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Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Oct 27 2012)

  • [New York Post] Amar’e out indefinitely for Knicks (Sat, 27 Oct 2012 03:26:27 -0500)
    Though Tyson Chandler said he “absolutely” expects to be on the Brooklyn floor Thursday for the season opener despite his left-knee bone bruise, nobody can say when Amar’e Stoudemire and his ailing left knee will step onto a court again.
    According to a confidant of Stoudemire, the Knicks’ ailing…

  • [New York Post] Clyde: Melo primed for big year (Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:01:33 -0500)
    Walt “Clydeâ? Frazier said he thinks Carmelo Anthony is ready to quiet the doubters and not only have a breakout season in his first full year with the Knicks, but develop into the all-around player many have been calling for him to become.”He’s saying all the right things…

  • [New York Post] Laimbeer says Isiah no help (Sat, 27 Oct 2012 00:47:27 -0500)
    James Dolan didn’t exactly need a recommendation from Isiah Thomas to decide hiring arguably the best WNBA coach in history, former Pistons “Bad Boy” Bill Laimbeer, was a no-brainer.Laimbeer’s WNBA resume speaks for itself as he won three championships during his six-year run with the Detroit Shock…

  • 51 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Oct 27 2012)

    1. SeeWhyDee77

      OK..what the hell????? Eddy Curry, freshly signed with the Mavs- starts and gets 11 pts 7 boards and THREE BLOCKS!!!!??????!!!! lol I think all of Knickdom wouldn’t dislike Curry as much if he gave us that consistently. Seriously THREE BLOCKS?????!!!! lol I’m flabbergasted…

      Meanwhile..it looks bad for Mr Stoudemire right now. I hope it’s not THAT bad. For all his flaws we still need him.

      Lastly..on the court I feel bad for one Mr Lin- as he’s gonna get ALL the defense’s attention out there in Houston. Very happy for him off it. Morey really thought he would land Howard huh? Wow.

    2. er

      you feel bad for lin? ok then

      SeeWhyDee77:
      OK..what the hell????? Eddy Curry, freshly signed with the Mavs- starts and gets 11 pts 7 boards and THREE BLOCKS!!!!??????!!!! lol I think all of Knickdom wouldn’t dislike Curry as much if he gave us that consistently. Seriously THREE BLOCKS?????!!!! lol I’m flabbergasted…

      Meanwhile..it looks bad for Mr Stoudemire right now. I hope it’s not THAT bad. For all his flaws we still need him.

      Lastly..on the court I feel bad for one Mr Lin- as he’s gonna get ALL the defense’s attention out there in Houston. Very happy for him off it. Morey really thought he would land Howard huh? Wow.

    3. danvt

      A cyst is no big deal, but two weeks was overly optimistic, obviously. I don’t know why everyone is bringing up micro-fracture surgery. It’s frustrating right now but if Camby and Stat can get back we should be able to improve over last year. It’s hard to read and watch press about the Knicks because people still laugh at us and call us a bad defensive team. Injuries are proof that we’re “too old”.

      If we play all of November with a diluted roster we may not have enough to catch a deep Celtic team and the 4th seed may slip away but I still think we can do some damage by the time the spring rolls around.

      Basically, we’re a mugged fan base. The Knicks are the Murphy’s law of the NBA. Anything that can go wrong generally does, but I still see why the roster decisions were made as they were.

    4. ess-dog

      er:
      you feel bad for lin? ok then

      er, man, you are the master of dickish one-sentence comments that provide no insight. Keep up the good work, bro!

      I think if Chandler can make it back for the opener, it will be key for Felton et al to start games by finding him under the basket with Amare out.

      There’s no reason that we can’t find a big, athletic 7’1″ guy under the basket for more than 6 shots a game.

    5. JoMo

      ess-dog: er, man, you are the master of dickish one-sentence comments that provide no insight.Keep up the good work, bro!

      I think if Chandler can make it back for the opener, it will be key for Felton et al to start games by finding him under the basket with Amare out.

      There’s no reason that we can’t find a big, athletic 7’1? guy under the basket for more than 6 shots a game.

      Amen ess-dog. It seemed like the Felton/Chandler lob was effectively shut down for the latter few games of Chandler’s preseason. It was something I only realized in hindsight, so I’m not keen to what preseason defenses were doing to stop it.

      Fight fight fight, bark bark bark.

    6. Bruno Almeida

      JoMo: Amen ess-dog. It seemed like the Felton/Chandler lob was effectively shut down for the latter few games of Chandler’s preseason. It was something I only realized in hindsight, so I’m not keen to what preseason defenses were doing to stop it.

      Fight fight fight, bark bark bark.

      I do think Felton is a big part of involving Chandler more in the offense, but that’s something Carmelo and Amare should be able to do too.

      if you watch the Lakers of the last few years closely, a lot of Bynum’s baskets came from nifty inside passes from Gasol, and not only from being fed by the guards or playing in the post… the problem is, neither Melo or Amare have shown consistently that they are capable or willing to make these kind of passes, whenever they get close to the paint they try to shoot.

      Chandler has a great sense of when to cut to the basket and is an elite finisher at the rim, we should give him as many possibilities to cut to the basket as possible.

    7. er

      thanks ess, i enjoy it….but i dunno what insight you want me to give on that. Lin signed with Houston so he knew the deal, what is there to feel sorry about.

      ess-dog: er, man, you are the master of dickish one-sentence comments that provide no insight.Keep up the good work, bro!

      I think if Chandler can make it back for the opener, it will be key for Felton et al to start games by finding him under the basket with Amare out.

      There’s no reason that we can’t find a big, athletic 7’1? guy under the basket for more than 6 shots a game.

    8. Unreason

      er:
      not great…….hopefully the vets will bring him along though

      Too bad. Preseason highlights had me wondering about him over KT as the back up 4. Sizewise it seems possible. A credible j outside of 10 ft that 4/5’s would bother to close out could make lots of things work better. But if he’s Amare-level weak on D, he’d have to be really deadly for it to be a net gain, and that seems unlikely. If he’s another offense only 3, it’s still nice to have some insurance against Melo/Novak injuries.

      Based solely on the pleasing fact that Copelandia are hallucinogenic mushrooms, I’ll suspend disbelief in his untapped defensive potential ’till I’m forced to confront a colder reality.

    9. jon abbey

      Unreason: Based solely on the pleasing fact that Copelandia are hallucinogenic mushrooms, I’ll suspend disbelief in his untapped defensive potential ’till I’m forced to confront a colder reality.

      this might be my favorite sentence in the history of Knickerblogger, kudos.

      Copeland is 6’8″, a little short to guard and box out a lot of post players, but he certainly made things happen on the offensive end throughout preseason, so I hope he can get 10-12 minutes or so to start the year.

    10. yellowboy90

      jon abbey: this might be my favorite sentence in the history of Knickerblogger, kudos.

      Copeland is 6’8?, a little short to guard and box out a lot of post players, but he certainly made things happen on the offensive end throughout preseason, so I hope he can get 10-12 minutes or so to start the year.

      He simply lacks strength to defend bigger 4s.

    11. Unreason

      jon abbey: this might be my favorite sentence in the history of Knickerblogger, kudos.

      Thanks

      jon abbey: Copeland is 6’8?, a little short to guard and box out a lot of post players, but he certainly made things happen on the offensive end throughout preseason, so I hope he can get 10-12 minutes or so to start the year.

      I misjudged his strength. In the clips I saw, he looked strong taking contact on drives and getting boards. And since Melo’s strong enough at 6’8″ and similar weight to pass as a 4 sometimes, I was just hoping. Good to know he seems potentially worth 10-12 min though.

    12. jon abbey

      wow, this is shocking:

      “The Rockets send Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and future draft considerations to the Thunder for Harden, sources tell Y! Sports. “

    13. Frank

      Gotta hand it to Morey- he finally got his superstar. And depending on the draft picks, he didn’t give up that much.
      And we get to see whether Harden was mostly a product of OKC and surrounding talent or whether he can really elevate a team on his own.

      I’ll say this though- this is great for Jeremy Lin- he will no longer be the only guy who can initiate the offense.

    14. er

      i think the thunder won this deal getting lamb, martin and a bunch of picks

      jon abbey:
      wow, this is shocking:

      “The Rockets send Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and future draft considerations to the Thunder for Harden, sources tell Y! Sports. ”

    15. Juany8

      Frank:
      Gotta hand it to Morey- he finally got his superstar. And depending on the draft picks, he didn’t give up that much.
      And we get to see whether Harden was mostly a product of OKC and surrounding talent or whether he can really elevate a team on his own.

      I’ll say this though- this is great for Jeremy Lin- he will no longer be the only guy who can initiate the offense.

      James Harden is not a superstar. I wish I could get all excited about a team led by Harden and Lin, but both have been totally shut down by elite defenses pretty consistently and neither is a great defensive player. When all is said and done, the player I’m most excited about acquiring this summer is Omer Asik, who is basically going to have to play at DPOY levels for huge minutes to mask the fact that no one else on the team is a top shelf defender. The Rockets will actually be fun to watch now at least, but they should have tanked this year, obtained a high draft pick, and THEN traded for Harden. Now I guess I have to go pray that David Berri is perfectly right about everything, and that Harden and Asik are dominant superstars while Lin is a top 10 PG.

    16. SeeWhyDee77

      Intriguing backcourt out there in Houston. Harden is a stud. I don’t know about the present day benefit as Martin is all offense, and his game is very much like that of Durant’s so I’m not sure he fits well between him and Westbrook. But if this trade sticks then it doesn’t make them worse but it bodes especially well for the future in OKC.

      I will say this tho..Harden may not be a great leading man as in a Wade or Kobe, but I see Morey building a Denver like team with a better go to scorer between Harden and Lin than Denver’s got right now- though I have faith that Gallo is gonna step up to 20 ppg this season. Western Conference is gonna be beyond interesting this season. David Stern is leaving Silver a gold mine!!

    17. Juany8

      er:
      i think the thunder won this deal getting lamb, martin and a bunch of picks

      It’s a win-win, the Rockets didn’t need Martin and OKC still gave themselves a shot this year, when Miami and the Lakers will be at their peak, while enhancing their overall core for years to come. I was really excited about Lamb as a Rockets fan, and Kevin Martin is perfectly capable of replicating Harden’s efficiency, if not his playmaking. He’s also a more consistent 3 point shooter, and I can’t be the only person who remembers Harden missing wide open 3’s in the Finals. The Rockets gave themselves a nice little backcourt in Harden and Lin, but they’re going to need defensive monsters at the front court positions that are also able to be offensive threats. That might be asking too much of Chandler Parsons and Omer Asik lol

    18. JC Knickfan

      Lamb did not play very well in preseason. I wouldn’t pencil him as as a replace in the near future yet. If OKC got the Toronto pick which is almost guarantee lottery pick, that’s not bad deal. If not and OKC doesn’t resign Martin to tax friendly contract, I think it hurts their championship prospect for next couple years.

      I think Harden is superstar and Houston now make the playoffs. So if Houston gave their 1st round pick and I don’t it is as attractive now. The article did say “pick” so maybe OKC got both and in that case that a good haul.

    19. jon abbey

      the strangest thing about this deal is how little money separated OKC and Harden, they offered $53-$54M and Harden was holding out for the full $60M. I am now officially rooting for Houston to go 20-62 with Lin and Harden both falling on their faces, I think.

    20. er

      i thought it said okc was getting multiple picks…but even still i like the lamb and martin for okc, martin can just be a spot up 3 shooter and lamb can be a rookie sefalosia with better offense. Tell you one thing though, KD and Westbrook probably have to be that much better this year.

      JC Knickfan:
      Lamb did not play very well in preseason. I wouldn’t pencil him as asa replace in the near future yet.If OKC got the Toronto pick which is almost guarantee lottery pick, that’s not bad deal. If not and OKC doesn’t resign Martin to tax friendly contract, I think it hurts their championship prospect for next couple years.

      I think Harden is superstar and Houston now make the playoffs. So if Houston gave their 1st round pick and I don’t it is as attractive now. The article did say “pick” so maybe OKC got both and in that case that a good haul.

    21. Frank

      Juany8: . When all is said and done, the player I’m most excited about acquiring this summer is Omer Asik, who is basically going to have to play at DPOY levels for huge minutes to mask the fact that no one else on the team is a top shelf defender.

      Trouble with Asik is that he just can’t play a lot of minutes. His foul rate is one of the highest in the league. Unless he makes a huge effort to correct that, he’s a 25 min per game guy.

    22. jon abbey

      I think all three of those guys are going to be exposed in their greater roles, fascinated to see how it plays out.

    23. er

      Contract extension talk between the Oklahoma City Thunder and reigning KIA Sixth Man of the Year James Harden took a wrong turn somewhere. How else to explain tonight’s shocking news, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports and Darnell Mayberry of the Oklahoman, that Harden has been traded to the Houston Rockets for Kevin Martin, rookie shooting guard Jeremy Lamb, two first-round Draft picks and a second-round Draft pick?

      yup 3 picks

    24. SeeWhyDee77

      If Morey can somehow package some of his young 4’s (Patterson, Morris) with a guy like Livingston for a PnR big he will have a really nice squad. During the offseason I was hoping for a S&T for Lin that would net us at least Morris and Royce White or something similar..but that was never close to possible. I think Morey’s biggest problem now is how he’s gonna put together a trade package for a starting 4 who can score considering his highest paid players are now 2 Poison Pill contracts and a 60 mill max contract guy who he’s gonna wanna keep. Anyone know how Houston’s cap situation is gonna look after they ink Harden?

    25. er

      great question, he will probably get his close to max or max deal

      SeeWhyDee77:
      If Morey can somehow package some of his young 4?s (Patterson, Morris) with a guy like Livingston for a PnR big he will have a really nice squad. During the offseason I was hoping for a S&T for Lin that would net us at least Morris and Royce White or something similar..but that was never close to possible. I think Morey’s biggest problem now is how he’s gonna put together a trade package for a starting 4 who can score considering his highest paid players are now 2 Poison Pill contracts and a 60 mill max contract guy who he’s gonna wanna keep. Anyone know how Houston’s cap situation is gonna look after they ink Harden?

    26. SeeWhyDee77

      One thing’s for sure though..Lin has a friend in Morey lol. He just saved his hide. Before this Harden move, Lin was gonna be the focus of every teams defensive scheme and I’m not sure how he would have held up in the face of that for 82 games. On the flipside of that, I’m glad about our PG situation. Coming into the season I had no idea our 3 guys would work so well. Felton’s shot is not exactly falling, but that’s correctable. Bummer about STAT tho. I just hope he’s not too bad off as I feel like he was on the verge of being reliable for us again.

    27. Juany8

      Frank: Trouble with Asik is that he just can’t play a lot of minutes. His foul rate is one of the highest in the league. Unless he makes a huge effort to correct that, he’s a 25 min per game guy.

      I know lol, that’s why I’m not super excited about this move, I don’t think a core og harden, Lin, and Asik is going anywhere unless Asik gets as good as Tyson Chandler, Lin stays fully healthy, and Harden can maintain his efficiency at increased usage and defensive pressure. I wouldn’t bet on any of those 3 things, but I like Asik to work out the most, I think he fouled a lot partly because a. he was a freaking second year player and b. he could get away with it because Gibson and Noah were there to soak up minutes. The guy is a brilliant defensive player, he’ll figure out how to be effective without fouling, it’s really the offense that’s going to be the turning point with him.

    28. massive

      Oklahoma City will not get to the Western Conference Finals this year. You don’t trade a .263 WP/48 (.230 WS/48) guy for a .077 WP/48 guy (.125 WS/48) and a rookie. The Thunder will almost certainly take a step back, especially if Westbrook thinks it’s okay to take more shots now that Harden is gone.

      And excuse James Harden for wanting to get all of the money he’s worth. He watched Russell Westbrook, Serge Ibaka, and Kevin Durant all get their money, so why should he be the player to get short-changed? More power to him.

    29. Juany8

      SeeWhyDee77:
      If Morey can somehow package some of his young 4?s (Patterson, Morris) with a guy like Livingston for a PnR big he will have a really nice squad. During the offseason I was hoping for a S&T for Lin that would net us at least Morris and Royce White or something similar..but that was never close to possible. I think Morey’s biggest problem now is how he’s gonna put together a trade package for a starting 4 who can score considering his highest paid players are now 2 Poison Pill contracts and a 60 mill max contract guy who he’s gonna wanna keep. Anyone know how Houston’s cap situation is gonna look after they ink Harden?

      They’ll still have room, it’s basically Lin and Asik’s 16 Million, Harden’s 15, and bunch of rookies. They’ll be in play for another max contract next summer, or as is more likely after seeing how Morey has operated the last few years, he’ll leverage the space and remaining assets for an upgrade at one of the forward spots, I’m hoping Josh Smith or Al Horford if Atlanta falls flat on their faces, or perhaps even Al Jefferson/Milsap if Utah’s young bigs start to blossom. Granger is another intriguing possibility, and I wouldn’t rule out a Chris Paul-Lin swap (with picks and prospects thrown in) if the Clippers realize they aren’t going anywhere with the team and want to get something for Paul before he bolts. A Lin-Griffin pairing would fill the seats, which is all Sterling really cares about.

      The Harden move really gives Morey some legitimacy in talking to other big names now, I can’t believe how much he’s gotten dumped on for going through the worst streak of luck of any gm in the past few years. Just 4 years ago, this team was being built around Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady, and Ron Artest.

    30. SeeWhyDee77

      Juany8: They’ll still have room, it’s basically Lin and Asik’s 16 Million, Harden’s 15, and bunch of rookies. They’ll be in play for another max contract next summer, or as is more likely after seeing how Morey has operated the last few years, he’ll leverage the space and remaining assets for an upgrade at one of the forward spots, I’m hoping Josh Smith or Al Horford if Atlanta falls flat on their faces, or perhaps even Al Jefferson/Milsap if Utah’s young bigs start to blossom. Granger is another intriguing possibility, and I wouldn’t rule out a Chris Paul-Lin swap (with picks and prospects thrown in) if the Clippers realize they aren’t going anywhere with the team and want to get something for Paul before he bolts. A Lin-Griffin pairing would fill the seats, which is all Sterling really cares about.

      The Harden move really gives Morey some legitimacy in talking to other big names now, I can’t believe how much he’s gotten dumped on for going through the worst streak of luck of any gm in the past few years. Just 4 years ago, this team was being built around Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady, and Ron Artest.

      I like a play for Smith or Horford. ATL will problee never let Horford go unless its for Howard. Not sure how Morey adds players via trade now unless he finds a trade partner lookin to dump salary. As far as the Knicks..I love that Kurt’s back but if Sheed is ready then maybe we can move him for Patterson or Morris. We need a youngin at the 4..preferably Patterson cu he’s a better defender

    31. Juany8

      BigBlueAL:
      Could this actually be considered a lose-lose trade??

      Lol if OKC loses to the Spurs in the second round and the Rockets end up as the eighth seed in the west, absolutely. Although in that scenario at least Lamb and the picks could turn into something, especially since it’s Sam Presti doing the drafting

    32. JC Knickfan

      I don’t believe Harden was known for his defense. So if K Martin can post another season %TS >= 0.600, I don’t see OKC offense getting any worse.

    33. jon abbey

      massive:

      And excuse James Harden for wanting to get all of the money he’s worth. He watched Russell Westbrook, Serge Ibaka, and Kevin Durant all get their money, so why should he be the player to get short-changed? More power to him.

      the offer he turned down was for about $2M more per year than Ibaka, FWIW.

    34. BigBlueAL

      I read that Harden is basically getting an extra 20 million by signing max extension the Rockets will be offering him compared to what OKC was offering him.

    35. jon abbey

      BigBlueAL:
      I read that Harden is basically getting an extra 20 million by signing max extension the Rockets will be offering him compared to what OKC was offering him.

      yeah, there’s a 5th year in play as well as the fact that TEX has no state income tax.

      it really feels like a Joe Johnson leaving Phoenix move to me (although this was a trade and that was FA). that’s worked out for JJ financially but he also cost himself his best chance at being part of a title team.

    36. Brian Cronin

      I think Joe Johnson in general is a good comparison, although I would note that in Johnson’s case, it wasn’t that the Suns couldn’t afford him or anything like that, they just chose not to pay him the money because he asked them not to. You shouldn’t let a guy as good as Joe Johnson go just because he asks you to. Remember, the Suns ended up giving the same money they wouldn’t give Johnston to Boris Diaw and Marcus Banks. So it wasn’t a money thing like the Harden situation.

      OKC’s position here is easier to understand than Phoenix’s. OKC “couldn’t” give Harden the money he wanted. They’re not going to go spend his salary on other players.

    37. iserp

      massive:
      Oklahoma City will not get to the Western Conference Finals this year. You don’t trade a .263 WP/48 (.230 WS/48) guy for a .077 WP/48 guy (.125 WS/48) and a rookie. The Thunder will almost certainly take a step back, especially if Westbrook thinks it’s okay to take more shots now that Harden is gone.

      And excuse James Harden for wanting to get all of the money he’s worth. He watched Russell Westbrook, Serge Ibaka, and Kevin Durant all get their money, so why should he be the player to get short-changed? More power to him.

      But Kevin Martin posted a WP48 of .210 once!!! and .190 and .185 two other times!!!!!

      Then, some people talk about how consistent this metric is from season to season.

    38. knicknyk

      Wow. I woke up this morning to find out that Harden was traded. Honestly I am very happy for him. He deserves to get paid he is such a great player. It will be interesting to see how OKC deal with all this. Houston got a lot more interesting as well. Much younger. I agree with Juany that Omer will be fine. It all depends on how Harden maintains his efficiency as a full time starter now & if Lin stays healthy. I am rooting for all three to happen. Houston now has a roster filled with all technically first time starters in Lin harden Parsons (replaced Budinger I believe as a starter in the season) Patterson & Asik.

    39. Frank

      BigBlueAL:
      So much for the OKC Thunder dynasty.

      I don’t think that at all. You’ve still got a ridiculously good core of Westbrook, Durant, and Ibaka. You’ve got Lamb, who’s got promise, as well as depth wing guys like Sefalosha (ie. Tony Parker-killer). Kevin Martin is probably gone after this year. In the frontcourt other than Ibaka, you’ve still got Perkins (for the Dwight Howard matchups) and Collison. They just drafted Perry Jones, who would’ve been a top 5 or 10 pick if he hadn’t stayed in school last year. They get a mid-high lottery pick (from TOR) + another #1 pick from Houston, in addition to their own #1s. They have no luxury tax concerns so if they really want to bite at a MLE or BAE they can.

      So they’ll be a legitimate REAL contender + cap space + lottery picks + their own picks + good hungry young talent even behind their core guys.

      This team is STACKED. If you read Hollinger’s analysis, I agree wholeheartedly with him re: fit. One of Durant and Westbrook is going to be on the floor the whole time, so Harden’s full skill set is not quite as necessary on this team — Kevin Martin is going to have a TS somewhere in the low 60s this year given that he’s not going to have any attention paid to him unlike in his whole career when he’s basically been the go-to scorer. He’ll probably shoot 45% from 3 with all the open shots he’ll get.

    40. Juany8

      Frank is right, K-Mart will approach Harden’s efficiency and is not significantly worse on defense. with Lamb and Sefalosha, they’ll finally have a pair of long defensive wings on the bench for defense, something which has been missing from the Thunder the last few years (Daquan Cook is not a good player)

      The only thing they really lose with Harden is his playmaking and chemistry. The playmaking is certainly a blow, but Westbrook showed serious improvement in lowering his turnovers as the playoffs went on and I think he’s ready to be the full-time PG this team needs him to be. Durant is also improving as a playmaker, and Ibaka has shown some serious signs of improving his offense. If Perry Jones delivers on his talents by the playoffs, they won’t have to play Perkins serious minutes against Miami. The Heat don’t have a true center period, why should the Thunder worry if they only have 1?

      As far as this year, the Lakers and Heat are going to be at their absolute best this year, several core players on both teams should start declining pretty noticeably, with little room for flexibility (Battier, Allen, Kobe, Nash, Wade, Gasol, Artest) If I’m Sam Presti and know Durant and Westbrook are going to hit their absolute primes in another 2 or 3 years, and that the Lakers and Heat have monster teams assembled mostly to win these next 2 years, reloading for the next few years while keeping costs down and still being a good contender these next 2 years makes a lot of sense. Let’s keep in mind that OKC had a really close series against Miami in the Finals and Harden didn’t give them shit on either end. The one game OKC won was the game Harden sat out the fourth quarter for Derek freaking Fisher. He should also improve since he’s very young, but if I can get Kevin Martin to give me 80% of what Harden did (efficient scoring mostly) while improving my chances down the line when it really matters, that’s certainly a deal I can live with

    41. d-mar

      I’m sure that Harden’s miserable 18-48 shooting in the Finals factored into OKC’s thought process.

    42. MKinLA

      If Presti let a 48 shot stretch in the Finals change his entire perception of a player like Harden, he’s an idiot. And he’s not an idiot.

    43. knicknyk

      d-mar:
      I’m sure that Harden’s miserable 18-48 shooting in the Finals factored into OKC’s thought process.

      Foolishness

    44. d-mar

      knicknyk: Foolishness

      I didn’t say that’s the reason they traded him, but I’m sure it made them feel he wasn’t exactly irreplaceable

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