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Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Mar 31 2012)

  • [New York Times] Hawks 100, Knicks 90: Knicks Fade Fast in Loss to Hawks After Carmelo Anthony Is Hurt (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:17:18 GMT)
    As Jeremy Lin continued to rest his sore left knee, Carmelo Anthony hurt his groin in the fourth quarter of the Knicks’ loss to Atlanta on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Celtics Top Timberwolves as Garnett Outplays Kevin Love (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:20:08 GMT)
    In a return to Minnesota, 35-year-old Kevin Garnett outmuscled the rising star Kevin Love, who has assumed the place he once held there as the face of the franchise.

  • [New York Times] Wade Leads Heat With Heavy Heart After Chicago Shooting (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 06:19:01 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade led the Miami Heat to a 113-101 win over the Toronto Raptors on Friday but admitted he played with a “heavy heart” after learning his adult nephew had been among those injured in a Chicago shooting spree.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Beat Blazers 98-97 for 4th Straight Win (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:33:48 GMT)
    Chris Paul made a driving layup with 5 seconds to go, lifting the Los Angeles Clippers over the Portland Trail Blazers 98-97 on Friday night as they tied their season high with their fourth straight victory.

  • [New York Times] Nets Rally From 19 Down to Beat Warriors (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:27:49 GMT)
    Gerald Green tied the score with a thundering one-handed dunk from the baseline and added a go-ahead basket moments later, and the New Jersey Nets rallied from 19 points down in the second half to beat the Golden State Warriors 102-100 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Cousins’ 27 Lift Kings Over Jazz 104-103 (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 04:30:51 GMT)
    DeMarcus Cousins scored 27 points, including the winning free throw with 3.8 seconds left, and the Sacramento Kings ended a four-game losing streak with a 104-103 victory Friday night over the Utah Jazz.

  • [New York Times] Wade Leads Heat With Heavy Heart After Chicago Shooting (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:28:07 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade led the Miami Heat to a 113-101 win over the Toronto Raptors on Friday but admitted played with a “heavy heart” after learning his adult nephew had been among those injured in Chicago shooting spree.

  • [New York Times] Nowitzki Jumper Leads Mavericks Past Magic, 100-98 (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:12:56 GMT)
    Dirk Nowitzki banked in a 15-foot jumper with 5.9 seconds left and scored a game-high 28 points to lead the Dallas Mavericks to a 100-98 victory over the Orlando Magic on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Dragic’s 25 Leads Rockets Over Grizzlies 98-89 (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:12:54 GMT)
    Goran Dragic scored a season-high 25 points and Courtney Lee added 17 as the Houston Rockets beat the Memphis Grizzlies 98-89 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Deng, Noah Lead Bulls Past Pistons 83-71 (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 04:12:53 GMT)
    Luol Deng scored 20 points, Joakim Noah added 19 points and 12 rebounds, and the Chicago Bulls beat the Detroit Pistons 83-71 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Garnett Improves to 6-0 Over Timberwolves (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:33:54 GMT)
    The Old Wolf showed the Young Pup who still runs things in Minnesota.

  • [New York Times] Johnson, Green Lead Hawks Past New York 100-90 (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:36:52 GMT)
    Joe Johnson scored 28 points and Willie Green carried the Hawks in the fourth quarter, leading Atlanta to a 100-90 victory over the Mike Woodson and the New York Knicks on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Jennings Leads Bucks Past Cavaliers, 121-84 (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:12:53 GMT)
    Brandon Jennings scored 28 points and the Milwaukee Bucks routed Cleveland 121-84 Friday night, beating the Cavaliers for the sixth straight time.

  • [New York Times] Afflalo Scores 19 as Nuggets Down Bobcats 99-88 (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 01:49:45 GMT)
    Arron Afflalo scored 12 of his team-high 19 points in the second half and added 11 rebounds as the Denver Nuggets held off the Charlotte Bobcats 99-88 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: With Lin Out, Davis Re-Enters the Spotlight (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:47:45 GMT)
    Because of his injuries, point guard Baron Davis may no longer be a go-to guy, but the Knicks don’t need him to be.

  • [New York Times] Wade and Bosh Each Score 30 as Heat Beat Raptors (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:21:53 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade was determined to put in a strong performance for a stricken family member.

  • [New York Times] Wizards Snap 5-Game Skid With 97-76 Win Over 76ers (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:45:53 GMT)
    Cartier Martin tied a career high with 20 points in his second game under a 10-day contract, and the Washington Wizards built a big lead and held on to it for a change, breaking a five-game losing streak Friday night with a 97-76 win over the Philadelphia 76ers.

  • [New York Times] Women’s Olympic Basketball Team Loaded With Talent and Experience (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 00:19:03 GMT)
    The heavily favored U.S. women’s basketball team will have no shortage of talent and experience when they seek a fifth consecutive gold medal at the London Olympic later this year.

  • [New York Post] Knicks fall to Hawks despite Carmelo’s 36 points (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 04:31:28 -0500)
    ATLANTA — Mike Woodson’s defensive juggernaut got cooled off in Hotlanta and the Knicks’ playoff position no longer looks as comfy.
    Woodson suffered a bunch of regular-season losses in this building as the Hawks coach, but Friday night was as painful as any as Atlanta whipped the battered Knicks…

  • [New York Post] Lin hoping to return next week from knee injury (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:58:17 -0500)
    ATLANTA â?? The mystery behind the severity of Jeremy Lin’s left knee increased dramatically yesterday as Knicks interim head coach Mike Woodson said he’s unsure when â?? and “if” â?? the point guard will return.
    Lin missed his third straight game last night in a 100-90 loss to the Hawks and…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Harrellson: NBA may not suit Calipari (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:53:42 -0500)
    ATLANTA — Knicks rookie center Josh Harrellson, a member of Kentucky’s Final Four team last season, said he believes John Calipari has a great chance to win his first NCAA championship Monday, but is less certain on whether Calipari’s sideline theatrics will play well if he decides to…

  • [New York Daily News] Jeremy out Lindefinitely with sore left knee (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 07:23:40 GMT)
    The mystery surrounding Jeremy Lin’s sore left knee took an unexpected turn on Friday when head coach Mike Woodson said he didn’t know “whenâ? or “ifâ? both Lin and Amar’e Stoudemire would play again this season.

  • [New York Daily News] Hawks spoil Woodson’s homecoming, as Knicks fall 100-90 (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 06:22:28 GMT)
    It wasn’t the homecoming Mike Woodson anticipated and it certainly wasn’t the ending anyone, especially Carmelo Anthony, expected. With a couple of All Stars, Anthony and Joe Johnson, on the floor, the player that dominated the fourth quarter was Willie Green, a journeyman guard who has a knack for playing well against the Knicks.

  • [New York Daily News] For Knicks coach Woodson, Friday’s not the result he Drew up (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:26:42 GMT)
    Mike Woodson saw too much of Willie Green in the fourth quarter and not enough of the kind of tenacious defense that the Knicks had been playing since he took over for Mike D’Antoni.

  • [New York Newsday] Melo, Shumpert shine but Knicks run out of gas (Sat, 31 Mar 2012 00:17:00 EDT)
    The Atlanta Hawks held off the Knicks, 100-90, on Friday at Philips Arena. It was just their second loss in 10 games since Woodson became interim coach.

  • 60 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Mar 31 2012)

    1. Z-man

      Wow, the injury bug has really bit us in the last couple of weeks. JR Smith didn’t step up last night, Landry continues to play like a D-Leaguer, and Woodson inexplicably won’t use Toney even after Davis and Bibby stink up the joint. Amazing how this team has taken us on such a roller coaster ride, from pondering the 3-4 spot to clinging on to the playoffs by our fingernails. Not looking very hopeful right now. We have to gut this game out tonight somehow, or else our playoff hopes are in deep shit.

    2. Z-man

      So are people here coming around on Shump’s shooting? I know it’s only a small sample, but if he shoots like he has in the last 3 games, we’re talking a top-5 all-around SG in the league. Other than THCJ, would anyone here still consider trading him straight up for Faried? Or anyone else in the draft not named Kyrie Irving?

    3. Caleb

      I will go out on a limb and say if Shump can shoot 3s in the high 30%s, he will be an All-Star.

      A little early to expect that, given his college career and the first part of the season..

    4. daJudge

      Caleb, with Shump, I am also impressed with his little mid range jump shot. He would be a real problem to contain if he becomes a reliable jump shooter because of his explosiveness to the hoop. If he adds a high 30%’s 3, together with his extremely rare defensive ability and stays healthy, your prediction is very reasonable in my view.

    5. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Players can improve their shooting over their first few seasons (and beyond, as Paul Pierce and Jordan have shown us). I have no doubt that Shumpert could be a top 5 SG in the league, but that’s assuming that he can improve his shot by about .100 TS%. He’s young, so it’s likely that his shooting will improve, but not every player is able to make the leap. Sometimes you get lucky and land a Russell Westbrook who goes from a bad rookie to a superstar, and sometimes you get a Beasley who goes from average to shite.

      Games like last night give me hope that he might be as potent as Faried is (offensively), but the same argument goes for Faried: Can he fix the part of his game that appears to be broken? My guess is that it’s easier to learn NBA defensive schemes than it is to learn a jump shot. I don’t know, though. It wasn’t a bad pick (Kahwi Leonard is clearly the one they missed out on, in hindsight), and I still think Faried is more likely to be the productive one of the pair, but yeah, Shumpert could be all-NBA good. Still, the caveat…

    6. jon abbey

      even I’m surprised Shumpert is shooting 3s like this, but I have been expecting him to break out offensively for a while. with him more than most players, it’s got to be a little hard to switch from his manic mode on D to the calm mode one needs to execute efficiently on the offensive end, like a hoops version of the biathlon or something. credit to Allan Houston and Darrell Walker for taking him under their wing, my favorite Knick in a long time.

    7. jon abbey

      also, I can’t say I’m thrilled about the article that reported that if it were the playoffs, Lin would be in there. almost everyone on the team is hurting and there’s only 14 games left, this essentially is the playoffs for us and we could have really used him last night (even 20 minutes) and the same tonight.

    8. d-mar

      I know it’s piling on a little, but I am getting really really tired of Landry Fields. Jim C. put it best in his wrap up “Fields seemed more than anything like he was taking up space; not doing anything wrong, per se, but not challenging the defense either” That’s it in a nutshell, in a typical offensive set, he gets the ball, makes a fugazy move to the hole (which no one on defense thinks he’ll really finish) and then passes the ball to someone 25 ft. from the basket. And we all know about his horrid shooting. Unfortunately, JR did nothing last night to justify more minutes, in fact, if he had hit one or two damn shots or made his FT’s, we might have stolen that game.

    9. Z-man

      At the risk of sounding gratuitous and patronizing, I have never read consecutive comments by THCJ and jon abbey that were more measured and fair, and devoid of sarcasm and pomposity.

      Jowles, I get everything you are saying. The thing I think weighs in favor of Shump’s development is 1) his physical stature and athleticism at his position, and 2) his all-around skills/versatility on both ends of the floor. The last couple of games have him reminding me of a less offensively polished version of Wade. My guess is that Faried will improve somewhat but I just see more of a foundation to build on with Shump. I like Leonard, but like Shump more, and since he was not available, the point is less controversial.

      jon, I agree that Shump is just a very easy guy to root for. I think that on D, he has a calmness to him and doesn’t seem as manic as he does highly focused. I think that his time at PG at GT has helped him stay calm on offense because he’s confident handling ball pressure, and finally he is settling in his offensive niche on this team.

      I agree about Walker and Houston being the perfect mentor combo for him. Maybe they can help Fields out, too. The guy’s shot is just pitiful, and his D ain’t so hot either.

    10. Mulligan

      Seriously worried about Lin. I think everyone knows the stakes here and if he’s not playing, it has to do with the severity of the injury. Why they wouldn’t disclose it is beyond me. But seriously, he knows how much the team needs him. If he’s not able to get on the floor, his knee must be having some serious problems. Basically 4 of our 5 best players are battling injuries (sometimes multiple ones). Suddenly not feeling so great about making it into the playoffs. This season has been such an emotional roller coaster!

    11. Gideon Zaga

      Haha and you guys mocked me when I said He is the next Derrick Rose, and Rose was Rondo bad in shooting his rookie year. Yeah we live to see.

    12. Mulligan

      Gideon Zaga:
      Haha and you guys mocked me when I said He is the next Derrick Rose, and Rose was Rondo bad in shooting his rookie year. Yeah we live to see.

      Derrick Rose is a horrible comparison for Shump. In what ways are their games similar?

    13. Gideon Zaga

      wade/rose pick whichever you want, shump is still developing and I think he will find out how to use his good athletic ability to get to the basket more. Just wait and see.

      Mulligan: Derrick Rose is a horrible comparison for Shump. In what ways are their games similar?

    14. Z

      Z-man:
      Woodson inexplicably won’t use Toney even after Davis and Bibby stink up the joint.

      Not sure if I should groan over this statement, or applaud it as poignant satire.

    15. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I’m really curious as to what “personal problems” are keeping Toney Douglas off the court.

      Z-man:

      Jowles, I get everything you are saying.The thing I think weighs in favor of Shump’s development is 1) his physical stature and athleticism at his position, and 2) his all-around skills/versatility on both ends of the floor.The last couple of games have him reminding me of a less offensively polished version of Wade. My guess is that Faried will improve somewhat but I just see more of a foundation to build on with Shump.I like Leonard, but like Shump more, and since he was not available, the point is less controversial.

      See, Fields is athletic too. He made a driving, hooking layup-finger-roll shot last night that was athletically impressive. My attitude is that at this level of play, EVERYONE is athletic. And not everyone who is hyper-athletic (John Wall, Shannon Brown, McGee, for instance) is great at basketball. It becomes a serious problem when you call someone athletic who cannot shoot a basketball at the league average. What’s his athleticism worth if he cannot, after years of college ball and now approaching a season in the NBA, correct his jump shot?

    16. cgreene

      Well I think that one of the things pulling Shumpert’s college #’s down was the fact that he played on a really bad team where defenses really keyed on him and he probably had a bit of a hero ball mentality so he shot too much or took too many bad shots. I mean if you look at his shooting form and motion and the way he sets himself for shots it looks very natural and fluid unlike Fields. There are plenty of guys out there who look good shooting but can’t shoot but the tools are definitely there.

      Knicks need to jump out quick tonight and put the Cavs to bed early. They have sucked lately.

    17. TelegraphedPass

      Gideon Zaga:
      wade/rose pick whichever you want, shump is still developing and I think he will find out how to use his good athletic ability to get to the basket more. Just wait and see.

      Why are you using the reigning MVP and one of the greatest guards of all time as comps? Because Shump is athletic?

      That’s like saying Nick Young will be Kobe Bryant someday. Wait and see.

    18. Gideon Zaga

      Reigning MVP my ass, the fact they gave it to him doesn’t mean everyone agrees, I say most improved player. Dwight should have got it last year but that’s another story. Yeah Shump is a rookie and how long has Rose been in the league?? You don’t have to agree, all I’m saying is, that its a matter of time.

      TelegraphedPass: Why are you using the reigning MVP and one of the greatest guards of all time as comps? Because Shump is athletic?

      That’s like saying Nick Young will be Kobe Bryant someday. Wait and see.

    19. Doug

      Landry’s jumper was once decent, which gives me reason to believe it can become decent again (hint: go back to your old mechanicsssss)

      Have there been any other cases of a young player trying to change his shooting mechanics to be more fundamentally sound and it goes completely to shit?

      If Shawn Marion is 30% from three with his T-Rex shooting motion and Steve Blake spins his wrist out to the side, Landry should be able to hack it with the slower release on his old shot.

    20. TelegraphedPass

      Gideon Zaga:
      Reigning MVP my ass, the fact they gave it to him doesn’t mean everyone agrees, I say most improved player. Dwight should have got it last year but that’s another story. Yeah Shump is a rookie and how long has Rose been in the league?? You don’t have to agree, all I’m saying is, that its a matter of time.

      Oh I agree that MVP award was a total farce, but he still was awarded it. Regardless of whether we supported it, he is the reigning MVP.

      Tyreke Evans had great rookie numbers as well. And he’s athletic! Is he the next LeBron?

      Jeremy Evans is a sick athlete and is about 6’9″. Is he going to be Blake Griffin?

      What stopped Gerald Green from being Vince Carter? He’s athletic, about the same height, and has a jump shot.

      Just because a player is an athletic 2 guard doesn’t mean his ceiling is every great athletic guard ever.

    21. Doug

      TelegraphedPass: What stopped Gerald Green from being Vince Carter? He’s athletic, about the same height, and has a jump shot.

      Million dollar athleticism, ten cent head

    22. jon abbey

      I doubt Shumpert’s mom loves him as much as I do, but he is not going to be on the level of Wade and Rose. those guys are 10+ time All-Stars (past and future combined), I think Shumpie’s ceiling is maybe a 2-3 time All-Star.

    23. Kikuchiyo

      Meanwhile, over at Cavstheblog, Cleveland fans point out that in yesterday’s Cavaliers game:

      Sloan played 16 minutes with 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 0 turnovers and 0 fouls.

      Walton – 18 minutes with 0 points, 1 rebound, 1 assist, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 0 turnovers, 1 foul

      Manny – 11 minutes with 1 point, 1 rebound, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 0 turnovers, 1 foul

      How is that for some advanced stats?

    24. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Players can improve their shooting over their first few seasons (and beyond, as Paul Pierce and Jordan have shown us). I have no doubt that Shumpert could be a top 5 SG in the league, but that’s assuming that he can improve his shot by about .100 TS%. He’s young, so it’s likely that his shooting will improve, but not every player is able to make the leap. Sometimes you get lucky and land a Russell Westbrook who goes from a bad rookie to a superstar, and sometimes you get a Beasley who goes from average to shite.

      Games like last night give me hope that he might be as potent as Faried is (offensively), but the same argument goes for Faried: Can he fix the part of his game that appears to be broken? My guess is that it’s easier to learn NBA defensive schemes than it is to learn a jump shot. I don’t know, though. It wasn’t a bad pick (Kahwi Leonard is clearly the one they missed out on, in hindsight), and I still think Faried is more likely to be the productive one of the pair, but yeah, Shumpert could be all-NBA good. Still, the caveat…

      Learn defensive schemes? Uh, not really the major problem.

    25. JLam

      Seems strange that Lin had an MRI on his knee and media aren’t getting any definitive diagnosis Also Lin seems to be running? limping? away from reporters and not taking any question on the condition of the knee. Seems to me it’s worse than initial thought Its a ploy by the Knicks to keep the Lin fans coming to the games and continue the Lin marketing

    26. Bison

      @jon abbey (#7)
      The Knicks are making me uneasy too about the injury to Lin.

      A possible explanation is MSG’s crass commercial calculation: perhaps Lin’s injury is serious (there have been rumors about him needing arthroscopic surgery), but MSG wants us to keep hoping.

      Remember the effect Linsanity had on ticket prices? Can you imagine the plummet if it were known that he was done for the season? MSG is having nightmares about it, perhaps, and that is why we’re being kept in the dark.

      Like everyone else, I’m just guessing here. But this theory does explain why Lin isn’t talking: he’s been ordered to keep quiet. We know the guy has guts; we’ve seen it repeatedly. We know he would play if he could. He’s inactive for good reason, but MSG wants us to keep hoping — and buying.

    27. Bison

      @JLam (#27)
      Heh, I see I’m not the only one thinking that MSG is deliberatly keeping us in the dark.

    28. JR Sec 112

      Not sure if its all marketing – I think its just not responding well to treatment. In any case, tonight’s game is winnable even w/o lin. We’ll see about Tuesday.

      On Shump, yeah he’s athletic, but what makes him all-star quality is his motor. The intensity he brought last night was impressive. Just a little thing, but when he got fouled on the 3 and missed first shot, he was really mad at himself. He’s got that extra gear – so far we’ve only seen it defensively, which already makes him a very valuable starting SG in the NBA. If he can develop confidence in his mid-range shot, I think he could be similar on offense. He’s already got great elevation, which draws the comparisons to Wade. Of course, he has a LONG way to go to get to Wade’s level, but the motor is there. That’s what separates him from, say, Tyreke Evans….arguably a more skilled player, but with a dubious motor.

      Again, that’s why I’m so optimistic about this team in the next couple of years. With the right coach, and who knows maybe Woody is that guy, the potential to have the kind of toughness necessary to get it done in the playoffs is there.

    29. JR Sec 112

      Also, on the MSG conspiracy, its not like they sell more tickets at higher prices with ot without Lin. The games are sold out and the prices you refer to are on the secondary market, with no benefit to MSG. On the margin it affects TV ratings, but its not that material.

      Simply put, its just not responding to treatment as they had hoped. That’s my best guess.

    30. JLam

      What’s wrong with TD ? He got the Knicks record for most 3 pointers in a game. Nine in a game last season I think. Is it just shooting that was poor this year?

    31. Bison

      @JR Sec 112 (#32)
      I was using ticket prices as a metaphor for the many windfalls MSG is reaping, thanks to Lin. Jersey sales, TV ratings, sponsorships — these have all gone way, way up. So Dolan has a huge incentive to keep us hoping that Lin might return soon.

      And we could both be right: the knee might not be responding to treatment, *and* MSG wants to keep the gravy flowing. That could be why Lin isn’t talking.

    32. JR Sec 112

      That’s fair. Although I still think he just doesn’t want to deal with all the media speculation and prefers to just rehab in private.

    33. ruruland

      JR Sec 112:
      Also, on the MSG conspiracy, its not like they sell more tickets at higher prices with ot without Lin.The games are sold out and the prices you refer to are on the secondary market, with no benefit to MSG.On the margin it affects TV ratings, but its not that material.

      Simply put, its just not responding to treatment as they had hoped.That’s my best guess.

      Here’s a wild idea: Lin is sick of talking to the NY media about an injury issue that hasn’t changed all that much the last week. He doesn’t have a specific time table, but should return soon, as has been reported numerous places the last few days.

    34. ruruland

      JR Sec 112:
      That’s fair.Although I still think he just doesn’t want to deal with all the media speculation and prefers to just rehab in private.

      this

    35. jon abbey

      well, the stuff about “if it was the playoffs, I’d be in there” is lame IMO.

      so is Irving playing tonight or not?

    36. JC Knickfan

      jon abbey:
      also, I can’t say I’m thrilled about the article that reported that if it were the playoffs, Lin would be in there. almost everyone on the team is hurting and there’s only 14 games left, this essentially is the playoffs for us and we could have really used him last night (even 20 minutes) and the same tonight.

      Shump been out 3 game and another 4 game stint. I think Lin deserve benefit of doubt.

    37. Z-man

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: See, Fields is athletic too. He made a driving, hooking layup-finger-roll shot last night that was athletically impressive… not everyone who is hyper-athletic (John Wall, Shannon Brown, McGee, for instance) is great at basketball. It becomes a serious problem when you call someone athletic who cannot shoot a basketball at the league average. What’s his athleticism worth if he cannot, after years of college ball and now approaching a season in the NBA, correct his jump shot?
      The Honorable Cock Jowles(Quote)

      I think you have to consider each guy’s athleticism at his “primary” position. Shump is first and foremost a 2; Fields is a 3. From that point of view, Fields is not especially athletic as a SF…neither particularly strong, not tall, nor long, nor fast, nor a great leaper. Shump, for a 2, is very strong, on the tall side, on the fast side, very long, and a dominant leaper. When Fields is at the 2, he gains some strength, height, length etc., but he is slow relative to other 2’s.

      re: Skill, my eyes tell me that Shump has a much more diverse skillset than Fields, although I know you don’t value the eye test. He is probably as good of a raw rebounder (I think he focuses on it less, resulting in lower numbers). He is a much, much better ball-handler. He can drive and finish with either hand. He elevates and shoots in a much more mechanically sound way. He shoots the ball with more arc. He seems to use his length much more effectively than Fields.

      I agree that athleticism does not make someone a good basketball player. And better shooting form doesn’t matter if the ball doesn’t go in, (who has uglier form than Marion? But who cares?) Shump is an elite defender, so he will have some latitude to build an efficient offensive game. Not so for Landry, he doesn’t really stand out in any area (maybe…

    38. jon abbey

      sorry, Z-Man posted in between, my post referred to this:

      “Shump been out 3 game and another 4 game stint. I think Lin deserve benefit of doubt”

    39. jon abbey

      Lin has also said he’s not coming back until he’s a hundred percent, which again I think is lame considering the other guys playing who aren’t a hundred percent. we need these games.

    40. limpidgimp

      jon abbey:
      totally irrelevant, but thanks for sticking up for your hero.

      What’s the point of sarcastic comments like this except to be condescending? If you aren’t actually grateful, then don’t abuse meaningful words like ‘thanks.’

    41. jon abbey

      limpidgimp: What’s the point of sarcastic comments like this except to be condescending? If you aren’t actually grateful, then don’t abuse meaningful words like ‘thanks.’

      thanks for your feedback! :)

      and what words aren’t “meaningful” exactly? please forward me the list.

    42. limpidgimp

      What makes you think you’re entitled to treat people badly? If you need to do that to strangers on the internet to feel good about yourself, your real life must be a sad affair.

    43. JC Knickfan

      Doug:
      Landry’s jumper was once decent, which gives me reason to believe it can become decent again (hint: go back to your old mechanicsssss)

      Have there been any other cases of a young player trying to change his shooting mechanics to be more fundamentally sound and it goes completely to shit?

      If Shawn Marion is 30% from three with his T-Rex shooting motion and Steve Blake spins his wrist out to the side, Landry should be able to hack it with the slower release on his old shot.

      Unlike Shump who gotten better each month Dec-Mar, Landry going need offseason to change his motion. As soon JJ get back Landry should go to bench. He is a RFA so I presume he will work his butt in offseason.

      Anyways we do have early bird right on Laundry so can match any offer without effect our MLE who we know will go to Lin. My gut feeling we get improve version next year.

    44. jon abbey

      limpidgimp:
      What makes you think you’re entitled to treat people badly? If you need to do that to strangers on the internet to feel good about yourself, your real life must be a sad affair.

      what are you even talking about? I didn’t realize this had become a sarcasm-free zone, but that comment was irrelevant and pointless, and since it was answering one of mine, that was what I said.

    45. daJudge

      I don’t have much of an interest in business issues, but maybe MSG is being a tad more cautious with Lin because of his financial value to the franchise. Maybe Lin is being a tad cautious because of his own financial interests, like Nike. I don’t really think this is the case though and, bottom line, sounds like he has loose cartilage that will need to be scoped off season. He’s probably dealing with inflammation and swelling and needs to be shut down for awhile more

      Like THCJ, I too have also been curious about TD personal problems. I have absolutely no basis for this impression, but (y’all can say it, “since when did that stop him”) I hope it’s not some sort of depression that put him in a very dark dangerous place. I know he doesn’t look depressed on the bench, but that is really irrelevant. Maybe everyone is just being sensitive to this and possibly do not want to push him hard. I would love to see that nice quiet kid compete again.

    46. jon abbey

      someone start a game thread, please. (I hope that’s not an abuse of a “meaningful” word like please.)

    47. Z-man

      jon abbey: totally irrelevant, but thanks for sticking up for your hero.

      Well, Shump is kind my hero for the moment…

      jon abbey: sorry, Z-Man posted in between, my post referred to this:“Shump been out 3 game and another 4 game stint. I think Lin deserve benefit of doubt”

    48. Bison

      ruruland: Here’s a wild idea: Lin is sick of talking to the NY media about an injury issue that hasn’t changed all that much the last week.

      I disagree. You have to see it from Lin’s point of view: that there’s no benefit to him in being a recluse. Also, he has never acted this way before; he has always been available and open. The only reasonable explanation for avoiding the media now is that he has been ordered to do so.

    49. Z-man

      Screwed that post up, sorry.

      The innuendo re: Lin’s injury is kind of weird. The guy seems more than willing to play hurt, I doubt very much that it’s his decision to rest. Re the 100% stuff, we all know he ain’t gonna be 100% until next year. I think he’s talking relative to playing in a way that hurts the team’s chances to make the playoffs. I dunno, just don’t think the guy is anything less than a gamer.

    50. SJK

      Maybe this is why: New York Knicks
      Jeremy Lin will be out for approximately six weeks after an MRI revealed a small chronic meniscus tear in his knee.

      As per the knicks Facebook page

    51. jon abbey

      less than four weeks to go in the regular season, for the record. this is the same way last season ended, ugh.

      this is what I was saying about Lin’s game since the start, it makes injuries very likely. of course anyone can get hurt, but his style makes it likely that he will be injured very frequently.

    52. jon abbey

      Tommy Beer ? @TommyBeer

      Kyrie Irving on the floor working out now. Per Byron Scott, Irving is a true game-time decision, based on how he feels after shooting around

    53. daJudge

      Irving is out tonight. Too bad about Lin. Jon, I think the story said it was a “chronic” tear, not something “acute”. I’m not sure that is based on the style of his play or wear, minutes and nature. Either way, Lin will be fine. So will the Knicks. Hey, let’s get JJ healthy, let’s get to the play-offs and play tough. If Lin will be out for 6 weeks, can we place him on IR and at least get some help at the 1 for the rest of the season? Even a D league 1 would help this team right now.

    54. Z

      daJudge:
      If Lin will be out for 6 weeks, can we place him on IR and at least get some help at the 1 for the rest of the season?Even a D league 1 would help this team right now.

      No IR in the NBA. If Knicks want to add a body, they need to waive one first.

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