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Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Apr 14 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] K-Mart: I’ll be ready for playoffs (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 06:21:43 GMT)
    Knicks forward Kenyon Martin, currently nursing a sprained left ankle, pronounced himself a game-time decision for Sunday’s home game against the Indiana Pacers, but would “definitelyâ? be ready for the start of the playoffs, he told the Daily News.    

  • [New York Daily News] Home court at stake against Pacers (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 03:03:01 GMT)
    Game 7 against the Pacers, at the Garden. The Knicks are still miles from that point and who knows if they’ll even get there.    

  • [New York Post] J.R. shares similarities to former Knick (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 03:50:48 -0500)
    John Starks was thrilled when the Knicks signed J.R. Smith before last season. He figured the enigmatic shooting guard could help his former team.
    Soon, elation turned to constant flashbacks, as Smith would begin games bricking jumpers and finish them with game-winning swishes â?? just like Starks used to do…

  • [New York Post] Add a title, add a tattoo (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 03:18:45 -0500)
    J.R. Smith has 100 tattoos, including Yankees and Devils logos.
    If the Knicks break their 40-year championship drought, Smith vowed to add orange-and-blue ink to his body for No. 101.
    Yes, a Knicks tattoo could be coming, even though he is a free agent this summer.
    “If we win…

  • [New York Post] Knicks in position to clinch second seed today (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 03:50:48 -0500)
    There will be no “We’re second seed” or “Bring on Boston” T-shirts hanging in the Knicks’ lockers today at the Garden if things go right.
    But coach Mike Woodson will breathe a sigh of relief.
    The Knicks, proud wearers of newly minted Atlantic Division champion T-shirts, can lock up…

  • [New York Newsday] Jeff Van Gundy thinks Knicks are 'legitimate threat' in Eastern Conference (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:34:00 EDT)
    Jeff Van Gundy will be watching the Knicks in the playoffs with great interest, whether he's calling their games or just sitting in front of a television.

  • [New York Newsday] Carmelo Anthony could be overlooked for All-NBA first team (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:37:30 EDT)
    Carmelo Anthony could lead the league in scoring and finish in the top three in MVP voting and still not make the All-NBA first team.

  • [New York Newsday] Bernard King is a Carmelo Anthony fan (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:40:37 EDT)
    Bernard King, who earned induction into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame last Monday, is an Anthony fan. He was in Atlanta the night Anthony had a chance to duplicate King's 1984 feat of back-to-back 50-point games for the Knicks. Anthony finished with 40.

  • [New York Newsday] NBA orders Iman Shumpert to remove logo from haircut (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:44:43 EDT)
    Iman Shumpert's hairstyle — a high-top fade — has been an attention-getter all season, and last week it got the league's attention.

  • [New York Newsday] Which NBA coaches could be out of jobs by next week? (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:42:00 EDT)
    Some coaches could be looking for jobs late next week after the regular season ends. But there also are some headed to the playoffs who might wind up unemployed.

  • [New York Times] Season Over for Bryant After Achilles Surgery (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 06:32:23 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant has undergone surgery on an injured Achilles tendon and could be sidelined for up to nine months, the Los Angeles Lakers said on Saturday.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Celtics Rout Magic and Clinch No. 7 Seed in East (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 04:17:04 GMT)
    With Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett back in the lineup, Boston made easy work of Orlando. After losing Saturday, the Bucks will be seeded eighth and will face the Heat in the first round.    

  • [New York Times] Clippers Edge Grizzlies 91-87 to Win Season Series (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 02:56:31 GMT)
    Chris Paul hit a free throw with 18.3 seconds left, and the Los Angeles Clippers edged the Memphis Grizzlies 91-87 Saturday night in a preview of a possible first-round playoff series.    

  • [New York Times] Rubio Leads Timberwolves Over Suns, 105-93 (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 02:32:39 GMT)
    Ricky Rubio had a career-high 24 points, 10 assists and five steals, and J.J. Barea scored 16 points to lead the Minnesota Timberwolves to a 105-93 victory over the Phoenix Suns on Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Celtics Lock Up East’s 7th Seed, Rout Magic 120-88 (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 01:47:29 GMT)
    Courtney Lee scored 20 points and Jeff Green added 17 as the Boston Celtics cruised to a 120-88 victory over the Orlando Magic on Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Walker, McRoberts Lead Bobcats Over Bucks, 95-85 (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 01:38:41 GMT)
    Kemba Walker had 21 points, Josh McRoberts nearly had a triple-double and the Charlotte Bobcats handed the Milwaukee Bucks their ninth straight road loss 95-85 Saturday night.    

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Does a Streak Portend Playoff Success? (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:50:24 GMT)
    Quirks of the game: A case can be made that in the N.B.A., more than in football or baseball, long winning streaks are a sign of a championship caliber team.    

  • [New York Times] Lakers’ Kobe Bryant Tears Achilles’ Tendon, Ending His Season (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:32:43 GMT)
    Amid an already tumultuous transition for the Lakers, Kobe Bryant had surgery for his ruptured left Achilles’ tendon and is expected to miss six to nine months.    

  • [New York Times] Keeping Score: Changing Coaches Changed Nets Late in Games (Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:26:04 GMT)
    Avery Johnson was 3-4 in games decided by 5 or fewer points this season, but in P.J. Carlesimo’s first 28 games the Nets were 9-0 in such games, a significant swing.    

  • 128 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Apr 14 2013)

    1. Zanzibar

      Recently, some here have suggested that Melo’s stats may be understated because (1) he doesn’t get as favorable foul calls as other leading players; (2) stats don’t accurately account for the many times where he rebounds his own shot at the rim and puts it right back; and (3) hockey pass sequences are not accounted for at all. I decided to look at the effect of (1) and (2) on TS%. Regarding (1), I assumed Melo was fouled 1 additional time per game played (shooting foul) and he converted the FTs at his 83% average (FGA were reduced by 1 per game played and PTS were adjusted as just described). Regarding (2), I assumed a putback happens once per game and that his FG% should be calculated as 75% for one FGA instead of 50% over two FGAs. Here are the results:

      Baseline TS%(.561) as of 4/14
      (1) Only Revised TS%(.596)
      (2) Only Revised TS%(.574)
      (1) and (2) Revised TS%(.611)

      You may, of course, now do some what-if analysis on my what-if analysis. For example, maybe you believe Melo does not get favorable calls but instead of 1 additional shooting foul/game it’s more like 1 every other game. In that case, his TS% would go from .561 to .579 (versus .596). Similarly, assuming putback sequence happens once every other game, his TS% would go from .561 to .568 (versus .574). Combining these two would give .586 (versus .611).

      Note: I was also curious what Melo’s TS% would be if he shot free throws at 87% instead of 83%. His TS% would be.567 instead of .561.

    2. Juany8

      That’s some pretty interesting analysis Zanzibar, it would be difficult to pinpoint that bias in any major way but it’s definitely something to consider as it would have a dramatic impact.

      On the other hand, I like the idea that me and Jon have have about offensive rebounds, which is to essentially erase both the miss and offensive rebound from offensive calculations. Great offensive rebounders still benefit since they get more easy shots up, and players like Melo, Rose, and Kobe aren’t penalized as much for taking shots that have an excellent chance of being rebounded (last year there was a stat that showed the Bulls rebounded 40% of Rose’s misses if I remember correctly)

      Right now offensive rebounders are getting credit for getting a rebound and putting up an easy shot. They get credit for being highly efficient and great rebounders, when the person who originally took the shot is penalized. It’s a complete distortion of what’s actually happening in game, especially with players like Melo who get to the rim and frequently but pack their own misses (Zach Randolph used to be a monster at this). Until the other team gets the ball back, the offense is still operating in the same possession. The offensive rebound isn’t actually a reset of the offense since the positioning and conditions that existed when the shot took place are still in effect when the shot misses, and the defense has accomplished nothing but wasting time if it can’t get the ball back. Think of it this way, if Felton throws a pass and a defender deflects it out of bounds, you don’t give Felton a turnover and declare a new possession for the offense, even though that scenario leads to an actual reset of what’s happening on the court in ways that offensive rebounds can’t establish. If Felton takes a shot and it’s blocked out of bounds, however, all of the sudden 3 or 4 “events” pop into the box score and Felton is crappy while the defender is awesome. For the EXACT same result.

    3. yellowboy90

      what role does the shot clock play in reseting the possession because the shot clock is sometimes reset after a rebound. the shot clock never resets when the ball is deflected out of bounds. I get your point though.

    4. Juany8

      yellowboy90:
      what role does the shot clock play in reseting the possession because the shot clock is sometimes reset after a rebound. the shot clock never resets when the ball is deflected out of bounds.I get your point though.

      Actually I do think deflections and blocks have value because they disrupt the offense and reduce the available shot clock, but they’d be about the same, and the offense should suffer equal consequences. So if you’re going to assign any value to blocks, you have to assign the same value to deflections. To be fair, NBA teams DO keep track of deflections, as well as all kinds of other interesting information. Wouldn’t be even a tiny bit surprised to find out that the Rockets measure how much of an impact the time on the shot clock has on offensive efficiency.

      My point is simply that the data and metrics freely available for evaluating NBA players are severely flawed, and generally not well thought through. You could actually make every single box score metric better than it undeniably currently is just by adding charges in, which every single person who knows basketball will agree are valuable. So why aren’t they accounted for? Who knows, but it’s hard to take them very seriously until they do.

    5. Z-man

      Juany, so if I understand correctly, you are suggesting a stat for total change in score by the end of the possession per shot attempt. One issue that complicates things are fouls committed in the act of shooting. If a player gets fouled while shooting and makes the shot, it is calculated as a shot attempted and a shot made. However, if a player gets fouled while shooting, it is not calculated as a missed shot. While I understand the logic of not penalizing a player with a missed shot when he gets fouled, statistically it seems weird. How can a shot only be a shot attempt only if it goes in? Either it is or it isn’t.

      It would seem that the points per shot stat would be inflated by this. When you shoot the ball, there is no guarantee that the ref is going to call a foul. Just like with Rose, if 40% of his shots are rebounded, that means that 60% weren’t. When you shoot the ball, there are no guarantees. What % of shot attempts involve fouls that aren’t called, where the shot attempt shouldn’t count and the player has 2 FTs?

    6. jon abbey

      yeah, there’s a million fixes that should be made so that the box scores and the raw data that the allegedly “advanced stats” are based on aren’t gobbledygook. why isn’t a pass that leads directly to a guy getting fouled and two made FTs judged as an assist? why is a forced turnover not credited as a steal if the ball goes out of bounds? why are turnovers always credited to one person (and often the wrong one) when they’re so often the fault of more than one person? etc, etc, etc.

    7. cgreene

      Chandler not playing today. Time to be pretty worried about him. No Chandler 100% no run. Period.

    8. DRed

      I wish we’d signed the birdman. Granted, he’d probably be hurt if we had, but we could really use a guy like him now

    9. mr.JayP

      cgreene:
      Chandler not playing today.Time to be pretty worried about him.No Chandler 100% no run.Period.

      We wont need him till the 2nd round. He can use the first round to shake the rust off.

      So i would def. rest him till he’s close to 100%

    10. d-mar

      cgreene:
      Chandler not playing today.Time to be pretty worried about him.No Chandler 100% no run.Period.

      There’s no reason to play Chandler at all the rest of the season. We only have to win one game to get the 2 seed, which I would assume we could get even if we lose today. It would bring me great joy to kick Indy’s ass, but in the big picture it really doesn’t mean anything.

    11. ruruland

      Bird would have been a better pick-up than Camby, to be sure. But the Knicks will have 5 available bigs in the playoffs. They signed up to start playing in late April.

      Sheed, Camby, Amar’e, Chandler, Martin are all on their way back. I’m guessing they’ll all get minutes in the Boston series, too.

    12. jon abbey

      am I the only one worried that our playoff rotation will have barely played together this season? I guess that’s true for Boston too at least.

    13. DRed

      ruruland:
      Bird would have been a better pick-up than Camby, to be sure. But the Knicks will have 5 available bigs in the playoffs. They signed up to start playing in late April.

      Sheed, Camby, Amar’e, Chandler, Martin are all on their way back. I’m guessing they’ll all get minutes in the Boston series, too.

      You would have been a better pickup than Camby. How’d your interview go? Did I miss your recap somewhere?

    14. mr.JayP

      jon abbey:
      am I the only one worried that our playoff rotation will have barely played together this season? I guess that’s true for Boston too at least.

      im not too worried. The guys coming back arent rookies and arent main pieces. Im sure/hoping the coaching staff has been doing their homework with them tho.

    15. mr.JayP

      i wish this site would have an edit feature.

      Hypothetically, everyone is good to go come 2nd round and we make it. How will the minutes/rotation be set-up?

      Chandler will play 30-35+ min/pg at the 5. same for melo at the 4?

      Where will camby, sheed, martin go? or will melo slide into the 3 for sustained periods in order to keep him fresh?

    16. Hubert Davis

      Damn this team is good. great run w Melo on the bench.

      Great news on Sheed, too.

      And Woodson has dialed back the minutes down the stretch, which was my biggest fear.

      It’s gonna be a great spring.

    17. d-mar

      Is everyone playing golf or watching golf? Incredibly quiet in these parts.

      Indiana on offense just doesn’t scare me very much

    18. hegotgame

      wow. tha bounce pass from kidd was so good that I truly believed Novak ws going to flush it.

      That dream was quickly shattered by Novaks complete lack of coordination when moving with the ball or moving near the rim. he looked terrified lol.

    19. flossy

      Roy Hibbert is a joke. You’re 7’2″ and a (former) all-star and you can’t take advantage of Chris Copeland in the post? If Indiana can’t use their size against the Knicks they’re going to be toast–they’re not going to win a jump shooting contest against us.

    20. Hubert Davis

      Melo has missed 10 straight shots since George got up in his grill a bit and they’ve mostly been poor and of the one-on-one variety.

      Dude really needs to stop getting manipulated.

    21. BigBlueAL

      Gotta give Jones some credit, he is battling with Hibbert and doing a pretty good job of it defensively.

    22. Hubert Davis

      Hibbert is such a fugazi tough guy (copyright Tim Thomas).

      Real cheap shot on Shump. Can’t wait for Tyson, KMart, and (god willing) Sheed to f him up in the playoffs.

      Sheed in particular would just own that guy.

    23. BigBlueAL

      Melo is getting pissed/frustrated at the physical play. Dunno how the hell that wasnt a foul on Hibbert on his last drive although it worked out since he got the ball back and dunked it.

    24. d-mar

      Interesting how we’re viewed as the team that will live and die by the 3 pointer. Right now Pacers have attempted 21, Knicks 15.

    25. mr.JayP

      Melo doesnt look as sharp or quick as in previous games. Hopefully some rest can get some more pep in his step for playoff time.

      Wow kidd with a mean strip.

    26. ruruland

      DRed: You would have been a better pickup than Camby. How’d your interview go? Did I miss your recap somewhere?

      Be up in a couple days.

    27. Hubert Davis

      d-mar:
      Interesting how we’re viewed as the team that will live and die by the 3 pointer. Right now Pacers have attempted 21, Knicks 15.

      On the season, the Knicks have attempted 2,279 to Indiana’s 1,545.

    28. ruruland

      Hubert Davis:
      This isnt Melo’s day.

      He’s not fasting right?

      three in four in a stretch with a ton of minutes and huge production.

      doesn’t have legs today.

    29. BigBlueAL

      Melo is getting beat up today. Gonna be tough having him play alot of PF vs the Pacers if they face them in the playoffs.

    30. Hubert Davis

      Woodson needs to save Melo from himself right now. Dude needs to stop having to bang Hibbert & West.

    31. Hubert Davis

      ruruland: three in four in a stretch with a ton of minutes and huge production.

      doesn’t have legs today.

      I get it. Not blaming him. I’m just worried. Feels like I’m watching the honey nut cheerio game.

    32. ruruland

      Hubert Davis:
      Woodson needs to save Melo from himself right now.Dude needs to stop having to bang Hibbert & West.

      He’s got a week. I was worried about the shoulder he injured against Chicago.

      this is great playoff prep. This is a playoff whistle and playoff physicality. Would much rather have this be the last game than an easy blowout.

      Plus, Indiana will remember that they lost to the Knicks without a big man when they were healthy and fighting to stay out of Heat’s bracket.

    33. BigBlueAL

      Up 9 heading to the 4th. Hold on to this lead and give Melo a much deserved/needed week off before the playoffs start.

    34. flossy

      BigBlueAL:
      Melo is getting beat up today.Gonna be tough having him play alot of PF vs the Pacers if they face them in the playoffs.

      I think this is exactly why Woodson said he’d start a real PF against Indiana.

    35. ruruland

      Hubert Davis: I get it.Not blaming him.I’m just worried.Feels like I’m watching the honey nut cheerio game.

      That was weird, for sure. I have to guess the diet change was a part of it.

      Melo has never been a guy who can keep his legs without days off.

      I honestly don’t have a problem when he gets a technical and plays angry. Sure, he will play out of control at times, but often I think it fuels runs.

    36. ruruland

      flossy: I think this is exactly why Woodson said he’d start a real PF against Indiana.

      Right, this game might look a tad different with just one of the healthy bigs.

    37. Hubert Davis

      ruruland: He’s got a week. I was worried about the shoulder he injured against Chicago.

      this is great playoff prep. This is a playoff whistle and playoff physicality.Would much rather have this be the last game than an easy blowout.

      Plus, Indiana will remember that they lost to the Knicks without a big man when they were healthy and fighting to stay out of Heat’s bracket.

      I’m not worried about this team, to be honest. They’re playing their 2nd game in a week, we’re exhausted, without any big men, and we’ve mostly been in control all day.

      And I don’t think Melo needs prep for the playoffs. He knows what’s in store. More concerned about a fatigued melo getting himself hurt today.

    38. mr.JayP

      i think the bockers are gonna stay in control for most of the 4th and melo will sit. *Fingers crossed*

    39. ruruland

      Hubert Davis: I’m not worried about this team, to be honest.They’re playing their 2nd game in a week, we’re exhausted, without any big men, and we’ve mostly been in control all day.

      And I don’t think Melo needs prep for the playoffs.He knows what’s in store.More concerned about a fatigued melo getting himself hurt today.

      It’s not about not knowing. It’s about remembering, feeling the hits, scoring through contact. Preparing the body.

    40. Hubert Davis

      flossy:
      I’d make Roy Hibbert prove he can check Chris Copeland before putting Melo back in.

      Yeah cope has had a great game.

    41. flossy

      Man, Roy Hibbert should be ashamed of himself. More fouls than points today against a team with no true center, and getting lit up by Chris Copeland to boot.

    42. Hubert Davis

      Don’t get bent out of shape, RuRu, but the ball has moved much better without Melo today. Like you said, he’s fatigued. Wasn’t his day. All stars need to get picked up from time to time.

      Moving much better and getting open shots now that he’s out. We’re going to win this going away with him resting his shoulder. It’s a win-win for everyone. Except the Pacers.

    43. ruruland

      flossy:
      Man, Roy Hibbert should be ashamed of himself.More fouls than points today against a team with no true center, and getting lit up by Chris Copeland to boot.

      Not sure how a team like Indiana can guard the Knicks with Melo, Smith and Copeland all on floor.

      Knicks can junk it up enough defensively to have a nice advantage.

    44. Hubert Davis

      BigBlueAL:
      Pacers on offense are a joke.

      They look like they’re missing someone on offense. Apparently this is actually their best lineup. Shocking.

      There is no chance this team knocks a healthy Knicks team out in the second round.

    45. BigBlueAL

      I know alot of people here are still skeptical of the Knicks come playoff time and are worried about mediocre teams like the Celtics but Im sorry the teams in the East outside of the Heat like Ive been saying all season long are flawed and pretty bad offensively and just are not as good as the Knicks.

      There is no reason this team shouldnt make the conference finals and at this point it will be a pretty big disappointment if they dont do so.

    46. MeloDrama

      If Hibbert can’t score despite post defense by Cope or Melo, the Knicks may well have broken the Pacers today.

    47. MeloDrama

      Hubert Davis: They look like they’re missing someone on offense.Apparently this is actually their best lineup.Shocking.

      There is no chance this team knocks a healthy Knicks team out in the second round.

      They’re “missing” Granger, who has been out all year. Their defense has been so dominant that it’s masked a pretty awful offense.

    48. Hubert Davis

      BigBlueAL:
      I know alot of people here are still skeptical of the Knicks come playoff time and are worried about mediocre teams like the Celtics but Im sorry the teams in the East outside of the Heat like Ive been saying all season long are flawed and pretty bad offensively and just are not as good as the Knicks.

      There is no reason this team shouldnt make the conference finals and at this point it will be a pretty big disappointment if they dont do so.

      You’re right. But I’m still worried about the Celtics!

    49. BigBlueAL

      flossy:
      Amazing that the Knicks are -13 in the rebounding column but +17 in FGA.

      All about the turnovers. 26(!!) for the Pacers and only 11 for the Knicks.

    50. MeloDrama

      ruruland: Not sure how a team like Indiana can guard the Knicks with Melo, Smith and Copeland all on floor.

      Knicks can junk it up enough defensively to have a nice advantage.

      Yeah. It almost reminds me of the year Ewing went down and we had that one matchup vs. Indiana where going smaller actually made us better (since Smits wasn’t exactly gonna punish us down low). If we can just throw out the small lineup vs Indy in the playoffs and this is how they respond …

    51. flossy

      Also remarkable what Jason Kidd was able to contribute today despite being a total non-threat to score whatsoever. Although I guess that’s just what Jason Kidd does these days. I do hope he’s saving his 3 point stroke for the playoffs.

    52. flossy

      MeloDrama: Yeah. It almost reminds me of the year Ewing went down and we had that one matchup vs. Indiana where going smaller actually made us better (since Smits wasn’t exactly gonna punish us down low). If we can just throw out the small lineup vs Indy in the playoffs and this is how they respond …

      Melo is going to be one giant bruise if we don’t play a bit bigger in a best of 7 series.

    53. BigBlueAL

      mr.JayP:
      So who gets rested on this short line-up? Kidd, felton and Melo?

      Thats the problem, only 10 healthy bodies right now. Apparently Sheed might play tomorrow or Wed. Melo definitely doesnt play but I think he might be the only one. Just really limit minutes of JR and Felton.

    54. mr.JayP

      BigBlueAL: Thats the problem, only 10 healthy bodies right now.Apparently Sheed might play tomorrow or Wed.Melo definitely doesnt play but I think he might be the only one.Just really limit minutes of JR and Felton.

      having good legs under kidd and felton will make worlds of difference in that first round. I would flat out rest kidd and melo and have felton suit up and just limit him to max 15-20min if need be.

      We are facing the bob cats. lol we should win it.

    55. Hubert Davis

      I would guess Melo & maybe Kidd get tomorrow completely off.

      Prigioni, White, Jones, Copeland, Novak should get most of the run tomorrow

    56. ruruland

      BigBlueAL:
      I think Cope deserves an apology from some people here lol.

      Honestly, he is a gr

      BigBlueAL:
      I think Cope deserves an apology from some people here lol.

      Honestly, how many guys in the league are excellent in pick and roll, spot-up shooting from 3-point and mid-range, driving against rotation, finishing with either hand, posting up and isolating against bigger players with quickness?

      He could score a pretty efficient 20 ppg in the NBA if he started.

      A right handed Chris Gatling (minus the rebounding), who at 29 scored 19 ppg on .580 TS.

    57. maxwell_3g

      Brian Cronin:
      I think this might be best win of the season. Just a total statement game. A big ol’ “Eff you” to the Pacers. I love it.

      i agree. we were manhandled by them last time we played. they were so much tougher than us. they still have a tough team. i really like west, hibbert, and stevenson especially, but we showed to be every bit as tough as them and more skilled. i know melo didnt shoot well, but i thought he played a yough game. JR was poetry in motion tonight. and i dont think many have noticed this, but shump was real rugged tonight, both on defense and the boards

    58. maxwell_3g

      ruruland: Honestly, he is a gr

      Honestly, how many guys in the league are excellent in pick and roll, spot-up shooting from 3-point and mid-range, driving against rotation, finishing with either hand, posting up and isolating against bigger players with quickness?

      He could score a pretty efficient 20 ppg in the NBA if he started.

      A right handed Chris Gatling (minus the rebounding), who at 29 scored 19 ppg on .580 TS.

      actually, i think his defense is better when he plays bigs. he battled against hibbert and did fine. i thought he was fine against boozer too. it shows that we can try going real small against teams and hope cope’s midmatch with him on offense is greater than his mismatch on d. he is betteragainst bigs though. he just struggles with lateral quickness against wing players

    59. ruruland

      maxwell_3g: actually, i think his defense is better when he plays bigs.he battled against hibbert and did fine.i thought he was fine against boozer too.it shows that we can try going real small against teams and hope cope’s midmatch with him on offense is greater than his mismatch on d.he is betteragainst bigs though.he just struggles with lateral quickness against wing players

      Too many good lineups with everyone back. I honestly don’t know what you do.

    60. Juany8

      Cope has been outright balling lately, he’s playing much better defense than I think any of us could have hoped for and his scoring has stayed shockingly good this whole time. He has some moves too, it’s not a Shawne Williams (remember him) situation where a player is just making a ton of open shots off the bench. Novak has been scoring on the starting bigs too, and the Knicks have not been outclassed with him Melo, and Shump as the front court, which is unbelievable to be perfectly honest.

      Best part is that I have complete faith in Grunwald to build around this core for the next year or two, even as many of the players retire or leave. He’s done an absolutely superb job with what he was given

    61. Juany8

      Wow Brooklyn just lost to Toronto with the freaking 3rd seed on the line. If they had won they would have been just one game back. I think today clinched the 2 seed for the Knicks right?

    62. MeloDrama

      Juany8:
      Wow Brooklyn just lost to Toronto with the freaking 3rd seed on the line. If they had won they would have been just one game back. I think today clinched the 2 seed for the Knicks right?

      It did. I was in favor of sitting our guys and just taking down Charlotte, but obviously happier that we got it done and maybe exposed a matchup explioit in the process.

    63. BigBlueAL

      Juany8:
      Wow Brooklyn just lost to Toronto with the freaking 3rd seed on the line. If they had won they would have been just one game back. I think today clinched the 2 seed for the Knicks right?

      Seeds 1-2-3-4-7-8 are all set. Its just up to Atlanta and Chicago to settle the 5-6 seeds. Atlanta is up 1 game but Chicago has the tie-breaker.

    64. d-mar

      BigBlueAL: Seeds 1-2-3-4-7-8 are all set.Its just up to Atlanta and Chicago to settle the 5-6 seeds.Atlanta is up 1 game but Chicago has the tie-breaker.

      I guess we’re rooting for the Bulls to get the 6 seed and beat up the Pacers? Or do we want them to get the 5, beat the Nets and then bring Rose back to make the Heat sweat a little?

    65. MeloDrama

      flossy: Melo is going to be one giant bruise if we don’t play a bit bigger in a best of 7 series.

      Not advocating benching Chandler, but you can throw that lineup out for stretches vs the Indy starters and do some work.

    66. Hubert Davis

      d-mar: I guess we’re rooting for the Bulls to get the 6 seed and beat up the Pacers? Or do we want them to get the 5, beat the Nets and then bring Rose back to make the Heat sweat a little?

      They’re not bringing Rose back.

      JVG made a great point on the Heat broadcast that if Dwight Howard took 1/4 of the season & the playoffs off after he had been declared fit to play he’d be crucified.

      Rose is getting a pass.

    67. Hubert Davis

      Can we get a game thread for the 1973 game 5 v Lakers they’re showing on MSG tonight?

      WINGO WINGO!

    68. jon abbey

      man, Hibbert’s performance today another example of how post play in this league is basically dead.

    69. BigBlueAL

      d-mar: I guess we’re rooting for the Bulls to get the 6 seed and beat up the Pacers? Or do we want them to get the 5, beat the Nets and then bring Rose back to make the Heat sweat a little?

      I want the Bulls at 5. Hope they beat the Nets and at least beat the Heat up a little. If the Heat have to play the Bucks then Hawks/Nets they will only lose 1 or 2 games tops and basically breeze thru the first 2 rounds.

      Plus the Hawks have split with the Pacers this season and with the Pacers playing horrible down the stretch who knows maybe the Hawks can upset them and make it that much easier for the Knicks to get to the conference finals. Pacers/Bulls guarantees a tough series physically for the Knicks in the 2nd round regardless who wins.

    70. ruruland

      Juany8:
      Cope has been outright balling lately, he’s playing much better defense than I think any of us could have hoped for and his scoring has stayed shockingly good this whole time. He has some moves too, it’s not a Shawne Williams (remember him) situation where a player is just making a ton of open shots off the bench. Novak has been scoring on the starting bigs too, and the Knicks have not been outclassed with him Melo, and Shump as the front court, which is unbelievable to be perfectly honest.

      Best part is that I have complete faith in Grunwald to build around this core for the next year or two, even as many of the players retire or leave. He’s done an absolutely superb job with what he was given

      You could easily argue that Prigioni and Copeland have been one of the three best rookie combinations in the NBA.

      Who needs picks when you are focusing on a three year window and have great overseas talent evaluators?

      That said, both guys could command some money this off-season.

      Copeland doesn’t have a ton of miles and doesn’t rely on athleticism. He could be really good for another 5-6 years. He might be a piece you do your best to keep through the next reload with the mle. idk.

    71. alsep73

      ruruland: That said, both guys could command some money this off-season.

      Copeland doesn’t have a ton of miles and doesn’t rely on athleticism. He could be really good for another 5-6 years. He might be a piece you do your best to keep through the next reload with the mle. idk.

      What exceptions will we actually have to play with next season? My understanding is we’re going to get smacked pretty hard by the new CBA rules, as will any other high-spending team. And given that we have to do whatever we can to hold onto JR, I can see some team stealing one of our other FAs.

      At this point, though, In Grunwald I Trust.

    72. BigBlueAL

      No way Prigs gets anything more than the minimum from another team, he will be 36 in May and has said he might not even return to the NBA next season.

      Im pretty skeptical that Cope gets anything more than the minimum too. Highly doubt a team will use cap space or one of their MLE’s on Cope.

    73. MeloDrama

      ruruland: You could easily argue that Prigioni and Copeland have been one of the three best rookie combinations in the NBA.

      Who needs picks when you are focusing on a three year windowand have great overseas talent evaluators?

      That said, both guys could command some money this off-season.

      Copeland doesn’t have a ton of miles and doesn’t rely on athleticism. He could be really good for another 5-6 years. He might be a piece you do your best to keep through the next reload with the mle. idk.

      When you look at the guys they’re brought in for peanuts, like Lin, Copeland, Novak, Prigs, then add in the vets like Swish and K-Mart among others that they’ve gotten for a song, it’s pretty remarkable. That Melo trade cost us our depth but now you’ve completely rebuilt it. Team finally appears to be in good hands.

    74. d-mar

      BigBlueAL: I want the Bulls at 5.Hope they beat the Nets and at least beat the Heat up a little.If the Heat have to play the Bucks then Hawks/Nets they will only lose 1 or 2 games tops and basically breeze thru the first 2 rounds.

      Plus the Hawks have split with the Pacers this season and with the Pacers playing horrible down the stretch who knows maybe the Hawks can upset them and make it that much easier for the Knicks to get to the conference finals.Pacers/Bulls guarantees a tough series physically for the Knicks in the 2nd round regardless who wins.

      Based on their remaining schedules, hard to see Atlanta falling to 6. Although we may control their destiny on the last day of the season at MSG, which would be interesting.

    75. Z-man

      Hope all you so-called Knicks fans are watching the ’73 game 5 telecast on MSG, first time it has been shown since it actually happened. (I saw it then!)

    76. BigBlueAL

      d-mar: Based on their remaining schedules, hard to see Atlanta falling to 6. Although we may control their destiny on the last day of the season at MSG, which would be interesting.

      Bulls have 2 pretty easy games left so if they try to win them they should do so. Hawks have a back-to-back to end the season but as you stated the final game is in NY where I assume the Knicks wont have much interest in winning.

      Not sure if the Bulls want to finish 5 though, they probably see the 6 seed as a chance to make a run to the conference finals.

    77. ruruland

      MeloDrama: When you look at the guys they’re brought in for peanuts, like Lin, Copeland, Novak, Prigs, then add in the vets like Swish and K-Mart among others that they’ve gotten for a song, it’s pretty remarkable. That Melo trade cost us our depth but now you’ve completely rebuilt it. Team finally appears to be in good hands.

      Some of it is luck, too, but it always is when you build a really good team.

      Anyone still think it’s easier to get a top 15 player (who is one of maybe 5 guys who can carry an offense through much of a playoff series) than find role players ?

    78. BigBlueAL

      Z-man:
      Hope all you so-called Knicks fans are watching the ’73 game 5 telecast on MSG, first time it has been shown since it actually happened. (I saw it then!)

      Sorry, Im watching the Yankees-Orioles on ESPN lol.

      Though in my defense I live in Miami and dont have DirecTV so therefore no MSG for me. If I did have MSG though I would certainly be flipping back and forth. Would be curious to see that game.

    79. MeloDrama

      ruruland: Some of it is luck, too, but it always is when you build a really good team.

      Anyone still think it’s easier to get a top 15 player (who is one of maybe 5 guys who can carry an offense through much of a playoff series) than find role players ?

      You always take the superstar.

    80. massive

      ruruland: Some of it is luck, too, but it always is when you build a really good team.

      Anyone still think it’s easier to get a top 15 player (who is one of maybe 5 guys who can carry an offense through much of a playoff series) than find role players ?

      I don’t think that was ever the argument. I think it was more along the lines of “you don’t trade away the farm unless it’s for a once-in-a-generation type of player.” But when you think about it, our farm didn’t do much for Denver; their best players are Andre Iguodala, Ty Lawson, and Kenneth Faried. So we definitely won that trade in retrospect.

    81. yellowboy90

      I think Cope just earned most of Novak’s minutes. I also hope Kidd minutes go down.

    82. AnonymousODG

      yellowboy90:
      I think Cope just earned most of Novak’s minutes. I also hope Kidd minutes go down.

      Copeland is a role player. He comes in to support an off-day Melo. He’s thrived in this role but Novak will almost always improve Melo and JR’s game simply by the virtue of better spacing. Copeland’s 3-pt shooting is underestimated by almost everybody, so you just don’t get the spacing on the perimeter from opposing teams when he’s in there.

      Was watching the Masters live (which went into a playoff) and the recording for the NYK/IND game go cut off. I saw Copeland had 20 and IND have 27 TOs. Did Copeland just blow up IND and give us an insurmountable lead in the 4th or did our team defense just shut IND down?

    83. BigBlueAL

      I guess the Knicks are pretty lucky they didnt wind up getting Steve Nash. Another older former Suns player who cant stay healthy when they leave Phoenix. That really must be one hell of a training/medical staff.

    84. maxwell_3g

      massive: I don’t think that was ever the argument. I think it was more along the lines of “you don’t trade away the farm unless it’s for a once-in-a-generation type of player.” But when you think about it, our farm didn’t do much for Denver; their best players are Andre Iguodala, Ty Lawson, and Kenneth Faried. So we definitely won that trade in retrospect.

      disagree in 2 respects. first, gallo and chandler are every bit as good as the three you mentioned (maybe lawson has more value). the nuggets needed gallo’s scoring and playmaking all year and chandler is so valuable for them. also, my beef was never going for the star, it was bidding against yourself. the fact that melo wanted to be a knick was no secret and we let the nuggets keep pushing our own price up.

    85. maxwell_3g

      yellowboy90:
      I think Cope just earned most of Novak’s minutes. I also hope Kidd minutes go down.

      the argument for that is novak’s performnce against the heat last year. they would close hard on him and shut him down. copeland is no AI, but he has shown the quickness of the dirbble to at least drive past a man who is recklessly closing on his 3

    86. Tony Pena

      AnonymousODG: Did Copeland just blow up IND and give us an insurmountable lead in the 4th or did our team defense just shut IND down?

      Apparently their offense does really suck. Didn’t see much of offensive variety or adjustments throughout the game. They bricked a bunch of shots, Knicks forced turnovers, they gave away some too with some butter-passes and butter-catches. Honestly CHI looks scarier than them right now… Copeland was very solid all game.

    87. Tony Pena

      maxwell_3g: disagree in 2 respects.first, gallo and chandler are every bit as good as the three you mentioned (maybe lawson has more value). my beef was never going for the star, it was bidding against yourself.

      New CBA looming, Nets might’ve snagged him, Carmelo might’ve not played it perfectly for us too but, oh well… It looks like a fair trade for both sides.

    88. Brian Cronin

      I don’t think Copeland will get a big enough offer to lose him this offseason. The only guy they have to worry about is JR.

      By the way, Lakers…holy shit, that was crazy.

    89. Tony Pena

      Oh yeah, Solomon Jones is absolute trash. World of a difference when Cope subbed for him. Maybe worse than James White. It’ll be nice if they can get Singleton in the offseason.

    90. Brian Cronin

      Early bird rights for who? They don’t have Cope’s Early Bird rights. They can only give him a 20% raise over the second-year minimum contract, which is $762,195. So 125% of $762,195 is basically $952,740. I don’t believe anyone out there is going to be beating that deal for Cope. I could be wrong, of course.

      THey do have JR’s early bird rights, so they can pay him $5 million a year. If they give him a one-year deal for $5 million (or a 1-year deal with a player option for a second year that he can opt out of if he is healthy) they will have his full bird rights next season and can pay him the moon. I fear that another team will offer him guaranteed $8 million a year money, at which point I really dunno if he can afford to turn it down. He’s never had a big-time contract during his career (only rookie deal and MLE money).

    91. BigBlueAL

      Speaking of the Lakers, they are 27-12 in their last 39 games (just read this stat on Twitter). This stretch started when they lost 4 in a row to drop to a season low 8 games under .500 at 17-25.

    92. Brian Cronin

      The Lakers just make no sense. They lose Kobe and have no Nash and they go out and beat the Spurs (who were actually trying to win the game). Fuck the heck?

    93. Tony Pena

      Ugh. Can’t worry bout it right now. 952k for Cope seems fine. If not I trust GG will find more end of the bench value.

    94. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin:
      The Lakers just make no sense. They lose Kobe and have no Nash and they go out and beat the Spurs (who were actually trying to win the game). Fuck the heck?

      Well defensively they are much better w/o Nash and Kobe to be honest. Also stupid D’Antoni actually ran a bunch of post-ups for Dwight and Pau tonight (although Gasol shot AWFUL).

      Blake had a great game too which was unexpected.

    95. BigBlueAL

      If Nash can return for the playoffs I dunno wouldnt be surprised even w/o Kobe they give OKC a decent series. Problem is thats a brutal matchup for the Lakers though. Assume a fairly easy 4-1 series win for OKC (assuming they get the 1 seed which seems like they will now).

    96. lavor postell

      Have the game recorded since I was in Chicago all weekend, but about to throw it on. Very excited to see how this turns out based on the comments.

      Hubert Davis: They’re not bringing Rose back.

      JVG made a great point on the Heat broadcast that if Dwight Howard took 1/4 of the season & the playoffs off after he had been declared fit to play he’d be crucified.

      Rose is getting a pass.

      Rose consistently gets a pass. National Championship game and you’re up 3 with two free throws coming to by far and away the best player in the country. Got to be feeling good with Rose going to the lane except he completely botches that up (so did Chris Douglas-Roberts).

      What really would irritate me if I was a Bulls fan is he keeps talking about it to the media in extremely cryptic fashion. Just fucking tell people what you’re doing rather than saying stupid things like “only God knows”.

      Melo and Dwight would get absolutely ripped if they did this, because Rose apparently is some great person while Melo couldn’t walk of the floor in Detroit before people accused him of not playing through an injury like freak of nature, Lebron James.

      The protection guys like Rose, Durant and Paul have from the media is general. Go try arguing with the vast majority of people and it’s a consensus that Paul is by far and away the best point guard in the game. Parker healthy is better than Paul. Maybe I’m wrong, but the gap between Paul and the field is certainly not a massive gulf as some would have you believe. I’ve always felt that all of Paul’s teams end up being extremely Paul-centric and that this makes them easy for a discplined defensive team to expose them come playoffs.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFvf_ZVX8G8

      How badly would Melo get crucified if his team ever virtually doubled up and only scored 63 points in a Game 4 down 2-1?

    97. Juany8

      I’m totally with you lavor, I think Chris Paul is pretty damn overrated, no one seems to remember that he was totally shut down by the spurs last year, who weren’t exactly an amazing defensive team.

    98. lavor postell

      I posted this yesterday in the morning news/game thread. Just wanted to put it up again and start some debate/get feedback.

      Hubert Davis: They’re not bringing Rose back.

      JVG made a great point on the Heat broadcast that if Dwight Howard took 1/4 of the season & the playoffs off after he had been declared fit to play he’d be crucified.

      Rose is getting a pass.

      Rose consistently gets a pass.National Championship game and you’re up 3 with two free throws coming to by far and away the best player in the country.Got to be feeling good with Rose going to the lane except he completely botches that up (so did Chris Douglas-Roberts).

      What really would irritate me if I was a Bulls fan is he keeps talking about it to the media in extremely cryptic fashion.Just fucking tell people what you’re doing rather than saying stupid things like “only God knows”.

      Melo and Dwight would get absolutely ripped if they did this, because Rose apparently is some great person while Melo couldn’t walk of the floor in Detroit before people accused him of not playing through an injury like freak of nature, Lebron James.

      The protection guys like Rose, Durant and Paul have from the media is general.Go try arguing with the vast majority of people and it’s a consensus that Paul is by far and away the best point guard in the game.Parker healthy is better than Paul.Maybe I’m wrong, but the gap between Paul and the field is certainly not a massive gulf as some would have you believe.I’ve always felt that all of Paul’s teams end up being extremely Paul-centric and that this makes them easy for a discplined defensive team to expose them come playoffs.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFvf_ZVX8G8

      How badly would Melo get crucified if his team ever virtually doubled up and only scored 63 points…

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