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Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Aug 17 2013)

  • [New York Post] Kidd gloves in Nets’ plans for Garnett (Sat, 17 Aug 2013 03:30:18 -0500)
    The preseason is more than a month away, but Jason Kidd is already thinking about the playoffs.
    The new Nets coach enters his first year on the sidelines with a championship contender whose success hinges on the health of the veteran core. Kidd already is considering minutes restrictions for his…

  • [New York Daily News] New Net Pierce continues to amp up hate toward Knicks (Sat, 17 Aug 2013 00:31:43 GMT)
    Paul Pierce poured more hot sauce on the Knicks-Nets rivalry. In two separate interviews last week, Brooklyn’s small forward – a longtime antagonist of the Knicks – raised the level again to hatred while declaring a hostile takeover.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Womens basketball: Mystics Put Away Liberty (Sat, 17 Aug 2013 02:23:07 GMT)
    The Washington Mystics beat the host Liberty, 66-57, despite 14 points by Katie Smith.    

  • [New York Times] Bewilderment in Wake of Arrest of A.A.U. Coach (Sat, 17 Aug 2013 00:39:13 GMT)
    The drug trafficking charges against Curtis Malone, the president and co-founder of D.C. Assault, have stunned those who worked with him and the A.A.U. program.    

  • 20 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Aug 17 2013)

    1. SeeWhyDee77

      I see what Pierce is tryina do. This is kinda reminiscent of the 90’s with that guy who wore #31 for Indy back then. U kno…the guy who shoved Greg Anthony down in front of the refs. Yup..I’m still swole bout that one lol. But seriously, I think we are gonna really enjoy this rivalry with Brooklyn now that KG and Pierce are there. Should be fun. I just hope it doesn’t spill into violence and other nonsense between fans..there are some out there who take the stuff too far. But I don’t see where all the doubt about the Knicks is comin from. We got younger and more talented for this season. Our role players are even better and more reliable. Did Chicago REALLY get that much better? I’m not sold on Dunleavy, and Rose changes the dynamic of that team. I still think we match up well with them. Indy had a real solid summer as did Brooklyn. But those moves really doesn’t make them a whole lot better. Indy got pieces that fit in that system and I do think that’s gonna make them really good. I am worried about Granger returning. He left the star and comes back as second fiddle. Brooklyn is loaded but can KG, Pierce and Terry accept being low on the totem pole? With a rookie coach that just retired from playing a few months earlier? The only thing anyone can really say with surety is the top of the East is gonna be really competitive. Get ready for some great basketball this season. I get the fact that Bargnani didn’t live up to his draft status especially the last fee seasons. But I think everyone is missing this one important fact: IN NY HE IS NOT COUNTED ON TO BE THE FRANCHISE CHANGER THAT A TOP PICK IS EXPECTED TO BE. He will now fill a role that he is more than capable of filling. He is now a 3rd option at best. With way less pressure.

    2. Unreason

      PP is playing his part a little ham-fistedly. I’d rather hate him without questioning whether my hatred has been manipulated by a hype machine. Still, if both the Nyets and the Knicks really good this year this will be a hugely entertaining rivalry.

    3. BigBlueAL

      After the way Shump humiliated Pierce in the playoffs I woludnt be so vocal right now if I was Pierce.

    4. Z-man

      I don’t think that Pierce and Garnett bring as much talent-wise as they do leadership-wise. The Nets were essentiall a soft team except for Evans. Garnett will make everyone give their all and then some, and Pierce is, healthy or not, old or not, a supremely confident player who can be a positive influence on Johnson and Williams.

      The issue with the Nets is durability, and that’s it. If Pierce, Garnett, Williams and especially Lopez stay healthy through playoff time, they will be a very tough out. However, they are dealing with the same st of if’s that we were dealing with when we were rolling early last season before injury and age started taking their toll on us. I fully expect them to be dealing with serious attrition as the season wears on. At full strength, though, they can beat anyone. There will be a lot of memorable games in the EC this year!

    5. lavor postell

      Z-man:
      I don’t think that Pierce and Garnett bring as much talent-wise as they do leadership-wise. The Nets were essentiall a soft team except for Evans. Garnett will make everyone give their all and then some, and Pierce is, healthy or not, old or not, a supremely confident player who can be a positive influence on Johnson and Williams.

      The other issue the Nets are going to face is that Joe Johnson isn’t particularly good at basketball but acts and gets paid like a top-5 player. Yes, he was hurt, but he just isn’t a particularly efficient scorer in any capacity and he generates his own points at the cost of slowing down the offense into his own personal isolation any time he touches it. People can bitch about Melo all they want, but JJ is one of the most brutally unentertaining and soul sucking players I’ve ever watched in my life.

      Also I think Garnett will benefit from being the 5th option in that starting lineup and Pierce probably will too, but Pierce could be well be on a sharp decline. Athletic wings that can get right up on him and crowd him cause him a ton of problems. Hell in the playoffs he was having trouble taking advantage of the Knicks’ constant switching which often left him one-on-one against Felton or Prigioni. This isn’t even getting into his embarassing attempts to score against Shumpert.

      Again this is a team with homecourt advantage who failed to beat a Bulls team that was missing Rose and Deng and had Noah hobbling around on one foot. So sure they improved, but I don’t see their improvement as one that elevates them without a doubt past the Knicks and the Pacers. The Knicks gets criticized ad nauseum for making trades all about the present with no regard to the future (fairly), but I’ve never seen a move like this. The Nets are going for it this year and if it doesn’t happen things in Brooklyn will get ugly.

    6. Z-man

      lavor postell: People can bitch about Melo all they want, but JJ is one of the most brutally unentertaining and soul sucking players I’ve ever watched in my life.

      lavor postell: Again this is a team with homecourt advantage who failed to beat a Bulls team that was missing Rose and Deng and had Noah hobbling around on one foot. So sure they improved, but I don’t see their improvement as one that elevates them without a doubt past the Knicks and the Pacers.

      While I agree, the point I was trying to make is that BBall IQ is very underrated, and the Nets got a HUGE infusion of that with KG and Pierce. Some of their smarts and savvy will rub off on Johnson, who, for all his faults, is very talented. DWill is also talented but selfish and dumb at times. Blatche has the same body type as KG and might benefit from practicing with him much like Amare did with Hakeem. Lopez will benefit from KG’s intensity and skill mentoring as well. Kirilenko and Evans already have high motors and can play starters minutes whenever Pierce and KG need rest. They will be a very formidable team this year.

      lavor postell: The Nets are going for it this year and if it doesn’t happen things in Brooklyn will get ugly.

      I agree with this 100%, but to be fair, Prokorov has done a masterful job of making his team highly competitive in a short time. Brooklyn will make a lot of noise this year and will probably be showcased on national TV at least as often as the Knicks.

    7. lavor postell

      Z-man:

      While I agree, the point I was trying to make is that BBall IQ is very underrated, and the Nets got a HUGE infusion of that with KG and Pierce. Some of their smarts and savvy will rub off on Johnson, who, for all his faults, is very talented. DWill is also talented but selfish and dumb at times. Blatche has the same body type as KG and might benefit from practicing with him much like Amare did with Hakeem. Lopez will benefit from KG’s intensity and skill mentoring as well. Kirilenko and Evans already have high motors and can play starters minutes whenever Pierce and KG need rest. They will be a very formidable team this year.

      I don’t necessarily disagree with any of this, but that’s a lot of egos for a rookie coach, who played in the league last year, to manage. Pierce Johnson, Williams and Lopez need the ball to be effective. Williams and JJ in particular need the ball to be effective and don’t particularly work well off of it. Williams’ production when at the 2 has been far worse than his output at the point.

      I don’t disagree that there are definite gains to be made from the acquisition of Pierce, KG and Terry (to a far less degree) I also don’t think they are any more of a challenge to Miami then the Knicks or Pacers. In fact while they will be a tough out for us and anybody in a playoff series, I think the Knicks, Bulls and Pacers all match up better with Miami because of age and athleticism than the Nets can.

    8. Z-man

      Not sure I agree. Lopez is better than any C the Heat have. KG and Blatche both match up with Bosh and Evans will kill him on the boards. Kirilenko and Pierce can take turns on LBJ and Pierce can play some 2 in a big lineup. Wade is diminished enough so that Johnson can hold his own. Deron is clearly superior to Chalmers and CJ is a good backup. I’m looking forward to seeing them play each other.

    9. lavor postell

      Z-man:
      Not sure I agree. Lopez is better than any C the Heat have. KG and Blatche both match up with Bosh and Evans will kill him on the boards. Kirilenko and Pierce can take turns on LBJ and Pierce can play some 2 in a big lineup. Wade is diminished enough so that Johnson can hold his own. Deron is clearly superior to Chalmers and CJ is a good backup. I’m looking forward to seeing them play each other.

      CJ’s gone. Evans is a rebound monster who was barely useful against the Bulls, a team you would envision him being extremely useful against. Age and a lack of athleticism, especially at the wing spots are a death sentence against Miami’s current incarnation. Whatever it’s August and i’m going stir crazy just waiting to find out answers to all the questions we all have around the league, especially our own Knicks.

    10. lavor postell

      http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/229419/30-Team-Offseason-Rundown

      New York Knicks: Joining their Big Apple compatriots in doubling down on the next few seasons, the Knicks gave up a 2016 first round pick to bring in the enigmatic Andrea Bargnani. While Il Mago has fascinating offensive potential with the team, New York moved even further away from the defensive competence necessary to be relevant in the Eastern Conference. Choosing to retain Pablo Prigioni over Chris Copeland makes little sense considering the available of backup level PG’s (especially those with limited upside) compared to Copeland’s defense and potential to improve. While they were able to take potentially useful fliers on Beno Udrih and Metta World Peace, they also gave JR Smith an ill-advised three-year contract.

      Probably the stupidest criticism of the Knicks’ offseason I’ve seen so far. Makes the case we need to focus more on defense by claiming we failed to see Copeland’s “defense and potential to improve”. It’s shit like this that makes me impatient for the season to start.

    11. Z-man

      Well, since this a-hole touts Copeland’s defense (non-existent) and potential to improve (he’s 30) he is obviously either an anti-knicks troll or an idiot.

    12. Jack Bauer

      Z-man:
      Well, since this a-hole touts Copeland’s defense (non-existent) and potential to improve (he’s 30) he is obviously either an anti-knicks troll or an idiot.

      Or Both……….

    13. Brian Cronin

      That article was not as dumb as the other one (how could it be? Citing cope’s defense? Fuck the heck?) but it didn’t really have much of a point, either.

      The Knicks uncharacteristically found bargains? They are completely capped out! They can’t do anything but sign people to small deals!

      Plus Bargnani doesn’t fit into his thesis at all, so he just tries to sneak it in there at the end and pretend like it makes sense. “And Bargnani is expensive, so he is not a bargain but…uhmm…he’s better than the guys he’s replacing and his contract expires in two years so he’s a bargain. Shut up!” Why not just say “Besides Andrea Bargnani, the Knicks offseason was surprisingly filled with bargain deals?” Why force Bargs in where it didn’t fit?

    14. Z-man

      Anagram: and rare bargain

      Brian Cronin:
      That article was not as dumb as the other one (how could it be? Citing cope’s defense? Fuck the heck?) but it didn’t really have much of a point, either.

      The Knicks uncharacteristically found bargains? They are completely capped out! They can’t do anything but sign people to small deals!

      Plus Bargnani doesn’t fit into his thesis at all, so he just tries to sneak it in there at the end and pretend like it makes sense. “And Bargnani is expensive, so he is not a bargain but…uhmm…he’s better than the guys he’s replacing and his contract expires in two years so he’s a bargain. Shut up!” Why not just say “Besides Andrea Bargnani, the Knicks offseason was surprisingly filled with bargain deals?” Why force Bargs in where it didn’t fit?

    15. Brian Cronin

      Anagram: and rare bargain

      Ha! Yes! He should have just gone with that to make it fit. “You can’t spell Bargnani without bargain!”

    16. Z-man

      Well, Carmelo Anthony referred to the Bargnani trade as a “steal.” Let’s hope we all are saying that in a few months.

    17. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Z-man: While I agree, the point I was trying to make is that BBall IQ is very underrated, and the Nets got a HUGE infusion of that with KG and Pierce.

      Basketball IQ is a real thing (you could also call it spatial awareness and situational decision-making), but I tend to believe that it does show up in the box score. Chris Paul is one of the best PG to ever play the game, and it sure as hell isn’t because he’s a LeBron-like freak. He’s crazy athletic, sure, but so much of his efficiency is having absolute perfect timing. Watching him score in the paint is just unfair. The guy’s 6’1″ and he’s releasing the ball out of reach of guys a foot taller than him.

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