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Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Aug 05 2012)

  • [New York Times] Basketball | Men’s Pool Play : U.S. Basketball, After 3 Routs, Has Narrow Escape (Sun, 05 Aug 2012 05:50:06 GMT)
    A fourth-quarter rally led by LeBron James was required for American men’s basketball to fend off a hot-shooting team from Lithuania, which got 25 points from Linas Kleiza.

  • [New York Times] China’s Yao Ming Calls Punished Badminton Players Victims (Sun, 05 Aug 2012 03:26:14 GMT)
    Basketball hero Yao Ming has waded into the controversy over badminton match-throwing at the Olympics, saying China’s disqualified players were the victims in the incident.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: 30 Seconds With David Robinson (Sun, 05 Aug 2012 01:29:07 GMT)
    “I give Kobe a lot of credit for standing up for his team,” David Robinson said of Kobe Bryant’s claim that this year’s Olympic basketball squad could beat the 1992 Dream Team.

  • 40 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Aug 05 2012)

    1. Bruno Almeida

      “Let’s be frank about it,” he said. “When it comes to the Knicks, we’re talking about one particular point in time. We’re talking about the whole ‘Linsanity’ thing. That’s when it started. That’s when it started to escalate as far as people saying I was selfish.”

      “Lin came and we started winning games and then we started losing games, and they could only point to one thing, which is me, the leader of the team,” Anthony said. “They’re not going to point to Amar’e. They’re not going to point to (guard) Iman Shumpert. They’re going to point to me. I accept that. It doesn’t bother me.”

      http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19727442/carmelo-anthony-blames-linsanity-for-critics-calling-him-selfish

      oh, such a great and inspiring leader!

      after all, it’s totally non-selfish to blame all your critics on a former teammate!

      every day I trust Carmelo’s leadership abilities more and more!

    2. knicknyk

      Bruno Almeida:
      “Let’s be frank about it,” he said. “When it comes to the Knicks, we’re talking about one particular point in time. We’re talking about the whole ‘Linsanity’ thing. That’s when it started. That’s when it started to escalate as far as people saying I was selfish.”

      “Lin came and we started winning games and then we started losing games, and they could only point to one thing, which is me, the leader of the team,” Anthony said. “They’re not going to point to Amar’e. They’re not going to point to (guard) Iman Shumpert. They’re going to point to me. I accept that. It doesn’t bother me.”

      http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19727442/carmelo-anthony-blames-linsanity-for-critics-calling-him-selfish

      oh, such a great and inspiring leader!

      after all, it’s totally non-selfish to blame all your critics on a former teammate!

      every day I trust Carmelo’s leadership abilities more and more!

      He really shouldn’t be saying things like this. First of all it isn’t true that the selfish meme started during Linsanity it was long before Lin showed up. I distinctly remember the groans of the MSG crowd during thet Bucks Knicks game about Melo’s selfishness and I also remember the media pointing out the fact that Denver was fine without him whereas the Knicks were below .500 or something like that. It isn’t a good look when Melo says these things because it gives the message that even though he said he wanted Lin back and supported him that may have not been the truth.

    3. AvonBarksdale

      I wish D’Antoni and Lin would “be frank” about this article. Anyone who blatantly quits on a team multiple times throughout the season while admittedly not putting forth his best effort and being in less than stellar shape after the amount of money we spent and players traded to get him is crazy for continuing to stoke this fire, while not being the worst public relations disaster (amare tweets/extinguisher, jr jealousy, dwight howard trade, lebron the decision) melo is still top 3 asshole in the league. Linsational Weekend on NBA TV and you can see how lost amare looked all over again during those games he was able to play, he is not meant to look for the ball he was brought here to just have the damn ball most games he didn’t get much of a chance to contribute and no plays called for him at all. It’s not all Melo’s fault, D’Antoni coached them like an asshole, training camp, pre-season or not, i see some legitimate reasons why he def. had to go, but melo is gonnna now blame lin for coach d’antoni’s lack of iso/post up play calling? whatever fuck this article go knicks go melo, go felton. we will see who gets injured before we start missing lin’s 4th quarter heroics and playmaking ability. if melo pulls his groin and stat hurts his back and jason kidd realizes he’s old, that whole not making any kind of offer at all is really gonna come back to the forefront. even the minimum offer would’ve given me some consolation as it would’ve been a clear cut choice on lins part to go for the money. anyway we might be even better next season then most of us expect, this lin shit has gotta be motivational..even with him off the team he’s inspiring the knicks to up their game so his legacy is carrys on even if it’s fueled by hatred of lin, lin prevails. shump shump.

    4. sidestep

      If CAA is really so organized, I’d have thought that they would have given Melo some public relations training by now. He’s messing up the brand. The say-something-stupid news cycle with him is remarkably fast.

    5. er

      and all you losers saying he blamed lin learn how to read….he said linsanity……last i remember lins name was jeremy lin

    6. knicknyk

      er:
      and all you losers saying he blamed lin learn how to read….he said linsanity……last i remember lins name was jeremy lin

      Your completely dismissing the point. It isn’t about blaming somebody (anybody) it is about making stuff up. This isn’t the first time Melo has been caught making stuff up. After MDA quit Melo said that he would call him at the end of the week or something along those lines. However it was reported that the first time that Melo and MDA spoke was at the Olympics when Melo was in an elevator and MDA walked in. Melo said it could have been awkward but it wasn’t and they talked in the elevator and moved on. Another situation when Melo’s camp said he was the one who vouched for Lin to play. MDA also denied that, and ESPN played a recording of Glen Grunwald who confirmed that the decision was made between Grunwald and Dantoni as a final test for Lin because they were going to trade him to Toronto for Mike James. I have no problem with “player speak” and the NBA is a business so I “don’t hate the player I hate the game” so to speak. But it just isn’t a good look when he is trying to front like it was because of/during Lin’s meteoric rise that everyone started to call him selfish which isn’t the case. Frankly, Melo just needs to stop talking and play because he is making it harder and harder on himself next season saying all these things. If the Knicks underachieve all of this will come back to haunt him. I am rooting for Melo and the Knicks.

    7. Bruno Almeida

      “Frankly, Melo just needs to stop talking and play because he is making it harder and harder on himself next season saying all these things. If the Knicks underachieve all of this will come back to haunt him. I am rooting for Melo and the Knicks.”

      this.

      just stop talking, for god’s sake.

    8. Unreason

      I think Chandler and Brewer are a very good compliment to Melo and Amare on the starting unit; low usage, great D, and in Chandler’s case, very efficient. If age hasn’t diminished his abilities too much I suspect Kidd might be better than Felton with this starting unit because he’d probably take fewer and better shots and get more rebounds. I’d guess that Felton would be better at getting Amare going early via pnr, but I’m not sure he’d be so much better that it would make up for his other relative weaknesses. Felton’s surperior dribble penetration seem like a better fit with Novak and JR on a second unit.

    9. er

      you people need to stop living and dying on everything the man says….he is not good at bullshitting he will tell you what he feels no matter how stupid we think it is…..so tune it out if you dont like it………and its not like the guy is going around having sit down interviews with katie couric people keep asking him questions……..i frankly dont give two shits about lin or last year im ready for this year

      Bruno Almeida:
      “Frankly, Melo just needs to stop talking and play because he is making it harder and harder on himself next season saying all these things. If the Knicks underachieve all of this will come back to haunt him. I am rooting for Melo and the Knicks.”

      this.

      just stop talking, for god’s sake.

    10. er

      honestly why do you care? do you know dantoni or something i dont care if he ever talks to him again. I care about making noise this year.

      And explain what hes doing to “make it harder”

      knicknyk: Your completely dismissing the point. It isn’t about blaming somebody (anybody) it is about making stuff up. This isn’t the first time Melo has been caught making stuff up. After MDA quit Melo said that he would call him at the end of the week or something along those lines. However it was reported that the first time that Melo and MDA spoke was at the Olympics when Melo was in an elevator and MDA walked in. Melo said it could have been awkward but it wasn’t and they talked in the elevator and moved on. Another situation when Melo’s camp said he was the one who vouched for Lin to play. MDA also denied that, and ESPN played a recording of Glen Grunwald who confirmed that the decision was made between Grunwald and Dantoni as a final test for Lin because they were going to trade him to Toronto for Mike James. I have no problem with “player speak” and the NBA is a business so I “don’t hate the player I hate the game” so to speak. But it just isn’t a good look when he is trying to front like it was because of/during Lin’s meteoric rise that everyone started to call him selfish which isn’t the case. Frankly, Melo just needs to stop talking and play because he is making it harder and harder on himself next season saying all these things. If the Knicks underachieve all of this will come back to haunt him. I am rooting for Melo and the Knicks.

    11. Bruno Almeida

      er:
      you people need to stop living and dying on everything the man says….he is not good at bullshitting he will tell you what he feels no matter how stupid we think it is…..so tune it out if you dont like it………and its not like the guy is going around having sit down interviews with katie couric people keep asking him questions……..i frankly dont give two shits about lin or last year im ready for this year

      I’m not living or dying on anything Carmelo Anthony-related, I’m just pointing out that he wants to be a leader, while obviously lacking most leadership skills.

      anyway, he’s been playing well for team USA and I hope he does as well on the Knicks.

    12. er

      Im sorry for being a little belligerent iam just over the whole melo drove lin away, i miss lin, melo said this, melo said that…….i miss the old days when bball players played and we watched and thats all….i dont care about the ancillary things i just want to win.

      he is not the best leader i agree…….the only thing he wants to do is play ball from what i see. This season last season he tried to embrace the role more i felt from mid court huddles etc….i also think the dantoni thing is way overblown….it just didnt work out with two bull headed ppl. This season i expect big things from him stat tyson etc

      go knicks

      Bruno Almeida: I’m not living or dying on anything Carmelo Anthony-related, I’m just pointing out that he wants to be a leader, while obviously lacking most leadership skills.

      anyway, he’s been playing well for team USA and I hope he does as well on the Knicks.

    13. sidestep

      What Melo said about blame not falling on Amar’e, well it seems many ppl accept that Amare’s best years may be behind him, whereas we still think Melo may have his best year yet. (Coming off the Olympics, Melo will certainly be in shape entering training camp, unlike last year.) It’s not just about whose team it is, whatever that means.

      The division race will be interesting. Boston has a stronger roster than last season.

    14. knicknyk

      er:
      you people need to stop living and dying on everything the man says….he is not good at bullshitting he will tell you what he feels no matter how stupid we think it is…..so tune it out if you dont like it………and its not like the guy is going around having sit down interviews with katie couric people keep asking him questions……..i frankly dont give two shits about lin or last year im ready for this year

      Lol. You are putting words in my mouth. When did I ever say I live and die based on what Melo says. And I am definitely excited for next year but you are being naive to think that the events of last year won’t be brought back up this upcoming season. But whatever we will see soon enough. But I stand by my point he just needs to stop talking and play.

    15. knicknyk

      sidestep:
      What Melo said about blame not falling on Amar’e, well it seems many ppl accept that Amare’s best years may be behind him, whereas we still think Melo may have his best year yet. (Coming off the Olympics, Melo will certainly be in shape entering training camp, unlike last year.) It’s not just about whose team it is, whatever that means.

      The division race will be interesting. Boston has a stronger roster than last season.

      Amare’s best years may be behind him but I still think that he can be highly productive next season. I feel like a lot of our success depends on him getting back to form. And you are right Boston and Miami I think are the Knicks two biggest competition.

    16. er

      lol yes you miss my last post

      knicknyk: Lol. You are putting words in my mouth. When did I ever say I live and die based on what Melo says. And I am definitely excited for next year but you are being naive to think that the events of last year won’t be brought back up this upcoming season. But whatever we will see soon enough. But I stand by my point he just needs to stop talking and play.

    17. jon abbey

      D’Antoni is the one who quit on the team, way before Melo.
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    18. AvonBarksdale

      stat can still do something, he can be our most efficient player based on his ability to draw many fouls in the paint and felton is back. he was hitting 15 foot shots in the playoffs when they got him the ball, before he got frustrated and punched the glass cause of his inability to be truly integrated into the offense. coaching issues are bigger than anything, i’m still concerned that mr. potato head believes in jr smith too much. also i agree we can stop talking about last year..thoughts on likelihood of the birdman signing for the vets min? i haven’t read any news on kenyon martin signing so i don’t know if anyone has any news

    19. AvonBarksdale

      @jon abbey he never quit on his “system” though, and to him that was the best thing for the team, in his warped imagination everyone doing exactly the best thing for his system was always the only way…which was inadvertently quitting then actually quitting came after melo quit, and woodson probably had his hungry hungry eyes all over the coaching position.

    20. er

      eff his system

      AvonBarksdale:
      @jon abbey he never quit on his “system” though, and to him that was the best thing for the team, in his warped imagination everyone doing exactly the best thing for his system was always the only way…which was inadvertently quitting then actually quitting came after melo quit, and woodson probably had his hungry hungry eyes all over the coaching position.

    21. Bruno Almeida

      jon abbey:
      D’Antoni is the one who quit on the team, way before Melo.
      D’Antoni is the one who quit on the team, way before Melo.
      D’Antoni is the one who quit on the team, way before Melo.

      and how exactly does that justify Carmelo’s actions?

    22. Unreason

      Does anyone know why Prigioni didn’t start or play much in Argentina’s last game vs Nigeria?

    23. massive

      http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/23081/j-r-nyk-has-talent-to-win-title

      From the article:

      Smith believes the moves the Knicks made in the offseason give them enough talent to “compete with anybody.”

      “It’s just a matter of us being smart with our talents and making the right plays,” Smith said.

      If JR Smith is talking about playing smart basketball, we might have a hell of a ball player on our team for $2.8 million. But clearly the confidence is there with this team. The way they’re talking, we better at least get to the ECFs, or else they’ll hear it all offseason long from the media.

    24. jon abbey

      Bruno Almeida: and how exactly does that justify Carmelo’s actions?

      well, whatever you feel that his actions were, NY ended up with a better coach for the personnel, and one can’t be much more about team than that.

      D’Antoni was the selfish and inflexible one here, and it amazes me there’s still anyone out there who can’t see that.

    25. hoolahoop

      massive: You said that you want to be a Nets fan) and that Carmelo is helping you let go of the Knicks), as if they’re doing any better than us. You hate Carmelo Anthony’s contract? How about the 80 or so million dollars they owe Joe Johnson. The $40 million they owe Gerald Wallace, or the 5 year max deal they just gave D-Will who came off his worst year and a half since his rookie season. (check BK ref and thenbageek.com if you don’t believe me)

      1 – I never said I was switching to become a Nets fan. I said melo makes it easier for me to detach myself from the knicks, and I look forward to watching, and rooting, for the Nets this season. I’ve probably been a knicks fan long before you were born and may have been to more games at the garden – and the old garden, that you’ve seen on tv. Don’t tell me how to be a fan.
      2- it’s not melo’s contract that I dislike. It’s his egotistical attitude. His idea that he can do it all alone because of his false over-confidence. It’s his refusal to play a team concept style of moving the ball and playing tough, hard nosed defense.

      Defending melo by calling me a troll doesn’t make melo stop being a ball stopper. “sticky fingers” as coach Karl put it. “learning to trust his teammates” and Magic Johnson put it. I guess they’re trolls, too.

      That’s his style and that’s all he knows, but that doesn’t change the underachieving results. As a fan, I demand 100% effort and playing smart winning basketball. If all fans were like that, the knicks would have a better team now.

    26. massive

      @31, You assume that I’m defending Melo. I could care less about how you feel about him, or his style of play. I, too, don’t like when he stops the ball and think he should play more like Kevin Durant (off the ball, shooting over screens, transition baskets, etc). It’s okay to not like the way he plays; it’s not conducive to winning. I understand that. But when you come to this website and talk about the same negative things (like how the team is doomed so long as Carmelo Anthony is here), and make comments that aren’t very well backed (the one about Carmelo not passing to cutters is the most recent example), you don’t contribute to constructive discussion and come across as a troll.

      And when did I tell you how to be a fan? I could care less if you’ve been a fan for decades or if you’ve been a fan since Melo got here. I’m just informing you that your posts are antagonizing and argumentative, not constructive (nor do they differentiate from each other very much). That makes you a troll to me.

    27. hoolahoop

      massive: I’m just informing you that your posts are antagonizing and argumentative, not constructive (nor do they differentiate from each other very much). That makes you a troll to me.

      I understand that you fanboys you will not like my comments. Tough shit. Pass the ball.

    28. massive

      hoolahoop: I understand that you fanboys you will not like my comments. Tough shit. Pass the ball.

      lol, now I’m a fanboy. If I’m a fanboy, you’re a troll.

      I’d like to address your “if all fans were like me” point. I call bullshit. Most fans wanted the Knicks to keep Jeremy Lin and almost nobody thinks we made the right move. This fanbase absolutely loved (and still loves) Jeremy Lin. Ownership didn’t care. Please explain why you think “if all fans were like that, the knicks would have a better team now” when we have one of the worst owners in sports.

    29. BigBlueAL

      Its kinda ironic how so many people here hate D’Antoni and love Lin yet if D’Antoni and his gimmick system wasnt the coach Lin would right now still be a Rcoket but he wouldve signed with them for the league minimum instead of for 25 mil.

    30. ruruland

      I find it fascinating how extreme some people’s pov

      I don’t see any reason to “hate” D’Antoni, even though I strongly disagree with his coaching style and overall philosophy. He’s still quite clearly a great coach and his offensive system changed the NBA. That fact that he did not change his team to fit the personnel on it was his decision, and he’s moving on for it, and I think happily so.

      I don’t understand why staunch Lin “lovers” believe people like Z-Man “hate” Lin. To point out Lin’s small sample of games and the idea of diminishing value are imminently fair. It’s odd to me that “Lin” supporters get so defensive when even though those who question his ability understand why letting him go was such a poor decision.

      Not getting into the Melo Amar’e stuff.

    31. knicknyk

      @36

      I actually really liked Dantoni but it was clear that it just wasn’t going to work for him in NY. I watched him do his thing with Nash and Amare with the Suns. It was sad to see him go out that way but everything was for the best and if the reports are true that he maybe interested in teaching College Basketball I wish him well and I think he would thrive there.

      In regards to Zmans post I find that they do not provide enough perspective or detail from what I can remember. A quick example is the statement that he showed a downward statistical trend post All Star Break which isn’t quite true. Not going to get into the nitty gritty details of it.

      In regards to your statement that letting him go was a poor decision. I feel it was a necessary decision. After JR’s comments (which I feel was more of a strategic business move but harsh nonetheless) and Melo’s comments (which were overblown) it was clear that Lin had to leave. Adding Felton with Lin Kidd and Prig would have been a lot of drama with multiple quality point guards on the roster and the NY media would have had a field day with it. I liked Lin the basketball player but by no fault of his own, unfortunately he brought along with him way to much attention and media hype and I think this team is due for a drama-less season with no blockbuster trades and no Linsanity. From a purely basketball perspective (this is where I agree with you that it was a poor decision) I wanted to roll with Lin over Felton, I felt that Lin was a better guard and would live up to the sum of his contract as he grew and improved as a player. I was really excited to see Lin and Melo play together, that 7 game stretch under Woodson was the best knicks basketball I had seen all year (greater than Linsanity and melo’s april) but alas it shall not be. But, the former I think was the necessary decision to make over the latter unfortunately.

    32. slovene knick

      Just read the David Robinson article. Younger generation should read it too. Totally different league, time, place, business, universe.

      I respect younger players taking the incentive and taking what belongs to them….but they lose the aureola in the process.

      I have nothing but respect for Mr. David Robinson and the era he played the game in!

      For me the Knicks today are hard to root for…but to be honest 2002-2009 was waaaay harder.

    33. er

      lol this is what i cant understand…..ppl leaving now with an actual GOOD team but staying with j crawford and steph running the show……..its actually kind of mind numbing

      slovene knick:
      Just read the David Robinson article. Younger generation should read it too. Totally different league, time, place, business, universe.

      I respect younger players taking the incentive and taking what belongs to them….but they lose the aureola in the process.

      I have nothing but respect for Mr. David Robinson and the era he played the game in!

      For me the Knicks today are hard to root for…but to be honest 2002-2009 was waaaay harder.

    34. Eric Chen

      ruruland:
      I don’t understand why staunch Lin “lovers” believe people like Z-Man “hate” Lin. To point out Lin’s small sample of games and the idea of diminishing value are imminently fair. It’s odd to me that “Lin” supporters get so defensive when even though those who question his ability understand why letting him go was such a poor decision.

      I agree some fans swing too far when objecting to reasonable views why not matching Lin was acceptable. Lin inspired an exceptional emotional connection with fans with what he did and how he did it. He’s hope for next season personified. And, it’s the nature of on-line debates that people argue against the poles even when responding to nuanced arguments.

      I disagree with Z-man with how he sets his floor and ceiling for Lin. Z-man pegs Lin as just as likely to be a flash in the pan who regresses to waiver-wire wannabe as a quickly developing proto-Nash. Whereas I believe, with his sample size last season, Lin consistently did well enough against teams up to mid-level play-off caliber to show he’s reliably an above-average PG now. If his PG development gets stuck, his plateau outlook is Ginobili/Harden-type combo guard. In the unlikely event Lin regresses, the worst he will be is a better version of the Mavs Barea. His ceiling, of course, is Nash. Whether floor, plateau, or ceiling version, Lin would have been a key ingredient in a deep Knicks play-off run. Even if Lin’s ball-handling is stuck, Woodson’s system and Kidd would have mitigated it versus elite defenses while holding onto Lin’s game-changing potential.

      So, the Knicks big mistake is losing Lin without plausibly replacing the ingredient he represented. If the Knicks had added another scoring, playmaking type of guard to replace him, losing Lin would have made more sense. Felton isn’t that type of game changer.

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