Juany8:
All these team arguments against Melo fall apart when you realize Wade was part of some terrible offenses before Lebron and Bosh came. So do all the arguments about his playoff losses when you consider that he’s won one more series than Chris Paul and one of the series Melo won included absolutely destroying Chris Paul’s Hornets. Aren’t superstars supposed to prevent their teams from losing by 50 points in the playoffs? Aren’t they supposed to beat crappy Hawks teams in the east? Does anyone think Chris Paul or Dwayne Wade suck?

ok, now this is absurd.

1 superstar and 4 scrubs isn’t even a playoff team, nobody said that s true superstar should make a winning team all by himself.

the point is, Carmelo has played on some very good teams in his career, while Wade has played on exactly 2 good teams, the Heat that won a NBA TITLE and the other that already went to the finals and seems poised to do it again.

does Wade’s career production look like Carmelo’s?

and on Chris Paul, have you seen the teams he has played on? Morris Peterson or Rasual Butler started on those teams, for god’s sake.

2FOR18: I finally have some time to come on here and the first freaking thread I click on has half the posts written by you, saying the same freaking thing you always say.
I enjoy reading the writers on here so I tried to just skip past your posts but for Christ’s sake half this thread is you posting the same old melo stuff. What kind of weirdo freak spends his whole day posting about Melo?

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Hell going back to those Nuggets teams, the 2012 Nuggets also replaced Chauncey, JR, Kenyon Martin, and Nene without losing a beat, so it’s hard to even compare the teams considering that pretty much that everyone that played with Melo was gone. Before Melo left the Nuggets last year, they were the best offense in the NBA if I’m remembering correctly (they were pretty damn good either way) and the Nuggets were in better playoff position before the Melo trade (which included a bunch of injuries to the Nuggets) than they are now. But either way, replacing even someone as good as Dwayne Wade with 3 above average players is going to result in only a modest change in win totals. Even Jordan’s Bulls only dropped 2 games after Jordan left for baseball.

2012 Denver Nuggets points per 100 = 108.3
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2012 League Average points per 100 = 104.7
= +3.6

2010 Denver Nuggets points per 100 = 111.8
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2010 League Average points per 100 = 107.6
= + 4.2

So relative to league average, the best offensive team Melo played on has a .6 points per 100 possession advantage on offense on this year’s squad, which played without Nene and Gallo for most of the season.

As for Lebron. Players do improve when they come in the league. Especially the guys who jump straight from high school. There is no question his numbers dipped the first year in Miami, although he still posted the highest WS/48 in the NBA. But this year he is right back playing like he did in his final year in Cleveland.

Alright, bed…

ruruland:

Here’s a challenge for you, Owen. Find me a really high usage, high efficiency player that played alongside extremely inefficient teammates.

Kevin Love has a TS% of .568 (which would match Melo’s career high) with a team whose perimeter play was every bit as inefficient as the Knicks this year- Rubio .476, Derrick Williams .503, Beasley .507, Barrea .502, Wes Johnson .470. Only Ridnour is better than league average (barely) at .530. I’d agree that Melo sure wasn’t helped by Douglas, Shump, and Fields, (nor was he to blame to blame for their struggles) but I think his .500 TS% had more to do with his health than anything else.

How many levels below Steve Nash is Melo as an offensive player? Just one?