Juany8: No the issue, as Jon Abbey put so eloquently, is that you’re complaining about replacing one crappy point guard with a slightly less crappy one that gets payed 3 times as much. Now, if the Knicks had been able to keep Lin AND Felton, that would have been a perfect situation, because Jeremy Lin and Raymond Felton are both better that Prigioni. And yes, if Lin was on the Knicks, I would say they should be starting him, although there have been enough spacing issues lately without another player useless from 3.

When forced to choose one or the other at their respective salaries though, it’s not such a clearcut choice. Lin wouldn’t make this team much better (seriously maybe they win 1 or 2 more games this year?) and he’d cost a lot more. It’s simply not worth worrying this much about. Plus Lin sucked at the beginning of the year so the hot start probably would have been less exciting. Felton was the reason the Knicks won the second Miami game.

I am talking about replacing a back up pg with a starting pg. I am talking about replacing a PG that is awful on defense with another PG that is a good defender. And the Knicks could have had both those PG’s as you said yourself & eventually traded Lin down the road to help better this team. The fact that the Knicks are still searching for a PG & have Felton & Prigs in that position as there only PG assets is comical.

Felton is not a starting PG in the NBA. He just isn’t. Would ray start on the Mavs? Darren Collison is better than him & Carlisle doesn’t even start DC because he is a poor defender & Ray is worse on D than DC. Would Ray start on Utah? Like I seriously have to think long & hard to pick between Felton & Steve Blake.

knicknyk: Lin is a average PG. Solid starting PG which is exactly the salary he is getting paid. Felton is a back up PG & one of the worst starting PG’s in the NBA. Lin is good Felton is shit.

And I am not bringing this up because the Knicks are loosing. I said in the summer that this knicks team is a second round exit. I also said that they are at best a 4th seed (which I admitted to being happily wrong about).I am bringing this up because Felton has been exactly what I said he would be in the summer crap. Mediocre offensively nash like defensively. I just want a PG that doesnt’ get dusted by every starting PG in the NBA. The Knicks recent slump has nothing to do with my issue with Ray. Ray is awful. People pretending that Lin isn’t very good & MUCH better than Ray & there isn’t much of a difference between the two players are kidding themselves.

No the issue, as Jon Abbey put so eloquently, is that you’re complaining about replacing one crappy point guard with a slightly less crappy one that gets payed 3 times as much. Now, if the Knicks had been able to keep Lin AND Felton, that would have been a perfect situation, because Jeremy Lin and Raymond Felton are both better that Prigioni. And yes, if Lin was on the Knicks, I would say they should be starting him, although there have been enough spacing issues lately without another player useless from 3.

When forced to choose one or the other at their respective salaries though, it’s not such a clearcut choice. Lin wouldn’t make this team much better (seriously maybe they win 1 or 2 more games this year?) and he’d cost a lot more. It’s simply not worth worrying this much about. Plus Lin sucked at the beginning of the year so the hot start probably would have been less exciting. Felton was the reason the Knicks won the second Miami game.

jon abbey:
and yes, Lin is probably better, but for the umpteenth time in recent days, he isn’t actually good.

and yeah, if you want to complain about something, 3 years each for Novak, Kidd and Camby all look pretty dreadful right now.

Lin is a average PG. Solid starting PG which is exactly the salary he is getting paid. Felton is a back up PG & one of the worst starting PG’s in the NBA. Lin is good Felton is shit.

And I am not bringing this up because the Knicks are loosing. I said in the summer that this knicks team is a second round exit. I also said that they are at best a 4th seed (which I admitted to being happily wrong about). I am bringing this up because Felton has been exactly what I said he would be in the summer crap. Mediocre offensively nash like defensively. I just want a PG that doesnt’ get dusted by every starting PG in the NBA. The Knicks recent slump has nothing to do with my issue with Ray. Ray is awful. People pretending that Lin isn’t very good & MUCH better than Ray & there isn’t much of a difference between the two players are kidding themselves.

Darrell H.: Felton is a much better drive and kick point guard.Lin drives with blinders on always looking to score.

Felton is also a much better PnR point guard.

I’ll give Lin the nod on finishing at the rim (although everything still looks like a heave to me).

Felton is a much better ball handler than Lin.

Lin is horrendous on the defensive end.All teams do is run him into picks which he appears to NEVER be able to see.Felton has sucked on D since he returned from injury so I’d call this a wash.Lin has better hands though.

Lin is a better athlete with his combination of size and quickness.

Felton has the better contract.

Lin will be a backup PG in the next couple of years as will Felton.Basically, if I were GM, I’d…

Felton isn’t a better drive & kick PG nor is he a better PNR guard synergy stats say otherwise. No Lin will not be a back up at worst he will be a Mike Conley type PG solid starter. No he isn’t horendous on defense Morey has openly said differently (said his defense was Conley like). Lin does a good job of funnelling his man towards help defense & is a smart team defender with a knack for for forcing turnovers & taking charges. I have never seen Ray take a charge. Felton sucked on D in portland too what was his excuse? Oh yeah that he was fat & out of shape. Felton isn’t a good defender Lin is much much better.

The biggest and most obvious difference between Lin and Felton this season is TS%: otherwise, they’re both decent defenders and pretty good passers (Lin turns it over more, but more of his assists tend to be on high-percentage dunks and corner 3s), who tend to score better on drives to the rim than from shooting. Felton’s TS% is .487; Lin’s is .535. If Felton scored at Lin’s efficiency, though, he’d be scoring 15.9 PPG instead of 14.5.

That’s a significant difference. In fact, eyeballing it and adjusting for injury, adding that difference to our point differential would mean something like 4-5 more wins over the course of a season. That’s the difference between 47 wins and 52 wins, which is very possibly the difference between the #2 seed and home court to the ECF and the #5 seed and being likely to lose in the first round.

So let’s not have any more of this nonsense about how there’s no real difference between having an average player starting on your team and a below-average player starting on your team. There is.

Juany8: I thought it was indefensible when I thought the Knicks were going to have both Lin and Felton, when picking one or the other it’s much harder to say which is right. Lin is a better player, but not by enough that trading him for Felton would make this team’s prospects any better. Lin’s simply not worth the contract he’s getting and I think part of the reason he got it in the first place is because Morey wasn’t sure he would get Harden. As far as the Brooks thing, considering both Beverly and Toney Douglas have gotten crunch time minutes for the Rockets this year, I’d say the Rockets are kicking the tires on point guards who could play well off Harden for extended periods. Rockets still better with Lin off the court…

Lin is significantly better than Felton defensively & offensively. Felton isn’t a starting PG Lin is a solid starting PG that is all there really is to it & we could have had both. And the same Douglas that got traded to Sacramento? McHale has also not played Omer Asik his best defender for some absurd reason in crunch time also. You yourself have said that McHale isn’t a great coach. And the Rockets are also bettter with harden off the floor as well & we all know that isn’t accurate.

and yeah, if you want to complain about something, 3 years each for Novak, Kidd and Camby all look pretty dreadful right now.

bobneptune: Felton WS/48 this season = .066

Lin WS/48 this season = .099

If that is a trivial difference, then I don’t know what to say.

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Re: Lin vs. Felton, IMO still way to early to judge. Knicks are in a funk right now, so every move they have made is going to look bad at this time. For example, how is the Novak signing looking these days?

Lin has played better than Felton this year and especially lately, no doubt about it. But twice the salary better? Twice the salary plus luxury tax better?

Also, you can’t just forget that Lin missed the end of the season and playoffs and optedd out of Olympic stuff, adding another level of risk to his signing. He’s stayed healthy, good for him. Felton has not, that’s his problem.

BigBlueAL:
No Melo or Chandler today.Not disappointed cause I want them to get healthy and at this point think they should sit out tomorrow too and be ready for Wed but it sure doesnt make me look forward to watching the game today.

I plan on watching college hoops. Today could get really ugly for the Knicks if the last couple of games are any indication.