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Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Mar 02 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Not Kidd-ing around: Woodson demotes point guard to bench role (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 06:42:11 GMT)
    Jason Kidd’s days as a starter may be over. Mike Woodson removed the struggling veteran from the starting lineup prior to last night’s 96-88 victory over the Washington Wizards and made Kidd the back-up point guard, the role Kidd expected to play when he signed a three year contract last July.

  • [New York Daily News] With LeBron looming, Knicks struggle but still stop Wizards (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 02:53:39 GMT)
    On Friday, the opponent was the Washington Wizards, a losing team with a young roster and an erratic point guard and yet the Knicks still struggled to hold them off. With a new starting lineup, the Knicks overcame a four-point fourth quarter deficit to defeat the Wizards, 96-88.

  • [New York Times] Lawson’s Jumper Lifts Nuggets Over Thunder 105-103 (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 07:42:12 GMT)
    Wilson Chandler tied his career high with 35 points and gladly watched Ty Lawson take the game-winning jumper.

  • [New York Times] Vasquez Leads Hornets Past Pistons 100-95 (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 05:33:13 GMT)
    As Greivis Vasquez dribbled along the perimeter in the final half-minute of a one-point game, he could only hope to overcome the memories of anti-clutch moments that have plagued the young Hornets.

  • [New York Times] Kanter (23 Points, 22 Rebounds) Leads Jazz in Rout (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 05:18:13 GMT)
    Enes Kanter had career highs with 23 points and 22 rebounds in a rare start, helping the Utah Jazz beat the Charlotte Bobcats 98-68 on Friday night to snap a three-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Heat Top Grizzlies for 13th Win in a Row (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 05:00:33 GMT)
    LeBron James endured his worst shooting night of the season, and still delivered the biggest basket of the game.

  • [New York Times] Suns Win 3rd Straight, Snap Hawks’ 4-Game Streak (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 04:54:09 GMT)
    Marcus Morris tied his career high with four 3-pointers, in five attempts, and scored 16 points in his fifth game with Phoenix, helping the Suns win their third in a row with a 92-87 victory over the Atlanta Hawks on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Beat Kings but Lose Parker to Ankle Injury (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 04:42:35 GMT)
    DeJuan Blair scored 16 points off the bench to pace eight players in double figures, and the San Antonio Spurs overcame the loss of Tony Parker to beat the Sacramento Kings 130-102 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Joe Johnson Back for Nets (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 04:38:39 GMT)
    Nets guard Joe Johnson returned to the lineup Friday against the Dallas Mavericks after a three-game absence due to a left heel injury.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 96, Wizards 88: Knicks Defeat Wizards With Help of Carmelo Anthony (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 04:35:37 GMT)
    To outlast the Wizards, the Knicks leaned on Carmelo Anthony for scoring and their defense to contain John Wall.

  • [New York Times] Magic Johnson Dangles $1 Million Carrot for LeBron Dunks (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 04:27:02 GMT)
    Earvin ‘Magic’ Johnson will boost prizemoney for the NBA dunk contest from $100,000 to $1 million if LeBron James took part, the five-times NBA champion said on Friday.

  • [New York Times] Mavericks 98, Nets 90: Nets Fall Short Against the Mavericks (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 03:56:48 GMT)
    Deron Williams tried mightily against the team that courted him in the off-season, but the Nets had dug themselves into too deep a hole.

  • [New York Times] Pierce Scores 26, Celtics Beat Warriors 94-86 (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 03:54:23 GMT)
    Paul Pierce had 26 points, Jeff Green scored 14 of his 18 in the second half and the Boston Celtics overcame foul trouble and some erratic free throw shooting in a 94-86 victory over the Golden State Warriors on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Mavericks Hold On to Beat Nets 98-90 (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 03:51:32 GMT)
    Dirk Nowitzki and former Nets guard Vince Carter each scored 20 points, and the Dallas Mavericks avoided another late collapse by holding off Brooklyn 98-90 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Essay: When College Basketball Fans Storm Court, Ritual Trumps Peril (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 03:26:44 GMT)
    Duke Coach Mike Krzyzewski was critical of the risk to his team after Virginia fans stormed the court on Thursday, but the phenomenon is on the rise.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Clobber Cavaliers 105-89 (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 03:21:17 GMT)
    Jamal Crawford scored 24 points, making a pair of 3-pointers in the fourth quarter, and Chris Paul had 15 assists as the Los Angeles Clippers ran away in the final period and beat the Cavaliers 105-89 on Friday night for their first win in Cleveland since 2002.

  • [New York Times] George Leads Pacers to 93-81 Win Over Raptors (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 03:00:44 GMT)
    Paul George had 22 points and 10 rebounds, David West had 15 points and 11 rebounds, and the Indiana Pacers beat the Toronto Raptors 93-81 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Rockets Rally in 4th to Outlast Magic, 118-110 (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 03:00:36 GMT)
    James Harden scored 24 points, and Chandler Parsons and Carlos Delfino added 21 apiece as the Houston Rockets rallied in the fourth quarter for a 118-110 victory over the Orlando Magic on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Anthony’s 30 Points Help Knicks Beat 96-88 (Sat, 02 Mar 2013 02:51:50 GMT)
    Even if the New York Knicks were looking ahead to their game against the Miami Heat, Carmelo Anthony made sure his team still picked up a victory over the Washington Wizards along the way.

  • 44 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Mar 02 2013)

    1. danvt

      There was an article about the Prigioni, Stat, Chandler, JR, Novak lineup in NYT. I thought to myself. Wow, what a concept, a PG, a PF, a C, a SG, and a SF.

      So, now we have a new starting lineup. We replaced PG, former PG, SG, SF, and C. With PG, SG, SG, SF, and C. We have one shooting guard that can shoot and the two that start, and the former PG that did start (and got 27 minutes anyway) don’t shoot most of the time.

      I might get on board with White at the 3 but only if he actually produces something on the offensive end. Otherwise, it’s time to get our good players on the court together. That means, STAT, Melo, JR, Felton and Chandler. Then we should bring in another three or four guys to hold the fort, play defense, hopefully keep the +/- reasonable, and, most importantly, play a complete game. You can’t send a guy in with instructions not to play a certain aspect of the game.

      Not only are our rotations ineffective but we’re not developing young players correctly. They’re out of position, their roles are circumscribed, and there’s no chance that they’ll feel comfortable enough to make other teams strategize differently. Hence, the book is out on NYK. Teams know how to beat us.

    2. EB

      danvt: Not only are our rotations ineffective but we’re not developing young players correctly. They’re out of position, their roles are circumscribed, and there’s no chance that they’ll feel comfortable enough to make other teams strategize differently. Hence, the book is out on NYK. Teams know how to beat us.

      What young players? You mean Shump? He plays a wing and can’t do anything on offense any way.

    3. danvt

      EB: What young players?

      White. If he’s in he has to attack. Shump = same. You just can’t ride Melo and ask everyone else to only defend. Christ, let Chandler take one from foul line distance. Just mix it up, coach.

    4. AvonBarksdale

      I’ll be at the game Sunday, i wonder what version of this seasons knicks team will be there…

    5. danvt

      AvonBarksdale:
      I’ll be at the game Sunday, i wonder what version of this seasons knicks team will be there…

      I think it’ll be a motivated bunch of Bockers and I expect that the game will be close for a while. I just think the Heat are on another planet, right now. Knicks are better than what they showed against IND but not top three in a weak conference and MIA is on a historic trajectory. Even if we get the best “version” of this years bunch and we win it probably won’t matter in the long run.

      But, Hey, there’s 2007 NYG right? Maybe, maybe, but something has got to change. We need this years Jlin. Kidd must defy age, Shump must grow up, we must unwrap the sarcophagus of Camby and he must rise to life.

    6. mr.JayP

      Considering we’ve been struggling on O.

      Why has white started instead of Copeland who can shoot a 3 ball reasonably well ?

    7. jon abbey

      mr.JayP:

      Why has white started instead of Copeland who can shoot a 3 ball reasonably well ?

      because like most of the team, he is terrible at the other end of the floor.

      this is what I talked about in the offseason, so many guys who are good at one end and awful at the other, it would take a fantastic coaching job to get the most out of them, and I’m not sure Woodson’s quite that good.

      and am I the only one who watches Chandler on offense and laughs to myself every single game about THCJ calling him one of the ten best offensive players in the league? he has stopped even looking at the basket unless he is right at the rim, it really hurts the team.

    8. lavor postell

      jon abbey:

      because like most of the team, he is terrible at the other end of the floor.

      this is what I talked about in the offseason, so many guys who are good at one end and awful at the other, it would take a fantastic coaching job to get the most out of them, and I’m not sure Woodson’s quite that good.

      and am I the only one who watches Chandler on offense and laughs to myself every single game about THCJ calling him one of the ten best offensive players in the league? he has stopped even looking at the basket unless he is right at the rim, it really hurts the team.

      The worst is when a guard will get switched onto Tyson and he has the ball 5 feet from the rim and will throw it back out to the perimeter with no intention of trying to repost. Clyde always sounds so sad when he does this.

    9. jon abbey

      that is bad, but there was one I think last night where he got the ball with his back to the basket five feet away, was totally unguarded, and still didn’t even look at the basket before throwing it back out to the perimeter.

    10. DRed

      jon abbey:
      that is bad, but there was one I think last night where he got the ball with his back to the basket five feet away, was totally unguarded, and still didn’t even look at the basket before throwing it back out to the perimeter.

      Clyde made fun of him for that. You’d like him to at least look to see if there’s a way for him to score.

    11. jon abbey

      it never even crosses his mind, which is evidently what makes him one of the ten best offensive players in the league. :)

    12. mr.JayP

      I totally remember that from the last game. He caught the basket and passed it out. He left me screaming at the TV.

      Is it unreasonable to think that if he were to turn more into an offensive player with his existing skill set, he could average 15-17pts a game ? Our offense is struggling so any help would be appreciated.

      I know cope is horrible at the other end of the floor. But starting him would help space the floor for everyone else to operate. It’s a give or take at this point. I rather see Cope in their. Too bad Woodson is a tight ass with his line ups.

    13. lavor postell

      I just don’t understand how you can play basketball your entire life as a 7 footer and not have any semblance of a post game

    14. ruruland

      mr.JayP: I totally remember that from the last game. He caught the basket and passed it out. He left me screaming at the TV. Is it unreasonable to think that if he were to turn more into an offensive player with his existing skill set, he could average 15-17pts a game ? Our offense is struggling so any help would be appreciated. I know cope is horrible at the other end of the floor. But starting him would help space the floor for everyone else to operate. It’s a give or take at this point. I rather see Cope in their. Too bad Woodson is a tight ass with his line ups.

      There’s no doubt he could average over 15 points a game if he ‘d be willing to take 3-4 post shots (where even as a below average post player there’s plenty of benefit) 1-2 wide open jump-shots and 1-2 drive face-up attempts.

      Synergy will soon definitively resolve the usage mystery for the stats community, as each attempt can roughly be measured against opportunity cost (vis-à-vis all the variables of each shot situation, contest, area, play, time on shot clock, players on floor, defenders on floor, position of offense and defense and more).

      And once that happens, we can start to evaluate decision making-and floor skills value, even latent skills that are respected by defense(floor spacing, shot creation, skill effect).

      That’s when Berri and his friends find other things to do.

    15. ruruland

      lavor postell: I just don’t understand how you can play basketball your entire life as a 7 footer and not have any semblance of a post game

      Before he became a master in the roll the three teams he played on before would give him a few post-ups every game. That can be verified on Hoop Data and Synergy.

      He wasn’t a good post player, but he is able to drop his shoulder and shoot a right-handed hook over a guard from three feet away instead of passing it back out to the perimeter with 10 seconds on the clock (with his screening taken out of the scenario) inducing a very low efficiency deep isolation off-dribble contested shot against an awaiting defense.

    16. BigBlueAL

      jon abbey:
      that is bad, but there was one I think last night where he got the ball with his back to the basket five feet away, was totally unguarded, and still didn’t even look at the basket before throwing it back out to the perimeter.

      Ewing wouldve looked to score :-)

    17. danvt

      ruruland: but he is able to drop his shoulder and shoot a right-handed hook over a guard from three feet away

      He’s shoots foul shots well. He has enough range to take the MIA defense by surprise. Even if his % suffers the team might benefit.

    18. mr.JayP

      danvt: He’s shoots foul shots well.He has enough range to take the MIA defense by surprise.Even if his % suffers the team might benefit.

      Thats what im saying, its not like your losing anything by having go to the line. My online concerns would be: Offensive Fouls, Tech’s and obviously injuries.

      The games were he has had an offensive style, he would score a good amount. I believe it was a game against brooklyn where he was actively looking for his shot.

      i think on that starting unit having ty come out shooting would def. be a help and draw attention away from melo.

    19. mr.JayP

      mr.JayP: Thats what im saying, its not like your losing anything by having him go to the line. My only concerns would be: Offensive Fouls, Tech’s and obviously injuries.

      The games were he has had an offensive style, he would score a good amount. I believe it was a game against brooklyn where he was actively looking for his shot.

      i think on that starting unit having ty come out shooting would def. be a help and draw attention away from melo.

      does this site have an editing option for our posts? lol i can get a little lazy on reviewing my posts before i hit that send button.

    20. Glew

      I also don’t get why Shumpert and Kidd don’t just take a few steps in from the 3 point line instead of shooting a 3 that they are not going to make. I think their misses ruin any flow/rhythm to our offense. Also, their bricks often lead to fast breaks for the other team. Against a team like the heat this will destroy us. I think the consistent 3 pt attempts/misses by those two are hurting the team more than Chandler’s lack of offense. At least Chandler puts himself in position for a tap out or O board.

    21. Glew

      “We’re not expecting Jason to sit out there and make 3s. That’s not his role on the team.” -Carmelo

      “In warmups, I feel great; they all go in,” Kidd said. “You just keep shooting it.”

      Seems to me he just sits on the 3 pt line when hes in the game with Felton and shoots so not exactly sure what Carmelo is talking about. Granted, Kidd did have a few nice skip passes last night. But he’s got to at least try to take a few steps in and see if that could improve his shooting percentage. I noticed it last night that its a pretty major issue because one defender can pretty much split the difference and guard both him and JR beyond the arc. While another can roam the paint and double Melo or whoever.

    22. Glew

      A little more slack can be cut for Shumpert. His shots look good and many of them just rim out but again why not take a step in and see if you can hit that shot if you are wide open.

    23. dogrufus

      Glew:
      I also don’t get why Shumpert and Kidd don’t just take a few steps in from the 3 point line instead of shooting a 3 that they are not going to make. I think their misses ruin any flow/rhythm to our offense. Also, their bricks often lead to fast breaks for the other team. Against a team like the heat this will destroy us. I think the consistent 3 pt attempts/misses by those two are hurting the team more than Chandler’s lack of offense.At least Chandler puts himself in position for a tap out or O board.

      And what makes you think they’ll be vasty more efficient from there? The NBA shoots about the same percentage from 20 feet as from 24, and it’s not going to be a more efficient shot unless they’re hitting it 50% more often (they won’t)

    24. jon abbey

      Brooklyn up 15-4 on Chicago early, looking increasingly likely we will draw Chicago or Boston in the first round, 1-4 against those two so far.

    25. jon abbey

      that last post was Juany8-esque in its prematureness, Brooklyn’s lead didn’t even survive the first quarter. I should say/should have said that it seems almost certain that our first round opponent will be one of ATL/CHI/BKN/BOS, hopefully ATL.

    26. ess-dog

      jon abbey:
      that last post was Juany8-esque in its prematureness

      I love how Abbey has to throw a blindside haymaker at another poster, even when correcting himself.

      Knowing our luck, we’ll draw Boston. My preference is Brooklyn, and they might just oblige thanks to some crappy play.

    27. jon abbey

      ruruland:
      Our first round opponent will likely be a team from the east.

      one of those four, it’s hard to figure out a pairing where we meet MIA or IND or MIL. us dropping to 7 would I guess would be the most likely, and even at my most pessimistic, I don’t see that.

    28. ruruland

      jon abbey: one of those four, it’s hard to figure out a pairing where we meet MIA or IND or MIL. us dropping to 7 would I guess would be the most likely, and even at my most pessimistic, I don’t see that.

      A couple of days ago you were talking about finishing WC trip near .500. I think you’re holding your breath until they get that x in the standings ;) Or perhaps y.

    29. ruruland

      ess-dog: I love how Abbey has to throw a blindside haymaker at another poster, even when correcting himself.Knowing our luck, we’ll draw Boston. My preference is Brooklyn, and they might just oblige thanks to some crappy play.

      The Knicks are not going to lose 4 games to the Celtics.

    30. Glew

      There absolutely are NBA players that shoot substancially better from a few feet in from the 3pt line compared to the 3. Off the top of my head its mostly pf’s. I just think that just staying stagnant beyond the arc and launching 3s. Kidd is shooting like 19 percent over his last 50 or so 3s. There has got to be another place on the floor he can shoot from

    31. massive

      If the Knicks have 2 of their guards shooting well (Kidd and Earl the Pipe, for example) and LeBron isn’t playing like Zeus, the Knicks can beat anyone in the East. I’m looking forward to seeing where we really stand against Miami. I like how we match up with them if we don’t turn the ball over. At that point, it comes down to making shots in a half court set (which we haven’t been good at lately).

    32. BigBlueAL

      Good tweet by Brian Mahoney:

      “Three home, 10 road games left this month for Nets. Locals still may get that NY-Brooklyn series, but it may be 3-6 or even 2-7.”

      At the very least we dont have to worry about blowing the Atlantic Division lol.

    33. jon abbey

      ruruland: A couple of days ago you were talking about finishing WC trip near .500. I think you’re holding your breath until they get that x in the standings ;) Or perhaps y.

      what I said two games ago (33-20) was that I had us around 3-9 in the next 12, so 36-29 coming back from the West Coast trip. Lee’s missing the GS game definitely helped there, nice effort in the 4th in WAS (who as I wrote, had beaten eight above .500 teams at home in a row before that), so we are off to a good start there. Irving’s still being out for the Monday game would help too.

      the division is looking safer, though, as Al said. Hollinger had us at 74 percent there before the BKN loss tonight.

    34. BigBlueAL

      Since the Atlantic Division was formed in the 1970-71 season can you believe the Knicks have only won the division 4 times?!?! That inaugural season, Pitino’s 1988-89 team and back-to-back seasons under Riley (1992-93 and 1993-94).

    35. Robtachi

      Anybody else feel like we are about to get ignominiously de-pantsed by the Heatsicles today?

    36. jon abbey

      of course I think that, I’m hoping that the early start time and hopefully a night of partying in Manhattan for the Heat will give us a shot, but they’ve got to be at least a bit pissed after the first two meetings.

    37. dogrufus

      Glew:
      There absolutely are NBA players that shoot substancially better from a few feet in from the 3pt line compared to the 3. Off the top of my head its mostly pf’s. I just think that just staying stagnant beyond the arc and launching 3s. Kidd is shooting like 19 percent over his last 50 or so 3s. There has got to be another place on the floor he can shoot from

      Generally those PFs shoot a lot of midrange shots and very few three point attempts. I guarantee if Al Horford took threes he’d hit them at an efficiency at least close to his long 2s.

      A big part of the reason some people shoot well from that range is that they’re given the shit since it’s the worst in basketball.

    38. Z-man

      dogrufus: A big part of the reason some people shoot well from that range is that they’re given the shit since it’s the worst in basketball.

      (Quote)

      I don’t agree that this is a big part of why people shoot well from that range. Players are generally not left open unless they are poor shooters or there is a breakdown.

      I agree with the part that the long 2 is statistically the worst shot in basketball, and I think the game is worse off for it, too many players are stagnant around the 3 pt line for my taste. The game was much more fun when only the specialists shot a lot of 3’s and long 2’s were a HUGE part of the game. If you watched those games, even most guards were not guarded until they were around 20 ft from the basket. (1980’s Celts-Lakers, e.g.)

    39. Z-man

      To finish the point, I think the court should be widened and the 3-pt line should be moved back to the point that the league-wide average (eFG%-wise) is lower than it is for 2’s. IMO, that would improve the game dramatically.

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