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Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Aug 04 2012)

  • [New York Times] Spike Lee to Stick With His Knicks (Sat, 04 Aug 2012 04:54:05 GMT)
    The filmmaker, who made the Brooklyn of his childhood a living, breathing character in six movies over 26 years, says he cannot be swayed to root for the Brooklyn Nets.

  • [New York Times] Basketball: U.S. Women Tear Up Czechs to Stay Perfect (Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:17:14 GMT)
    The Czech Republic made a perfect start but the U.S. women’s basketball team enjoyed the happier ending as they extended their Olympic winning streak to 37 games with an 88-61 victory in Group A action on Friday.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Knicks Sign J. R. Smith’s Brother (Sat, 04 Aug 2012 02:04:09 GMT)
    Chris Smith, a 6-foot-2 guard, led Louisville to the Final Four and played on the Knicks’ summer league team in Las Vegas.

  • 35 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Aug 04 2012)

    1. ruruland

      Here are a few quick highlights from Ronnie Brewer’s interview Thursday on “The Stephen A. Smith”

      SMALL LINEUP: Mike Woodson recently talked lineup combinations with Brewer. Brewer said that one combination the coach mentioned had J.R. Smith at shooting guard, himself at small forward and Carmelo Anthony at power forward. In this lineup, Brewer said, either Tyson Chandler or Amare Stoudemire would play center.

      Anthony, you’ll remember, was efficient and effective at power forward late last season when Stoudemire was out with a back injury.

      So this lineup has the potential to put up points. As Brewer points out, it could be solid in transition.

      With either Chandler or Stoudemire at center, it’s a fairly quick five-man unit and four out of its five players can handle the ball, which would be useful in transition after a defensive stop.

      MOVING WITHOUT THE BALL: In addition to playing the role of perimeter stopper for the Knicks, Brewer believes he can carve out a valuable role on offense in Woodson’s squad.

      He hopes to use the attention paid to Anthony and Stoudemire to his advantage, finding seams in the defense to exploit for easy baskets.

      “They’re (Anthony and Stoudemire) going to get a lot of attention when they iso, a lot of double teams. So you have to be able to play without the basketball and kind of be a glue guy and a good role (player) with this team,” Brewer said.

      ON PLAYING WITH CARMELO: Brewer also believes he can help Anthony, who has a widley-held reputation as a ball-stopper. He told Smith and Ryan Ruocco that one key to playing with Anthony is to avoid standing around and watching like you’re at the ‘theater.’

      “You have to be able to move without the basketball, get in the open spots and make the game easier for him,” Brewer said. “Instead of him having to take tough shots, you penetrate, you get him t

    2. massive

      ruruland:
      Somehow Carmelo Anthony leads Team USA in scoring and scoring efficiency.

      Really? He’s been more efficient than KD? I guess 37 points in 14 minutes can do that for you. He’s been playing great though, there’s no denying that.

    3. ruruland

      All games including tour (9 total)

      Melo: 53/91 22/42 (3pters) 148 points 163 minutes

      Durant: 54/93 28/52 (3pters) 153 points 224 minutes

      Melo has scored 5 less points in 61 fewer minutes and roughly the same efficiency. He also has a higher rebound rate.

      Melo’s been much more efficient since the real games started, and has outplayed Durant in the two biggest games (Lithuania and the Spain tour game)

    4. hoolahoop

      flossy:
      “Lin came and we started winning games and then we started losing games, and they could only point to one thing, which is me, the leader of the team,” Anthony said. “They’re not going to point to Amar’e. They’re not going to point to (guard) Iman Shumpert. They’re going to point to me. I accept that. It doesn’t bother me.”

      Haha, how much must Amar’e hate Carmelo?Can you imagine being adored as the best player to suit up for the Knicks since Ewing… for 4 months, before Chubby Chucker shows up and initiates a hostile takeover of the franchise?Now Melo’s talking about Amar’e like he’s a rookie, not a 6-time All Star, or, you know, the co-captain of the team. I guess Stat has got a max deal to keep him warm at night, but damn.I’d be seething.

      I was thinking the same thing. That was disrespectful. Melo’s is anything but a leader.

    5. hoolahoop

      ruruland: Of course. but he’s a guy who wants to play meaningful minutes.

      he’s one of the great playoff defenders because he’s allowed to play physically and of course he still has great lateral quickness. He’s incredibly strong for his size and is legitimately one of the few crazy tough guys in the league.

      KG is afraid of him, fwiw. He also broke Nene’s nose the first day of training camp after coming over in the NJ trade in 2004 .

      He’s not Charles Oakley, but he brings a lot to a team emotionally and with his still fantastic man defense.He’s smart on both ends.

      I’m frankly shocked he hasn’t been picked up yet.

      I think teams think his legs are too brittle for the role and price tag he wants.

    6. hoolahoop

      flossy: Right, except for the part where Amar’e was being criticized constantly last season.But you miss the point, of course.It’s about how quickly this has gone from “Amar’e’s team” to “Stat and Melo” to “Carmelo Anthony and friends.”. Given how every single person who was here when he signed including the coach has been replaced in the space of two years, I think it’s clear Amar’e never really had a chance.But it still must be shitty to get dissed by your friend (?) and co-captain.I guess it helps (?) that Melo says something retarded to the media on what seems like a daily basis, so maybe everyone has learned not to take it personally.

      It sure doesn’t do much for fostering team spirit and good morale. But, then again, it seems to me that melo would rather score 40 and lose than 4 and win.

    7. hoolahoop

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      I mean, I agree to a certain point, Z-man.

      I just think that the Knicks would be in better shape had they taken a Moneyball approach: shedding salary en masse, stockpiling picks and buying late first rounders and second rounders whenever possible, and then targeting the Leonards and Denmons and Farieds whenever possible. Then, sign vets to one-year deals at an inflated rate (you have to reach the cap minimum anyway, so you’re either wasting the money on some shitty expiring vet or a decent one at a slightly inflated price) and wait for a 40-win core that you can add one or two prized max FAs to.

      I really would be happier with $15M committed to Faried, Leonard, Lawson, Denmon, Crowder, Jones, or any of those “high projected” late first-round-or-second-round picks because of the potential for striking gold. Signing second rounders to 4-year deals is also a hugely profitable investment.

      Instead of worrying about usage rate, I’d say to try to build a team where the ball gets spread around instead of aiming for one player who’s going to “reduce” the burden.

      There are many times when I feel that these high-volume scorers are forcing tough shots, rather than “being forced” to take them due to the absence of a play-oriented or motion-oriented shot. I don’t think there’s a shortage of plays in which a player like Fields can make a scoring attempt. I think that’s a myth.

      Baffling that a multi-billion dollar organization can’t figure this out.

    8. hoolahoop

      ruruland: “They’re (Anthony and Stoudemire) going to get a lot of attention when they iso, a lot of double teams. So you have to be able to play without the basketball and kind of be a glue guy and a good role (player) with this team,” Brewer said.

      ON PLAYING WITH CARMELO: Brewer also believes he can help Anthony, who has a widley-held reputation as a ball-stopper. He told Smith and Ryan Ruocco that one key to playing with Anthony is to avoid standing around and watching like you’re at the ‘theater.’

      “You have to be able to move without the basketball, get in the open spots and make the game easier for him,” Brewer said. “Instead of him having to take tough shots, you penetrate, you get him t

      Wait till Brewer makes half a dozen cuts for wide open layups, but doesn’t get the ball from melo. Then, he’ll understand why everyone is standing around.

    9. ephus

      hoolahoop: Wait till Brewer makes half a dozen cuts for wide open layups, but doesn’t get the ball from melo. Then, he’ll understand why everyone is standing around.

      Really? I thought I was pretty well versed on ‘Melo’s shortcomings, but I never recall seeing him hold the ball and ignoring someone who was cutting free to the basket.

    10. massive

      Same here. Carmelo Anthony makes some really good passes to guys flashing towards the rim, from what I’ve seen.

    11. Unreason

      ruruland: …. He’s incredibly strong for his size and is legitimately one of the few crazy tough guys in the league…. he brings a lot to a team emotionally ….He’s smart on both ends.

      I’m not a big fan of his but that matches my impression of him and those are the things I like best about him. Plus he and other key guys (Kidd, Melo, and JR and Felton) already know each other’s tendencies, so the unit’s he’d be on might gel pretty quickly.
      Signing him would also ramp up the bully ball possibilities of several 5-combo units and make the lane a less appealing option for some of the league’s meeker souls.

      ruruland: Of course. but he’s a guy who wants to play meaningful minutes.

      I know. And he’d likely deserve more minutes than he’d get on the Knicks. But, as with many of the guys on this year’s roster, he’d be wise to start taking it a bit easier, I think. The prospects for Knick ligaments and vertebrae this season reminds me of the city’s utilities infrastructure; just waiting for the next water main to blow. The versatility and depth of this roster, with or without Martin, could be used to help offset its age a bit. If Woodson gave 11 guys significant minutes most nights, he could lower the injury risk and keep fresher legs with a better chance of keeping up with younger squads on the floor most of the game.

    12. ruruland

      hoolahoop: Wait till Brewer makes half a dozen cuts for wide open layups, but doesn’t get the ball from melo. Then, he’ll understand why everyone is standing around.

      He’s played against Melo quite a few times. I would guess he understands his passing tendencies better than “hoolahoop” on the Knickerblogger message board.

    13. er

      yes idiot, like the Charlotte game last year when he was like 1-17 and was damn happy they got the W yes exactly

      hoolahoop: It sure doesn’t do much for fostering team spirit and good morale. But, then again, it seems to me that melo would rather score 40 and lose than 4 and win.

    14. er

      leave him alone hes a butt hurt gallo fan

      ruruland: He’s played against Melo quite a few times. I would guess he understands his passing tendencies better than “hoolahoop” on the Knickerblogger message board.

    15. ruruland

      Unreason:
      I know. And he’d likely deserve more minutes than he’d get on the Knicks. But, as with many of the guys on this year’s roster, he’d be wise to start taking it a bit easier, I think. The versatility and depth of this roster, with or without Martin, could be used to help offset its age a bit. If Woodson gave 11 guys significant minutes most nights, he could lower the injury risk and keep fresher legs with a better chance of keeping up with younger squads on the floor most of the game.

      Martin remains an excellent pnr (and team) defender (elite on Synergy last three years) and in the upper half in isos and post-ups. Put him in a situation where he has some fouls to use can err on the side of super physical and he’s a fantastic defender.

      Let’s remember that Martin was clearly the leader of the post-Melo/Billups Nuggets and has raised his level offensively when key players were out throughout his career. He was the second best player on an ECF championship team and had a .210 WS48 on 583 TS on the NEts 2004 playoff run.

      I think you’re spot on about depth. Camby is a guy who is better served playing 60 or so games and will probably voluntarily miss that many games anyhow.

      I’d prefer to see Amar’e and Chandler take a similar approach as well, given their injury histories.

      All of that should open the door for a guy like K-Mart to fill in for 50 or so games.

      He’s similarly versatile and smart defensively like Chandler without the rim protection or rebounding. And has a history of not just slowing down Bosh but getting in his head. Chandler had issues with Bosh last season.

      Also, let’s remember that Martin was quite happy last season coming off the bench.

      Hard to think of a better fit.

    16. Unreason

      ruruland: Martin remains an excellent pnr(and team) defender (elite on Synergy last three years) and in the upper half in isos and post-ups. Put him in a situation where he has some fouls to use can err on the side of super physical and he’s a fantastic defender.

      Let’s remember that Martin was clearly the leader of the post-Melo/Billups Nuggets and has raised his level offensively when key players were out throughout his career. He was the second best player on an ECF championship team and had a .210 WS48 on 583 TS on the NEts 2004 playoff run.

      I think you’re spot on about depth. Camby is a guy who is better served playing 60 or so games and will probably voluntarily miss that many games anyhow.

      I’d prefer to see Amar’e and Chandler take a similar approach as well, given their injury histories.

      All of that should open the door for a guy like K-Mart to fill in for 50 or so games.

      He’s similarly versatile and smart defensively like Chandler without the rim protection or rebounding. And has a history of not just slowing down Bosh but getting in his head. Chandler had issues with Bosh last season.

      Also, let’s remember that Martin was quite happy last season coming off the bench.

      Hard to think of a better fit.

      Didn’t know a fair amount of that. My reservations about him are purely as a fan who’s used to rooting against him. It would clearly be a steal if he could be signed for the vets min. It would take a little getting used to is all.

    17. massive

      Well, I’m not sure how relevant his 04 season is to now (some of us here were hoping for Baron Davis to play to his 07 form…..didn’t happen). FWIW, WS/48 and WP/48 both don’t like him. But he’s still got his athleticism and energy, so I guess he would be a good back up 4.

    18. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I like how ruruland cites statistics from 2004 to make a point about a guy he wants on the Knicks in 2012-13.

      Also, the whole “has raised his level offensively when key players were out throughout his career” sounds like some anecdotal bullshit. I think that you THINK he has raised his “level” when others are out, but that seems to run contrarily to your opinion about “good” players helping others to shoot more efficiently. If he’s getting better when good players are out, what does that say about your hypothesis?

    19. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      massive:
      Well, I’m not sure how relevant his 04 season is to now (some of us here were hoping for Baron Davis to play to his 07 form…..didn’t happen). FWIW, WS/48 and WP/48 both don’t like him. But he’s still got his athleticism and energy, so I guess he would be a good back up 4.

      If he had his athleticism, wouldn’t he be as good as he was in the mid-00s?

    20. massive

      That’s the thing;,he wasn’t very good in the mid 00s. Of course he’s not the same athlete, but he still has a good amount of lift left in his knees.

    21. ruruland

      massive:
      Well, I’m not sure how relevant his 04 season is to now (some of us here were hoping for Baron Davis to play to his 07 form…..didn’t happen). FWIW, WS/48 and WP/48 both don’t like him. But he’s still got his athleticism and energy, so I guess he would be a good back up 4.

      Understand all of that. Was simply pionting out that he was a pretty damn good player in his prime prior to the knee tendinitis he suffered in his first year and denver (leading tohis first micro-fracture surgery). It’s not the athleticism and energy as much as the smarts and toughness that I’d like.

    22. hoolahoop

      massive:
      hoolahoop has become more of a troll than anything else.

      I’m not sure what a troll is, but if it means constantly correcting false praise, over rating and excessive adulation of “melo the superstar” that’s what I am.

    23. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      hoolahoop: I’m not sure what a troll is, but if it means constantly correcting false praise, over rating and excessive adulation of“melo the superstar” that’s what I am.

      Bless you, sir.

    24. massive

      hoolahoop: I’m not sure what a troll is, but if it means constantly correcting false praise, over rating and excessive adulation of“melo the superstar” that’s what I am.

      No, because THCJ does that. What makes you a troll is that you usually come here to disagree (and get people to react to what appears as ignorance) and you never really contribute anything to a discussion but your animosity for Carmelo Anthony. I can ask THCJ about WP/48 and read something insightful.

      You said that you want to be a Nets fan) and that Carmelo is helping you let go of the Knicks), as if they’re doing any better than us. You hate Carmelo Anthony’s contract? How about the 80 or so million dollars they owe Joe Johnson. The $40 million they owe Gerald Wallace, or the 5 year max deal they just gave D-Will who came off his worst year and a half since his rookie season. (check BK ref and thenbageek.com if you don’t believe me).

      Again, you’re a troll according to this definition (per urban dictionary):

      One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

      Your posts are definitely more argumentative and disruptive than anything else.

    25. Z-man

      massive: No, because THCJ does that. What makes you a troll is that you usually come here to disagree (and get people to react to what appears as ignorance) and you never really contribute anything to a discussion but your animosity for Carmelo Anthony. I can ask THCJ about WP/48 and read something insightful.You said that you want to be a Nets fan) and that Carmelo is helping you let go of the Knicks), as if they’re doing any better than us. You hate Carmelo Anthony’s contract? How about the 80 or so million dollars they owe Joe Johnson. The $40 million they owe Gerald Wallace, or the 5 year max deal they just gave D-Will who came off his worst year and a half since his rookie season. (check BK ref and thenbageek.com if you don’t believe me).Again, you’re a troll according to this definition (per urban dictionary):One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.Your posts are definitely more argumentative and disruptive than anything else.

      Hear! Hear!

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