ruruland: Crazy thing is that unlike many of you I actuallyroot for this current Knicks team to do well.

Save for a few empty statements like “oh, I actually hope they win and I’m wrong,” which are utter bullshit because you make every conceivable argument about how it CANNOT work…. with every indication that you’d prefer it not to work so that you can be “proven” correct.

But whatever. I just think that would be pretty miserable. Not me to judge what a fan is or if you many of you even fit the definition.

I’m the anti-fan because I believe in one of the top players and think the Knicks can eventually figure it out.

ok, stop the pathetic personal attacks, please.

you have absolutely no fucking right to question people and say these are “empty statements” or that people don’t cheer for this Knicks teams to go well.

you don’t know me, you don’t know Owen or Max or anyone else to say this kind of shit.

I have an opinion about whether this Knicks team will eventually win a title or not, and I’d love to be proven wrong.

if you don’t believe it or think it’s an empty statement, I don’t fucking care.

you can think my opinions are shit and respond accordingly, but the personal stuff is just bullshit.

get off your high horse dude, because after all, all you’ve done is find excuses for why your lofty predictions have failed miserably.

hoolahoop: If you don’t think those two guys know basketball, “I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry.”

I can’t anymore hahahahhaa

Doug: Because I find your wild conspiracy morbidly fascinating to the point where it’s entertaining to think about: DUDE. You’re forgetting that there’s absolutely no real world value to sports discussion. It’s not like we have an election to swing. What would be the point of astroturfing a Knicks blog? And just this one blog? This isn’t even the biggest Knicks-only blog out there. If I hired a guy to defend me on the internets and found out he was only posting on one blog, I’d fire his ass.

And anyway, it’d be relatively easy to identify your hypothetical pro-Melo astroturfer because if they were doing their job they’d have multiple aliases posting on as many blogs possible. You could easily identify them with their writing style.

What’s the most logical explanation? Uh… he really likes Melo. Occam’s Razor, bruh.

Funny, I was going to use “Occam’s razor” as my easiest explanation for my theory, as I can’t fathom anyone going to these lengths to defend a player unless they were being paid in some way. It’s not just this blog. He’s defended melo on other sites as well, going back years. I checked it out when he was “outed” here a couple of months ago by someone.

2FOR18: That’s all cool and I deserve it since I don’t have proof.

All I know for sure is that he makes his money as a writer and that he has spent years on the internet talking up melo.He also follows the same template that political hacks follow – there is a whole industry of paid internet folks who comment on the “other side’s” sites with “their side’s” talking points, and he uses the same methods of arguing – the deflection, the blaming of others, the strawman arguments, repeating of the same talking points ad nauseum, etc.

If there is a more logical explanation for his melomania, I’d like to hear it.

Because I find your wild conspiracy morbidly fascinating to the point where it’s entertaining to think about: DUDE. You’re forgetting that there’s absolutely no real world value to sports discussion. It’s not like we have an election to swing. What would be the point of astroturfing a Knicks blog? And just this one blog? This isn’t even the biggest Knicks-only blog out there. If I hired a guy to defend me on the internets and found out he was only posting on one blog, I’d fire his ass.

And anyway, it’d be relatively easy to identify your hypothetical pro-Melo astroturfer because if they were doing their job they’d have multiple aliases posting on as many blogs possible. You could easily identify them with their writing style.

What’s the most logical explanation? Uh… he really likes Melo. Occam’s Razor, bruh.

Doug: You’re right, I am and I will. So you’ve been around “the block.” What block? The internet sports team blog comment section block? Someone among our midst is a salaried professional blog commenter, paid by the comment to defend Melo from his INTERNET HATERZ. He answers only to Team Melo, a secret cabal composed of La La Vazquez, Leon Rose, Worldwide Wes, and the Illuminati. And only you can finger this villain and reveal his true nefarious purposes because you’re some kind of grizzled old Internet veteran.

I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry.

That’s all cool and I deserve it since I don’t have proof.

All I know for sure is that he makes his money as a writer and that he has spent years on the internet talking up melo. He also follows the same template that political hacks follow – there is a whole industry of paid internet folks who comment on the “other side’s” sites with “their side’s” talking points, and he uses the same methods of arguing – the deflection, the blaming of others, the strawman arguments, repeating of the same talking points ad nauseum, etc.

If there is a more logical explanation for his melomania, I’d like to hear it.

Doug:
Also, people actually listen to what Jon Barry and Kelly Tripucka have to say about basketball?

If you don’t think those two guys know basketball, “I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry.”

ruruland: It must really suck to be a fan of a team where you dislike the face of the franchise player.

And it must really suck to be a fan of a player more than the team he’s on – especially when the player is ostracized for being a ball hog that doesn’t pass to his teammates and has the worst playoff record in NBA history.
Lets face it ruru, you’re a knicks fan by default that started last year with Melo’s arrival. Who are you to judge knicks fans?
What type of fan abandons his team to follow a player? I liked Cazzie Russell, and Walt Bellamy, and Ewing, – and Gallo, but that doesn’t make me like the Nuggets more than the knicks.

ruruland: It must really suck to be a fan of a team where you dislike the face of the franchise player.

Yes, it does.
I’ve been a big knicks fan since before Melo was born. I was at a lot of the games during the championship seasons. It’s been a fun ride till the end of the Ewing era.
The last decade has been awful, punctuated by Marbury, Isiah, and now Melo. The first half of last season was finally fun again. Then, Melo showed up and “the ship be sinkin”, except for the Linsanity respite. That was the most fun two weeks I can remember in knicks history.
Denver shed no tears when Melo left and there are few fans there who would undo that trade.

I’m trying to figure out if I can wipe the knicks fan DNA from my blood. So far, I can’t.

ruruland: It must really suck to be a fan of a team where you dislike the face of the franchise player.

Here we go again with the “attacking people for not being the right kind of fans” stuff. There are about 3 people on this board who attack Melo personally, which IMO is a waste of time and unfair. I root for the Knicks. The team. Players come and go, and the only ones I can remember having a strong attachment to are Oak, Spree, LJ, and Gallo.

Gallo was the vulnerable young dude who I got to watch grow up. He was the guy who came into his own just as NY was emerging from the Isiah dark ages. He’s like a holocaust baby. By the end, you just had to love him.

I loved Spree & LJ because they were emotional & confident on the floor, & they had that unforgettable run together, where against all odds they slayed our worst enemies: The Heat – Hardaway & Mourning, & the Pacers – Reggie Miller.

Oak because I felt like he was the heart of NY’s identity. He was the real enforcer, and he also seemed like an interesting dude in a John Wayne badass kind of way.

Point is, I can root for players, but they have to have some positive history with the team. I’m guessing that’s why you love Melo. He gave Denver fans hope.

As a NY fan though Melo’s acquisition has done nothing but squelch all hope for improvement & championship contention. He’s not young so he’s unlikely to improve & hasn’t made the team any better (Dolan’s fault, not his). He is a square peg in a round hole, or else he turned STAT into that peg. I want him traded, not because I don’t like him, but because he is the only piece that can be converted into young players with potential, giving STAT a chance to recover, giving NY a chance to have a coherent offense & of maybe, just maybe, developing into a contender.