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Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Feb 23 2013)

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Notes: Awful third; Gay's big day (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 00:31:51 EDT)
    The Knicks dropped a 100-98 heartbreaker to the Toronto Raptors at the Air Canada Centre on Friday thanks to a disaster of a third quarter and big contributions from Raptors Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry down the stretch. Losers of four straight, they are just one game up on the Brooklyn Nets for the top spot in the Atlantic Division.
    Rudy Gay’s big night: When the Knicks played the Raptors before the All-Star break, they held Gay to 11 points on 4-for-21 shooting.

  • [New York Times] Jack Powers Warriors Past Road-Weary Spurs (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:03:39 GMT)
    Jarrett Jack came off the bench to score 30 points as the Golden State Warriors rallied past the road-weary San Antonio Spurs for a 107-101 overtime victory on Friday.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Rally Past Spurs 107-101 in OT (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:01:10 GMT)
    Maybe these new-look Golden State Warriors are winners after all.

  • [New York Times] Kobe Scores 40, Lakers Hold Off Blazers 111-107 (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:57:50 GMT)
    Back on the court after days of mourning, the Los Angeles Lakers grinded out a gritty win thanks to a vintage performance from their biggest star.

  • [New York Times] Raptors 100, Knicks 98: Rudy Gay Lifts Raptors Over Knicks (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 05:28:23 GMT)
    The Knicks held a lead midway through the fourth period but lost their fourth straight game and fifth in their last six.

  • [New York Times] Rockets 106, Nets 96: Jeremy Lin and the Rockets Defeat the Nets (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 05:25:26 GMT)
    The Rockets outlasted the Nets, who were without Joe Johnson, in a game that was a sprint all the way to the end.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Josh Smith Leads Hawks Over Kings With Defense (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 05:20:39 GMT)
    Josh Smith, who remained in Atlanta after being discussed in possible trade talks, came through on defense to help the Hawks stop the Sacramento Kings and DeMarcus Cousins.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Snap 3-Game Skid, Beat Minnesota 127-111 (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 05:04:16 GMT)
    With All-Stars Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant leading the way, the Oklahoma City Thunder can outscore any team in the NBA on any given night.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Kenyon Martin and a Question of Trust (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 04:49:38 GMT)
    The Knicks need Kenyon Martin’s rebounding, defense and passion. But Martin, a veteran forward, has also been known to alienate those around him with his words.

  • [New York Times] Green Scores 31 Points as Celtics Rout Suns 113-88 (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 04:48:59 GMT)
    Jeff Green scored 31 points in his first start of the season and the short-handed Boston Celtics routed the Phoenix Suns 113-88 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Gasol Helps Grizzlies Past Magic 88-82 (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 04:09:54 GMT)
    Marc Gasol had 19 points and 13 rebounds, Zach Randolph added 16 points and 14 boards, and the Memphis Grizzlies beat the short-handed Orlando Magic 88-82 on Friday night for their sixth straight victory.

  • [New York Times] Farma Shows NBA Class in Efes Win (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 04:09:48 GMT)
    Former Los Angeles Lakers guard Jordan Farmar showed the benefits of his extensive NBA experience by giving Anadolu Efes Istanbul a thrilling 63-60 Euroleague win over the competition’s six-time winners CSKA Moscow on Friday.

  • [New York Times] Carter 3 Lifts Mavs Over Hornets, 104-100 (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 04:04:02 GMT)
    Vince Carter capped a 22-point performance with a 3-pointer that gave Dallas the lead with 6.5 seconds left, and the Mavericks held on for their third straight victory, 104-100 over the New Orleans Hornets on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Judge Clears Legal Hurdle to Seattle Basketball Stadium (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:39:38 GMT)
    A Seattle judge dismissed a lawsuit on Friday that sought to block plans to build a $490 million stadium south of downtown, clearing a major hurdle for an investor group aiming to bring back the city’s sorely missed basketball franchise.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Pull Away Late, Beat Kings 122-108 (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:18:46 GMT)
    Al Horford led Atlanta’s balanced scoring with 24 points and the Hawks overcame a slow start to beat the Sacramento Kings 122-108 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: For Kyrie Irving, a Milestone Week (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:12:21 GMT)
    Cleveland guard Kyrie Irving provided a glimpse of the future during All-Star weekend and his subsequent performances.

  • [New York Times] Rockets Beat Nets for 13th Straight Time, 106-96 (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:10:05 GMT)
    James Harden and Carlos Delfino each scored 22 points, and the Houston Rockets tied their longest winning streak against any opponent by beating the Brooklyn Nets for the 13th straight time, 106-96 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Rudy Gay Scores 32, Raptors Beat Knicks 100-98 (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:09:58 GMT)
    Rudy Gay scored a season-high 32 points, DeMar DeRozan had 18 and the Toronto Raptors beat New York 100-98 on Friday night, handing the slumping Knicks their season-worst fourth straight loss.

  • [New York Times] Wizards Nearly Blow Big Lead, Beat Nuggets 119-113 (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:06:44 GMT)
    The Washington Wizards put on one of their best offensive shows of the season Friday night, putting seven players in double figures while taking down another contending team with a 119-113 win over the Denver Nuggets.

  • [New York Times] West Helps Pacers Rout Pistons 114-82 (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:04:10 GMT)
    David West scored 18 points, George Hill had 15 and the surging Indiana Pacers beat the Detroit Pistons 114-82 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Balanced Scoring Leads Bulls Past Bobcats 105-75 (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:54:57 GMT)
    Taj Gibson scored 17 points on 8-of-11 shooting and the Chicago Bulls beat Michael Jordan’s Charlotte Bobcats 105-75 Friday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Melo struggles in 4th as Raptors hand Knicks fourth straight loss (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:04:12 GMT)
    With Carmelo Anthony struggling in the fourth quarter and Tyson Chandler missing a key free throw in with 21.4 seconds remaining, the Knicks losing streak reached a season-high four games as the Raptors hung on for a 100-98 victory.

  • [New York Post] Woodson criticizes Melo following loss to Raptors (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 06:12:04 -0500)
    TORONTO â?? Up is down. Down is up in the Knicks’ shattering world.
    After the Knicks suffered their season-high fourth straight loss last night in Toronto, coach Mike Woodson took Carmelo Anthony to task for not being aggressive enough offensively in the final minute as he was outdueled by Rudy Gay…

  • [New York Post] Anthony: Ex-teammate Martin an asset if â??locked in’ (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:50:50 -0500)
    TORONTO â?? Carmelo Anthony was concerned about Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald making a change to the roster, saying at one point, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”But the star forward couldn’t dispute a minor tinker at Thursday’s trade deadline because the Knicks, who have…

  • [New York Post] Lin-ning situation: Jeremy thriving with Rockets (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:39:42 -0500)
    It was only a year ago Jeremy Lin was at the center of the American sports universe, going from a player on the verge of being cut for a third time in a single season to scoring 38 points against Kobe Bryant and the Lakers in the span of a…

  • [New York Post] Slumping Knicks keep finding ways to lose (Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:07:35 -0500)
    TORONTO â?? Mike Woodson didn’t want to wait until today to view the final minutes of last night’s game against the Raptors at Air Canada Centre. Soon after Toronto had claimed a 100-98 victory, Woodson headed straight to the locker room and turned on the video to review the…

  • 36 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Feb 23 2013)

    1. Frank O.

      Jim Cavan said in his commentary last night: it appears that Lin is simply better than Ray Felton. He’s a more efficient scorer by a lot, and while his usage is less (20% v.24%) he scores only one less point per 36.
      Lin averages 1 assist more per 36, although he averages 1 turnover more per 36. Lin even rebounds better.
      And even with a mending knee, it appears Lin is more durable. Oh, and head to head, the Rockets own the Knicks, much as the Raptors do.
      And, BTW, these season averages include the for-Ray TORRID first 20 plus games or so, which means he’s been absolutely putrid lately.

      I make this point only because one of the main reasons the Knicks are playing poorly is Ray Felton.
      Last night our starting point guard played 33 minutes and got fewer than one assist every 10 minutes. He got to the line once.
      Meanwhile, Kyle Lowry and John Lucas (?!) seemed to make big plays and broke down the D consistently, as did DeRozen who easily backed Ray down into the paint.
      But we’ve been watching Ray get exploited by quick or big guards all season.
      Which leads me to JR. I hope all those who once thought JR should start are rethinking.
      The stats show Earl’s mind is on his pipe.
      His scoring efficiency is way below his career averages (TS% .495 v .538, eFG% .460 v .507), his usage is up (24.7 v 24), and, honestly, I would kill for Jamal Crawford circa 2007-2008, when we all killed him for his “volume scoring” and scoring inefficiency, and yet his efficiency was way better than Earl’s, while his usage was, in fact .1% LESS.

      What I am trying to say, what I have been saying for the past few days now, is it’s not a Melo problem. It’s not a Chandler problem. It’s certainly not an Amare problem.
      This team is struggling because it has a guard problem. When they win, it is because Melo and Amare and Chandler play out of their minds.
      We can say it’s switching, help D, poor shots. But in the end, it’s the guards people. They suck at both ends.

    2. Frank O.

      You’ll notice, I didn’t get into Jason Kidd. That’s because 1) I ran out of space, but more important 2) because comparatively his scoring efficiency is to die for v Ray and Earl (anyone as concerned as me about the fact that Ray and Earl are names often associated with serial killers?).
      I bitched a bit about Jason’s foot speed on D. But ruru rightfully pointed out that Kidd does a lot of good things on D. His defense of the passing lanes is superior. He strips shooters like few other players.
      But back to efficiency. Even with his recent shooting blight, Jason’s efficiency is embarrassingly better than both Ray and Earl the Pipe. With a TS% of .560 and an eFG% of .536, he’s way more efficient than R&E. He’s getting 2.3 steals per 36 v Earl’s and Ray’s steals per 36 of 2.7 COMBINED.
      But here’s the thing, and for some it’s good news:
      Pablo Prigioni is playing well enough to justify more minutes and a higher usage %.
      First, he’s the most efficient scorer in the back court (TS% .595, eFG% of .578), his per 36 assists are better than Ray’s (7.2 v 6.5), and his 3 pt average is 5 percentage points better than Ray’s.
      Of course, his usage is only 13%, and we all know that he’s not likely to sustain those efficiency numbers playing more against starters and more in general.
      Certainly this is not a guy that seeks his shot much to begin with, but is more likely to make his shot when he takes it.
      Which is perfect for a team that sports a starting front court of Chandler, Amare and Melo.
      Sure, you can’t run Pablo 40 minutes a night at 36. But certainly you can get 25 to 30 out of him. His defense is a concern, but the way Ray and Earl are playing D lately, I’m not sure the drop off is not eclipsed by his ability to get a lot more out of his front court and keep defenders honest with his scoring efficiency.
      If you nudge downward Ray’s minutes and increase Pablo’s minutes, I think you will see better play from the front court.

    3. Frank O.

      Now Iman. I have nothing.
      He’s coming back from a horrible knee injury. He is important to the Knicks future. We should be patient, control his minutes and protect him and his confidence because he is not about this year; he’s about years to come.
      He’s never been a great shooter; he’s about athleticism and effort,both of which suffer after a horrible knee injury.
      Keep working on his jump shot. Keep working on his range. Keep building strength, and do’t expect too much.
      He will need time.

    4. nicos

      You’re ignoring the fact that Kidd’s TS% since New Years is .437. His numbers still look okay because he got off to an insane start- he’s been terrible since then. Part of the reason the Knicks aren’t running the pnr so much is Kidd’s man is now slumping off enough to create more traffic at the top of the key and when he does get wide open shots he either bricks them or won’t pull the trigger and the Knicks have to reset the offense from scratch.
      He does do some some good things on defense but they don’t make up for his lack of foot speed. How many times has he gambled for a steal in transition knowing he can’t get back anyway, missed, and given up a layup? I’m also convinced that part of the reason that the Knicks switch so much on the perimeter is because Kidd can’t recover from being bumped on screens so Felton/JR just switch right away. Not saying the other guards haven’t stunk (though I think Felon’s been okay since coming back from the injury) just that Kidd has stunk every bit as much if not more.

    5. nicos

      For what it’s worth, since coming back from injury Felton’s numbers are almost identical to Lin’s season numbers- .530% TS, 19% usage, 26.6% assist, 17.9% TOV.

    6. PC

      The Knicks are a flawed team with a plethora of deficiencies on both offense and defense. But, the thing that scares me the most is how they are scoring now. All of their points seem to come from isolations and bad jumpers. Sometimes they get bailed out attacking the hoop one-on-one but that stuff won’t work. It works for other teams in the league because the one-on-one players they have (Miami, Clippers, etc) are playmakers making plays for others. Our one-one-one guys (Melo and JR and ot an extent Felton) are not threats to make plays for others. JR and Melo’s long jumpers make us a non-threat come playoff time. So easy for defenses to game plan for.

    7. jon abbey

      also it’s a bit amazing to me how one of the few best passers of all time so rarely makes anything but routine, predictable passes in the halfcourt. it’s to the point now where teams aren’t even worried about his passing skills and they jump the lane going for a steal.

    8. PC

      I don’t remember the finances last year and the order of who we signed – but isn’t it about whether Kidd and Felton are together over Lin and Felton? Was that possible? I don’t remember….ugh

      nicos: For what it’s worth, since coming back from injury Felton’s numbers are almost identical to Lin’s season numbers- .530% TS, 19% usage, 26.6% assist, 17.9% TOV.

    9. PC

      It’s amazing – he hasn’t made a “Jason Kidd” special pass in weeks.

      jon abbey: also it’s a bit amazing to me how one of the few best passers of all time so rarely makes anything but routine, predictable passes in the halfcourt. it’s to the point now where teams aren’t even worried about his passing skills and they jump the lane going for a steal.

    10. sidestep

      PC:
      It’s amazing – he hasn’t made a “Jason Kidd” special pass in weeks.

      Doesn’t seem like Kidd is trying for those passes though. More importantly, is there even enough body movement for passing opportunities like that to arise? Looks to me like Kidd mostly applies his court awareness to make sure Melo gets his touches; he seems keenly aware of where Melo is at all times. If Melo is on the 3 pt line, it’s automatic that Kidd will swing the ball to him. As far as feeding Melo in the post, I think Kidd does that better than the other guards.

      With the diminished passing opportunities that come with less movement lately, and him passing up even open shots, he really doesn’t contribute anything offensively.

    11. ruruland

      sidestep: Doesn’t seem like Kidd is trying for those passes though. More importantly, is there even enough body movement for passing opportunities like that to arise? Looks to me like Kidd mostly applies his court awareness to make sure Melo gets his touches; he seems keenly aware of where Melo is at all times. If Melo is on the 3 pt line, it’s automatic that Kidd will swing the ball to him. As far as feeding Melo in the post, I think Kidd does that better than the other guards.

      With the diminished passing opportunities that come with less movement lately, and him passing up even open shots, he really doesn’t contribute anything offensively.

      When the Knicks multiple screens and pick and rolls don’t result in an open shot or drive, it typically results in either Melo, JR or Felton creating with 8 seconds or less.

      This is pretty much how all NBA teams operate. If you turn off Breen, you’ll realize it’s not a ball movement problem, it’s mostly a not making shots problem.

    12. jon abbey

      when you consider that Martin will likely be taking Novak’s minutes at PF, there may never have been a bigger post toughness per minute (PTPM) personnel upgrade in league history. :)

    13. jon abbey

      also Woodson should start Amar’e tomorrow now that he has a third big man again, and let Chandler/Martin/Amar’e have most of the 96 C/PF minutes. Melo needs to go back to SF with this set of personnel, why would you insist on three guard lineups with this batch of meh?

      Chandler (36), Amar’e (12)
      Amar’s (20), Martin (16), Melo (12)
      Melo (24), Smith (12), Novak (12)
      Shumpert (24), Smith (16), Kidd (8)
      Felton (24), Prigioni (16), Kidd (8)

      that is a ten man rotation, you could also make an argument for a nine man and telling Kidd to go sit in a whirlpool for a few weeks.

    14. ruruland

      jon abbey:
      when you consider that Martin will likely be taking Novak’s minutes at PF, there may never have been a bigger post toughness per minute (PTPM) personnel upgrade in league history. :)

      haha
      I hope to God he takes Novak’s minutes.

    15. massive

      I’m shocked at how bad our guards’ shooting has been. But then again, with Kidd, Shumpert, and Felton as our guards, I shouldn’t be according to history. But JR’s shooting has been really bad. They step up and we win a lot more games. And I am not looking forward to Raymond Felton vs Jrue Holiday tomorrow night.

    16. Brian Cronin

      It should help a lot that Philly played Miami tonight (and lost). They should be tired tomorrow. Perfect time to get a win, especially as Brooklyn will likely lose to Memphis. It is amazing how quickly a lead can be extended just by a four-game losing streak, as the Knicks are now 6.5 games back of Miami. The Pacers are now a game ahead of the Knicks while actually being a game behind them in the loss column! Yes, they have somehow played four more games than the Knicks so far! Bizarre.

    17. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin:
      It should help a lot that Philly played Miami tonight (and lost). They should be tired tomorrow. Perfect time to get a win, especially as Brooklyn will likely lose to Memphis. It is amazing how quickly a lead can be extended just by a four-game losing streak, as the Knicks are now 6.5 games back of Miami. The Pacers are now a game ahead of the Knicks while actually being a game behind them in the loss column! Yes, they have somehow played four more games than the Knicks so far! Bizarre.

      Bulls also likely to lose since they play at OKC. So yeah a Knicks win coupled with losses by the Nets and Bulls would be as good a night as the Knicks have had in weeks.

    18. jon abbey

      I will never understand why Donnie Walsh took Jordan Hill over Ty Lawson, that is still haunting us.

    19. Brian Cronin

      I will never understand why Donnie Walsh took Jordan Hill over Ty Lawson, that is still haunting us.

      That was one of the most brutal Knick drafts ever. I love that we still have the transcript from our draft night chat. It is hilarious to look at to see us all excited about the slight chance that either Rubio or Curry would fall to the Knicks at #8 (since Minnesota took Jonny Flynn with the #5 pick). But then Minnesota took Rubio with #6 and Golden State took Curry with #7. Right after that gut puch, we all went into “Trade down and get Lawson!” mode…and it never happened. Ugh.

    20. Brian Cronin

      Bulls also likely to lose since they play at OKC. So yeah a Knicks win coupled with losses by the Nets and Bulls would be as good a night as the Knicks have had in weeks.

      Yeah, that’d be amazing. Maybe we can go really nuts and see Miami lose to Cleveland, too!

      By the way, losing to Washington is looking a lot less depressing. They just beat Denver and Houston on a back-to-back! Washington at home is no joke!

    21. jon abbey

      we didn’t need to trade down to get Lawson, this isn’t the NFL. take him right there at 8 and fill the decades long void of no good young PG in NY. ARGH.

    22. jon abbey

      I honestly wouldn’t even have minded if he had taken one of the other PGs available (Holiday, Jennings, Teague, etc), there, but there was absolutely no excuse not to take one of them at 8 in favor of Hill. just inconceivable to me, dereliction of duty from a native NY-er who should have better understood how badly NY yearned for competence at PG.

    23. Brian Cronin

      I disagree that they should have taken him at #8. Obviously, Lawson was worth a #8 pick, but you have to play the field. If Lawson is not getting picked at #8 no matter (and there was no way that he was getting picked below #14, no matter what), then why take him at #8 when you can trade down, get him and pick up another asset?

      That said, sure, if no team was willing to move up, then fair enough, bite the bullet and just take Lawson.

    24. Brian Cronin

      But yeah, really pretty much anyone would been better than Hill. Rarely do you see a #8 pick so obviously not going to be a good player. Well, amusingly enough, the Wolves made an even worse pick that draft. Jonny Flynn at #5?!?! Seriously?!?

    25. jon abbey

      if he’s the best player on the board when your pick comes up, it doesn’t matter where he is projected. I said that that night, and I will say it again now.

    26. ruruland

      Brian Cronin: Yeah, that’d be amazing. Maybe we can go really nuts and see Miami lose to Cleveland, too!

      By the way, losing to Washington is looking a lot less depressing. They just beat Denver and Houston on a back-to-back! Washington at home is no joke!

      Knicks 1-5 stretch:

      Wizards: Won 6/8 (defeated Clippers, Rockets, Nuggets, Nets, Bucks in Mil.)

      Clippers: healthy, won 5/6

      Toronto: Won 7/8, 8/11 (victories over Denver, Clippers, Pacers, Wizards)

      Indiana: Won 9/11 (victories over Miami, Atlanta, Chicago)

      I’m not going to add anything to that.

    27. flossy

      Why cry over Ty Lawson at this point? There’s a 110% chance he’d be a Rocket or Nugget by now anyway.

    28. d-mar

      ruruland: Knicks 1-5 stretch:

      Wizards: Won 6/8 (defeated Clippers, Rockets, Nuggets, Nets, Bucks in Mil.)

      Clippers: healthy, won 5/6

      Toronto: Won 7/8, 8/11 (victories over Denver, Clippers, Pacers, Wizards)

      Indiana: Won 9/11 (victories over Miami, Atlanta, Chicago)

      I’m not going to add anything to that.

      Knicks next 2 opponents, both playing on 2nd night of back to back, both struggling, so no excuses, period.

    29. Will the Thrill

      Well, unless they have an anomalously hot shooting game from the outside…….

      d-mar: Knicks next 2 opponents, both playing on 2nd night of back to back, both struggling, so no excuses, period.

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