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Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Apr 21 2013)

  • [New York Times] Roundup: Late Layup From Miller Lifts Denver Over Warriors (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:00:37 GMT)
    Andre Miller scored 28 points and sank a layup with 1.3 seconds left that lifted the Nuggets to a 97-95 victory over the Golden State Warriors.    

  • [New York Times] Clippers Beat Grizzlies 112-91 in Playoff Opener (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:44:44 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Clippers played above the rim, not enough to live up to their Lob City moniker but enough to beat Memphis at its own rebounding game.    

  • [New York Times] Nets vs. Bulls (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 04:08:54 GMT)
    The Nets beat the Chicago Bulls, 106-89, in Game 1 of their playoff series.    

  • [New York Times] Game 1: Nets 106, Bulls 89: Nets Beat Bulls in Opener of Playoff Series (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 03:28:00 GMT)
    The Nets jumped out to an early lead and dominated the Bulls as their pregame party became a nightlong event.    

  • [New York Times] Nets Crush Bulls in First Playoff Game in Brooklyn (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 02:44:55 GMT)
    The Brooklyn blackout was a blowout.    

  • [New York Times] Miller Leads Nuggets Past Warriors 97-95 (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 02:20:51 GMT)
    Andre Miller filled a gaping hole in his basketball resume Saturday.    

  • [New York Times] With Tyson Chandler Struggling, Kenyon Martin Steps in to Help Knicks (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 02:01:10 GMT)
    Kenyon Martin, in his return from a sprained ankle, had a strong second half as Tyson Chandler struggled to find his rhythm in his return from a neck injury.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: From Knicks Fans, Compassion and Old Enmity for Boston (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 01:43:38 GMT)
    After an emotional start to the playoff series between the Knicks and the Celtics, the Madison Square Garden crowd quickly returned to hating their Boston rivals.    

  • [New York Times] Momentary Truce in NY-Boston Rivalry Before Game One (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 00:50:23 GMT)
    The bitter New York-Boston sports rivalry, dating back nearly 100 years, observed a momentary truce before the start of Saturday’s NBA playoffs opener between the New York Knicks and the visiting Boston Celtics.    

  • [New York Times] Veterans Kidd, Martin Help Lift Knicks to Victory (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 00:47:24 GMT)
    NBA scoring champion Carmelo Anthony led with 36 points but veterans Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin helped spark the New York Knicks to an 85-78 win over the Boston Celtics in Saturday’s postseason opener.    

  • [New York Times] Game 1: Knicks 85, Celtics 78: Knicks Beat Celtics in Game 1 (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 00:34:27 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony scored 36 points to lead the Knicks to a victory in their first Game 1 playoff contest at home in 12 years.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks vs. Celtics (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 00:01:17 GMT)
    Led by Carmelo Anthony, the Knicks defeated the Celtics in Game 1 at Madison Square Garden.    

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ gritty defense preserves Game 1 win (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:12:23 -0500)
    There will be nights, of course, when Carmelo Anthony will not be able to shake off a mortal’s shooting night and close the show and protect his howling house, and on those nights, you better have a backup plan, and the best backup plan is to play De-fense the…

  • [New York Post] K-Mart bails out Chandler (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:13:30 -0500)
    The pass zipped from Carmelo Anthony to Kenyon Martin down low with 40.6 seconds left. Martin was wide open near the hoop. Anthony’s pass, however, was thrown high.
    “Terrible pass,â? Martin said afterward, good-naturedly. “Melo said thanks for bailing him out.â?
    Indeed, Martin hauled in Anthony’s high…

  • [New York Post] Ageless Kidd sparkles (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:12:41 -0500)
    Jason Kidd’s son T.J. may have said it best.
    “He’s still got it,â? the younger Kidd said outside the Knicks locker room Saturday.
    A month ago, Jason turned 40. A month from now, his team might still be playing in the postseason in part because of him…

  • [New York Post] Anthony, Knicks clamp down on Celtics late in playoff-opening victory at Garden (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:11:58 -0500)
    “De-fense!”
    It was better than it ever was yesterday in crunch time of a Knicks playoff game.
    If this was the start of a genuine Knicks championship run, it began with De-fense and a historic performance. Coach Mike Woodson’s Knicks suffocated the Celtics in the final two periods, picking…

  • [New York Post] After rough few days, Celtics turn attention back to hoops (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:12:55 -0500)
    Knicks star Carmelo Anthony had just addressed the Madison Square Garden crowd about support for the city of Boston after the tragic Marathon bombing and subsequent harrowing events. Celtics star Paul Pierce took the microphone.
    Initially, some fans saw only “Bostonâ? in their minds and New Yorkers, being New Yorkers…

  • [New York Post] At right moment, Anthony summons ghosts of MSG past (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:13:19 -0500)
    The Ball splashed cleanly through the twine, and Paul Pierce shook his fist, and with that arrived the kind of silence that hadn’t visited Madison Square Garden for a basketball game in years.
    The Garden has seen awful basketball in that time, woeful basketball, banana peels strewn everywhere, meaningless…

  • [New York Post] Knicks â??D’ forces Green to crumble after red-hot half (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:13:41 -0500)
    For 24 minutes, it looked like Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish had walked through the door for the Celtics. The trio apparently came back disguised as Jeff Green who had 20 points by halftime.
    Then in the second half, it looked like the Celtics had Eric Montross, Jerome…

  • [New York Post] Woodson says Prigioni should be ready for Game 2 (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:13:07 -0500)
    Knicks coach Mike Woodson said if yesterday had been a Game 7, starting guard Pablo Prigioni likely would have suited up on his balky right ankle in the first-round playoff opener against the Celtics.
    Woodson said he believes Prigioni will be ready for Game 2 on Tuesday and for the…

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Woodson is NBA Coach of Last Year-and-a-Half (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:31:38 GMT)
    Mike Woodson won’t win Coach of the Year in the NBA this season even if nobody in the league has done a better job than he has, not Gregg Popovich, the best there is, not Erik Spoelstra, who has the best player, not even George Karl, who has a better team now in Denver than he did when he had Carmelo Anthony, who officially became the best scorer in the league this season.    

  • [New York Daily News] Kenyon and Kidd help make win Net result (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 03:43:49 GMT)
    Call them the New York Knets, the old starring duo from New Jersey now filling invaluable supportive roles for the Knicks a decade later.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: To defending champs, Knicks must look like chumps (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 03:31:30 GMT)
    They must have been having a good laugh down in Miami on Saturday and not just at what the team in green was doing at the Garden in what has to rank as one of the all-time low points for a very proud Boston Celtics franchise.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Knicks D reminiscent of Riley, Van Gundy days (Sun, 21 Apr 2013 03:22:55 GMT)
    There was so much to remember about the afternoon, especially the play that closed out the Boston Celtics for good, the pass that Carmelo Anthony made to Kenyon Martin in the last minute, Martin getting offense in a Game 1 that he had helped change so much with defense.    

  • 59 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Apr 21 2013)

    1. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Damn, Chris Paul’s defense got exposed by that Memphis playoff D yesterday. But on the plus side, he had a .584 WS48 with a TS% somewhere in the mid-eights. Grind Chris Paul, win the series.

      Also, if Carmelo Anthony plays as well as he did yesterday, the Knicks could go to the Finals. Holding out hope for your mancrush, ruru…

    2. massive

      We need 18-5 Tyson Chandler back and soon. Actually, the 60 boards in 3 games Tyson Chandler would be just as useful right now. Irrational or not, I want to beat the Heat this season, and that does not happen without the best Tyson Chandler the NBA has ever seen. K-Mart will do a great job filling in for Tyson off the bench, and it’s the playoffs, so Tyson can’t hold back any longer. Once Tyson gets healthy, that 2nd half Knicks defense could be our regular 48 minute defense. I miss the dominance that was T-1000, and don’t get me started on what used to be 21 Shump Street. I just want 2 of my favorite Knicks back.

      But what was really encouraging is that this team was able to win one with a terrible Tyson for 20 minutes and no Tyson for the other 28. It’s also encouraging that nobody can legitimately stop Carmelo Anthony. Knicks win this one in 5 without our defensive standouts, but those guys are more than necessary for mid-late May.

    3. Z-man

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Damn, Chris Paul’s defense got exposed by that Memphis playoff D yesterday. But on the plus side, he had a .584 WS48 with a TS% somewhere in the mid-eights. Grind Chris Paul, win the series.

      Also, if Carmelo Anthony plays as well as he did yesterday, the Knicks could go to the Finals. Holding out hope for your mancrush, ruru…

      Funny, watching the game I thought that Melo had a mediocre shooting game, but he had a TS% of 57 at a 41% usage.

      On the other hand, I thought JR had a net positive impact on the game despite some wide-open misses. His dunk and scoop shot that put Garnett in foul trouble seemed to give the team and the crowd a lift. However, he had a negative WS48. Weird.

      I guess that advanced stats totally ignore the human/emotional side of the game.

    4. flossy

      Rudy Gay ain’t all that, but if the Grizzlies don’t get more than 2 points out of Tayshaun Prince in playoff games, they are going to start having second thoughts.

    5. er

      flossy:
      Rudy Gay ain’t all that, but if the Grizzlies don’t get more than 2 points out of Tayshaun Prince in playoff games, they are going to start having second thoughts.

      Yea the addition of j Crawford and co. And the subtraction of gay will make this series shorter than last years version

    6. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      er: Yea the addition of j Crawford and co. And the subtraction of gay will make this series shorter than last years version

      You mean Matt Barnes? Because Matt Barnes is a much better basketball player than Crawford is or ever has been.

      Rudy Gay was not very good in last year’s series, either. He took 114 shots and had a .439 eFG%. That is not good. He had 10 assists over 270 minutes, too. Really, dude: Rudy Gay is not a max player. I don’t even know if I’d want him to be a MLE player if he’s going to shoot the poorly at that volume.

    7. stratomatic

      I think this series is basically over. The Celtics best and possibly only chance of winning this series was to steal game 1 with Prigioni out and Chandler and Martin possibly less than 100%. People thinking this was going to be a tough series are living in the past. This Celtics are not any good. Pierce and Garnett are not what they used to be and they no longer have Rondo and Allen. The only reason they are even in the playoffs is that outside of Miami, NY, BRK, and Indiana the east totally sucks. A couple of those teams may not have even made the playoffs out west had they had to play the tougher schedule out west.

      The Knicks are supposed to make the conference finals in the east. It’s not a lock, but they are the 2nd best team in the east. If they were in the west, it would be a different story. Out there they might be 6th seed.

    8. stratomatic

      IMO, Rudy Gay is the most overrated player in the NBA.

      What does he even bring to the table?

      He’s a below average efficiency volume scorer whose average at everything else for his position. Maybe he had some use on a team like Memphis because they’ve had a couple of other low usage defensive specialists playing key roles that create a lot of value in other ways. You need sufficient scoring along side guys like that to be competitive, but you could do better than Gay for half the price.

      He’s monumentally useless in Toronto. They already had scorers in Toronto. All a guy like Gay is going to do in Toronto is take a lot of shots away from alternatives that are probably equal or superior.

      Gay should count his blessings that he’s getting paid so much because as soon as the league figures out how overpaid players like him are he’ll be on a bench somewhere playing 6th man.

    9. Kurt

      Because of my Sabbath couldn’t see the game live. But based on what I’ve seen, it looks like everything the Celtics could’ve wanted went for them, with a disjointed Knicks offense and an ineffective Chandler.

      I think an underrated factor was Prig’s absence. I’m sure you all know that he was in the starting lineup for the Knicks’ streak. Having a second point guard in the starting lineup really helps with spacing and ball movement. I think if Prigs comes back for game 2 it’ll really help the Knicks offense, even more so than a Chandler back in game shape.

      One larger point: I was watching the Clips game last night, and I think its no coincidence that their best play was early in the season when Billups was around and how well they were playing with Billups in the lineup.

      Also notice that the Knicks’ great beginning was with Kidd in the starting lineup before he got worn down and that, as I mentioned, their streak came with Prigs as the second point guard.

      I think that, eventually, elite teams are going to have two point guards in the lineup, or at least an unselfish combo guard in the lineup at the 2. With elite defenses nowadays focused on loading the strong side and over-dribbling becomes even less efficient, having a second guard who helps with ball movement who can also hit the 3 will be very crucial to elite offenses.

    10. Z-man

      stratomatic:
      I think this series is basically over.The Celtics best and possibly only chance of winning this series was to steal game 1 with Prigioni out and Chandler and Martin possibly less than 100%. People thinking this was going to be a tough series are living in the past.This Celtics are not any good.Pierce and Garnett are not what they used to be and they no longer have Rondo and Allen. The only reason they are even in the playoffs is that outside of Miami, NY, BRK, and Indiana the east totally sucks.A couple of those teams may not have even made the playoffs out west had they had to play the tougher schedule out west.

      The Knicks are supposed to make the conference finals in the east.It’s not a lock, but they are the 2nd best team in the east. If they were in the west, it would be a different story. Out there they might be 6th seed.

      I hear you, but I’m not assuming anything. If the Celts win game 2, they take home court advantage and we are in for a long, grueling series. And you know they will use every dirty trick in the book to try to get a psychological advantage. Watch out for Garnett’s knees and elbows as we go forward. He threw another of his patented dirty screens yesterday that didn’t get called.

      Yes, we should be prohibitive favorites now, but I’m not looking ahead, and I hope the Knicks aren’t either.

    11. ess-dog

      It’s almost unfair that we get a fresh-legged Kmart for the playoffs. He’s a much smarter player than I ever knew.

      JR is the one who is going to make or break us.

    12. Z-man

      ess-dog: JR is the one who is going to make or break us.

      Yesterday, JR had one of his “break us” games, but we survived it. He did have some critical good plays though!

    13. stratomatic

      Kurt:

      I think that, eventually, elite teams are going to have two point guards in the lineup, or at least an unselfish combo guard in the lineup at the 2. With elite defenses nowadays focused on loading the strong side and over-dribbling becomes even less efficient, having a second guard who helps with ball movement who can also hit the 3 will be very crucial to elite offenses.

      I agree with is.

      On many models, traditional shooting guards add the least value to a team. Most of them are pure scorers and floor spacers that don’t do anything else at a value added level .

      If you can find a PG that can shoot the 3 and also defend the position, he’ll add extra value at SG because of the incremental play making.

      I think this trend is just beginning.

      It’s a kind of evolution in the position similar to what took place at PF when D’Antoni demonstrated the value of having a PF that could hit the 3 and space the floor, creating extra room inside for the P&R big man and slashers.

    14. ess-dog

      Yeah, I more meant eventually against the Heat (no jinx.)
      The Celtics look really done, aside from Jeff Green who looks revitalized.
      It’s too bad they get to rest until Tuesday!

      Z-man: Yesterday, JR had one of his “break us” games, but we survived it. He did have some critical good plays though!

    15. ess-dog

      I know, this is making David Kahn look smart, trying to start 2 point guards… he just drafted a really bad one. It seems like a lot of people are imitating that now, including the Knicks.

      stratomatic: I agree with is.

      On many models, traditional shooting guards add the least value to a team. Most of them are pure scorers and floor spacers that don’t do anything else at a value added level .

      If you can find a PG that can shoot the 3 and also defend the position, he’ll add extra value at SG because of the incremental play making.

      I think this trend is just beginning.

      It’s a kind of evolution in the position similar to what took place at PF when D’Antoni demonstrated the value of having a PF that could hit the 3 and space the floor, creating extra room inside for the P&R big man and slashers.

    16. stratomatic

      ess-dog:
      It’s almost unfair that we get a fresh-legged Kmart for the playoffs. He’s a much smarter player than I ever knew.

      JR is the one who is going to make or break us.

      The Knicks entire offense is built around Melo and to a lesser extent JR. IMO, that’s a mildly uncomfortable position to be in because if Melo goes down, gets locked down by an elite defender/defensive scheme, turns into “bad shot Melo” we are screwed on offense. Same with JR.

      When we built this team we surrounded Melo with many low usage specialists on defense, from 3 etc… If he’s not scoring, the Knicks can’t score. We don’t have solid efficiency players that could easily pick up the slack taking extra shots and keep their efficiency intact. Many Knicks have very limited skill sets.

      Amare is not the same player he once was, but I’d feel WAY better if he could come back in the same form he displayed earlier this year. Then we’d have a high efficiency volume scorer coming off the bench or to play in case Melo gets hurt. Amare was not 100%, but he was still scoring at a very high level.

    17. Kurt

      Ess-dog
      I think it depends on the point guards and the offensive style. I think it ends up looking stupid when the two point guards involved are ball dominant and need the ball to be productive, especially when one or both of them aren’t good spot up shooters. That was the problem with BOTH Flynn and Rubio. Neither of them could spot up shoot, and both are ball dominant, making his case not applicable.

      Billups and Paul are both great shooters and can play off the ball while still capable of running pick and rolls, the same for Felton/Prigs. Kidd can’t run regular pick and roll anymore but he’s great spot up shooter and runs the ball movement without much dribbling.

    18. Juany8

      One issue you guys are overlooking when discussing 2 PG lineups is the diminishing values you get for the price you have to pay. Players who can run an offense, make 3’s, and defend either guard position make the all star team, even if they’re not spectacular at anything (see Jrue Holiday) The only way it really works is if you have a pretty good backup for around the MLE or on a rookie contract, so teams like the Clippers, Knicks, Nuggets, and Warriors pull it off, but you’re not going to sign Rose and Chris Paul to play next to each other, even if it would theoretically be an awesome backcourt. Rose can reasonably defend the 2, shoot 3’s, and do some great playmaking, but they can’t both have the ball at the same time, and you’d be paying an awful lot of money for a mediocre defender at the 2 guard who has never actually shot many corner 3’s in his career. The ideal is guys like Harden, Kevin Martin, or Klay Thompson, guys who can run a side pick and roll and make a play when they get the ball, but who are also amazing off the ball and shooting 3’s. If they’re also an awesome primary option, like Harden, you give them max contracts.

      Otherwise you’d be paying premium money for guys that are unfortunately not going to maximize each other’s talents. You’d be better off spending that money on interior defense. Teams that happen to have those good backups will continue to feature those kinds of lineups, but you’re not going to see a team pay $10+ million for 2 guys that are going to have a hard time guarding players like Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, and James Harden. Size still matters far too much in the NBA

    19. Brian Cronin

      For the third year in a row, Game 1 fell on a day I had to go to a party with my wife. At least this year someone had it on on a TV. Last year we visited friends who got rid of their cable, so I couldn’t even watch the game at all (the previous year I was surreptitiously watching the game on my phone).

      Yay win!

    20. stratomatic

      I agree. The point behind playing 2 PGs together is try to find one with the outside shooting skill of a traditional SG that adds value to the position due to superior play making skills. You don’t want to indiscriminately combine PGs that don’t compliment each other, can’t shoot, or that you’d have to pay premium dollars for. You’d wind up getting less overall value than if you went traditional.

    21. Brian Cronin

      He must be a miserable prick….I just don’t get that guy

      I agree. He is bizarre. He’s hated the Knicks ever since he started covering them. I think he figures that that is his angle. The anti-homer, as it were. It was annoying then and it is annoying now.

    22. stratomatic

      I said in another thread I thought the best part of the interview with Dean Oliver was when he talked about team construction. That’s the major flaw on all linear models. They do all do a decent job of capturing major portions of player value in a static state (except PER which overrates volume scoring), but they can’t identify how some players can have a lot of value to one team (Melo and JR to the Knicks) but much lower value on another team. The Knicks are built for Melo. Put Melo on a team with a few other scorers and he’s barely EV+ to that team.

    23. massive

      Off topic, but for every Jets fan on this board who hasn’t heard, we just traded Revis to the Bucs. The only certain pick is the 2013 first. Great time to be a Knicks fan, but horrible time for Jets fans.

      And David Lee is out for the rest of the year with a torn hip flexor. Denver just caught a HUGE break.

    24. flossy

      Kurt: I think it depends on the point guards and the offensive style. I think it ends up looking stupid when the two point guards involved are ball dominant and need the ball to be productive, especially when one or both of them aren’t good spot up shooters. That was the problem with BOTH Flynn and Rubio. Neither of them could spot up shoot, and both are ball dominant, making his case not applicable.

      I agree, although the other problem with the pairing you mention is that Jonny Flynn is goddamn terrible at basketball.

    25. flossy

      stratomatic: Amare is not the same player he once was, but I’d feel WAY better if he could come back in the same form he displayed earlier this year. Then we’d have a high efficiency volume scorer coming off the bench or to play in case Melo gets hurt. Amare was not 100%, but he was still scoring at a very high level.

      Novak and Copeland got 20 minutes between them yesterday and contributed absolutely nothing. I know he can’t shoot 3s, but no one can tell me that the Knicks wouldn’t have been better off with Amar’e for 20 minutes–someone who can create his own high-efficiency shots and is also great off the ball, cutting to the rim when the defense overloads the strong side.

    26. Brian Cronin

      And David Lee is out for the rest of the year with a torn hip flexor. Denver just caught a HUGE break.

      Dang. It is funny, that series went from having three former Knick starters (Gallo, WC and Lee) to ONE very quickly.

      Get well soon, D-Lee.

    27. jon abbey

      Lee looked like he was hurt all game to me, then he obviously got hurt way worse at the end. he looked really overmatched while he was in there, though.

    28. ruruland

      stratomatic:
      I said in another thread I thought the best part of the interview with Dean Oliver was when he talked about team construction. That’s the major flaw on all linear models. They do all do a decent job of capturing major portions of player value in a static state (except PER which overrates volume scoring), but they can’t identify how some players can have a lot of value to one team (Melo and JR to the Knicks) but much lower value on another team.The Knicks are built for Melo. Put Melo on a team with a few other scorers and he’s barely EV+ to that team.

      Only if Melo didn’t recalibrate his game, which he’s fully capable of doing.

      That scenario is likely to happen in a couple years, at which point Melo becomes more Team USA, committing more energy to defense and offensive rebounding.

      We’ve had this discussion many times the last few years. BTW, it would be foolish to presume that’s what Oliver thinks.

      Wonder when we talk about the series again. Anyone re-watch?

    29. Kurt

      Juany8:
      You raise a very good point, but, even if Prigs hadn’t been a rookie, he wouldn’t be close to a max player. I don’t remember Billups’ salary, but I’m sure its not much at this point in his career. Same with Jason Kidd and Felton.

      With Rose, his extra cost comes from his otherworldly athleticism and his ability to create his own shop and offense for an otherwise offensively challenged team. Also, he was very ball dominant, which, again, would not fit into such a blend.

      If the second guard is able to run a pick and roll, shoot from 3, and move the ball (like Prigs or Billups) that doesn’t mean that he’d get a max salary.

      Considering the way NBA defenses are constructed now, I don’t think a point guard who controls everything is really that desirable anyway, especially considering the cost that such ability creates. I think that’s why the Celtics offensive efficiency changed little after Rondo went down. They replaced his ball dominance with greater ball movement. It would’ve worked more if they had any sort of point guard other than Bradley.

    30. er

      Lmao if Melo or chandler reacted like Duncan….not only would they got a tech….they probably would have been ejected

    31. er

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: You mean Matt Barnes? Because Matt Barnes is a much better basketball player than Crawford is or ever has been.

      Rudy Gay was not very good in last year’s series, either. He took 114 shots and had a .439 eFG%. That is not good. He had 10 assists over 270 minutes, too. Really, dude: Rudy Gay is not a max player. I don’t even know if I’d want him to be a MLE player if he’s going to shoot the poorly at that volume.

      I said Crawford and co. That includes Barnes. And with the grizzlies I meant to include mayo as well

    32. d-mar

      I don’t know why everyone on this board (prior thread) is talking about a Miami-Nets series like it’s a foregone conclusion. The Bulls played some of their worst defense of the season in game 1, and there’s no way that happens in game 2. Thibodeau will come up with a strategy to slow down D-Will and the Bulls will figure out a way to win game 2.

      And I’m convinced it will go 7 games, with a tossup as to who takes that one. Neither team is really all that good.

    33. jon abbey

      because most people seem to have no capacity to remember anything longer than what happened in the last week, and they think that winning game 1 at home (in any series) means way more than it does. again, the truism that playoff series don’t really start until the road team wins a game can’t be repeated enough.

    34. Z-man

      jon abbey:
      because most people seem to have no capacity to remember anything longer than what happened in the last week, and they think that winning game 1 at home (in any series) means way more than it does. again, the truism that playoff series don’t really start until the road team wins a game can’t be repeated enough.

      I’m with you, jon. One game at a time. I must admit though, I will be much less stressed if we win this series. Anything after that, I could at least deal with.

    35. ephus

      As one of the people assuming that the Nets are going to roll into the next round, the key for me is the revival of Deron Williams. If (as it appears) he has returned to his 2009-10 level, the Nets are too much for the Bulls without Derrick Rose. There is only one player on the Bulls who can initiate his own offense, and Deron Williams can dominate Nate Robinson thoroughly on the other end of the court.

    36. Will the Thrill

      78% of teams who win the first game of the series go on to win the series. I think I read that today.

      jon abbey:
      because most people seem to have no capacity to remember anything longer than what happened in the last week, and they think that winning game 1 at home (in any series) means way more than it does. again, the truism that playoff series don’t really start until the road team wins a game can’t be repeated enough.

    37. Z-man

      Yeah, but that is irrelevant, you have to eliminate all of the series where there is a huge disparity, such as this year’s Miami-Milwaukee. In series where the odds are close going in, I bet it’s more like 60-40 or 65-35.

    38. jon abbey

      Will the Thrill:
      78% of teams who win the first game of the series go on to win the series. I think I read that today.

      yes, and 76% of teams with home court advantage going in win. see my point?

    39. Juany8

      Kurt:
      Juany8:
      You raise a very good point, but, even if Prigs hadn’t been a rookie, he wouldn’t be close to a max player. I don’t remember Billups’ salary, but I’m sure its not much at this point in his career. Same with Jason Kidd and Felton.

      With Rose, his extra cost comes from his otherworldly athleticism and his ability to create his own shop and offense for an otherwise offensively challenged team. Also, he was very ball dominant, which, again, would not fit into such a blend.

      If the second guard is able to run a pick and roll, shoot from 3, and move the ball (like Prigs or Billups) that doesn’t mean that he’d get a max salary.

      Considering the way NBA defenses are constructed now, I don’t think a point guard who controls everything is really that desirable anyway, especially considering the cost that such ability creates. I think that’s why the Celtics offensive efficiency changed little after Rondo went down. They replaced his ball dominance with greater ball movement. It would’ve worked more if they had any sort of point guard other than Bradley.

      The problem in that scenario is defense really, not too many teams have a shooting guard that can seriously punish you on offense, but you don’t want Prigs or Billups on Dwyane Wade. That’s what I refereed to when I talked about all stars, players who can do all of those things and defend 2 guards competently are pretty damn rare. It’s kind of like Centers, a lot of teams are going smaller and playing people who would normally be 4’s at the center, and it works on offense and it racks up big differentials, but then you run into Tyson Chandler and you suddenly need a guy who can rebound properly and get in his way. That’s why those kinds of lineups aren’t used long term, even by the Miami Heat, who relented and went back to starting Haslem.

    40. Tony Pena

      That Melo ‘bad pass’ was a great pass. He threw it through Pierce and Bradley, off-the-dribble, with KG and Terry trying to trap him.

    41. jon abbey

      Vecsey is seriously mocking Lin on Twitter, deservedly:

      Peter Vecsey ?@PeterVecsey1 47m

      Lin makes passes that should’ve flunked him out of Harvard. And OKC’s swarming tactics are reminiscent of Miami mauling him as a Knick

      Peter Vecsey ?@PeterVecsey1 26m

      Another terrible pass by Lin on the FB. Lob blocked by rim. I hate to think how badly he would’ve been exposed if not for Harden’s arrival

    42. Brian Cronin

      Wow, of the eight Games 1’s, all but two have been blowouts. And the Knicks’ game was never really in question in the last two minutes, either. Hopefully some of the Games 2’s are closer (just not the Knicks one, of course, I want that one to be a Knicks blowout).

    43. BigBlueAL

      Isola mocking Lin right now, no surprise there. Also love how Isola calls Avery Bradley Average Bradley lol.

    44. jon abbey

      mr.JayP:
      i think charles was right, this is a pretty uneventful and boring first round.

      it’s just one game! if all of the home teams go up 2-0, then there might be some truth there.

    45. max fisher-cohen

      Will the Thrill:
      78% of teams who win the first game of the series go on to win the series. I think I read that today.

      This is one of those stats that’s fun but meaningless. Teams with homecourt advantage also win about 80% of their playoff series. Seeing as home teams play game one at home, the game one statistic.

      There are other ways too. Take two evenly matched teams and give one a one game advantage in a best of seven series, and the game one winner will win 66% of the time. that means that the suggestion the game one stat tries to make — that somehow game one is more of a determining factor than any other game — is overblown. Add in the fact that the team with the better regular season record is always at home during game one, and the stat starts to feel pretty meaningless.

    46. mr.JayP

      jon abbey: it’s just one game! if all of the home teams go up 2-0, then there might be some truth there.

      Do you see any series going 1-1? besides Denver n GSW?

      i dont…

    47. Brian Cronin

      Do you see any series going 1-1? besides Denver n GSW?

      i dont…

      I’m not saying that we won’t see every series 2-0 after Game 2, but I wouldn’t judge the series too much based just on the fact that first game was a blowout in most of the series. Some series were always going to be nearly automatic losses (Milwaukee/Miami, Indiana/Atlanta, Olkahoma City/Houston) but there are plenty of competitive series left. Do you really think the Clippers are just going to blow the Grizzlies out every game? The Lakers beat the Spurs just a week ago, why do you think that the Spurs will automatically blow them out in Game 2? The Celtics actually led the Knicks in the fourth quarter of Game 1. How is it a certainty that the Knicks will win Game 2?

    48. jon abbey

      seriously, it’s like people forget everything about previous seasons. this isn’t the NCAAs, these are seven game series.

    49. Z-man

      jon abbey:
      Vecsey is seriously mocking Lin on Twitter, deservedly:

      Peter Vecsey ?@PeterVecsey1 47m

      Lin makes passes that should’ve flunked him out of Harvard. And OKC’s swarming tactics are reminiscent of Miami mauling him as a Knick

      Peter Vecsey ?@PeterVecsey1 26m

      Another terrible pass by Lin on the FB. Lob blocked by rim. I hate to think how badly he would’ve been exposed if not for Harden’s arrival

      Statistically, Lin has been the 2nd best PG on his team all season, behind the great Patrick Beverley.

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