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Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Dec 15 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks plan to sit injured Melo vs. Cavs (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:57:59 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony is lobbying to play on Saturday against the Cleveland Cavaliers but the Knicks intend to hold out the injured forward for at least one game, according to a team source.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Tame Grizzlies on Return to Denver (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:38:40 GMT)
    The Denver Nuggets took full advantage of a Memphis Grizzlies team lacking in confidence by grinding out a 99-94 home win to get back to .500 for the season on Friday.

  • [New York Times] Nets 107, Pistons 105 (2OT): Joe Johnson Rescues Ragged Nets by Beating Buzzer and Pistons (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:07:19 GMT)
    Joe Johnson scored 28 points, including the game-winning shot as time expired, in the Nets’ victory over the Pistons in double overtime.

  • [New York Times] McHale, Garnett Embrace After Rockets Top Celtics (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:59:44 GMT)
    Kevin Garnett, his eyes fixed low, walked over to Kevin McHale after the final buzzer and gave him a long hug.

  • [New York Times] A Fan’s Notes: A Changing of the Guard for Knicks and Lakers Fans (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:48:02 GMT)
    With the teams going in opposite directions, Lakers supporters are glum, and Knicks faithful are giddy.

  • [New York Times] Carmelo Anthony’s Ankle Sprain May Keep Him From Cavs Game (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:47:17 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony, who sprained his left ankle Thursday night after getting fouled by Dwight Howard, could miss the team’s next game, against the Cavaliers.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Lakers Find Way to Win as Wizards Fall to 3-17 (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:39:05 GMT)
    The Lakers beat the host Wizards, 102-96, on Friday to end a four-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Miller Leads Nuggets Past Grizzlies (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:35:40 GMT)
    Andre Miller scored each of his 18 points in the second half, including four free throws in the final 10.2 seconds, and the Denver Nuggets edged the Memphis Grizzlies 99-94 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Suns Slip Past Jazz 99-84 (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 05:54:03 GMT)
    Jared Dudley had a season-high 22 points to help lead the Phoenix Suns past the Utah Jazz 99-84 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Suns Slip Past Jazz 94-88 (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:56:42 GMT)
    Jared Dudley had a season-high 22 points to help lead the Phoenix Suns past the Utah Jazz 99-84 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Win 10th Straight, 113-103 Over Sacramento (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:54:04 GMT)
    There was no coasting to a 10-game winning streak for Kevin Durant and the Oklahoma City Thunder.

  • [New York Times] Timberwolves Down Hornets 113-102 (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:53:52 GMT)
    Nikola Pekovic scored a season-high 31 points, Andrei Kirilenko had 21 points and 11 rebounds, and the Minnesota Timberwolves won their third straight game, 113-102 over the New Orleans Hornets on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Nets Beat Pistons in 2 OTs on Johnson’s Jumper (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:14:52 GMT)
    Joe Johnson made a jumper from just inside the arc as time expired in the second overtime, giving the Brooklyn Nets a 107-105 victory over the Detroit Pistons on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] George, Hibbert, Hill Lead Pacers Past 76ers 95-85 (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:08:46 GMT)
    Paul George scored 28 points, Roy Hibbert played his best all-around game of the season and George Hill had a triple-double to lead the Indiana Pacers past the short-handed Philadelphia 76ers 95-85 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Ellis Leads Bucks Past Cavaliers 90-86 (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 03:14:47 GMT)
    Monta Ellis scored a season-high 33 points, Brandon Jennings added 16 and the Milwaukee Bucks defeated the Cleveland Cavaliers 90-86 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Kleiza Leads Raptors Over Mavericks (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:56:40 GMT)
    Linas Kleiza scored 12 of his 20 points in the fourth quarter, rookie Terrence Ross had 18 points and the Toronto Raptors beat the Dallas Mavericks 95-74 on Friday night, snapping a six-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Magic Hit 9 3-Pointers, Hold Off Warriors 99-85 (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:54:05 GMT)
    J.J. Redick had 16 points and Nikola Vucevic added 12 points and 17 rebounds to help the Orlando Magic hold off the Golden State Warriors 99-85 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Bryant’s 30 Points Help Lakers Edge Wizards 102-96 (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:44:59 GMT)
    Straining to work out the kinks in an offense coach Mike D’Antoni compared to dancing with two left feet, Kobe Bryant and the Los Angeles Lakers even struggled to put away the Washington Wizards.

  • [New York Times] D’Antoni, Now Lakers Coach, Returns to Face Knicks (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:28:46 GMT)
    Mike D’Antoni enjoyed a brief reunion with his wife and his son before his Lakers faced the Knicks at Madison Square Garden, where the reception was more hostile.

  • [New York Post] Record-setting 3-point pace has Knicks atop Eastern Conference (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:48:36 -0500)
    The number has escalated to 641 â?? the amount of times a Knicks player has launched a shot from beyond the 3-point line in 22 games.
    By season’s end, at that pace, the Knicks will shatter the NBA record â?? set by Mike D’Antoni’s Knicks in 2007-08 â?? for most…

  • [New York Post] Anthony expected to rest sprained ankle vs. Cavaliers (Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:01:19 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony, nursing a sprained left ankle, is listed as questionable for tonight’s game against Cleveland but is not expected to play as he tries to rests up for Monday when Jeremy Lin returns to the Garden.
    Anthony underwent treatment yesterday at the Knicks practice facility, though the team…

  • 16 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Dec 15 2012)

    1. Z-man

      Looks like lots of fun games and outcomes last night.

      Re: Denver, I do think their lack of home games has hurt them. Denver has the home advantage of altitude as well (anyone who has worked out in Denver after flying in knows this.) Not that they are contenders, but I do think they are a playoff-caliber team. Lawson really needs to get it going.

      I’m interested to see how we do against the Griz, Wolves and Nets at home, those are big, burly, physical teams, which I think will give us the most trouble this year.

    2. jon abbey

      flossy:
      Gallo’s off-the-backboard oop to himself last night was a delight.

      that was awesome, I went to check the play by play right after and it said “Danilo Gallinari dunks from 15 feet”. they changed it soon after sadly.

    3. d-mar

      Ended up watching the 4th quarter and 2 OT’s of Nets-Pistons game, which they were very lucky to win. I know some on this site are pretty high on the Nets and how tough they are, but I think they’re a very flawed team and their defense is way overrated. Monroe and Stuckey were scoring at will, and the Pistons grabbed 18 offensive rebounds. Plus the great Brook Lopez sat through both overtimes. Their offense in the OT”s consisted of giving the ball to Johnson and letting him go one on one, which thankfully for them, worked last night.

      Maybe they’ll end up proving me wrong, but I see them as a 44-46 win team at best this season.

    4. johnno

      d-mar: I know some on this site are pretty high on the Nets and how tough they are, but I think they’re a very flawed team and their defense is way overrated.

      One of the problems I have with people being so high on the Nets is that I think that Deron Williams might be the most overrated player in the NBA. He is very good but, when people call him a top 5 or top 10 player in the NBA, I wonder who the heck it is that they are watching. I watch a decent number of Nets games and he hardly ever stands out as the best player on the court. I know that, last year, some people were advocating trying to trade Melo for him. In my opinion, those two guys don’t even belong in the same conversation.

    5. Z-man

      To be fair, many (including many here) said the same thing about Melo, questioning whether he was even a top 25 player in the league. I, for one, think Melo is significantly better than Deron, but think that Deron is a top-shelf PG.

      Re: Lopez, I’d give him a couple of games back after a foot injury before passing judgment. He was generally playing very well and even rebounding and blocking shots before he got hurt. He averages 8 boards and 3 blocks per 36, and his mid-range game frees up Hump and Evans for offensive boards.

      The Nets starting lineup is big and physical, especially with Evans. Gerald Wallace is underrated, Joe Johnson is overrated but still has size and talent, and Blatche was an excellent bench find. At full strength, we are clearly the better team, but I don’t see us blowing them out, their size physicality will keep them in games. I see them as a 48-52 win team, especially with the weak EC if they stay healthy. However, any injury to Williams, Wallace or Lopez makes them very vulnerabe and dilutes their bench.

    6. lavor postell

      Z-man:

      The Nets starting lineup is big and physical, especially with Evans. Gerald Wallace is underrated, Joe Johnson is overrated but still has size and talent, and Blatche was an excellent bench find. At full strength, we are clearly the better team, but I don’t see us blowing them out, their size physicality will keep them in games. I see them as a 48-52 win team, especially with the weak EC if they stay healthy. However, any injury to Williams, Wallace or Lopez makes them very vulnerabe and dilutes their bench.

      I pretty much agree with this, but let’s be completely honest. Williams is playing like absolute horse shit right now. Last I checked he was shooting 38% from the field and 27% from 3. He shoots way too many pull up jumpers rather than use his size and strength to get to the rim. Melo played bad last year, but this was partially because of the point forward experiment and coming out of the lockout out of shape. Williams is shooting unconscionably poor for a point guard who is supposedly a solid perimeter shooter.

      I have always enjoyed Deron’s game and his distribution is still excellent, but he hasn’t been the superstar D-Will in about 2 years now. They have tied their horses to him and Joe Johnson, two guys who’s games seem to be in decline. Johnson has definitely been a net negative so far this season and is still on the books for 4 years, 83 mill, while Deron signed a 5-year, 100 mill contract.

      Deron has missed significant time the last 2 seasons and I believe he is supposed to be getting arthroscopic knee surgery after this year. The knee might be affecting his lift and explosiveness which might account for his especially poor form this year.

    7. Juany8

      Who would’ve thought that the Knicks would blow out the Lakers and Heat in the same week with Melo playing about 1 half in both games combined. I’m at the point that I’ll be seriously disappointed if the Knicks aren’t in the ECF against the Heat. The only team I fear is the Bulls with Rose healthy, but then Amar’e usually shits on Boozer when they both play.

    8. daJudge

      Hope it’s OK to change the subject, but I just saw some footage of Olajuwon working with Melo. He is still unbelievably smooth with that beautiful footwork. I can see Melo really benefitting from the tutelage. It also makes me even more optimistic about Amare’s return.

    9. Thomas B.

      Rubio set to return from ACL injury just 282 days after suffering the tear.

      So if Shumpert follows the same time table, we should see him February, 6 @Washington.

    10. EB

      daJudge: Who would’ve thought that the Knicks would blow out the Lakers and Heat in the same week with Melo playing about 1 half in both games combined. I’m at the point that I’ll be seriously disappointed if the Knicks aren’t in the ECF against the Heat. The only team I fear is the Bulls with Rose healthy, but then Amar’e usually shits on Boozer when they both play.

      Hakeem to give him a post game, Hopla to give him the three and Amare will fit in just fine!

    11. EB

      Are we gonna see Kurt Thomas as a 5 min starter again? Anyone know? I’d love to see Copeland get some more burn with the starting unit if Melo is out.

    12. ruruland

      lavor postell: two

      Melo didn’t come out of the lockout out of shape. While he wasn’t in as good of shape as he’s in now, he got out of shape after missing two weeks while totally off his feet after the hamstring injury against New Jersey.

      It was after that stretch that he couldn’t finish anything….

      It was the stretch after the Memphis game that was the worst of his career, rushing back too soon after the wrist injury.

      As for Deron Williams, his shooting efficiency decline coincided with putting on a Nets jersey.

      3309.68

    13. ruruland

      lavor postell: two

      Melo didn’t come out of the lockout out of shape. While he wasn’t in as good of shape as he’s in now, he got out of shape after missing two weeks while totally off his feet after the hamstring injury against New Jersey.

      It was after that stretch that he couldn’t finish anything….

      It was the stretch after the Memphis game that was the worst of his career, rushing back too soon after the wrist injury.

      As for Deron Williams, his shooting efficiency decline coincides perfectly with putting on a Nets jersey, not with his knee problems, though that’s probably contributing. He has a .513 TS% since leaving the flex offense, which opened up the middle of the floor for him and created a lot of easy baskets for him off the ball — he’s a good cutter and a great for the system.

      Now that he’s playing full-time traditional pnr point guard, his attempts at the basket are way down, as are his assisted looks.I would also venture to guess his jumpers are more contested than he was used to in Utah.

      Same thing happened to Boozer.

      Clearly an issue of leaving a scheme that fit him best: http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Deron%20Williams

    14. Z-man

      Doesn’t Deron also have a wrist issue?

      I wonder if Hakeem could still be effective in limited duty today, he looks pretty damn good.

    15. ptmilo

      I took a crude look at what the Knicks pro forma numbers might be if everyone was shooting their career 3p%. This had them making 36 fewer 3s on the year, mostly from Carmelo and Kidd, secondarily from Brewer and Felton. If you assume 23% OR% on threes * 1.1PPP you end up with 4.5 fewer PPG, net. This would drop PPP to about 108.3 and put them around 6th or 7th, near the Jazz. Overall, the Pyth W/L drops to 13-9, which is a lot closer to what I’d have expected from this team without Stoudemire, Shumpert and Camby. An argument could maybe be made that a slightly negative adjustment on defense would be appropriate, because 3pt misses tend to lead to high PPP transition points, but I don’t think it would be material.

      This could be meaningless. There might be no reason to expect blind reversion. A lot of people think the Knicks are getting much better 3-point shots this year thanks to Woodson’s system, Kidd’s influence and Carmelo’s selflessness, and also that at least one Knick (Kidd) might be a permanently better 3pt shooter than his 35% career average (though also his average for the past 2 seasons). It’s not as obvious to me from watching the games that this is true, but I’m not exactly charting shots. This 3p% reversion adjustment also puts Carmelo at something akin to a typical efficiency year for him, which is nothing to sneeze at given his usage rate.

      I’m actually optimistic that even though they might be playing over their heads offensively, they can improve from where they would be with worse 3pt shooting when they get their injured guys back. Felton and Wallace seem really ineffective offensively at this level of usage; that might decline with Amare back in the mix. And Shumpert minutes seem like pure upside to Brewer and Prigioni minutes. Plus I still haven’t given up on Camby.

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