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Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Aug 18 2012)

  • [New York Times] In Brooklyn, It’s All Nets (Sat, 18 Aug 2012 03:48:51 GMT)
    The Nets don’t officially step on the court in Brooklyn until the fall. But the team’s imprint is already evident, even ubiquitous, around the borough.

  • 23 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Aug 18 2012)

    1. ephus

      The Ibaka extension is for 4 years/$48 million:

      http://www.dailythunder.com/2012/08/serge-ibaka-signs-four-year-extension-with-the-thunder/

      That is roughly a 20% discount off of the max salary Ibaka could have received if he became a RFA at the end of the season. Ibaka gets security a year early, the Thunder get a reduced price.

      My guess is that the Thunder will try to lock up Harden as well. Eric Maynor is a wildcard (extend, let it ride to RFA or trade him now).

    2. sidestep

      There’s been a lot of discussion already about the new PGs, some buzz around Amare’s newly acquired post up moves, and anticipation of Melo’s current shooting touch and good conditioning coming off of the Olympics. What about SG — should JR Smith be starting instead of Ronnier Brewer?

    3. max fisher-cohen

      sidestep:
      There’s been a lot of discussion already about the new PGs, some buzz around Amare’s newly acquired post up moves, and anticipation of Melo’s current shooting touch and good conditioning coming off of the Olympics. What about SG — should JR Smith be starting instead of Ronnier Brewer?

      Novak fits more with the specific talents of the starters (lots of creators, few role players), but since the frontline is already stuffed, he can’t start. Nevertheless, the starting lineup needs shooters. Felton is a subpar shooter and Brewer is terrible. Melo seems to struggle spotting up, preferring to take a dribble/step into his threes, so he is not ideal for that role either.

      The problem then though is the bench has no creators, but if Woodson’s smart, he’ll just stagger Amar’e and Melo’s minutes so that one is always on the floor.

      The Knicks should essentially have two lineups. an Amar’e lineup and a Melo lineup:

      Amar’e lineup: Felton, Smith, Novak, Camby

      Melo lineup: Kidd, Brewer, Smith, Chandler

      Yeah, Smith can’t play 48 minutes, but he’s really our only backcourt shooter, so I expect him to play 36 mpg with Kidd and Felton playing together some, and then of course there’s our starting lineup, which is only necessary due to stars’ egos but will hopefully only play 10-15mpg together. A lot of the Knicks’ success is going to depend on whether Kidd can be a 36% plus 3 pt shooter, something he’s failed to do the last two seasons. If he can’t, it’s going to allow teams to double aggressively nearly all game. We saw early last season what happens to our offense in that situation.

    4. jon abbey

      max fisher-cohen:

      The Knicks should essentially have two lineups. an Amar’e lineup and a Melo lineup:

      Amar’e lineup: Felton, Smith, Novak, Camby

      Melo lineup: Kidd, Brewer, Smith, Chandler

      I definitely agree with the initial statement, but would maybe change up the personnel some (not including my man Shumpie for now):

      starters: Chandler, Melo, Novak, Brewer, Felton
      bench: Amare, Smith, Camby, Kidd

      Novak’s D on the first unit would be rough, but hopefully covered over at least somewhat by Chandler and Brewer.

    5. knicknyk

      jon abbey: I definitely agree with the initial statement, but would maybe change up the personnel some (not including my man Shumpie for now):

      starters: Chandler, Melo, Novak, Brewer, Felton
      bench: Amare, Smith, Camby, Kidd

      Novak’s D on the first unit would be rough, but hopefully covered over at least somewhat by Chandler and Brewer.

      Amare will never come off the bench if that is what you mean? Like I just don’t see that happening.

    6. sidestep

      If JR goes back to being instant offense 6th man, and reverts to his usual crossover then step back for fadeaway long 2 pointer, I’m going to shoot myself, even if more of those drop in, which is a low bar to surpass.
      Last year, my hope for JR was that he would find his shooting streak. This year, I just want to see him being more coachable under Woodson to override his knuckleheaded BB IQ.

    7. knicknyk

      jon abbey:
      yes, I get that, but it would make the Knicks a better team.

      Sure but it just won’t happen. A guy getting paid 100 million isn’t going to come off the bench for anybody doesn’t matter how much better it makes the team. I think Melo and Amare will start but Woodson will try and minimize how much time they spend on the floor together.

    8. ruruland

      sidestep:
      If JR goes back to being instant offense 6th man, and reverts to his usual crossover then step back for fadeaway long 2 pointer, I’m going to shoot myself, even if more of those drop in, which is a low bar to surpass.
      Last year, my hope for JR was that he would find his shooting streak. This year, I just want to see him being more coachable under Woodson to override his knuckleheaded BB IQ.

      this is a convenient media narrative that is far less accurate today than it was when it was created 5 6 years ago….

      If you primarily use JR as a ball handler as the Knicks did last year, you’re going to get “bad shots”

      If you allow Felton, Kidd and Melo to create for him a higher percentage of the time, he’s devastating. Do you realize that over his career he has the most 3pt makes per minute in NBA history?

      Increase his spot up situations– where he is elite- watch his 3pt percentage bounce back to .390 plus and his TS 580 plus.

      His creation abilities are auxiliary– he has skills there but he should be off the ball where he can also drive against rotation.

    9. ruruland

      I’m a big believer in starting and finishing with your five best–Kidd, JR, Melo, Amare, Chandler

      First sub? Felton for Kidd, Camby for Chandler, (Felton, Camby, amare, jr, Melo )

      Second sub: brewer for jr, ( Felton, Camby, brewer, amare, Novak) Melo for Novak

      Third sub: Kidd for Novak, Melo for amare
      (Melo, Kidd, Felton, brewer, Camby)
      Fourth sub: chandler for Brewer, Jr for Camby
      ( Melo, Kidd, chandler, jr, Felton)
      Fifth sub: Novak for Felton . Amare for JR

      Repeat each half

      Minutes: Amare 32 Chandler 30 Camby: 19 Melo 36, JR 28, Brewer 18, Felton 28, Kidd 29, Novak 20

    10. jon abbey

      knicknyk: A guy getting paid 100 million isn’t going to come off the bench for anybody doesn’t matter how much better it makes the team.

      well, that’s not why. Marbury got paid $20M per year to go sit at home and leave the team alone, it’s just a question of Woodson having the balls to do it. I agree that he won’t, though.

      the problem one runs into with all potential Knicks lineups is that so many of their players are very good on one end and below average on the other. we’d be so good at platoon basketball. :)

    11. ruruland

      I made a couple of mistakes. Knicks will need to start Felton in order to maximize Amar’e.

      All of Felton’s 28 minutes should come with Amar’e on the floor given how synergestic they are.

      The rest of the guys are interchangeable.

      I like about 10 minutes with both point guards in line-up given Kidd’s ability to play off-ball and reduce burden on Felton to take bad shots.

      I like 48 total minutes for Smith and Novak, If you take a look at their career averages, JR shoots a three every .202 minutes. In 28 minutes, he should shoot about 5.7 threes a game, making 2.109 per game (with a career average of 37%). Novak shoots a 3 every .243 minutes. He should shoot about 4.9 3’s a game, making about 2.12 (career .436 shooter).

      based on their career averages per minure and 3pt percentage, the two would combine to shoot 4.229/10.6 or roughly a combined 39.89% from 3.

      To give you a perspective of how devastating that is, consider that the Spurs were far and away the best 3pt shooting team in the league last year at .393 (on 21 attempts)

      Other top 5 teams were coming in at 370-375.

      The Knicks ranked 21st at .336

      If Melo, Felton, Kidd and Brewer (few attempts per minute) can come in at around 35-36% on another 10-12 attempts, the Knicks would likely move into the top 5 in 3pt %.

      I think Melo and Kidd can shoot above 37-38% combined, which means Felton would only need to shoot around 33-34 %,below his three year trend.

      Can Novak and Smith shoot better than 40% combined? absolutely.

      Would it be shocking if Melo/Kidd combined to shoot close to 40% together? Not likely, but wouldn’t shock me.

      Moving up that significantly in 3pt percentage, not including Melo or Amar’e improvements, would launch the Knicks into the top 7-10 range in scoring efficiency, if not higher.

    12. ruruland

      max fisher-cohen: Melo seems to struggle spotting up, preferring to take a dribble/step into his threes, so he is not ideal for

      too bad u missed Olympics… He was a great spot up shooter in 2010-11, that’s what he’s worked on this offseason

    13. jon abbey

      it should be noted that the 3 point line in the Olympics was closer in than the NBA one, I think 18 inches closer.

    14. ess-dog

      ruruland: too bad u missed Olympics… He was a great spot up shooter in 2010-11, that’s what he’s worked on this offseason

      Too bad he didn’t work on this under D’Antoni…

    15. knicknyk

      jon abbey: well, that’s not why. Marbury got paid $20M per year to go sit at home and leave the team alone, it’s just a question of Woodson having the balls to do it. I agree that he won’t, though.

      the problem one runs into with all potential Knicks lineups is that so many of their players are very good on one end and below average on the other. we’d be so good at platoon basketball. :)

      I agree. We do have some one dimensional players which annoys me to no end. Hopefully everything works out like Woodson and Grunwald intended.

    16. ruruland

      ess-dog: Too bad he didn’t work on this under D’Antoni…

      He worked on PnR ball handling as everyone agreed that would be his big role.

    17. ruruland

      jon abbey:
      it should be noted that the 3 point line in the Olympics was closer in than the NBA one, I think 18 inches closer.

      yep. he does not shoot the 21.6 inch jumper very well in the NBA historically. not like an 18 footer.

    18. max fisher-cohen

      Anthony has consistently killed it in the Olympics, not just this year, but 2008 as well. I’ll believe the improved spot ups when I see them across an entire NBA season. It would dramatically improve the Knicks’ hopes if Anthony had a career year from three, say, 5 3PAs/game with two makes (40%).

    19. ruruland

      max fisher-cohen:
      Anthony has consistently killed it in the Olympics, not just this year, but 2008 as well. I’ll believe the improved spot ups when I see them across an entire NBA season. It would dramatically improve the Knicks’ hopes if Anthony had a career year from three, say, 5 3PAs/game with two makes (40%).

      He shot 42 percent from field in 08 Olympics. He tore it up in 06 though…this olympIcs was most efficient from 3 by far…..to spare you long backstory…..

    20. Z-man

      max fisher-cohen: It would dramatically improve the Knicks’ hopes if Anthony had a career year from three, say, 5 3PAs/game with two makes (40%).
      max fisher-cohen

      That would be great, but 40% from 3 is a lot to ask from anybody other than the Novaks and Allens of the world. I’d be happy with .375 (3 of every 8, but not averaging 8 attempts a game, of course!)

    21. Z-man

      I would be even happier if Felton shoots 3’s at the same clip he did for the two year prior to his Blazers debacle: .385 and .353.

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