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Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Dec 17 2011)

  • [New York Times] Knicks-Nets Could Be One Trade From New Rivalry (Sat, 17 Dec 2011 06:09:06 GMT)
    Even some of the Knicks say they would like to see the Nets land the pieces they need to restore their competitiveness.

  • [New York Times] Kobe Bryant’s Wife Files for Divorce (Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:09:25 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant’s wife, who stood by her husband when he was charged with sexual assault in 2003, filed for divorce on Friday from the Lakers star citing irreconcilable differences.

  • [New York Times] Jack Scores 24 Points, Hornets Beat Grizzlies (Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:48:44 GMT)
    Jarrett Jack scored 24 points, Quincy Pondexter and Emeka Okafor added 12 apiece and the New Orleans Hornets beat the Memphis Grizzlies 97-90 in a preseason game Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Irving Impressive, Cavaliers Beat Pistons 91-87 (Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:24:42 GMT)
    Kyrie Irving scored 21 points in his first exhibition game — including five free throws in the final minute — in the Cleveland Cavaliers’ 91-87 victory over the Detroit Pistons on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Beat Pacers 95-86 in Preseason Opener (Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:57:48 GMT)
    Derrick Rose and Luol Deng each scored 16 points to help the Chicago Bulls beat the Indiana Pacers 95-86 on Friday night in the preseason opener for both teams.

  • [New York Times] Similar 76ers Beat Wizards 103-78 in Exhibition (Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:36:35 GMT)
    With new 76ers owner Josh Harris sitting behind a baseline, Lou Williams scored 19 points and Philadelphia beat the cold-shooting and light-defending Washington Wizards 103-78 on Friday night before a sparse crowd in the first of two post-lockout exhibition games between the teams.

  • [New York Times] Basketball Star Kobe Bryant, Wife File for Divorce (Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:51:42 GMT)
    Basketball superstar Kobe Bryant of the Los Angeles Lakers and his wife Vanessa have filed for divorce after more than 10 years of marriage, citing irreconcilable differences, a representative for the couple said on Friday.

  • [New York Daily News] Shawneâ??s happy to Net better deal with New Jersey (Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:09:24 GMT)
    For Shawne Williams, it was just business. The former Knick said it was a difficult decision to jump to New Jersey, but after waiting for the Knicks to work their way down their free-agent check list, Williams said he chose the Nets simply because it was a better offer.

  • [New York Daily News] Dâ??Antoni: Knicks have what it takes to win title (Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:05:49 GMT)
    MIKE Dâ??ANTONI didnâ??t guarantee a parade down Broadway in June but the Knicks head coach says his team has improved enough that it â??should competeâ? for an NBA title.

  • [New York Post] Dâ??Antoni: Knicks ring â??reasonableâ?? this season (Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:49:43 -0500)
    Why not the Knicks?
    Coach Mike Dâ??Antoni didnâ??t dance around the issue yesterday of whether the Knicks are ready to win a championship this season following the mammoth acquisition of center Tyson Chandler.
    In his boldest statement of training camp, on the eve of their preseason opener against…

  • [New York Post] Amnesty victims Davis, Outlaw eyed for bench (Sat, 17 Dec 2011 06:13:19 -0500)
    The Knicks continue to take advantage of the new amnesty provision. They are pursuing sore-backed veteran point guard Baron Davis, who cleared waivers last night, and the club also is focused on pursuing forward Travis Outlaw, the Netsâ?? amnesty cut, if he clears tonight at 8, The Post has learned…

  • 53 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Dec 17 2011)

    1. Frank O.

      That the Knicks could “challenge” for a title is hardly news. Any team that makes the playoffs can challenge, as the ’99 Knicks showed. I think a lot would have to go right (limit injuries, back court competency, young players improving and producing, and an effective bench), for the Knicks to get to a final. I think Davis is less useful given the pace of this season if he is out 8-12 weeks, and backs take a long time to fully heel. Posey may we goodof the bench and frankly as much as WC loved NYC, he may want a shot with the Knicks. He’d be an ideal sixth man.

    2. danvt

      I think the signing of Chandler is the big story of this year, obviously. We’ll make the playoffs and win a round if everyone stays healthy. I’m glad Toney is still here and Jamal is not. I love Barea but, also, not in a swap for Douglas. I’m happy to have a good defensive PG. I like that we have a balanced roster with guys with differing skill sets. The Heat are better than we are but they have duplicate players. We have a prototypical SF, PF, and C. Maybe our supposed lack of depth will mean that guys will have some defined roles from the outset and get into a rhythm. Landry has been flying under the radar but I have faith in him. I even like Bibby for his handle, his understanding of offenses, and his three point shooting. The theme in every article of “we need help at guard” is premature. You can’t and shouldn’t have an all star at every position. Some people have to play roles. Tyson is special because he is elite at exactly what the team needs help in. In that way, I can’t think of a better player for this franchise except for Dwight Howard. Psyched for the game today!

    3. ess-dog

      To add from the previous thread, I really don’t think Outlaw is better than Balkman. It’s kind of a slap in the face for the Knicks to say they’re looking for another 3/4 for the bench when Balkman is exactly that. He must really have some issues, but he always seems pretty heads up when he’s on the court. It’s such a mystery to me.
      That being said, I’m fine with Outlaw for the MMLE I suppose. But if Walker can handle the scant minutes he’ll see at the 3, and if either Jordan or Jorts can show anything, then we should be ok. I’m surprised they’re not going after DeShawn Stevenson, but he will probably want more $ and more p.t. than he would get here. But I think Shump and Jorts (and yes, even Jeffrightened) will all contribute and we’ll be fine.

    4. d-mar

      @5 I heard about that from a Celtics fan friend, really sad. For all their success, the Celtics have had some tragic stories (Len Bias, Reggie Lewis)

      Normally, I wish nothing but the worst for the men in green, and that Perkins trade was highly questionable, but this just sucks for the poor kid.

    5. TDM

      d-mar: @5 I heard about that from a Celtics fan friend, really sad. For all their success, the Celtics have had some tragic stories (Len Bias, Reggie Lewis) Normally, I wish nothing but the worst for the men in green, and that Perkins trade was highly questionable, but this just sucks for the poor kid.

      Agreed. Terrible news. Putting salt in the wound is the fact that Perkins came into camp 30 lbs lighter and ready to dominate.

    6. jon abbey

      TDM: Agreed.Terrible news.Putting salt in the wound is the fact that Perkins came into camp 30 lbs lighter and ready to dominate.

      let’s see how that actually works out. much like Eddy Curry, I think his game may end up being hurt by losing weight.

    7. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

      He must really have some issues, but he always seems pretty heads up when he’s on the court. It’s such a mystery to me.

      Not for nothing, but he did have that one game where he messed around during garbage time and that sealed him to the bench for the rest of the season. I mean, he was more or less glued to the bench already at that point (despite being good the one time he was given playing time), but I suppose that might be an indication of what he is like at practice. A real shame, though, since he clearly has the physical skills.

    8. alsep73

      Yeah, Brian, those random three-point shots during garbage time occurred to me as well, especially at a time where Balkman probably could have gotten some playing time given the thin frontcourt. It was one thing when Isiah seemed to despise Balkman, but he’s had trouble getting burn on two different teams under a multitude of coaches. After a certain point, you begin to wonder if he’s one of those cases where the stats don’t tell the whole story. Physical talent? Yes. Head? Unclear.

    9. xduckshoex

      Game has started, I’m watching it on NBA TV.

      Defense looks okay so far. Melo was really active while trapping and almost forced a turnover, Amare has drawn a charge. Offensively the Knicks are moving the ball well, especially Anthony. He’s swinging it without hesitation unless it’s a called iso for him.

    10. llcoolbp

      2 questions:

      1)anyone find the live feed yet? chanfeed indeed does not work.

      2)I signed up for league pass broadband (I’m a transplanted NY’r living in New Orleans). I only have internet down here, I did not sign up for cable. When I try to launch league pass it asks for my cable provider and my cable account number. I simply provided my internet account number (which is through cox cable). It;s not working or allowing me to launch league pass. I just moved here from NYC. If I can’t watch knick games I think I’ll die. I have basically seen almost every knick game since 1987 (they actually used to be on free TV then). Anyone having the same problem as me, since I am new to league pass?

    11. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

      Yeah, Brian, those random three-point shots during garbage time occurred to me as well, especially at a time where Balkman probably could have gotten some playing time given the thin frontcourt. It was one thing when Isiah seemed to despise Balkman, but he’s had trouble getting burn on two different teams under a multitude of coaches. After a certain point, you begin to wonder if he’s one of those cases where the stats don’t tell the whole story. Physical talent? Yes. Head? Unclear.

      It’s really weird. It is one thing if teams just outright hated the guy. That would make some sense to me. Then he would be out of the league. But the Nuggets signed him to a long-term contract, for crying out loud! I mean, that could have been a GM/Coach disconnect like when Donnie Walsh was so gung ho on Anthony Randolph but did not seem to check to see if D’Antoni had any interest in him, but it is still weird. The one game D’Antoni let him play, he played well in exactly the role that the Knicks need help right now (back-up 4), so he must really be the worst practice guy in the history of the world.

    12. PC

      It’s preseason. But fields looks horrible on offense. He has picked his dribble up 4 times already. He’s scared to dribble at a defender.

    13. ess-dog

      PC:
      It’s preseason. But fields looks horrible on offense. He has picked his dribble up 4 times already. He’s scared to dribble at a defender.

      They all look bad on O but Fields especially. TD as expected looks nothing like a point guard. His D is ok. I’m suddenly very pro Baron Davis.

    14. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

      Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): It’s really weird. It is one thing if teams just outright hated the guy. That would make some sense to me. Then he would be out of the league. But the Nuggets signed him to a long-term contract, for crying out loud! I mean, that could have been a GM/Coach disconnect like when Donnie Walsh was so gung ho on Anthony Randolph but did not seem to check to see if D’Antoni had any interest in him, but it is still weird. The one game D’Antoni let him play, he played well in exactly the role that the Knicks need help right now (back-up 4), so he must really be the worst practice guy in the history of the world.

      I don’t know if you can blame Randolph’s lack of PT on a disconnect. From all reports, Randolph was just awful in training camp/practice. When he did get in the game, he looked terrible and I’m as high on AR as anyone

    15. PC

      U can tell defensively Shump is super athletic but he has happy feet. A crafty dribbled will make him look bad. He’ll fix that easily and be a solid defender.

    16. JK47

      Amar’e looks pretty healthy and athletic.

      Timing and rhythm looks off for everybody but it’s been a short preseason so that’s expected.

      Shumpy drains a 15-footer.

    17. ess-dog

      Already feel great about this year’s picks – good job Donnie!

      Still concerned that Bibby’s our best passer and wonder if Landry can really play the 2 in this new offense.

    18. Michael Cline

      My analysis so far: We look like we had a shortened preseason with a lot of new faces. To me, that explains almost everything I’m seeing.

      A few more nuggets:
      -The announcers just said Harrelson is 6’10″. I call bullshit.

      -Brook Lopez looks HORRIFIC. He is ball-hogging and throwing up ridiculous stuff.

      -Though he doesn’t look in-sync on offense, I actually think Fields looks like he’s in great shape. He seems to have a little more athleticism. Not sure if he is just fresh and I’m comparing him to last year’s end of season, but he looks like he’s gained a step.

    19. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

      I don’t know if you can blame Randolph’s lack of PT on a disconnect. From all reports, Randolph was just awful in training camp/practice. When he did get in the game, he looked terrible and I’m as high on AR as anyone

      The disconnect was over how they envisioned his role. He was awful playing a role he was not suited for. Donnie was into Randolph as a 4 and D’Antoni played him as a 3 (and then benched him when he did not fit that role). He went to Minnesota, where they also played him at the 3 and he was awful until Love got hurt and they played him at the 4 and he was good, just like he was good before the Knicks got him. The guy was and is a 4.

    20. PC

      It’s all mental with fields. He seems to still be a head case. He pumps fakes and looks so indecisive. Hope he snaps out of it and gets his head back on straight.

    21. llcoolbp

      Now that I’m comfortably watching the game, how ironic is it that I just movied to New Orleans and CP3 gets traded away. I was hoping to watch at least a couple of new orleans games. They are really cheap. Some seats going for 8 dollars. Definitely not MSG pricing.

    22. xduckshoex

      Shumpert’s jumper looks really good. I really think these Knicks are a PG and a backup big man away from being a title team.

    23. llcoolbp

      shump with a nice pass. It looks like the knicks are going to be hurting a bit from 3 this year with the current make up of their team.

    24. llcoolbp

      First half observations:

      1)TDDWTDD- little tentative, but that understandable.

      2)Melo- Knee looks fine

      3)STAT- bakc looks fine, still playing matador D

      4)Tyson- feeling his way

      5)Fields- Looking strong

      6)Shump- Has impressed with his poise thus far

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