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Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Jun 30 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks point to Nash in free agency (Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:56:03 GMT)
    Steve Nash’s agent should expect a call from the Knicks just after midnight Saturday night, when the free agency madness officially begins.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Get Boost in Effort to Retain Lin With Bird Rights (Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:19:37 GMT)
    A settlement involving so-called Bird rights will allow the Knicks to exceed the N.B.A. salary cap to re-sign Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Lamar Odom Traded to Clippers (Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:30:08 GMT)
    Mo Williams will leave the Clippers and be reunited with the Utah Jazz as part of a four-team deal that will send Lamar Odom from Dallas back to Los Angeles.

  • [New York Times] Williams Returning to Jazz; Odom Heads to LA (Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:54:32 GMT)
    Mo Williams will be reunited with the Utah Jazz as part of a four-team deal that will send Lamar Odom back to Los Angeles for a second chance with the Clippers.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: A Homecoming, of Sorts, for a Kansas Star (Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:59:10 GMT)
    Kansas point guard Tyshawn Taylor, a Hoboken, N.J., native, was picked up by the Nets in the final N.B.A. draft before their move to Brooklyn.

  • [New York Post] Free-agent market calls for Linsanity (Sat, 30 Jun 2012 04:48:19 -0500)
    What is the market value for point guard Jeremy Lin? Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald can’t wait to find out now that Lin officially has his early Bird rights after the NBA dropped its appeal last night.
    According to people familiar with the Knicks’ strategy, Grunwald will be patient…

  • [New York Post] Agent: Papanikolaou will play for Knicks in a couple of years (Sat, 30 Jun 2012 04:29:27 -0500)
    Marc Cornstein, the New York-based agent for Greek small forward Kostas Papanikolaou, said he expects his client will play for the Knicks in 2013-14, despite a two-year contract with Olympiacos.
    “He definitely wants to play in the NBA, it’s a lifelong dream of his,” Cornstein told The Post. “He…

  • 18 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Jun 30 2012)

    1. ephus

      Garnett is returning to the Celtics, reportedly for 3 years/$34 million. Garnett reducing his salary to $10 million this year frees up a lot of cap space for Boston. If Garnett can play the next two seasons at his post-ASG level last year, the Celtics will again challenge for the first in the Atlantic.

      I expect that the Celtics will renounce their Bird Rights on Ray Allen to free up $15 million cap hold. Even with that, the Celtics still will not have enough room to make a max offer.

    2. 2FOR18

      ephus:
      Garnett is returning to the Celtics, reportedly for 3 years/$34 million.Garnett reducing his salary to $10 million this year frees up a lot of cap space for Boston.If Garnett can play the next two seasons at his post-ASG level last year, the Celtics will again challenge for the first in the Atlantic.

      I expect that the Celtics will renounce their Bird Rights on Ray Allen to free up $15 million cap hold.Even with that, the Celtics still will not have enough room to make a max offer.

      They’ll probably go after K Mart, making them even more of a pain in the ass to play. And Mayo if Allen leaves.

    3. ephus

      I would not be surprised if the Celtics also bring Pietrus back. I also think the Celtics would compete for backup PGs. I do not know if they could get away with Rondo/Nash/Bradley as a three guard rotation because Nash and Rondo would have difficulty guarding big SGs, but they will have the $$$ to make it happen if they want.

    4. ess-dog

      I don’t think K Mart has much to offer at this point in his career.

      Also, I’m far from the biggest JR Smith fan, but he’s definitely better than Mayo.

      Do you think there’s any way we can afford Ilyasova? He would be an ideal backup forward for us. I would consider not picking up Novak and/or Fields if it helped to get Ilyasova.

      If we could keep Lin and Smith and get somehow get Ilyasova and Delonte West, that would be a great rotation.

      I don’t think Kidd or Nash or even Ray Felton is happening. They can all get more $$.

    5. jon abbey

      Ilyasova is going to get big bucks somewhere, so no.

      I am rooting for Kidd for the $3M deal, I think, assuming they can get Lin/Novak/Smith to all come back.

    6. johnlocke

      I’d rather have Felton and Foye if Kidd can’t be gotten at the vet minimum…Foye or Allen for $3M, Felton for vet minimum. I like Kidd, but he’s 39 w/o upside and also detracts from our ability to get a quality starting 2 guard to fill in for Shump.

      jon abbey:
      Ilyasova is going to get big bucks somewhere, so no.

      I am rooting for Kidd for the $3M deal, I think, assuming they can get Lin/Novak/Smith to all come back.

    7. alsep73

      Maybe we should look at it this way: we have the ability to re-sign Lin, Novak and Smith if all three want to return (Lin doesn’t have a choice, but it sounds like he wants to be back), to keep Fields assuming no one makes a big offer for him, to sign one notable free agent for the $3 million mini-midlevel, and then to fill out the remaining roster with vet minimum guys. So assuming we don’t make any trades (say, TDDWTDD’s expiring, Gadzuric’s non-guaranteed expiring, and one of Jorts and Jordan), and assuming all four of the above return, we would already have a roster featuring:

      Carmelo Anthony
      Tyson Chandler
      Amar’e Stoudemire
      Landry Fields
      Jeremy Lin
      Josh Harrelson
      Jerome Jordan
      Steve Novak
      J.R. Smith
      Toney Douglas
      Iman Shumpert (out til at least January)
      Dan Gadzuric

      Looking at that roster, we definitely need another point guard. Depending on both Jared Jeffries’ health/availability and the coaching staff’s belief in Jorts and/or Jordan, we may need another back-up big man. Depending on our faith in Shumpert’s recovery and/or TDDWTDD ability to return from the abyss, we could possibly use an upgrade at shooting guard.

      But that’s 12 guys right there, and 13 if Jeffries comes back for the vets min. It may be that one or both of Novak and J.R. leaves, but if not, we’ve got one spot for a $3 million player and 1 or 2 (or 3 if we cut Gadzuric) for the minimum.

      So are we more likely to get a strong back-up point guard for the mini-midlevel and acceptable filler at shooting guard and the frontcourt for the vets minimum, or would we be better off trying to get a big man or shooter for $3 mil and assume someone better than Mike Bibby will be willing to back up Lin for the minimum?

    8. johnlocke

      Dan Gadzuric is 100% not coming back, Toney Douglas is most likely being moved…Jeffries may be resigned for vet min depending on knee, so I think we’re OK in the backcourt with Jeffries/some other vet min big, Jorts, Chandler, Melo, Amare, and an improved Jordan. We need a 2 guard that can actually shoot or potentially a knock down jump-shooting PG (Nash is the only one available and he’s too expensive). So I think we should spend the $3M MLE on a SG and get a vet minimum PG. Believe there are more potential quality vet min PGs then vet min SGs in the market right now

      alsep73:

      Carmelo Anthony
      Tyson Chandler
      Amar’e Stoudemire
      Landry Fields
      Jeremy Lin
      Josh Harrelson
      Jerome Jordan
      Steve Novak
      J.R. Smith
      Toney Douglas
      Iman Shumpert (out til at least January)
      Dan Gadzuric

      Looking at that roster, we definitely need another point guard. Depending on both Jared Jeffries’ health/availability and the coaching staff’s belief in Jorts and/or Jordan, we may need another back-up big man. Depending on our faith in Shumpert’s recovery and/or TDDWTDD ability to return from the abyss, we could possibly use an upgrade at shooting guard.

      But that’s 12 guys right there, and 13 if Jeffries comes back for the vets min. It may be that one or both of Novak and J.R. leaves, but if not, we’ve got one spot for a $3 million player and 1 or 2 (or 3 if we cut Gadzuric) for the minimum.

      So are we more likely to get a strong back-up point guard for the mini-midlevel and acceptable filler at shooting guard and the frontcourt for the vets minimum, or would we be better off trying to get a big man or shooter for $3 mil and assume someone better than Mike Bibby will be willing to back up Lin for the minimum?

    9. Frank

      I like the idea of getting Kidd also, especially as a mentor for Lin, but I think he’s more like a vet’s minimum guy at this point of his career. His #s have taken a precipitous drop in the last 1-2 seasons, and it’s not going to get better. If we’re going to spend the mini-MLE on a PG or SG I’d rather have someone like Kirk Hinrich, who also is probably past his best days but can play both PG/SG, and still can shoot 40% from 3, run an offense if forced to, and defend.

    10. alsep73

      DRed:
      Dan Gadzuric was on the Knicks?

      Still is, technically. Grunwald put a second, non-guaranteed year on his contract, which allows him to use the guy as a trade chip to a team that is looking to dump salary. If Douglas is moved, he’ll almost certainly be moved with Gadzuric.

    11. ess-dog

      I still think Kidd can play well enough for a contender, but I think he can get the full midlevel for 2 years somewhere. For 3 mil I think we’re looking at Delonte/Hinrich types. Or maybe we can trade TD or Fields for someone like Earl Watson. Maybe we can figure out a trade for Ridnour?

    12. KnickfaninNJ

      We all keep assuming cap size will stay where it is. But it might actually go up. The season was better than expected. And the Knicks ticket price hike should add significantly to league revenue FTP ;)

    13. BigBlueAL

      Ric Bucher reporting Kidd will sign with whoever Derron Williams sings with (either Nets or Mavs) to be his backup since apparently they are bootie partners.

    14. Ted Nelson

      ess-dog: Also, I’m far from the biggest JR Smith fan, but he’s definitely better than Mayo.

      I’d call it about even. Maybe Smith has more talent, but he plays like a total moron. His TS% should be close to .600 with his talent, but it’s close to .500 because he has no idea how to play basketball. I really hate watching him and Melo play, which is why I don’t really follow the Knicks religiously anymore. I hated watching the ’00s teams, but for some reason I was always waiting for it to get better. Now it’s supposed to be better and the roster seems pretty locked in for a while… and they shoot themselves in the foot constantly by playing like idiots.

      If Mayo played in an offense that allowed his to take a higher % of his shots from outside he could probably be more efficient.

      johnlocke: Toney Douglas is most likely being moved

      Not sure he’d bring much back right now. I think the best move is probably to hold for this season and see if he turns his career around. The talent is there.

    15. jon abbey

      well, Smith would be $2.8M tops, Mayo I think will get at least the full midcap.

      Jameer Nelson opting out of a $7.9M option makes me nervous about how much money agents think will be flying around.

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