“His Post-up defense was an incredible 0.52 PPP, good for 2nd in the NBA, although he is quite a bit bigger than much of his competition at the 3-spot.”

Right, so that doesn’t really count? Much of the post defense he played was at the 4 against “true” power forwards.
Why should I trust this guy when he says this:

“and I’d bet without looking that he leaks out in transition often on said Spot-ups.”

I’ve already gone through all of his spot-ups, this is not true.

More snooze analysis, number regurgitating.

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2012/09/25/synergy-sessions-debut-edition/

“2009-10 Carmelo saw him ranked a lowly 398th overall on defense, giving up 1.03 PPP in Iso situations, 0.98 in Post-Up, and 1.01 on Spot-ups, his three most common defensive stances. Remember, there’s only about 400-450 active NBA players at a given time, so that’s really bad. 2010-11 saw a moderate improvement to 331st overall, but he was still giving up nearly 1.00 PPP in most defensive situations. As noted by both Knicks fans and Clark, Melo improved — for him — fairly dramatically on defense last season for New York, giving up 0.84 PPP overall, good for a 240 ranking. His Post-up defense was an incredible 0.52 PPP, good for 2nd in the NBA, although he is quite a bit bigger than much of his competition at the 3-spot. He showed little interest for chasing his man, however, posting a dismal 1.13 PPP on D in Spot-up situations, ranked 344th. It’s pretty clear Melo still only plays D when it suits him, and I’d bet without looking that he leaks out in transition often on said Spot-ups.”

max fisher-cohen: In regard to Irving, teenagers who are headed towards being stars generally break out big time their second seasons.

Tyreke Evans?

er:
i dont wanna sound like a dick but your list isnt good by your own standards.

Love in your top 5 is unfathomable, the guy puts up great stats but cant guard a lick and hasnt even SNIFFED the playoffs yet.

its been tried with pau in his prime and was a miserable failure

im not even gonna address harden after the choke job in the finals

marc gasol disapeers for chunks at a time

What I meant about playoff experience/potential playoff choking was that I WASN’T counting that. I guess I could have said my goal was best regular season record, but I didn’t want to take points off for older players who conserve energy in the regular season.

In regard to Irving, teenagers who are headed towards being stars generally break out big time their second seasons.

LBJ nearly tripled his WS/48 from his first to second season.
Kevin Durant MORE than tripled his.
Kobe doubled his.
McGrady nearly doubled his.

big men like KG and Howard were a little slower to progress, but Irving’s game is already butter. Now that he has a season under his belt, I’m thinking he will rock it big time.

W/r/t Ginobili, he’s injury prone, aging, and can only play limited minutes. If was guaranteed no injuries, I’d take him over Harden, but otherwise the risk is too great.

yellowboy90:
Is Noah really worse than Chandler offensively or Defensively? I guess Chandler can handle big men a little better but Noah can trap smaller positions better and actually guard any position fairly well.

How can Chandler be better at something he never does? He never takes a shot outside the paint. At least Noah has a little low post movement and a ugly shot that he actually takes.

Chandler isn’t better outside the paint, but Noah gets left open to shoot so it’s not exactly a shot the offense wants him to take. He’s also significantly worse as a pick and roll partner, and at offensive putbacks, which is the only real way for them to get shots. As far as trapping goes, Chandler was just the second best player on a championship team 2 years ago because he was able to stifle the pick and roll attacks of Westbrook and Lebron (Wade still went off lol) Noah might be a slight bit better as a pick and roll defender, but Chandler is worlds better as a shot blocker and post defender, Noah is going to get killed by Bynum if the Sixers meet the Bulls.

How can Chandler be better at something he never does? He never takes a shot outside the paint. At least Noah has a little low post movement and a ugly shot that he actually takes.

er:
i dont wanna sound like a dick but your list isnt good by your own standards.

Love in your top 5 is unfathomable, the guy puts up great stats but cant guard a lick and hasnt even SNIFFED the playoffs yet.

its been tried with pau in his prime and was a miserable failure

im not even gonna address harden after the choke job in the finals

marc gasol disapeers for chunks at a time

Not to mention Irving in the top 10 after his rookie season. If you had said you were ranking players for the next 3 years, your list makes a lot of sense, but wanting Harden over Ginobli or the defensively limited Greg Monroe over Tyson Chandler? Plus how in the world is Noah so high when he’s effectively a poor man’s version of Tyson Chandler? He’s worse defensively (though not by much) and clearly worse offensively (neither can consistently make a basket outside the paint, Chandler is just MUCH better at it)

Love in your top 5 is unfathomable, the guy puts up great stats but cant guard a lick and hasnt even SNIFFED the playoffs yet.

its been tried with pau in his prime and was a miserable failure

im not even gonna address harden after the choke job in the finals

marc gasol disapeers for chunks at a time

Westbrook’s halo effect comes from the fact that his team is amazing, and he scores a lot of points.

If the criteria is I get the player for 1 year, and I can then build a team around him, that he won’t struggle due to inexperience in the playoffs, and I’m in championship or die mode, my top 25 would go something like this:

1. James
2. Paul
3. Durant
4. Howard
5. Love
6. Pau Gasol
7. Rose (assuming he returns to pre-injury level)
8. Rondo
9. Harden
10. Irving (because he was freakin’ 19 years old last year and still was well above average. Dwight Howard is the only teenager to have ever had that good a rookie year. I predict a WS/48 > .18 this season)
11. Marc Gasol
12. Pierce
13. Garnett
14. Noah
15. Wade (at 31, given his reckless style of play and inability to shoot, he’s bound to lose a step or have lots of injury problems)
16. Parker
17. Anthony
18. Greg Monroe (for similar reasons to Irving. This guy was 21 last year and was still one of the top big men in the league. He’ll be even better next year.)
19. Tyson Chandler
20. Deron Williams (despite 1 1/2 mediocre seasons, he arguably the most important position in today’s NBA and has shown he can be the top 3-4 in the league at that position)
21. Ibaka
22. Aldridge
23. Ginobili
24. Bosh
25. Duncan

Westbrook comes somewhere in the next 5, but he’s just too unpredictable. While his defense and strength on the break can carry a team, his scoring mentality can also put it in a hole. I feel like if you have Westbrook on your team, you live and die by his success.