Statistical Analysis. Humor. Knicks.

Saturday, November 1, 2014

Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Jun 08 2013)

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Liberty Clobbered in Atlanta (Sat, 08 Jun 2013 03:26:54 GMT)
    Angel McCoughtry had 15 points and the undefeated Atlanta Dream took control with 12 consecutive points in the third quarter to beat the visiting Liberty, 75-56.    

  • [New York Times] Spurs’ Stinginess With the Ball Draws Generous Attention (Sat, 08 Jun 2013 02:03:42 GMT)
    A day after San Antonio committed only four turnovers in a Game 1 victory, the Spurs and the Heat talked about the importance of taking care of the ball.    

  • 41 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Jun 08 2013)

    1. Donnie Walsh

      Though I don’t understand the “Prigphony” moniker at all, I accept that it’s your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

      But PLEASE stop posting links to the Bkeacher Report here, as if the content they produce adds to any discussion on this site. That site is for Knickerbloggers go to for news after their lobotomies, not before.

    2. Unreason

      Vinny L.:
      Bye Bye Prigiphony

      “Ranking New York Knicks’ Best Options to Back Up Raymond Felton at Point Guard”

      By Ciaran Gowan on June 7, 2013

      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1664357-ranking-new-york-knicks-best-options-to-back-up-raymond-felton-at-point-guard

      It’s clear that you don’t actually live under a bridge and carry an enormous wooden club or you’d know that BR links will get no one’s goat here.

      FWIW I thought Prigs played well for the Knicks and hope he returns. A speedier pg with better penetrate and dish skills would be a nice addition, though, both as another back up to Felton and for the 2 pg back court units that worked well for much of the season.

    3. Frank

      Not really sure what Vinny’s problem is with Prigioni. I think the general consensus here (and everywhere) is that he didn’t get enough playing time. His plus minus numbers are unreal. We would probably have been in the ECFs if Woodson had given him all of Kidd’s minutes.

    4. Brian Cronin

      Man, Bleacher Report kills me because when I’m actually trying to search for news for stuff, I keep getting worthless Bleacher Report articles. I even signed into Google just to make it so that my searches don’t bring back anything from Bleacher Report and they STILL sneak in there on occasion.

      But that’s an aside. The main point is that Prigs is good. Not only is he good, but the options to replace him are not very good. Heck, even that silly Bleacher Report article complimented Prigs.

    5. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      Man, Bleacher Report kills me because when I’m actually trying to search for news for stuff, I keep getting worthless Bleacher Report articles. I even signed into Google just to make it so that my searches don’t bring back anything from Bleacher Report and they STILL sneak in there on occasion.

      But that’s an aside. The main point is that Prigs is good. Not only is he good, but the options to replace him are not very good. Heck, even that silly Bleacher Report article complimented Prigs.

      Deadspin is starting to change their model to be more like BR, too. It’s a (short-term) killer for us sports journos.

    6. Donnie Walsh

      Linking Bleacher Report should be a bannable offense. It’s the only way to universally offend every single Knickerblogger reader all at once.

    7. flossy

      flossy:
      http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9355094/milwaukee-bucks-make-monta-ellis-3-year-36-million-offer-report-says?autostart=false

      LOLOL

      http://www.brewhoop.com/2013/6/7/4407446/monta-ellis-turned-down-extension-schroeder-struggled-in-workout

      Oh wait and he turned it DOWN?! Am I taking crazy pills? In what universe does a GM think Monta is worth $12m/per for three years, and Monta himself thinks he’s worth even more?? Somewhere JR Smith has started googling “Milwaukee + club scene”

    8. KnickfaninNJ

      the CBA requires that many rookies and players with not many years in the league be underpaid. It also has a maximum salary so some players, like Lebron are underpaid. I am referring to being underpaid relative to talent, not market value. But since there is also a total salary minimum that is 80% of the cap or so, it follow mathematically that some players will be overpaid! Ellis is a good candidate for that. He was the Bucks leading scorer and he’s neither under rookie or early year exceptions nor a max player. And the offer was just an extension of his current contract with some raises in it but not gigantic ones. (gigantic being relative, I’d love either a 20% raise or a extra million dollars a year)

    9. Juany8

      Monta isn’t as bad a player as most people make him out to be, but he’s not worth $12 million, and milwakee is an awful fit for him. Surprised he turned it down though, either he knows something we don’t or he has a very high opinion of himself

    10. flossy

      I’d maybe offer Monta something like 3 years, $18-21 million, if I were the GM of a team (like Detroit, maybe) that badly needed shot creation on the perimeter. Average to slightly-above-average salary seems fair. 3 years, $36 million is insane.

    11. Brian Cronin

      Monta isn’t as bad a player as most people make him out to be, but he’s not worth $12 million, and milwakee is an awful fit for him. Surprised he turned it down though, either he knows something we don’t or he has a very high opinion of himself

      Ellis definitely has some strong skills. His problem is that he’s best used as a secondary player but his skills are the ones that get players a ton of money and starring roles on decent but not great teams.

    12. massive

      Remember when Golden State booed management for turning Monta Ellis into Andrew Bogut? Monta Ellis is truly not worth the money he’s going to get paid. Like not at all.

    13. Brian Cronin

      I just hope for Ellis’ sake that he’ll be able to end up on a good team later in his career as a bench scorer. He would excel at that. Like Jason Terry on Dallas back in 2011.

    14. DRed

      Brian Cronin:
      I just hope for Ellis’ sake that he’ll be able to end up on a good team later in his career as a bench scorer. He would excel at that. Like Jason Terry on Dallas back in 2011.

      Terry was second in minutes on the Mavs that season. He wasn’t just a bench scorer. That’s not what you want Ellis for. He sucks at basketball. I get what you’re saying when you say he has certain skills, but for him to be useful you’d have to get him to somehow accept a limited role where he was only allowed to do the things he was good at.

      Anyone have any idea why Elllis was so much more efficient in 2007-2008? Whatever he was doing that year is what he needs to do more of in the future, because tossing up bricks and turning it over all the time isn’t how you win games. Although I guess Monta’s going to wind up laughing at me from on top of a huge pile of cash-so what do I know.

    15. DRed

      In retrospect, it’s pretty fucking amazing that Jason Kidd lead an NBA championship winning team in minutes played only 2 years ago.

    16. flossy

      DRed: Terry was second in minutes on the Mavs that season.He wasn’t just a bench scorer.That’s not what you want Ellis for.He sucks at basketball.I get what you’re saying when you say he has certain skills, but for him to be useful you’d have to get him to somehow accept a limited role where he was only allowed to do the things he was good at.

      Anyone have any idea why Elllis was so much more efficient in 2007-2008?Whatever he was doing that year is what he needs to do more of in the future, because tossing up bricks and turning it over all the time isn’t how you win games.Although I guess Monta’s going to wind up laughing at me from on top of a huge pile of cash-so what do I know.

      He was never quite the same after the moped accident.

    17. Juany8

      DRed:
      In retrospect, it’s pretty fucking amazing that Jason Kidd lead an NBA championship winning team in minutes played only 2 years ago.

      I had a lot of hope at the start of the year that Kidd would be awesome in the playoffs. Painful way to end a career, if he had been even decent the Knicks might have made the playofds

    18. ruruland

      Juany8: I had a lot of hope at the start of the year that Kidd would be awesome in the playoffs. Painful way to end a career, if he had been even decent the Knicks might have made the playofds

      You ok?

      Knicks might have made the playofds?

    19. ruruland

      DRed: Terry was second in minutes on the Mavs that season.He wasn’t just a bench scorer.That’s not what you want Ellis for.He sucks at basketball.I get what you’re saying when you say he has certain skills, but for him to be useful you’d have to get him to somehow accept a limited role where he was only allowed to do the things he was good at.

      Anyone have any idea why Elllis was so much more efficient in 2007-2008?Whatever he was doing that year is what he needs to do more of in the future, because tossing up bricks and turning it over all the time isn’t how you win games.Although I guess Monta’s going to wind up laughing at me from on top of a huge pile of cash-so what do I know.

      Well, the year he set his mark in efficiency, his assisted basket rate was high, and his usage was the lowest of his career .

      How many times do we see that? Lowest or lower usage of a data set and an inverse reflection in efficiency?

      What that means, via Hoop Data, is that he wasn’t chasing nearly as many 3-pointers or mid-range shots.

      Should he be chasing those shots in general? No. But it’s easier not to when you play on a team like he played on ’07 — the team that beat Dallas in the first round.

      He was also playing in a usage environment where three teammates averaged around 24 percent of their team’s possessions, and only one player had a usage below 15 among guys who played over 1,oo minutes.

      So, yeah, in a role where he isn’t to be your primary or secondary scorer, he can still probably be very good. He’s an incredible athlete, great speed, and finishes at excellent rates for a guard.

      Unfortunately for the team’s he’s on, $12 million not only forces him to a load bearer, but eventually will kill his career.

    20. Brian Cronin

      So, yeah, in a role where he isn’t to be your primary or secondary scorer, he can still probably be very good. He’s an incredible athlete, great speed, and finishes at excellent rates for a guard.

      Unfortunately for the team’s he’s on, $12 million not only forces him to a load bearer, but eventually will kill his career.

      Yep, precisely.

    21. DRed

      Brian Cronin: Yep, precisely.

      Or you could not pay him 12 million. I’d rather have JR Smith, and I’m not exactly JR’s biggest fan. I don’t blame Ellis for taking the money, but it’s wild that GMs are still willing to pay that much for a guy just because he scores a lot of points. If you read the comments to Donne Wash’s articles link, the fans all know it’s a bad idea-why doesn’t the GM?

    22. Brian Cronin

      I should add, of course, that by “kill his career,” we of course mean on the court. Obviously making a shit ton of money for the next few years is nothing to be ashamed about on Ellis’ part.

    23. Owen

      Popovich on Lebron

      ”He’s a grown man,” Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. ”He doesn’t need any of you to tell him anything. He knows more than all of you put together. He understands the game. If he makes a pass and you all think he should have shot it, or he shoots it and you think he should have made a pass, your opinions mean nothing to him, as they should not mean anything to him.”

      While generally I dislike this kind of sentiment, hard to disagree in this case.

      Monta turned down 36? Crazy. Maybe he wanted four years. Still hard to imagine someone paying more.

    24. jon abbey

      and Owen, Popovich doesn’t really believe that, since it seems to not be clear to you. let me translate:

      “We live in fear that he will have four monstrous games like he did in game 6 against Boston last year, so sure, of course I’m happy that one of those didn’t come in game 1. do I want him to keep feeding his shitty teammates over taking over the game himself and fouling out Kawhi and anyone else I put on him? um, yes, that would be nice.”

    25. Juany8

      massive:
      Jason Kidd is pursuing the Brooklyn Nets’ head coaching job. That was fast.

      This is bad to say, but I would not be even a tiny bit surprised if Kidd is one of those players who is retiring with no real money from the NBA. He might be in serious need of a job lol

    26. jon abbey

      we couldn’t have done worse with Kidd coaching and Woodson coming off the bench during these playoffs. :)

      (obviously joking, but I do remember Woodson as having one of the sweetest jumpers I have ever seen back in the day)

    27. yellowboy90

      So can he actually turn down the 3 mil and end up on the NY coaching staff if he wanted too?

      I doubt he would do it but if he is interviewing for HC jobs but ends up as an assistant there shouldn’t be any red flags raised?

      I thinks he ends up on TV first.

    28. Brian Cronin

      So can he actually turn down the 3 mil and end up on the NY coaching staff if he wanted too?

      I doubt he would do it but if he is interviewing for HC jobs but ends up as an assistant there shouldn’t be any red flags raised?

      I thinks he ends up on TV first.

      Yeah, I think that would, indeed, work.

    Comments are closed.