back, Bucks Too Much for Heat (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 05:07:48 GMT)
    Brandon Jennings scored 25 points and Mike Dunleavy had 13 of his 18 in the fourth quarter as the Milwaukee Bucks beat the Miami Heat 104-85 on Saturday night to spoil Dwyane Wade’s return.

  • [New York Times] Even With Wade Back, Bucks Too Much for Heat (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 05:04:59 GMT)
    Brandon Jennings scored 25 points and Mike Dunleavy had 13 of his 18 in the fourth quarter as the Milwaukee Bucks beat the Miami Heat 104-85 on Saturday night to spoil Dwyane Wade’s return.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Surge in Fourth Quarter to Blast Heat (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 04:40:29 GMT)
    The Milwaukee Bucks stunned the Miami Heat with a fourth-quarter blitz on Saturday to record a 104-85 blowout win over the NBA champions.

  • [New York Times] Hornets Extend Bobcats’ Skid to 18 Games (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 04:01:44 GMT)
    Eric Gordon made his return to the lineup Saturday night. And for the better part of 24 minutes, he looked as if he’d never been away.

  • [New York Times] Gay Has19 Points, Leads Memphis Past Denver 81-72 (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 03:58:40 GMT)
    Rudy Gay scored eight of his 19 points down the stretch and the Memphis Grizzlies beat the Denver Nuggets 81-72 on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Wolves Hand Suns 5th Straight Loss, 111-107 (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 03:46:42 GMT)
    Nikola Pekovic had 28 points and 11 rebounds and Kevin Love added 23 points and 18 boards to lift the Minnesota Timberwolves to a 111-107 victory over the Phoenix Suns on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Roll to 124-94 Win Over Rockets (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 03:44:28 GMT)
    Russell Westbrook scored 28 points and Kevin Durant added 26 as the Oklahoma City Thunder built a big lead in the second quarter and rolled to a 124-94 win over the Houston Rockets on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Nets Hold Off Cavs, Move to 2-0 Under Carlesimo (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 03:19:32 GMT)
    Brook Lopez scored a season-high 35 points and grabbed 11 rebounds, and the Brooklyn Nets improved to 2-0 under interim coach P.J. Carlesimo by beating the Cleveland Cavaliers 103-100 on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] DeRozan Leads Raptors to Win Over Magic (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 03:10:35 GMT)
    DeMar DeRozan scored 21 points and Jose Calderon added 15 points and 10 assists, helping the Toronto Raptors to an easy 123-88 victory over the injury-depleted Orlando Magic on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Williams, Horford Pace Hawks Past Indiana (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 02:46:38 GMT)
    Lou Williams had 21 points and a career-high 12 assists, Al Horford added 20 points and the Atlanta Hawks won their fourth straight, 109-100 over the Indiana Pacers on Saturday night.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Finally, Something James Doesn’t Do (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 02:19:55 GMT)
    For Miami’s LeBron James, who has conquered virtually every obstacle put in front of him, the next frontier appears to be a complete avoidance of personal fouls.

  • [New York Post] Stoudemire set for long-awaited return to Knicks (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 04:35:59 -0500)
    The Knicks trudged off the Sacramento court late Friday night heads bowed â?? the 2012 portion of their schedule ending in heartbreaking, buzzer-beating defeat that ruined what would have been a historic comeback.
    But the depleted Knicks also walked off with the knowledge the next time they play on Tuesday, Amar…

  • [New York Post] Chandler not expecting to miss time with sprained ankle (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 04:30:32 -0500)
    The scene was all too familiar. Another Knick holed up in the trainer’s room after a game, getting treated.
    This time, Tyson Chandler came out of the trainer’s room in Sacramento, his right ankle wrapped in mounds of tape. He limped to his locker, dressed, spoke softly and…

  • [New York Post] The rumble (Sun, 30 Dec 2012 04:25:42 -0500)

    Glen Noack is a 48-year-old principal of an elementary school in Bethlehem, Pa., but he may have a future as this generation’s Nostradamus.
    Noack, who played power forward at Division II Bloomsburg in the 1980s, tweeted an entry at 6:24 p.m. Wednesday night for The Post’s…

  • 36 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Dec 30 2012)

    1. Z-man

      So here we are at the end of 2012, sitting at 21-9 with a 5 game lead in the division. Considering that:
      1. Melo has missed 6 games
      2. Amare and Shump haven’t played at all
      3. Felton has played poorly since he hurt his hands
      4. Camby has barely contributed
      5. Novak has been largely invisible, with only 11 games in which he made more than 2 3-pointers
      6. Sheed has missed double-digit games
      7. Kurt Thomas hasn’t done much
      8. White has contributed very little
      9. After a promising start, Brewer has sucked in all but one of the last 15 games (Denver)
      10. Despite a defensive-minded coach, improved play from Melo and the additions of Brewer, Camby and Sheed, the team ranks 17th in the league in D
      11. We’ve played some tough stretches in the schedule
      12. Prigs is servicable at best

      …our record is pretty f’ing acceptable.

      Bright spots:
      1. Melo is playing at a career-best level
      2. JR Smith is a 6th man of the year candidate and has carried the team at times
      3. Chandler has been almost as good as last year (some slippage on D at times, but nothing to worry about)
      4. Kidd has played better than most expected
      5. Sheed came out of nowhere to contribute significantly before getting hurt
      6. Copeland has provided a nice spark whenever he has been called upon (more, please!)
      8. #2 offense in the league? Wow.
      9. Prigs is servicable at worst

      I am very optimistic about our chances as we head into 2013. If all goes well, we should have Amare, Sheed and Shump back, followed in early Feb by Felton. Camby looked fine vs. SAC. Happy New Year!

    2. cgreene

      I tend to agree with the overall optimism. However one thing is stuck in my craw today. Melo is starting to prove to not be a durable player. He’s missed a lot of games now the past 2 seasons. 79 of 96 games. He is on pace to play 66 games this year. That pace alone would disqualify him for MVP consideration even at this level IMO. What gives?

    3. Juany8

      I’m going to go against the general thought and say that I believe the Knicks will have a top 5 defense in the playoffs. Chandler and Kidd will be able to go hard full time, Camby and Sheed as backups will make a big difference (one of them has to be healthy right?) and Shump has the potential to be the best guard defender in the league. Just Chandler playing like a monster full time will be a big change, he is simply not hustling at all for serious stretches of games, which I assume is because he’s smart enough to save himself now that the team isn’t trying to stay afloat. Same with Kidd, who’s also a lot older, and switches from looking like an all defense player and a scrub depending on the game.

      Miami and New York have a hard time going all out defensively for a full season because they don’t have traditional size, meaning they rely heavily on perimeter rotations. Guess what Brewer and Kidd are no longer doing as well as early in the season? I feel like Lebron will also man up hardcore in the playoffs, I don’t buy that he’s having some awesome season compared to last year, he just floats around the fucking perimeter on defense. Which is really scary for the rest of the league.

      BTW, Miami is 6-6 on the road, having played the least road games of anyone in the league. If Denver is getting a “bump” for their road heavy schedule, Miami should have the opposite problem

    4. Z-man

      I’m wondering if White could be a productive player with some minutes. If not, maybe we should look for a 4th PG.

    5. Z-man

      Juany, I agree that the Knicks D is underachieving right now. Unlike Miami, though, they don’t HAVE to go small, they can throw Chandler and Sheed/Camby out there with Melo/Amare, JR/Shump/Brewer and Kidd and play big with anyone. Having a C rotation of Chandler/Sheed/Camby, a PF rotation of Amare/Thomas/Sheed (and Melo) and a SF rotation of Melo/Copeland/Novak gives us big lineup options that Miami and Boston could only dream about.

    6. Brian Cronin

      I’m wondering if White could be a productive player with some minutes. If not, maybe we should look for a 4th PG.

      I haven’t really seen anything from him. Either Copeland or JR should really be starting over White.

    7. massive

      We need to bring the Jersey Boys off the bench together. Smith and Cope seem to have some really good chemistry together on court, and they were instrumental in our come back against Sacto. Cope has some serious versatility; he can be a P%R big, he can score in isolation, he can shoot the midrange jumper, and he can stretch the floor with his 3 point range. The guy is a super stretch 4. I think he can be a real asset for this team come playoff time.

    8. nicos

      massive:
      We need to bring the Jersey Boys off the bench together. Smith and Cope seem to have some really good chemistry together on court, and they were instrumental in our come back against Sacto. Cope has some serious versatility; he can be a P%R big, he can score in isolation,he can shoot the midrange jumper, and he can stretch the floor with his 3 point range. The guy is a super stretch 4. I think he can be a real asset for this team come playoff time.

      The problem with Copeland as a stretch four is he’s basically Steve Novak part two at the defensive end- an absolutely atrocious help defender who can’t grab a rebound to save his life- 3.0 rebounds per 36 minutes for a power forward is just stunningly bad. People complain about Amar’e’s rebounding but his worst year was 7.9 boards per 36 and he averaged 8.6 last year. If Copeland can keep hitting threes I’m fine with him taking Novak’s minutes but both guys put a ton of pressure on whoever is playing the five for the Knicks (certainly more than Amar’e which is really saying something) on the defensive end.

    9. BigBlueAL

      Well the Giants are now officially done. Knicks have the NY sports landscape all to themselves right now.

    10. flossy

      Why would Amar’e play if he’s not 100%? Unless Carmelo is more seriously injured than anyone knows, we’re 5 games up on our division and not exactly on the verge of collapse. It’s more important that Amar’e come back strong than just rush back soon.

    11. danvt

      It’s hard to gage these things. Doctors referrals are always moving targets plus it’s all getting dispensed through the basketball press. I mean, how many twitter posts can you read? When the ball get’s thrown up Tuesday we’ll know who’s ready to go. Until then they can throw around all the percentages they want.

      I just don’t know what they mean by these numbers. So, can he go from 80% to 100% in two days? Probably not. Will he be good enough to help the team at 85%? Seems likely. There’s also a difference between being “in shape” and “in game shape”. Then there’ll be the rust. As long as they don’t get him hurt. I don’t care about him being 85% of what he was with Nash in 2004-5 right now. But 85% of an NBA starter would be a problem. 85% healthy would be a problem.

    12. BigBlueAL

      Gotta love Berman on Twitter:

      Amar’e hedging about New Year’s. If he can’t give 12 minutes after all this time for depleted team, something wrong with how we pamper guys

    13. JC Knickfan

      When Melo come back I’m thinking we have
      Kidd, Brewer, Copeland, Melo, Chandler starting lineup.
      Brewer D-up the better offensive guard and Melo D-up better offensive forward. Kidd and Brewer can rebound so hopefully they cover Copeland’s pathetic rebounding from guard position.

      Melo probably should run some PNR with Chandler and Copeland would be 2nd option scoring option with JR still the 6th man.

    14. Darrell H.

      nicos: The problem with Copeland as a stretch four is he’s basically Steve Novak part two at the defensive end- an absolutely atrocious help defender who can’t grab a rebound to save his life- 3.0 rebounds per 36 minutes for a power forward is just stunningly bad. People complain about Amar’e’s rebounding but his worst year was 7.9 boards per 36 and he averaged 8.6 last year. If Copeland can keep hitting threes I’m fine with him taking Novak’s minutes but both guys put a ton of pressure on whoever is playing the five for the Knicks (certainly more than Amar’e which is really saying something) on the defensive end.

      Copeland doesn’t appear to be able to jump. I’m not sure he can even dunk… Tough to rebound that way unless you are Charles Oakley!

    15. nicos

      BigBlueAL:
      Gotta love Berman on Twitter:

      Amar’e hedging about New Year’s. If he can’t give 12 minutes after all this time for depleted team, something wrong with how we pamper guys

      I don’t know, he’s come back twice from micro-fracture surgery not to mention a very unpleasant rehab from his eye injury- he’s not exactly a slacker when it comes to rehab. If he’s not ready, he’s not ready. If it’s just a matter of getting his wind back, fine- play him limited minutes. But if he needs another week or two to get the strength back in the knee then give it to him. I’d rather take a couple of losses than rush him back just because some guys are out and then see him have to go back on IR again.

    16. KnickFanInCelticLand

      nicos: I don’t know, he’s come back twice from micro-fracture surgery not to mention a very unpleasant rehab from his eye injury- he’s not exactly a slacker when it comes to rehab.If he’s not ready, he’s not ready.If it’s just a matter of getting his wind back, fine- play him limited minutes.But if he needs another week or two to get the strength back in the knee then give it to him.I’d rather take a couple of losses than rush him back just because some guys are out and then see him have to go back on IR again.

      Nicos,

      I completely agree and co-sign.

    17. BigBlueAL

      The thing about the team being undermanned is thats not the case with the bigs anymore. Camby is back and certainly looks healthy with the way he has been blocking shots and rebounding and apparently from everything Ive read Sheed is definitely ready to play on Tuesday too.

    18. BigBlueAL

      I saw some quotes from him the other day talking about how much he hated missing the Christmas game and how he couldnt wait til New Years to play again.

      So the time table for him is definitely Tuesday, hopefully nothing causes any setbacks for him. It will be interesting to see when all the bigs are healthy who gets benched. Obviously Kurt will be but the interesting decision will be between Sheed and Camby since I cant imagine both will get regular playing time along with Chandler and Amar’e not to mention Novak and Cope.

    19. d-mar

      Celtics get waxed by the Kings, giving up 118 points, 34 in the 4th quarter.

      I guess we’re supposed to keep believing that for Boston, it’s all about the playoffs and they’re just pacing themselves. But except for a victory over OKC at home, they’ve been really unimpressive this season, and have had some alarmingly bad defensive performances. At some point, they’re gonna have to stop “coasting” and establish themselves as the Eastern power the sports media continues to insist they are.

    20. massive

      The Celtics are not a good basketball team as currently constructed. They have no center, and a 36 year old KG cannot be relied upon to play center for the duration of an NBA season. Ray Allen probably left that team because he knew they couldn’t contend. They say winning quells all problems, so he probably would have stayed on board if he felt they could compete with Miami.

      I find it amazing that people here really thought the Celtics would win this division. Going into 2013, it feels like the Knicks and Heat are the top teams in the division, and every other seed is up for grabs. If somebody told me that would be the case in April, I would have tried to sell them a bridge.

    21. jon abbey

      the Celtics are like the killer in every horror movie, they’re not dead until the final credits roll.

      it is great to see them struggle like this, though: they hadn’t lost three games in a row by 18+ points before tonight since 1977 (!!!).

    22. Frank

      cgreene:
      I tend to agree with the overall optimism.However one thing is stuck in my craw today.Melo is starting to prove to not be a durable player.He’s missed a lot of games now the past 2 seasons.79 of 96 games.He is on pace to play 66 games this year.That pace alone would disqualify him for MVP consideration even at this level IMO.What gives?

      I sort of disagree with this — think about the 3 plays during which he’s gotten hurt — one could easily have been a much more serious injury when Howard undercut him – missed two games, came back like gangbusters. The finger was a freak accident – came back like gangbusters. And even the Camby injury was another freak accident. This isn’t like Brook Lopez / Yao Ming and their feet, or even Amare and his microfractures. If anything, he seems to have an amazing ability to NOT get hurt seriously.

    23. cgreene

      Frank: I sort of disagree with this — think about the 3 plays during which he’s gotten hurt — one could easily have been a much more serious injury when Howard undercut him –missed two games, came back like gangbusters.The finger was a freak accident – came back like gangbusters.And even the Camby injury was another freak accident.This isn’t like Brook Lopez / Yao Ming and their feet, or even Amare and his microfractures. If anything, he seems to have an amazing ability to NOT get hurt seriously.

      I thought about it from that perspective as well. And that does have some truth to it. The finger thing was especially freakish. The only other explanation then is just typical Knicks bad luck. Haha. I mean you would think w the way Durant is built he’d be much more prone to injury but he never misses a game. I am not saying Melo is dogging it or should return sooner by the way.

      One other thing is that with Amare and Melo we have the 2 worst communicating stars in the league. I always find that what the are trying to say and how what they say is interpreted especially by the NY media is always slightly off base. Ha. What are you going to do.

    24. yellowboy90

      cgreene: I thought about it from that perspective as well.And that does have some truth to it.The finger thing was especially freakish.The only other explanation then is just typical Knicks bad luck.Haha.I mean you would think w the way Durant is built he’d be much more prone to injury but he never misses a game.I am not saying Melo is dogging it or should return sooner by the way.

      One other thing is that with Amare and Melo we have the 2 worst communicating stars in the league.I always find that what the are trying to say and how what they say is interpreted especially by the NY media is always slightly off base.Ha.What are you going to do.

      I may be wrong but in years past I think Melo would have tried to push through and play while injured but this year he has the luxury to sit out until he is closer to 100%. The team is capable of winning some with out him and the combination of the Knicks record along with the rest of the East’s record helps to0. IMHO

    25. Frank

      cgreene: One other thing is that with Amare and Melo we have the 2 worst communicating stars in the league. I always find that what the are trying to say and how what they say is interpreted especially by the NY media is always slightly off base. Ha. What are you going to do.

      Totally agree- Melo has come a long way with his PR since his admitting that he needed to play harder after MDA quit last year. Amare used to be pretty good with the media but I was pretty turned off by everything he was saying yesterday. The way I see it – if he’s on the court in a game, there should be no excuses from him about his play, good or bad. It’s like he’s preemptively giving himself an excuse for not playing well on his return. No one will blame him for starting slowly after surgery and not playing for 3 months, but it just looks/feels bad to play the martyr “if I have to sacrifice my body for the team of course I will” bit.

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